June 28, 2019

"I missed Buttigieg's closing statement because the dumb NBC News Roku channel interrupted to ask if I'm still watching."

Writes my son John at the end of his live blogging of last night's debate — when he was writing something for each of the closing statements:
10:53 — Swalwell: "I'm a father of a 2-year-old and an infant. When I'm not changing diapers, I'm changing Washington. Most of the time, the diapers smell better."

10:54 — Williamson: "Donald Trump is not going to be beaten just by insider politics talk.… He's reached into the psyche of the American people, and he's harnessed fear for political purposes.… I'm going to harness love for political purposes … and love will win."

10:55 — Hickenlooper seems to have saved up his whole pitch till the end: "We expanded reproductive health to reduce teenage abortion.… We were the first state [Colorado] to legalize marijuana.… We got to near universal health care coverage."

10:56 — Gillibrand: "Women are on fire!"

10:57 — Yang says he'll build "a broad coalition" including "libertarians" — the only time they're mentioned by any of the Democratic candidates.

10:58 — Harris tries to convince us that she should be the nominee based on her prosecutorial background, saying she'll "prosecute the case against 4 more years of Donald Trump."

10:59 — I missed Buttigieg's closing statement because the dumb NBC News Roku channel interrupted to ask if I'm still watching.

11:00 — Sanders, seeming to draw inspiration from President Eisenhower, says he'll fight "the military-industrial complex."

11:01 — Biden promises to "restore the soul of this country — the president has ripped it out." "This is the United States of America! We can do anything if we're together — together."
By then, I'd closed down my computer. It wasn't that I'd got sleepy. I was tired of the rancor. I'm up again this morning at 4 a.m., looking back and assessing what happened to me. I had distanced myself from these people as I was watching, but now I'm thinking of the reality of one of these people becoming President. It wasn't just a funny talk show of wild scary weirdos. It's for real. And I think what happened in my head was: Okay, just give me Biden.

122 comments:

stevew said...

Biden you say, hmmm. Reminds me of P.J. O'Rourke's endorsement of Hilary Clinton: "I am voting for Hilary Clinton... I mean, she’s wrong about absolutely everything, but she’s wrong within normal parameters.”

Biden feels that way to me, he wouldn't do, or attempt to do, anything crazy. He'd leave most things that Trump has done that people like and appreciate alone. His election would push the progressives and far left reactionaries further into the shadows.

Perhaps that's why he gets so much polling support.

Wilson Carroll said...

What Kamala did to poor Uncle Joe qualifies as elder abuse.

tim in vermont said...

I think Biden’s promise of tax cuts for rich Californians is genius.

tim in vermont said...

My ex wife said something similar about the Democrats, it was “I might have to vote for Trump and I fucking hate him."

rhhardin said...

Nietzsche says women who have grown old are more skeptical than the men.

I fear that women who have grown old are more skeptical in the secret recesses of their hearts than any of the men; they believe in the superficiality of existence as in its essence, and all virtue and profoundity is to them only the disguising of thie truth, the very desireable disguising of a pudendum - an affair, therefore, of decency and modesty, and nothing more.

lgv said...

Just give me Biden?

I have always disliked Trump, especially after his stupid TV show came about. While I agree with most of his positions, I had a slight fear he would do something impulsive or stupid that would be ruinous. So far, nothing big.

I have the same fear with Biden. Sure, you expect the same bland politics as usual, but the man is an imbecile. He's only a few steps above Chauncey Gardner. What if he had partitioned Iraq?

I think you are going through the same thing the Republicans went through. Seemed like a bunch of reasonably qualified candidates, but once you do a deeper dive, your only thought becomes, "This is all we got?!"

"Give me Biden" is the Dem equivalent of "Give me Jeb" without the Bush fatigue syndrome.

David Begley said...

I feel asleep.

All 20 of them are radical Left loons. Midget loons. And Joe is an old, old man who is not up to the job. On top of that, Biden is owned by the Chinese.

David Begley said...

Harris was the winner last night. But she meets her Waterloo when she encounters DDB in CB on Independence Day.

Krumhorn said...

I thought the most apt line of the night was Biden’s announcement that his time was up.

