From "Lindsay Clancy jury unable to reach unanimous verdict/Jurors were ordered to continue deliberating on Tuesday morning after informing the judge they could not reach a consensus on murder charges" (London Times).
September 1, 2026
"Jurors have said they are unable to reach a unanimous verdict in the trial of Lindsay Clancy..."
"... a mother who was accused of murdering her three children while suffering from undiagnosed postpartum psychosis. After about 18 hours of deliberations, the 12 jurors — nine women and three men — informed the judge on Tuesday morning that they are deadlocked. Judge William Sullivan ordered the panel to continue deliberating...."
From "Lindsay Clancy jury unable to reach unanimous verdict/Jurors were ordered to continue deliberating on Tuesday morning after informing the judge they could not reach a consensus on murder charges" (London Times).
"Clancy’s defence attorney, Kevin Reddington, told jurors she sought care 19 times between September 2022 and January 2023 for her depression, anxiety and insomnia. In that time, he said she was prescribed 12 drugs — antidepressants, sleep aids and an antipsychotic — by five healthcare providers. 'My God, what does she have to do? She was reaching out for help, and she was not getting it,' Reddington said....Clancy cried at the defence table throughout the state’s closing argument. Her attorney, Reddington, told the jury: 'This young lady did nothing wrong in her life. She was a nurse. A daughter. A wife. And a darn good mother.'"
From "Lindsay Clancy jury unable to reach unanimous verdict/Jurors were ordered to continue deliberating on Tuesday morning after informing the judge they could not reach a consensus on murder charges" (London Times).
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Insanity should not be an excuse. Ever. If you murder your own children, you are insane.
slightly ot:
In CO - An otherwise good Republican (Barb Kirkmeyer)
had her staff read the legislation /now law, that allows criminals and their defense council to proclaim:
"Unfit to stand trial" - and they are automatically released. Total insanity. Democrats wrote the law - and GOP staffers read it and suggested the GOP vote for it. Stupid GOP did so.
Now criminals walk free and commit more crime. As is occurring.
We need a law to protect citizens from staffers. Also a law that forces the actual elected official to read the legislation.
The voices in the jurors' heads should be screaming "Guilty, guilty, guilty!"
No comment necessary.
Nine angry women.
A bundle of "burdens". Planned parenthood. An ethical Choice. Next!
"And a darn good mother.'"
That's obscene.
The three men hung the jury.
Such a great mother she waited until one of her children was five before she murdered them.
Now we know why the biased women in the jury wore their pink shirts in honor of their new heroine!!!!
Reddington, told the jury: 'This young lady did nothing wrong in her life.
Define "WRONG."
That's a George Costanza line. Remember the episode where he got fired for banging the office cleaning lady on a desk?
Costanza's responded, pretending to be perplexed, "WAS THAT WRONG???"
Clancy's lawyer..."Yes she strangled her there children. But ask yourself, WAS THAT WRONG???"
Send the comet. We're fucked.
The judge has sent the jury back to try again.
Let's hope the three men hold out.
“And a darn good mother.”
@Althouse, Lefties apparently have a different definition of what it takes to be a “darned good mother” than we normal people have.
Is evil the Althouse blog theme of the day?
Jack Kevorkian (Dr. Death) arrived too early on the scene.
Luigi Mangione should really reconsider his plea- I now believe he had a great chance of never being convicted.
She was good enough, smart enough, and doggonnit people liked her.
Define "darn good".
Clearly NOT a good mother. There was some talk about her story changing though. Experts said that her motives fit the pattern of so-called "altruistic murder-suicide." She didn't, so the story goes, want the children to suffer after she killed herself. Anyway, as the case went on, Clancy claimed that a male voice in her head told her to kill the children. Psychosis may have been easier to sell to a jury and more likely to win her leniency.
Lest we forget... the children's names were Cora (age 5), Dawson (age 3), and Callan (8 months). The father's name (and the fourth victim) is Patrick.
Does anyone believe that, had Clancy been a single young father who did the same things, he wouldn't have been convicted inside of the first hour of deliberations by the exact same jury?
1. GoFundMe for Patrick Clancy raised $1,075,411.
2. GoFundMe for Lindsay Clancy’s parents raised $1,106,948.
3. Patrick Clancy’s wrongful-death / malpractice suit against Lindsay Clancy’s health care providers seeks over $1,000,000 in damages.
