September 26, 2018

Julie Swetnick "said she witnessed Judge Kavanaugh... lining up outside a bedroom where 'numerous boys' were 'waiting for their "turn" with a girl inside the room.'"

"Ms. Swetnick said she was raped at one of the parties, and she believed she had been drugged. None of Ms. Swetnick’s claims could be independently corroborated by The New York Times, and her lawyer, Michael Avenatti, declined to make her available for an interview.... Unlike two other women who have accused Judge Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, one who went to college with him and another who went to a sister high school, Ms. Swetnick offered no explanation in her statement of how she came to attend the same parties, nor did she identify other people who could verify her account.... In her statement, Ms. Swetnick said that she met Judge Kavanaugh and Mr. Judge in 1980 or 1981 when she was introduced to them at a house party in the Washington are... She said she attended at least 10 house parties in the Washington area from 1981 to 1983 where the two were present. She said the parties were common, taking place almost every weekend during the school year. She said she observed Judge Kavanaugh drinking 'excessively' at many of the parties and engaging in 'abusive and physically aggressive behavior toward girls, including pressing girls against him without their consent, "grinding" against girls, and attempting to remove or shift girls’ clothing to expose private body parts. I also witnessed Brett Kavanaugh behave as a "mean drunk" on many occasions at these parties.'"

The NYT reports today.

If the allegations are true, there must be many, many other witnesses. Where have they been all these weeks? And why would she go to "at least 10 house parties" if they were as she described?

The NYT suggests there's a gap in the account because Swetnick doesn't say how she got to go to the same parties as Kavanaugh. We're told Swetnick grew up in Montgomery County, Md., and graduated from Gaithersburg High School — a public school — in 1980 and attended the University of Maryland. That puts her in a less elite crowd. She's also 2 years older than Kavanaugh and graduated from high school 3 years before he did, so it makes it a little hard to picture them at the same parties. Did older, state-college women go to parties with prep school boys years younger than them? If they did and the boys raped them, repeatedly and systematically, how could the boys get away with it, and why are there not many more women coming forward with the same allegations? And why are we getting this through Michael Avenatti?

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chuck said...

Did older, state-college women go to parties with prep school boys years younger than them?

Only when they wanted to get raped.

tim in vermont said...

Actual “rapists” identified as “others” in her affidavit. Only the two famous guys have names. I am sorry. I don’t buy it. I could be wrong, but this stinks of Rolling Stone, Duke Lacrosse

Fernandistein said...

"Further allegations of an increasingly salacious nature followed."

Jersey Fled said...

Simple answer: because she made it all up.

Unknown said...

Does anyone find anything this woman is saying about Brett Kavanaugh or these parties credible? At all? I'm really at a loss that anyone would think this really happened. Next she's going to be saying that she was on a glass table and it broke underneath her and she had deep cuts and was there for hours.

Darrell said...

What a great memory! She didn't know him from Adam and she still recognized him almost forty years later! I wish I could do that. And he wasn't even one of her sex partners. Amazing!

walter said...

"Where have they been all these weeks?"

Decades

Ficta said...

I think she's conflating Whit Stillman's Metropolitan with her actual life. And even in the movie, the "train" incident turned out to be a lie...

sparrow said...

Each new accusation is less credible than the last.

tim in vermont said...

I think that not only should they vote to confirm, but RBG should be impeached for being appointed by an actual rapist.

holdfast said...

Maybe she was there to commit statutory lesbian rape on the drunk girls? Easy pickings, presumably.

iowan2 said...

President Trump must be on the right track about the FBI. They are incompetent. 6 background checks and none of those agents, who make the career doing back ground checks ever asked his college roommate about Kavanaugh's drinking habits. And somehow couldn't sniff out drugged girls pulling rape trains every weekend at house parties around DC. Why are we paying these incompetent FBI agents?

MikeR said...

It's become insane. After two allegations that were invisible and impossible to disprove, now we have a _huge_ one, terribly disqualifying. The person making the accusation has numerous government clearances. And the accusation sounds completely wrong, completely unbelievable.

I was afraid of this. I and others have been afraid that anyone is now vulnerable to just anyone showing up with completely imaginary accusations. But these days people want to see multiple accusations - that's the real evidence!
But in this kind of case, what's the difference? If you can find a woman from all the people who ever knew Kavanaugh slightly who is willing to lie to protect Roe v. Wade, you can find five women as well.
I am Spartacus! I was attacked by Brett Kavanaugh!

Rob McLean said...

Each new accusation is less credible than the last.