- Krumhorn

Birkel said...

Nobody's ex wife FTW.

Birkel said...

Harris vs Warren vs Biden

Those were the establishment Leftists' favorites three months ago.
And NBC did it's duty.

BUMBLE BEE said...

I don't believe Biden could think his way out of a shower stall.
It's good to be old! Too many dems took the brown acid!

tim maguire said...

I missed Buttigieg's closing statement because the dumb NBC News Roku channel interrupted to ask if I'm still watching.


That was commentary.

Nichevo said...

now I'm thinking of the reality of one of these people becoming President. It wasn't just a funny talk show of wild scary weirdos. It's for real. And I think what happened in my head was: Okay, just give me Biden.


Do you understand that you do not, in fact, have to choose any "one of these people?" Why not just stick with President Trump if all the alternatives are so nauseating?

PDT is SO bad, to you, that Biden's first priority, not as candidate but as President after he has putatively won, should be "defeating Donald Trump?" What does that even mean? Hounding his family into jail or early graves? Making 63 million who dared vote for him, wish they had never been born? Reducing your own readership by 90%?

Nichevo said...

And what about Sanders? Seems the debates were structured to bury him. Did it work?

wendybar said...

Biden? So you don't care about his China and Ukraine?

Achilles said...

Every one of these candidates promised the end of our republic.

If any of these people are elected president the government is my enemy. I will not pay taxes so they can pay for the world to move here and get free health care on my dime.

wendybar said...

His China and Ukraine SCANDALS.

Krumhorn said...

In his book, Clarence Thomas blistered Biden saying “Senator Biden’s smooth, insincere promises that he would treat me fairly were nothing but talk.” Biden was, in fact, vicious.

The prospect of any one of these leftie clowns making it into the WH is simply horrifying. The Bad Orange Man needs to beat them like a red-headed step-child.

- Krumhorn

Achilles said...

wendybar said...
Biden? So you don't care about his China and Ukraine?

Biden is clearly a traitor that has sold us out to foreign countries.

It is not ok to support him the same way it was not ok to support Hillary or Obama or bush.

rhhardin said...

I used to get are you still watching on some streaming channel - they want you to be watching the ads they sell - and just never used that streaming system again. All my streaming goes into a tiny video game-players' FM radio transmitter and can he heard all over the house on various FM radios. I'm never watching it.

I pick up that with a baby monitor transmitter and can hear it also in the yard with a parents' baby monitor receiver mounted on a hat (so my body never blocks the signal).

Watching, ha.

Clyde said...

“Just give us Barabbas!”

The Bergall said...

Actually I liked the commercials, they were were far more informative.

tim maguire said...

stevew said...
Biden you say, hmmm. Reminds me of P.J. O'Rourke's endorsement of Hilary Clinton: "I am voting for Hilary Clinton... I mean, she’s wrong about absolutely everything, but she’s wrong within normal parameters.”


I could forgive O’Rourke that. It was a legitimate (perhaps the only legitimate) reason to favour Hillary! over Trump. She’s the devil we knew. But now Trump is also a devil we know and it’s time to put that argument away. I can’t forgive him and the other NeverTrumpers who refuse to put that argument away.

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Sebastian said...

"Okay, just give me Biden."

Two-time plagiarist, Iraq draw-down ISIS promoter, handsy #MeToo violator, Constitutional ignoramus, China-is-no-competitor slow Joe.

Okay, we are screwed.

Big Mike said...

Biden recently boasted about using the threat of withholding American foreign aide to get the Ukraine to drop its investigation of son Hunter’s activities and to fire its prosecutor. Nice to see how a law professor really feels about the law.

rehajm said...

Ann says it was a talk show of scary weirdos. Somewhere Hillary! cackles.

rhhardin said...

Okay, just give me Biden

The others didn't seem to mean well. Seeming to mean well is the women's criterion for support.

rehajm said...

Hey- what about that Starbucks guy? Whatshisname. Did the Clintons have him killed or something?

rehajm said...

Also, Bill Weld sent me an invite to his fundraiser...

TJM said...

a parade of intellectual midgets and loonies - the Dem Clown Car. Trump will wipe the floor with any of them.