4. Lindsay Clancy’s malpractice suit against her medical providers seeks over $1,000,000 for: past and future medical expense, past and future lost wages, pain and suffering, emotional distress, including “the knowledge that she killed her children”, loss of enjoyment of life, permanent disability (paralysis from the jump), loss of consortium with her husband and children
On August 10, 2026, Massachusetts governor Maura Healey signed the "Prioritizing Patient Access to Care Act" which removed any gestational age limitations on abortions. Behind her were a smiling, enthusiastic crew of liberal white women.
Now in Massachusetts, a jury is hung over a clear case of murder and infanticide.
And liberals tried to tell us all these years that the "slippery slope" argument was bullshit.
Send the comet.
I read her doctors didn't know about each other. Was that in the testimony?
Anyone want to bet the jury is split by sex? The manslaughter option seems guaranteed to cause trouble. It's a nonsensical compromise choice.
Hard for me to accept that this is not fiction.
"And a darn good mother"
Well, except for that one slip up. But we all make mistakes, amirite?
Someone on X asked Grok "how would you rule [in the Lindsay Clancy trial] The Grok / AI answer below:
Grok: "Based on the evidence of goal-directed planning (searching drive times, sending her husband on specific errands to create isolation), her coherent daily activities that day, and sequential methodical acts, the Commonwealth met its burden. She retained substantial capacity to appreciate wrongfulness and conform her conduct to the law. I would find her guilty of first-degree murder."
AI has surpassed the intelligence and moral compass of liberal white women. I realize that's a low bar.
She needed a lawyer with chutzpa and, man, did she ever find one!
Everyone's assuming that most or all of the women are holding out for not guilty. While I have no doubt the holdouts are women, I have faith that it's less than half of them.
I guess the "A Good Mother" label has some really low standards.
How is a person that has "five Healthcare providers" NOT getting help? She got plenty of help it would appear, it wasn't effective help.
Employers are allowed to drug test job applicants and pending hires for safety purposes. They don't want you addicted to coke, heroine, or showing up to work stoned or high.
If this verdict determines that hormonal women can be found not guilty of murder for reason of insanity, will employers be allowed to ask women if they are currently hormonal?
The precedent here is insane. Is this progress? Is this really what feminists want?
“This young lady did nothing wrong in her life.” Apparently there were some jurors who agreed. In Massachusetts how many children murdered amounts to “doing wrong” is up for grabs. Is anyone in the normal world surprised?
I watched Billy Bush’s Hot Take on this yesterday on YT. He had attorney Melanie Little on, who has been immersed in this trial, much as she has been with the Karen Read matter.
One of the things Billy Bush said was that the Commonwealth did not release any of the transcripts or video from Clancy’s intake, where she was initially questioned on the events. This was very unlike the Karen Read situation, where the Commonwealth released anything they could, determined to cast Read in a negative light. I just thought that was rather interesting.
Kevin Reddington has a long legacy of defending the indefensible, and has pulled out some real wins in that area, including defining the “battered womens’ syndrome” which led to the acquittal of his client.
Having said all that, I do think Clancy is guilty of the act, and if it’s true that none of the so-called “care providers” knew of each other, I would think that would be a finding of negligence.
She had plenty of help and support. I'm willing to believe that postpartum psychosis is a real thing, and also to believe that she didn't have it. It doesn't present as a one-time thing, and as the AI noted, she showed too much consciousness of right and wrong.
Motive is not an element of the crime, but one can't help but wonder - if she wasn't crazy, why did she do it?
“The precedent here is insane. Is this progress? Is this really what feminists want?”
Isn’t it more of a descent to tribalism?
Don’t touch my group. My group right or wrong.
Herein lies the problem: Bad Therapy. So much of what passes for mental health care goes only so far as: take this. I'm not entirely sure that half of all "improvement" from the meds is placebo. I think someone should go sue all those doctors and pharamceutical companies. Fucking racket.
Rather than be prescribed pills, she probably would have been better off taking ayahuasca with Aaron Rogers in Peru or wherever the hell he goes for that.
"My God, what does she have to do?" - Try not strangling her three children.
Arguably she was getting too much care: "she was prescribed 12 drugs — antidepressants, sleep aids and an antipsychotic — by five healthcare providers. "
“Jury still trying to decide if strangling your kids is okay”
She's definitely crazy and definitely guilty. So is Rob Reiner"s son but he won't get off........Well, win, lose or draw, she'll be paralyzed from the waist down. She'll never be able to walk away from this crime.....The crime is monstrous and contrary to every human instinct and emotion. For that reason I feel some sympathy for her. There must be a part of her that is aware of the monstrosity of her crime, but it's an open question as to whether that's punishment enough.......Wouldn't it be great if God existed and there was a day of Last Judgement where we could find the answer to these questions. Or maybe with AI when it's advanced enough.
tim maguire said...