And more hysterical. I fully expect Kavanaugh's former classmate's father's brother's barber's psychiatrist's bookie's sister to claim that the Judge shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

Lucid-ides said...

Each new accusation is less credible than the last

I noticed that too...

Yup. After reading the statement I'm calling it.

Whole cloth...

As in made entirely out of...

Fernandistein said...

I saw Goody Proctor with the devil!

Er, I meant, "I observed Brett Kavanaugh 'grinding' against girls!"

FIDO said...

Why don't you believe this woman the same way you do Ford, who has just as much substance to her claims?

Is it her husband hasn't corroborated that she was upset yet?

It doesn't help your credulity that you still refuse to bring that cruel neutrality against Ford.

Dave Begley said...

This is the most ridiculous and absurd thing ever. Creepy Porn Lawyer drafted that affidavit so that it would not be subject to a perjury rap. CPL needs to pay a steep, steep price. Disbarment is the first step.

Judge Kavanaugh has the libel case of all time against these people.

In the 90's, Omaha was consumed with rumors of what was known as the Franklin Credit Union scandal. A young woman thought she would be a lesser sentence and a big book and money deal if she spun a crazy tale about sex and drug parties with important Omaha people. She testified under oath that she had sex numerous time with the Omaha police chief. She said he had no scars on his body. He had a major arm scar from a bone graft due to a gunshot wound. She spent years in jail. State v. Owen, 1 Neb. App. 1060, 510 N.W.2d 503 (1993). These liars all deserve this.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Ficta said...
I think she's conflating Whit Stillman's Metropolitan with her actual life. And even in the movie, the "train" incident turned out to be a lie...

Or the Cosby trial; since she's claiming she was drugged and raped.

Rabel said...

Ms Swetnick's allegations raise multiple questions that demand a response.

1. Did she hear the train a comin'?

2. Was it the last train?

3. Did the train keep a-rollin' all night long?

4. Was anyone high on cocaine?

5. Was it a mail train, baby, and did it make you cry?

Fernandistein said...

Each new accusation is less credible than the last

The same as it ever was, in 1690.

Or 1984.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

If they did and the boys raped them, repeatedly and systematically, how could the boys get away with it, and why are there not many more women coming forward with the same allegations?

If it happened so regularly, why did no one go to the police in say,...1982?

Amadeus 48 said...

Avenatti for the prosecution: the man and the hour have come together. In a world where the best is like the worst, Mike Avenatti strides fearlessly forward to bring the psychologically disturbed into the public square.
Chuck Schumer is going to personally nominate Mike Avenatti for the Nobel Prize in something or other. America has room for this sociopath: the media will be sure he is heard.

Lucid-ides said...

I saw Goody Proctor with the devil!

I swear at this point I would not be surprised if a 4th victim came out named Abigail Williams. Or an anagram of Abigail Williams...oooooh surely a sign of WITCHCRAFT!!!

tim in vermont said...

The only detail so far that lends any credibility, and even it is problematic, was that Ford wore a one piece swimsuit under her clothes. A wise precaution if this stuff was going on, but it raises, raises, not “begs”, the question of why go to the parties?

Tomcc said...

Wasn't that a scene from "I Claudius"?

Susan said...

And not a single one of these ridiculous allegations would be coming out if only he were pro-choice.

Jim at said...

The FBI knew all of this ... each and every time during their six, previous background investigations on Kavanaugh.

Thank God we have Michael Avenatti around to expose the cover-up.

He is my hero.

RK said...

Can you come up with more realistic sex act, please? This is as believable as the UVA gang rape on a broken glass coffee table.

walter said...

6. Are you going off the rails on this Crazy Train?

Connie said...

What a horrible human being. If I am to believe this person, they as a college student go to high school parties and see all kinds of young girls being drugged and gang raped, weekend after weekend, but tell absolutely no one! Helps no one. Stops nothing. Just comes back for more until it is finally her turn? What an incredibly awful, rotten piece of trash. No wonder she can't find a friend to back this nonsense up.

LilyBart said...

We now have a pattern for the effective destruction of an innocent person: Send successive waves of accusations at a person, none of them corroborated, none of them substantiated, but coming at close enough intervals that the people hearing them cannot process them by the time the next comes up. At some point, the impression that these must have some basis in truth is left with the public.

I think in most circumstances, the average person has enough integrity to refuse to participate, but # resistance and the protection of Roe has driven people over the edge.

LilyBart said...


Goody Kavanaugh cast a spell on me!!!

Lyssa said...