David Begley said...

After both debates, Michelle is the winner.

Ralph L said...

The frightening thing is that any one of the crazy 20+ will still get over 60 million votes.

TJM said...

Moochelle Antoinette isn't going to run. Flunked the bar, fake job at the University of Chicago Hospital Systems, with the IQ of a gnat. She loves the good life.

Ann Althouse said...

"I thought the most apt line of the night was Biden’s announcement that his time was up."

I understand the humor in that, but I want to say also that I loved that, his stopping just because time was up. Everyone else was grabbing extra time and it was disorderly and made me feel bad. Joe did what lawyers do in oral argument, just stop abruptly because time is up. I like that respect!

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Fen said...

I want to say also that I loved that, his stopping just because time was up. Everyone else was grabbing extra time and it was disorderly and made me feel bad. Joe did what lawyers do in oral argument, just stop abruptly because time is up. I like that respect!

And it might actually be clever. Democrats and NeverTrumpers like to pose with their fake concern about Trump's lack of decency and class, and yet all of them were behaving like spoiled schoolchildren engaged in a food fight at a debate to determine the next President of the United States.

All of them except one.

Time will tell if Dem voters really believe in the things they lecture us about. But I predict they will try to mimic Trump. And make some sloppy excuse about why it's okay for them but not for him.

Fen said...

My evil plan is to get the Romney's and McCain's of the GOP to switch parties so they can teach Democrats how to surrender gracefully. Never let an opportunity go to waste.

Jeff Brokaw said...

Althouse should “walk away” — sounds like the party has left you, not the other way around.

Do not allow yourself to be manipulated and used by crazy people who want to undo *everything*.

Otherwise, you broke it, you bought it.

Fen said...

But this race is reminding me of all the other Presidential races that went so bad we can barely remember who ran against the incumbent. Who did Reagan beat? Mondale?

I know, don't get cocky kid.

Milo Minderbinder said...

Lucky him.

Big Mike said...

Biden feels that way to me, he wouldn't do, or attempt to do, anything crazy. He'd leave most things that Trump has done that people like and appreciate alone.

@stevew, interesting. Why would you believe that? He strikes me as a follower, not a leader, as a puppet whose string-holders we can’t see.

His election would push the progressives and far left reactionaries further into the shadows.

No. It won’t. They’re out front and loud and proud. Biden has no moral compass and he will be pulled in a leftward direction. All for our own good, of course.

Angle-Dyne, Servant of Ugliness said...

wendybar: Biden? So you don't care about his China and Ukraine?

In the eternal 1965 of the enlightened Boomer's political universe, dealings with places like China and Ukraine are small change, impinging only on the sorts of minor issues that agitate Faux News-watching yahoos.

Fen said...

Big Mike: He strikes me as a follower, not a leader, as a puppet whose string-holders we can’t see.

Exactly. Biden has been a loyal member of the Establishment Party(E) for 47 years.

Like in West World, he's a mannequin saved for a moment precisely like this, programmed to perform for people who pay extra to keep their names off the campaign donor list.

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Temujin said...

Here's the thing. The Dems are not going to put up Joe Biden as their candidate. It's just not going to happen. They'll rip up their base if they do that.

With Republicans and Trump, last time around, the base wanted a drastic change. Someone to blow up the existing polititalk that goes on incessantly by both parties, with nothing getting done. The base wanted change. The Republican elite, those who have run the party forever, wanted anyone but Trump. Even Hillary was preferable to the Republican elite. The base won.

It is the same for the Dems this time around. If the Dem Party Masters give their blessing and arrange for Biden, they'll lose their base and lose the election. If they give in to the various sects that call themselves 'progressive', they'll keep their base, but lose traditional Dems and, hence, lose the election.

I see Trump for 4 more years. And after that, Nikki Haley for 8. After that, the 'progressives' will have long left college and either realize they need real jobs, or they'll be living like the Guilty Remnant in The Leftovers. Wearing white and smoking cigarettes outside your houses.

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Fen said...

I'm guessing there wasn't a real journalist on site to ask the candidates about their collective 180 on the border non-crisis crisis?