"Everyone's assuming that most or all of the women are holding out for not guilty. While I have no doubt the holdouts are women, I have faith that it's less than half of them."
The trial is being held in Plymouth County, MA, just south of Boston. That's crazy liberal white women central. Location and demographics matter here.
If this trial were being held in Washington or Waukesha County, WI she'd have been found guilty already. Dane County, WI... probably that same craziness we are seeing in Plymouth, MA. In Texas, she'd get the death penalty.
Maybe you are right, and it is the two women who wore pink yesterday hanging the jury. But, in Plymouth County, MA... I doubt it.
I heard that none of the prescribed drugs were in her system when arrested. Can anyone confirm that?
dbp said...
"Arguably she was getting too much care: "she was prescribed 12 drugs — antidepressants, sleep aids and an antipsychotic — by five healthcare providers."
Psychologist prescribing these drugs are just throwing sand at a barn. They have no clue what they are doing, and rarely heal anyone.
And, they don't trade notes. My 24-year-old transitioning son is getting two ADHD meds from one psychiatrist, which are stimulants and suppress his appetite and screw up his body clock. The Milwaukee Clinic prescribing him the estrogen and testosterone blockers, reccomend that he is supposed to try and eat more to maintain his weight. WTF???
Perhaps in her case, it made things worse. So where is the malpractice? They didn't give here the correct cocktail, they put too much liquor in her Long Island Iced Tea, or forgot the final splash of Coca-Cola?
Maybe I'm being hypocritical here offering a slight open mind the cocktail made her worse. But we don't investigate or question "the science" of medications nobody really understands.
Liberals and Democrats to the same thing when turning a blind eye toward autism and today's insane 70+ vaccine cocktail for American children.
Just...send...the...comet....
@Gusty Winds re the pink shirts: this is a holdover from the Karen Read trials, held next door in uber-corrupt Norfolk County. I’m sure there are some here who were supporters of Read, and, akin to wearing your lucky shirt to ensure your team wins, they glommed onto the pink shirt thing. Hey, lightning can strike twice, right? (sigh)
The difference here is that Read was clearly railroaded by the corrupt DA’s office, the Mass. State Police, and Town of Canton police, covering for a very influential family in the town, determined to exonerate them even at the expense of finding out what really happened to John O’Keefe, a Boston cop.
This kind of crap is par for the course in MA. I’m not expecting a good verdict here, but I’m glad the judge is forcing them to continue deliberating. No one is going to want to try to pick another jury if this one deadlocks.
I believe my medical records record every doc visit or test or medication I’m on. How would it be that hers did not? Are psychiatrist records isolated from the rest? I’m genuinely curious how the caregivers did not know about each other, nor the meds prescribed, presumably. If they did not know, that’s on her. Prescribing meds without the full tally of already prescribed meds is obviously problematic.
ALL the psychiatrists in the world cannot fix evil.
Lindsay Clancy did not take the prescribed medications as directed.
Lindsay Clancy withheld damning symptoms from her doctors. Lindsay Clancy did not inform providers about the other providers she was seeing.
I do not think the Clancys’ malpractice law suit will prevail. Lindsay Clancy received what is recognized as standard of care.
The fact that she went on to murder her three children was not because she was psychotic or postpartum or overmedicated.
--- Isn’t it more of a descent to tribalism?
Don’t touch my group. My group right or wrong.
That is so terrible, in't? Why can't they be more like the wild mavericks of freethinking here in the Althouse Club?
How do we know the female jurors wanting to somehow exonerate Lindsay Clancy aren't themselves hormonal and insane? What about all those liberal female protestors outside the courthouse?
It's a fair question.
One of the oldest tricks of a trial lawyer on display: shift the blame to someone who is not in court and is not on trial. That damn medical system!
Another famous MA resident Lizzie Borden was acquitted of murder in 1893. This is nothing new for them. The Borden trial was supposedly decided by the fact that her clothes were not bloody, but the prosecution said she changed them.
“Well, except for that one slip up. But we all make mistakes, amirite?”
She had one bad day.
'This young lady did nothing wrong in her life. She was a nurse. A daughter. A wife. And a darn good mother.'
I dunno. That last sentence seems like an exaggeration to me.