There are a lot of reasons to question this. A Lot. But she seems to be a real person, with security clearances, who swore to some things which should be at least somewhat falsifiable. It’s hard to imagine that someone would do that with an absolute lie. There’s got to be some sort of investigation, even if it’s just to ask her some tough questions and find out if she can give any other names (victims, perps, or witnesses). There’s no explaation here that doesn’t involve something seriously wrong, and we need to know what it is.

I know that defamation against a public figure is a hard case, but if she can’t give a satisfactory answer to those questions, it would be a travesty for Kav not to make a case against her, Av, or both. This is all very disturbing.

LilyBart said...

Goody Kavanaugh cast a spell on me!!!

RK said...

I want Kavanaugh's mom to testify about whether she ever caught him masturbating when he was a teen.

LilyBart said...

And why are we getting this through Michael Avenatti?

If her story had merit - was credible - she'd definitely have better representation.

tim in vermont said...

There was that time the pages of the bra section of the Sears Catalog were stuck together.

Jim at said...

It’s hard to imagine that someone would do that with an absolute lie.

Why? If there are no consequences for said liars, they'll keep on lying.

Ken B said...

You can always find desperate or confused people. The real questions are not about her story, which is absurd, but about why it works.

Rob said...

She was gang raped in 1982, but continued to attend the house parties through 1983. What a trouper!

bagoh20 said...

"Julie Swetnick "said she witnessed Judge Kavanaugh... lining up outside a bedroom where 'numerous boys' were 'waiting for their "turn" with a girl inside the room.'"

Maybe she was tutoring. A lot of guys need help with the women's studies homework. That stuff does not come natural to us.

Rick said...

who swore to some things which should be at least somewhat falsifiable.

Not really. the affidavit (available on twitchy) shows the accusations are carefully weasel worded to leave the impression Kavanaugh was the ringleader while making no specific accusation. Swetnick claims to have been gang raped but does not identify anyone as the perp. She merely claims Kavanaugh was in line at other times similar to how other waited in line to rape her.

It doesn't change the insanity of the accusations but it protects her from perjury charges.

tim in vermont said...

It’s hard to imagine that someone would do that with an absolute lie

Is there anything actually provable or disprovable in the document? Look at the stakes. Look at her position, a member of the Deep State. I am not saying she’s lying, but she is not acting like somebody telling the truth. She won’t even name her fucking rapists.

Paul Zrimsek said...

And why are we getting this through Michael Avenatti?

Because Saul Goodman is no longer available.

Hari said...

"If the allegations are true, there must be many, many other witnesses. Where have they been all these weeks?"

Kavanaugh turned them into newts.

What about Swetnick?

She got better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYO0joolR0

Lyssa said...

I did hear a couple rumors about drunk girls and “the train” when I was in high school. They weren’t girls I knew more then in passing, and there were no suggestions that it was non-consensual (in the one that most sticks with me, as it unfortunately included a then-recent ex, the story was that she specifically called for it) though I am sure that those incidents would be considered rape by many present-day standards.

Big Mike said...

FWIW, back in the 1980s the Post never mentioned Montgomery County without putting the word “affluent” in front of the name.

Rabel said...

There's only one person getting gang raped here.

Fernandistein said...

anagram of Abigail Williams

I'll Aim Labia Wigs.

Yancey Ward said...

Next week, it will someone who claimed Kavanaugh turned her into a newt.

mccullough said...

19 year old women fuck 25 year old guys, not 15 year old guys.

tim in vermont said...

even if it’s just to ask her some tough questions and find out if she can give any other names (victims, perps, or witnesses)

Obviously the only two people she knew at these parties were the two boys who were to become famous.

madAsHell said...

Bullshit!! Did the letter conclude with the "Name and address withheld by request"?

Darrell said...

If Kavanaugh was lined up, why didn't he take a turn?
Did the egg timer go off?

LilyBart said...


We have entered the "Satan's Little Daycare" phase of this particular circus.

LilyBart said...

Rabel said...There's only one person getting gang raped here.

Seems that way.

Yancey Ward said...

Ms. Althouse, I would hope, at least at this point in time, that all your questions are rhetorical ones. Are they?

Shouting Thomas said...

I spent my life in the music biz, so I knew a lot of whores, both the volunteer and the professional varieties.

Some women really love double penetration and gang banging, and I mean sane women who get up the next morning and go to work and go on with their lives. DP and gang banging produces an incredible whoregasm. It's addictive for any woman who experiences it.

Doesn't everybody know this? Why is everybody pretending they don't? It's a staple of porn.

I suspect the "accuser" has been whacking off to this fantasy for so long that she can't tell whether or not her memories are real.