We might as well be watching fiction. Bad fiction. Where are my Season 8 GoT CDs?

n.n said...

Ironic, a tragicomedy, really, that Biden converted.

Bay Area Guy said...

When I was a kid, the worst President by far was Jlmmy Carter. He was hopelessly naive about the Soviets, we had sky high inflation, we had sky high interest rates, we had long lines just to get gas at the gas station.

Carter was so inept that he gave us 8 years of Reagan, and was banished by the Democrat Party to go build homes for the poor.

And, yet. compared to these current clowns, Carter has the stature of General George Washington valiantly surviving at Valley Forge.

These candidates are horrid. They are not serious adults. They hsve mastered the art of "pie-in-the sky" rhetoric, but would turn our country into Venezuela if they ever got power.

Narayanan said...

TJM said...
Moochelle Antoinette isn't going to run. Flunked the bar, fake job at the University of Chicago Hospital Systems, with the IQ of a gnat. She loves the good life.

Is it Constitutional required that President stay in White House in DC in USA?

traditionalguy said...

What about your motto that goes something like, "better nothing than a compromise that accepts less than the best." So far Biden has proven that he is a weak and old place keeper. Even Obama picked Biden just because he had nothing to offer except a shit eating grin.

Bob Boyd said...

Just give me Biden

Just give me an unaccountable federal intelligence/law enforcement apparatus secure in the knowledge that they can use their tools to interfere in a presidential election then try to overturn the results of same after the fact and be protected by both major parties and the mainstream media. Just give the surveillance state and a soothing tone. Just give me an illusion of democracy. Real democracy is just too messy.

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n.n said...

Jlmmy Carter. He was hopelessly naive about the Soviets

The beginning of the green movement?

I see Trump for 4 more years.

On one hand... On the other hand, that means four more years, or sixteen trimesters, of witch hunts and warlock trials.

traditionalguy said...

And Biden would never dream of interfering with the World Child Sex Trafficking Order. To end that massive evil operation, we will have to keep gnarly Sun Tsu Trump for another four years. Do it for the children.

stevew said...

"Big Mike: He strikes me as a follower, not a leader, as a puppet whose string-holders we can’t see."

IMO, the string-holders: Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Leahy. These folks barely tolerate the far left crowd, generally only in so far as doing so helps re-establish their power and, ultimately, defeat Trump.

Not saying I will vote for him, just that this explains some of his appeal to the majority of Democrat voters and thus his lead in the polls.

Fen said...

Moochelle Antoinette isn't going to run

And she's unlikeable. She has the Perennially Indignant look down pat.

Darrell said...

The Democrats compete with Japanese Kaiju for having the most monsters. Did anyone ask Kamaltoe about her role in the Jussie Smollett lynching sham? Just howw many times did they communicate as she was preparing her Anti-Lynching Bill for a vote?

Tank said...

All of these people would be terrible for America as President.

Don't misunderestimate Slo Joe as a debater against Trump.

I don't know why people say Trump will eviscerate this or that opponent in a debate. In the last debates, I thought he left a lot on the table and missed opportunity after opportunity. Biden can talk, talk, talk, and will say anything. Which media will call him on it?

Narayanan said...

Blogger Big Mike said... Biden recently boasted about using the threat of withholding American foreign aid.

Biden grabbing by the balls / pussy

What is his past history?

Or is he perpetuate own abuse?

n.n said...

the border non-crisis crisis?

It progressed when anti-nativists encouraged immigration reform, judges blocked actions to secure the border (and guide crossings), then legislators denied resources to manage the fallout. Then people like Ocasio-Cortez exacerbated the problem by fomenting reckless interference of companies with a conscience who are working with the government to mitigate the collateral damage forced by immigration reform (e.g. mass migration).

Amadeus 48 said...

I agree with all commenters above, except for some specific details. I am speechless at this point.

It’s morning in America, and the Dems are mourning in America. They make Trump look optimistic.

Although imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, it is a bad plan if you want to distinguish yourself.

Just give me Trump.

n.n said...

Biden recently boasted about using the threat of withholding American foreign aide to get the Ukraine to drop its investigation of son

Obama spied, Clinton colluded, Biden obstructed, ... It's interesting that Kiev is the epicenter of this trial.

dreams said...