Dont these situations seem to occur every 3-5 years? Usually its a white middle class woman who goes crazy and kills her kids. And there always seem to be 3 or more.
I suppose in a country of 175 million girls and women, a few of them are going to be homicidal maniacs.
Whatever the verdict, she should be sterilized and never be allowed to adopt or be involved in any sort of child care.
Her attorney, Reddington, told the jury: 'This young lady did nothing wrong in her life. She was a nurse. A daughter. A wife. And a darn good mother.'"
I'd like to hear his definition of a bad mother.
---- The fact that she went on to murder her three children was not because she was psychotic or postpartum or overmedicated.
In your opinion.
I'm not going to weigh in on the case. I haven't been following it closely enough anyway. Let me share something from personal experience about post partum depression.
My wife had our first many years ago. We were 30, middle to upper middle class, well insured, lots of resources. Family, savings, house, safe community, etc.
My wife came home from the hospital after requiring a surgical intervention post delivery. She had lost a good amount of blood. We were new parents with our first. We got home and neither of us were sleeping, and our baby was not a sleeper.
Over the next 2 months, my wife DIDNT sleep. She couldn't stay asleep, not for more than ~60-90 minutes at least. She became anxious to the point it was a form of mania (which is part of post-partum depression - it's not just depression). Her anxiety and lack of sleep and declining mental health led to things like her inability to eat - I was spoon feeding her sometimes. All she could do was focus her anxiety on taking care of our newborn.
She started on SSRIs. No effect and bad side effects. She started on ambien - no effect on sleep. By around month 4.5 post-partum, she was in a bad place and worsening. With no clear solution in place.
Fortunately, the next step of intervention changed the course - and the baby was growing too. A benzodiazepine allowed her to get the first 4 hour stretch of sleep in about 5 months. I literally saw her healing begin when that happened.
I'm sharing this simply because from what I witnessed, I would not be surprised if the woman I knew descended into a full psychotic if that had continued for a long time. And that that may have been a temporary condition, curable with appropriate care. And I don't pretend to know what Ms. Clancy went through - but what a horrible situation all around and I wouldn't want to be a juror trying to judge that mental health crisis.
The dems will probably groom Lindsay for a Senate seat.
"She was a nurse."
What percentage of nurses are psychotic?
In January of 2023, Lindsay Clancy had a bad day.
Cora Clancy (age 5), Dawson Clancy (age 3), and Callan Clancy (age 8 months) had their last day.
In July of 2012, Aaron Schaffhausen of River Falls, Wisconsin, had a bad day.
Amara Schaffhausen (age 11), Sophie Schaffhausen (age 8), and Cecilia Schaffhausen (age 5) had their last day.
Aaron Schaffhausen is serving three consecutive life sentences, with no possibility of parole.
I'm tired of people saying that the system failed Clancy. What "system"? It's not actually society's job to keep you healthy and sane. There's no "system" to do that apart from the fact that people can go see a doctor when things are awry. Talking about a failure of the "system" comes across as an attempt to deny a person's individual agency, except only AFTER the person does something horrific. In Mangione's case, the contention is that his frustration with the health care insurance industry somehow excuses him for shooting an unarmed young father in the back. The world isn't a perfect place, but it doesn't mean you can just go out and kill somebody.
“Grok: "Based on the evidence of goal-directed planning (searching drive times, sending her husband on specific errands to create isolation), her coherent daily activities that day, and sequential methodical acts, the Commonwealth met its burden. She retained substantial capacity to appreciate wrongfulness and conform her conduct to the law. I would find her guilty of first-degree murder."”
Far be it from me to argue with God, and it may not matter as a matter in law, but I’d still like to understand the motive. Was she suddenly possessed by Satan or something?
I remember a case where a woman drove a car into a pond and drowned her kids. And one in Texas where a mom drowned five kids in the tub, it’s common.
Smilin' Jack said...
"...but I’d still like to understand the motive. Was she suddenly possessed by Satan or something?"
Turns out the 5-year-old girl would not stop jumping on the couch, and was actually swinging from the new curtains the day before, and got into Mommy's lipstick, staining the carpet.
The 3-year-old boy was not progressing with potty training, and was always crying when his older sister teased him. He also kept throwing food on the floor when he didn't want to eat it.
The 8-month-old was having a hard time sleeping at night, and would cry at three in the morning because she was scared of the dark, need her diaper changed, and wanted someone's attention.
If you're a hormonal woman.... it's almost justifiable homicide....