The Crack Emcee said...

"If the allegations are true, there must be many, many other witnesses. Where have they been all these weeks? And why would she go to "at least 10 house parties" if they were as she described?"

Because this was normal behavior for them. Kids don't usually know what's weird, because they got nothing to compare it to, but home life. It's only later, in hindsight, they can say "Whoa" and realize they dodged a bullet.

Witnesses would also have to see it as "bad" for it to register. If they were laughing along? Forgetaboutit.

tim in vermont said...

Another name would give a way to check out the story. Even that lying slut Juanita Broaddrick gave a bunch of names who swore to her story under threat of prison for lying to investigators.

Mr. D said...

Tomorrow's revelations will involve rebar, kendo sticks, yellow highlighting markers, a pallet of Earl Grey tea, and just a dollop of Miracle Whip. We will learn Brett Kavanugh used all these in vile combinations on nubile exchange students from Equatorial Guinea, all while stalking the Eastern Shore naked from the waist down, but wearing a Colonel Mustard pith helmet and "I've got your Piltdown Man right here, pal" t-shirt. Avenatti has already secured a sworn affidavit.

mccullough said...

“The NY Times reports . . . “

Those of us who wrote off this rag years ago now are vindicated.

It’s Like a Rolling Stone now.

They should get a horoscope page and a tip line for Elvis Sightings and Alien Abductions.

Amadeus 48 said...

If this delays Kavanaugh's confirmation, it has succeeded.

This story is so preposterous on its face that it is the equivalent of a crank letter describing an invasion by spacemen. (In other words, Joy Behar will believe it). And if it works, we'll get more of it in the future.

Remember pizzagate? This is like that.

mezzrow said...

So then, if we are here today what will tomorrow look like? Plus baseball and a pennant race.

So much excitement. And teen gang rape. From the previous millennium. We've come a long way from a pubic hair on a Coke can.

Roy Jacobsen said...

And why are we getting this through Michael Avenatti?

Occam's Razor applies here quite nicely: He's the bottom-most of bottom-feeding, opportunistic, shyster attorneys, the sort Dick the Butcher was talking about.

Shouting Thomas said...

Now, add to the common porn fantasies of DP and gang banging the usual desire of women to pin the blame for their sexual actions on men, and what do you get?

Lyssa said...

Rick, I disagree that the weasel words should prevent a perjury or defamation case. They are definitely there, but there’s a clear statement that certain things happened, for which she should be able to give some names, and that he was involved in some way with some horrible behavior. It can’t be possible that that’s not clearly intended to defame and mislead (if it can’t be supported).

What a shit show.

mccullough said...

We are now in the The Billionaire Boys Club stage of the accusations.

LYNNDH said...

Unbelievable! Yet there are Republican Senators calling for her to be heard. Just shaking my head.

Rick said...

I did hear a couple rumors about drunk girls and “the train” when I was in high school.

In a population of hundreds of millions anything you can think of has likely happened at one time or another. But the likelihood of any particular "train" story being invented rather than real (consensual or not) is at least 10 to 1, probably 100 to 1, and maybe 10,000 to 1. Kids can be cruel and starting this type of rumor is the kind of thing which would strike a certain kind of kid as funny - particularly if he had some kind of animosity toward the target.

Unknown said...

By this sentence, NYT seems to claim the "other two" Kavanaugh accusers have identified other people who could verify their account: "Unlike two other women who have accused Judge Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, one who went to college with him and another who went to a sister high school, Ms. Swetnick offered no explanation in her statement of how she came to attend the same parties, nor did she identify other people who could verify her account."

Did I miss something? Other witnesses have been named but none have verified either account. Right?

Darrell said...

Too bad these rich kids didn't have video cameras. I guess they were new and extremely popular. Rich kids never have anything like that.

Bay Area Guy said...

Think about her claim:

1. When I was in college 37 years ago, I was gang-raped at a party by high school boys.

2. I'm not saying Brett Kavanaugh did it.

3. But I saw him do other things like spike the punch, grind up against girls, and he was present at the party where I was gang-raped.

* * *
This is pitiful. Not that she was gang-raped, but that she would attribute it Kavanaugh. At least Anita Hill knew Clarence Thomas. This just smacks of scurrilous lies by some crazy cat woman coming out the woodworks. Avenatti's representation doesn't help.


FullMoon said...

She said she observed Judge Kavanaugh drinking 'excessively' at many of the parties and engaging in 'abusive and physically aggressive behavior toward girls, including pressing girls against him without their consent, "grinding" against girls, and attempting to remove or shift girls’ clothing to expose private body parts. I also witnessed Brett Kavanaugh behave as a "mean drunk" on many occasions at these parties.'"