The black woman is likely to be the democrat candidate so that means that there will be even more racist slandering of all the white people who are mostly blue collar people just trying to make a living and have a decent life. Free health care for all the people who can get into our country legal or otherwise, we'll just have to pay more taxes. Well, those of us who actually pay taxes will have to pay more taxes and yeah, we will have to endure even more racist slandering because of our white privilege. Imagine what our grandparents would think if they could come back and see how our country has deteriorated. After Trump, we're doomed. Death by virtue signaling.

Hagar said...

The Republicans in 2016 and now this. Have they reached bottom and will spare us these TV debates for 2024 and on?

etbass said...

Drudge's poll show Yang won the debate. and Harris was second (Veep maybe?)

Need to start figuring out what to do with my $1000/month.

anti-de Sitter space said...

FTR, Biden did look like an old man. Man gets old = looks like Biden. Man not old = doesn't look like Biden.

Not sure why it's a good idea to deny reality.

iowan2 said...

So far I see nothing but editorial content. Meaning, everything is a theory, with no attempt to even fashion an experiment to test the theory. They cant take any action that will address their agenda. (what agenda?)

David Begely; Question for the Dem candidates. "Will you ignore the expert advice from the State Dept, The Dept of Defense, the Intelligence Community, and our allies, and remove troops from foreign conflicts? That was a promise made by our President, but he was renounced by all of his cabinet level advisers, and leaders of the Democrat Party as being uninformed." "Will you stand up to all the experts?"

Virgil Hilts said...

Kristen Gillibrand was really unlikable. Williamson comes off as a total flake, though I liked the observation that "If you just imagine Williamson holding a martini glass aloft the whole time, everything she's saying seems more sensical." Harris comes off as bitchy and all we need for her to go down (I hope) is the debate when her support of prosecutorial misconduct comes up. Mayor Pete and Governor John did best/least bad IMHO. Biden was Biden.

narciso said...

You didnt miss a thing, the Tom Baker dr who episodes were more interesting and less fraught with strange creatures

daskol said...

Elizabeth Warren is a giant in this field. I think she won both debates.

daskol said...

They really are a bunch of weirdos. Creepy weirdos. That's what became clear in the very first GOP debate in 2015: they all looked liked badly programmed humanoid robots, while Trump looked like a human being.

narciso said...

Shes an alien:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattNegrin/status/1144448314030641153/photo/

Change my mind,

clint said...

@BayAreaGuy, Re: President Carter...

He was worse than you're remembering. It's easy to downplay the threat of things that didn't happen -- but they didn't happen because Reagan was elected, not for some fundamental reason.

President Carter was ready to continue trashing the economy and effectively surrender the Cold War to the Soviet Union. He was all about managing the decline. Reagan changed that narrative completely. The last forty years would look profoundly different had the 1980 election somehow gone differently.

Craig Howard said...

His election would push the progressives and far left reactionaries further into the shadows.

I don't think he has the strength of character to do that.

narciso said...

Shes a fraud in different ways:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/she-lied-kamala-harris-says-she-was-in-second-integrated-class-in-berkeley-but-yearbok-pictures-prove-shes-lying/

Fen said...

Harris comes off as bitchy and all we need for her to go down

...is to promise her a passing grade on her final?

...is to offer her a corner office with a better view?

I bet Putin looks forward to negotiating with Harris. Put on some Sinatra and wait till she makes that AOC "you promised you wouldn't!" face.

narciso said...

Carter ran against Vietnam so he did he put in as secretary of state, McNamara's deputy.
He also put in blow torch Komer the man behind the Phoenix program

Lurker21 said...

When John Lindsay ran for mayor of New York his slogan was:

"He is fresh and everyone else is tired."

I guess Biden's is:

"He is tired and everyone else is crazy."

mccullough said...

Harris is way too short. Below average height for a woman.

Biden and Sanders are about 6 feet. They towered over Harris. She lost the race right there. She looked like a little girl.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

When a lefty attempts to woo libertarians, it's usually a crock.