I have to wonder if an acquittal will actually offer Defendant Clancy any respite. Unless she is a thoroughgoing pathological narcissist she will live with the memory of what she did for the rest of her life and should she ever have a moment of forgetfullness, as soon as she attempts to stand, her broken body will serve as a reminder. There's some justice in that, I venture. But for the good of all the rest of us I pray she is convicted by the next jury--the one that will be convened for the trial that will be next held after all the crazies have moved on to the next crusade du jour and the newsmongers decide there is no more audience for this particular atrocity. I almost think that a "Groundhog Day" scenario in which she is repeatedly brought to trial after a never-ending series of mistrials might actually be an acceptable outcome. Sort of a Kafkaesque measure of punishment. Whatever the result, there must be a message sent to those who might be tempted to repeat her crime should she somehow escape a good grinding in the wheels of justice. Crazy people don't require much incentive to be homicidal, as is evident from a cursory glance at the New York Post's headline stories. They should not be given any more encouragement.
while suffering from undiagnosed postpartum psychosis.
ALLEGEDLY suffering from post-partum depression. She says she was, the state says she wasn't, based in part on her having no symptoms for the first eight months of her third baby's life, which (we are told) is a wildly unusual delay (if true).
I'd hand the State a gun if I'd killed my kids due to psychosis. The fact that she's trying to get out of it proves she's guilty. And evil.
It is considered a heinous crime when any adult injures or kills a child, and it is considered even MORE heinous when they are assigned to the adults care.
This includes beating, molestation, kidnapping, and murder. Today, 23-year-old female teachers are getting ten plus years in prison for having sex with 16-year old male students. If a male teacher does the same... he is rightfully fucked.
Even in prisons there is a hierarchy of acceptable crimes among the convicted, and child molesters and murderers are outcast, often beaten, killed or injured via the laws of the jungle. We know this goes on, and we understand it.
But here some Massachusetts jurors are trying to find an acception to these rules, because Lindsay was the suffering mother.
The special protection of young children is a societal rule that cannot be broken.
And yes. There are plenty of hypocrisies, like the damage done by Catholic Priests. I will fully admit, as a practicing Catholic, that the liberal women supporting Lindsay are not alone in turning a blind eye to these crimes. But it doesn't excuse any of it.
According to Grok:
A prosecution expert, forensic psychologist Dr. Kirk Heilbrun, testified that the most likely motive was “suicide combined with altruistic filicide”—killing the children “out of love” because she was convinced they would suffer without her. He described months of intrusive thoughts about suicide and said she decided to take the children with her so they would not be left behind. He rejected the idea that she was in acute psychosis with command hallucinations at the moment of the killings.”
The problem isn't so much what she did - though it's heinous, to be sure - it's all the women who are supporting her. Women with children.
She's crazy--who would kill three children if she weren't crazy? Whether a course of treatment from the mental health professionals that have not handled this well will make an improvement to her mental state is an open question.
The entire doctrine surrounding criminal culpability by the insane is a triumph of liberal sensibility over lived experience. Most of us take comfort from the idea that the insane person will be institutionalized until they are no longer a danger to others.(We sugarcoat this policy by adding in a proforma reference to "a danger to themselves".) We have now reached a point of moral development where we de-institutionalize the insane and treat them as street furniture in our large cities and call it "care in the community."
Notwithstanding "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", humane mental institutions would be a big improvement on the current approach.
Most people can’t deal with uncertainty. She & the ex-husband are suing the health care providers for not curing her. It’s always someone’s fault. Everything was preventable. Always & everywhere. And it’s never the fault of the plaintiffs.
Killing others before a person kills themselves is the ultimate selfish act.
It's a shame that the three strangled children couldn't be called to testify in order to corroborate the lawyer's claim that Lindsay was a great mom. Very unlucky for a darn good mom.
Lindsay Clancy confessed to killing her children in this order. Dawson (age 3) first, then Cora (age 5), then Callan (age 8 months) last.
This means the five year old, who is old enough to understand what was going on, was forced to witness the death of age 3 Dawson, and probably contemplate she was next.
Lindsay Clancy should be extradited to Texas where she can receive the death penalty.
A crime of emphatic pathos. A human rite... rites planned to relieve "burdens" of state and mind.
Planned Parent... hood is an ethical Choice for the mother and her three no longer viable "burdens" of state and mind.
𝘈𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘶𝘴 48 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥...