Their idea of liberty = drugs pot drugs pot drugs, and little else.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

10:53 — Swalwell: "I'm a father of a 2-year-old and an infant. When I'm not changing diapers, I'm changing Washington. Most of the time, the diapers smell better."

Dude - your own diaper. that's why you smell it all day.

Lurker21 said...

If you see yourself as intensely attached to one party, you are very unlikely to vote for the candidate of the other party, and if you do it's going to be with much disgust and anger. So "How can you possibly vote for Biden (or whoever)?" is a question that answers itself. Convinced Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee, like most convinced Republicans voted for Trump.

Supporting politicians one knows to be flawed and imperfect, and even not very good, is what holds the country together. The country is never more unified than when everybody - even people who voted for them - agreed that Bush or Carter or Johnson or Hoover was a lousy president.

It's when people don't see the flaws in their candidates that the trouble starts.

Henry said...

Reading John's summary, there's two things that stand out:

Buttigieg is not the only veteran running for the Democratic Party nomination. Perhaps he specified the only veteran on the stage.

Another "piss" appearance.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Biden is at least likeable. Obama knew what he was doing.

mccullough said...

Of course, Biden managed to work Dead Son and Dead Daughter and Dead First Wife into his spiel.

Tragic Joe.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

9:33 — Bennet mocks Bernie Sanders for saying private health insurance would be allowed only for "plastic surgery."


9:43 — Hickenlooper says ICE is "kidnapping" children. Williamson agrees and says it's "child abuse." "These are state-sponsored crimes."

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I did NOT watch. But my opinion of Bennett just up-ticked and my opinion of HIckenlooper just bottomed out.

We do not need to make illegal entrants comfortable - so as to welcome more to come. WE need to make illegal entrants understand that it's not worth the trip.

gilbar said...

some said about Jimmy Carter....
and effectively surrender the Cold War to the Soviet Union.

It was far worse than that, he got us closer to nuclear war than anyone ever had
how so? by stripping our military and encouraging the russians to think that we would not be able to do anything if they invaded western europe. If the soviets had done so, our ONLY option would be nuclear conflict. Started by either: US, THEM, the british or the french.

You Want your enemies to KNOW that they will LOSE. Carter let our enemies think they could win

Fernandistein said...

Won't someone think of the upscale landscaping?!?

"Instead, the [immigration] crisis is that rich people in Vail aren’t getting their landscape water features updated as soon or as cheaply as they’d like."

Fen said...

The black woman is likely to be the democrat candidate

The DNC will not allow a black woman to be their democrat candidate, for the same reason Disney chose to cast Capt Marvel as a toxic white chick as their standard bearer, instead of the original, African-American Monica Rambeau

It's my Disney Theory of why Harris has no chance. Say what you will about Disney, but they know their American audience. And they decided a black female leader wouldn't sell.

MayBee said...

I agree. Just give me Biden.

I only watched a little, and it was the part where Harris was tearing into Biden about busing. I misunderstood at first, because I thought it was now commonly thought that busing could have been handled differently. But no, she acted like it was absolutely racist to have been against federal busing. Where I lived, busing was forced on us and it caused a lot of problems because it destroyed neighborhood schools (my elementary school was 1/3 black, so well integrated naturally). And it was the black kids who ended up being bused all the way across the city.

There's also been a push to make Biden seem racist for having worked with segregationists. I guess the idea of working with people on the other side of issues is no longer an admirable thing.

Anyway, my husband is a Dem and he didn't watch the debate, but he saw that clip on CBS This Morning. And then we had a discussion about the way everyone is trying to turn Biden into a horrible racist.
I don't love Biden but it's incredibly unfair. But then, I was racist for not agreeing with Obama on everything.

MayBee said...

They have all totally flipped out about illegal immigration.

Then I had CNN on for a second as I was going to bed. Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo were convincing each other that Trump was lying about there being a border crisis, that people who are pointing out that reporters used to say there was no border crises but now say there is one are lying because it's all different, and there is a border crisis but it's different than the one Trump said there was and other people said there was and also the caravans.

It's all so perplexing.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Fen@6:35AM "Time will tell if Dem voters really believe in the things they lecture us about".