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𝘕𝘰𝘵𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 "𝘖𝘯𝘦 𝘍𝘭𝘦𝘸 𝘖𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘰𝘰'𝘴 𝘕𝘦𝘴𝘵", 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘢𝘭 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘦 𝘢 𝘣𝘪𝘨 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘢𝘤𝘩.
It would be. But there is one problem. Humane mental institutions, over time, don't stay that way. Something about dealing with crazy people day in and day out drives the humanity out of people.
Same things happens when idealists work in prison. They soon learn that some people really are evil. And that prisons are not full of people who "just made a mistake."
My original neighbor here in the middle of nowhere was a prison chaplain for a while. Said he quit because if you work with prisoners too long you start to adopt their attitudes and behavior. And he saw it in way too many prison employees. His thoughts were that guards should be enlisted- or drafted- for 5 years service, then be given 2 years community college/vocational training. Other employees rotated in from other federal/state/local jobs for a few years then rotated back. I feel the same should probably hold true for mental hospitals should they be reestablished.
No one ever claimed that trial by jury was guaranteed to deliver justice. But it's also true that no one has come up with a better way to try to do that.
Years after I saw the movie, which inspired me to read the book, I finally realized that Nurse Ratched was the real hero in Cuckoo's Nest.
Kai Akker said...2:10pm
---- The fact that she went on to murder her three children was not because she was psychotic or postpartum or overmedicated.
In your opinion.
My response: Yes THAT is my opinion. I am a Harvard Medical School graduate. And I am entitled to my opinion. You are entitled to your opinion. But I have I would guess a lot of clinical experience you lack.
Jim at said...
The problem isn't so much what she did - though it's heinous, to be sure - it's all the women who are supporting her. Women with children.
This.
Social media has been an absolute disaster for women.
Clancy has the good luck that MA is one of the few states, if not the only, where a defense of insanity forces the prosecution to prove criminal culpability to the juriy rather than the defense having to prove mental incapacity. She'll probably walk without even seeing the inside of a psych ward. I can't seen the prosecutors taking a second try if this jury hangs but IANAL
"No one ever claimed that trial by jury was guaranteed to deliver justice. But it's also true that no one has come up with a better way to try to do that."
A coin flip is 100% unbiased. No jury can claim that. If Trump is being tried in NYC or D.C., the coin flip is infinitely more fair, as we have seen. Watching that happen has changed my respect for the jury system just like it would have in 1901 Alabama. I'm slow.
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The only question in this trial is what to do with a crazy person who does heinous multiple murders.
I know that if it was any other species or even the opposite sex, this would be easy. Identity justice is not blind.
What really bothers me is that 2 of the jurors wore pink. Shouldn’t there be an inquiry at the very least?
"Shouldn’t there be an inquiry at the very least?"
Only if they reach the wrong verdict.
No, there should be an inquiry now. Very seriously, did it affect the deliberations? Did the jurors read anything about the trials, were they signaling support? I can’t imagine that it didn’t affect the deliberations.
"No, there should be an inquiry now."
Should be, but based on the state of our legal system- you know, the one where people get elected by promising to find something to arrest and convict someone for- I'm not holding my breath waiting.
What gets me is that no one in the legal profession cares. Every time I have any dealings professionally with attys, they chuckle, throe up their hands and say, “That’s the system.” And these are decent men and women but for whatever reason they don’t have the motivation to change things.
“No one ever claimed that trial by jury was guaranteed to deliver justice. But it's also true that no one has come up with a better way to try to do that.”
I think that trial by combat is the best approach. In the Middle Ages if a man and woman were plaintiffs and defendant they required the man to be buried in the ground first up to his waist before the fight. Obviously the innocent person would win because they would be more confident they were right.
The only problem with this is that lawyers would only be like cornermen at a boxing match, just there with a bucket of water and a rag.
"What gets me is that no one in the legal profession cares."
Sure hard to have any respect for them or the system they seem intent on running into the ground, isn't it?
I agree that the courts are not there to do justice, but only to provide resolution. It’s like, my justice may it always be right, but right or wrong, my justice.
Justice is done,
NGRI was established when we had a functioning asylum system in the English-speaking world. M'Naghten, the defendant in the original NGRI case, spent the rest of his life in Bedlam and other facilities. So a successful NGRI defense merely changed the location where you would be the state's guest for life.
Nowadays there is no such guarantee, so NGRI has become a way to get completely off, eventually. CC, JSM
"Women are adults who can be held responsible for criminal behavior" was a fun idea, but let's lay it to bed and punish the husband for not controlling his wife better.
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