It's been told. They don't give a flying fuck. Not about "the children", not for their country, not for their neighbors. They shove Sanctuary Cities up our asses, but won't allow the illegals that they are agitating to move there. They defy the president's efforts to restore order at the border, and they ridiculed declarations of emergency, then some picture of a dead kid turns up and they all year into Trump and Republicans as if they weren't responsible entirely for the very existence of the "migrant caravans".

The democrat party is actively responsible for this invasion of the American border, and they are actively responsible for the Muslim invasion of Europe during the Obama administration.

The democrat party of the United States of America is directly responsible for the millions and millions of refugees invading sovereign Western nations. They are stupid mean people led by devious wicked people. And they don't give a fuck.

Jeff Brokaw said...

Doubling down again — continuing trend above — on how bad Carter was: one of the 5 worst presidents in history.

Definitely the wrong man for that time. Possibly for any time.

Reagan should have been the GOP nominee in 76 and would have saved us four years of malaise, a shitty economy, a weakened military and emboldened geopolitical enemies like the Soviets and later Iran — but the Stupid Party thought Ford was the guy to go to war with!?!?

GOP leadership SUCKS for decades now. The only great GOP presidents since WWII are Ike, Reagan, and Trump, and all three of them were great leaders in other arenas *first*. Might want to study up on that phenomenon, GOP.

Tina Trent said...

The moderator attacked Biden because she thought he didn't raise his hand as high as the rest of them for free healthcare for illegals. This is the future the Democratic Party is planning for you: you will be punished for not being enthusiastic enough while being re-educated.

Politically, the first primary is California. The only question is this: will whiteness sink Joe or will prosecutorialness sink Kamala?

Why does nobody remember that Marilyn Williamson made money screwing AIDS patients with her fake New Age cures in the Eighties?

rightguy said...

It sounds like John will vote for the donk, no matter who that might be.

I think he should ponder why current day democrat politics has produced this two day shit show of mediocrity and stupidity, such that Biden seems the least distasteful.

robother said...

Joe Biden's chief of staff has officially denied that Biden's staff is freaking out over his performance in the debate. (Apparently the freakout reported in the WaPo was due to some bad acid someone slipped into the watch party punch.)

narciso said...

It's possible, consider the audience,

chickelit said...

Kamala Harris has real life persecutorial experience and that is what the left and its real leaders are in a mood for now. So Harris it will be. She made it clear that she won't cooperate with Biden under any circumstances and so the coming weeks will see a concerted effort to destroy him to make way for her.

Kevin said...

And I think what happened in my head was: Okay, just give me Biden.

Biden keeps telling the "fine people" lie.

His closing argument begins: Thank you very much. I am running to leave this country because I think it is important we restore the soul of this nation. This President has ripped it out. He is the only President in our history who has equated racist and—and white supremacist with ordinary decent people....

narciso said...

Has she convicted anyone actually guilty, that's the other side of the coin.

rightguy said...

All I heard was I'll give you more free stuff than the others, and not only that, I'll give more free stuff to illegal aliens than the others.

Where does it all end ? Free pot for everyone ? Zero hour work weeks ?

Jeff Brokaw said...

Speaking of leaders, how many great leaders have the Dems given us in the last 100 years or so? It’s by far the most important trait of a president — far more than intelligence, for example which is way overrated. Intelligence without leadership is exactly who Carter was.

Clinton? Not really. Great with people and charismatic but not a leader. Too much polling to drive policy.

Obama? Hmmm. It would seem so but I would say no — he had too many tailwinds helping him: diversity, worshipful media, academics, DC establishment, etc. It was more about his supporters elevating him than his intrinsic leadership. Plus: he cannot even speak intelligently when off-TelePrompTer. Nope.

JFK? Probably. Again, showed leadership before becoming president in other domains, although his actual military accomplishments may have been overstated. Still, seems like a Yes — he didn’t cause WWIII in 1962, and that’s worth something.

Truman? Yes. Anyone who puts a sign that says “The buck stops here” on their desk is doing something right.

FDR? Yes. Don’t like his ideas but he led the country for 12 years through horrific times. Re-elected 3 times. Only real leaders can do that

Hoover? Nope. Wilson? Possibly. Debatable I guess.

Anyway, food for thought.

narciso said...

The yellow vest riots is where it ends when gas is a $7.00 gallon

chickelit said...

Fernandistein said...Won't someone think of the upscale landscaping?!?

and linked:

Instead, the [immigration] crisis is that rich people in Vail aren’t getting their landscape water features updated as soon or as cheaply as they’d like.

Great example of of how disgusting rich white people can be. A+

narciso said...

You got that backward by not pulling the trigger at the bay of pigs, (which I have a little insight with) he insured the missile crisis

Kevin said...

The whole night boiled down to one question, which happened right after everyone just got done saying climate change was an existential crisis which we only have 10-12 years to stop:

President Obama, in his first year, wanted to address both healthcare and climate and he could only get one signature issue accomplished. It was, obviously, healthcare. He didn’t get to do climate change. You may only get one shot and your first issue that you’re going to push—you get one shot that it may be the only thing you get passed, what is that first issue for your presidency?

Out of the 10 people on the stage, only 2 said climate change. And those two were Bennet and Hickenlooper.

Eight, if they could only do one thing, would do something else.

chickelit said...

Where does it all end ? Free pot for everyone ? Zero hour work weeks ?

It ends like it ends in Pinnochio for the boys on Pleasure Island. After the election.

Tommy Duncan said...

The candidates last night resembled a nest of excited young robins, with their heads tilted back and mouths open while wildly chirping for a worm. It was unwatchable.

narciso said...

So it's ironic that Biden got out demagogues by a smoother more effective race baiter.

PhilD said...

"Sanders, seeming to draw inspiration from President Eisenhower, says he'll fight "the military-industrial complex."

That's funny because every socialist workers paradise is/was a military complex served by a militarized society.

Browndog said...

Kamala Harris said she would not allow States to enact any law that affects abortion rights unless approved by "my DOJ".

Think about that one for a second.

Bay Area Guy said...

Ok,ok,ok, Jimmy Carter sucked more than I thought he sucked, jeez!

But he's still better than these twerps. Eric Swalwell? Andrew Yang? Bernie Sanders, the crazy old Communist, Sandinista lover?

These folks are a joke.

mikee said...

To Hell with Biden. Even if he is the least obnoxious of the vile bunch, both nights. To accept Biden is to accept the 8 years of the Obama administration as something to be allowed again. To Hell with that!

Jeff Brokaw said...

Yes Bay of Pigs was a giant screwup, agreed. So JFK gets dinged for that. Still, had the vision to commit to a man on the moon by the end of the decade. Lots of benefits flowed from that program.

wholelottasplainin' said...

chickelit said...
Kamala Harris has real life **** persecutorial ****experience and that is what the left and its real leaders are in a mood for now. So Harris it will be. She made it clear that she won't cooperate with Biden under any circumstances and so the coming weeks will see a concerted effort to destroy him to make way for her.
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Yep. You got THAT right!!!!

Have you heard Harris's new campaign slogan?

"Legs up! Don't shoot!"

Jim at said...

A smart ROKU channel would ask, "Why are you still watching?

Bilwick said...

Mercifully, I still can't get NBC on my non-cable tv set; but on the news, on another channel, it said Biden accused Trump of creating or promoting "income inequality." Now, when I think of economics expertise, the two names that come to mind are Joe Biden and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez; so I am wondering if Slow Joe detailed how Trump accomplished that. And why is it a bad thing? And has there ever been a time in human history when incomes weren't unequal?

I am of extremely modest means myself, and it doesn't bother me in te slightest if someone has more money than me.

chickelit said...

She [Harris] made it clear that she won't cooperate with Biden under any circumstances and so the coming weeks will see a concerted effort to destroy him to make way for her.

But that space cleared by removing Biden will not be so easily filled by Harris. I predict that she will become even more polarizing than Hillary, given her embrace of open borders, free healthcare for illegals, destruction of ICE, not to mention the enormous chip on her shoulder regarding race. Really, who wants more of that?

RMc said...

Sanders, seeming to draw inspiration from President Eisenhower, says he'll fight "the military-industrial complex."

Fun fact: Sanders was an adult when Eisenhower left office.