There is only one solution now.
Get Kavanaugh drunk in a room ful of women and record his behavior. If he becomes a "mean drunk, he is out.

Jake said...

Good points, professor. I'll tell you though, over on Reddit in /r/Politics, they've already convicted Kavanaugh on these new claims. The evidence they cite is Swetnick's declaration para. 9 discussing "Beach Week." This is apparently corroborated by Kavanaugh's calendar that also references "Beach Week."

Yancey Ward said...

I wasn't joking when I wrote that by the first week of October, Kavanaugh would be accused of killing someone- it is only a matter of time.

There is a madness in the land, and it will take a person of good character and courage to put a stop to this. I read Jeff Flake's statement from earlier today, and though many progressives were chortling about it and many conservatives derisive, I read it as a direct rebuke to Flake's Democratic colleagues, not his Republican ones. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Tomorrow's revelations will involve rebar, kendo sticks, yellow highlighting markers, a pallet of Earl Grey tea, and just a dollop of Miracle Whip.

Don't leave out the robots, the clowns, and the secret room.

Gahrie said...

Wait, there were weekly gang bangs going on for years and nobody's parent ever figured it out?

Trumpit said...

Avenatti seems sleazy to me. However, I believe the first accuser; her testimony tomorrow will cement it in the publics mind. Then Kavanaugh will have been properly borked. What other demon will Trump nominate? I oppose him/her in advance. Trump's fraudulent erection to the presidency should not mean the common people are raped repeatedly by him. He is infected with herpes, AIDS, gonorrhea, and syphilis. Trump tweets a lot of claptrap.

The Crack Emcee said...

I can't tell you how many house parties I attended that ended in gunfire. Did I stop going? Hell no. I got smarter over the years, but, I still think of those parties fondly. People also used to slow dance back then. And there was bare-knuckle fighting by heavyweights who cut the air, loudly, when they swung. There's nothing like it anymore.

Y'all maybe forgot what it's like to be a kid on the loose.



Renee said...

How did this get so out of hand?

tim in vermont said...

This is apparently corroborated by Kavanaugh’s calendar that also references "Beach Week."

That only works if Kavanaugh’s calandar hadn’t been public and available to anybody who needed to “refresh” their memory. As it is now, it proves nothing without more corroboration.

eddie willers said...

How did this get so out of hand?

Democrats.

Fernandistein said...

At least three fake witnesses "came out" against Proctor in the Salem trials, out of 2,000 people (or maybe only 500 people), so I expect at least another 480,000 witnesses to speak up about seeing Kavanaugh standing in line with the Devil.

Sally327 said...

As I remember the early 80s, it wasn't that difficult for teenage boys to get laid. I mean, probably not as much as they would want but this was pre AIDs and post-the pill and the launching of women's lib and love-ins (the 60s) and all that. So anyway, while it's maybe possible that there were a group of prep school boys who preferred raping girls to having sex with willing partners, it doesn't seem all that credible.

Darrell said...

Y'all maybe forgot what it's like to be a kid on the loose.

Or we are white, or some such.

Lyssa said...

Rick, re: rumors of the train, for the second one I mentioned, I heard the rumor first, then the ex who was involved confirmed it when I confronted him, so I’m pretty sure that at least something like it was true. (There we’re big, complicated high school reasons why this was a serious betrayal to me, so he had no reason to lie in confirming it.)

Hey, maybe he’ll run for office some day! Ugh.

tim in vermont said...

As I remember the early 80s, it wasn't that difficult for teenage boys to get laid. I mean, probably not as much as they would want but this was pre AIDs and post-the pill

Yeah, the joke at the time was that the brothels had all been put out of business.

tcrosse said...

Y'all maybe forgot what it's like to be a kid on the loose.

We had fathers to keep us in line.

Arashi said...

It got this far because the Democrats really want to be back in power, so they are going the scorched earth policy a la General Guderian . Now the rest of us just need to fall back and wait for winter.

Darrell said...

Tomorrow: Cannibal parties!

Francisco D said...

I see no reason to even entertain these increasingly bizarre stories.

The MSM/DNC complex is trying to convey a sense of smoke around Kavanaugh, so they can say that where there is smoke there is fire.

It's just another chapter in the same playbook. Haven't they been trying to convey a sense of chaos in the Whtie House. My guess is that the Russia Collusion hoax is failing apart and this is their backup.

The evil cynicism of the MSM/DNC complex cannot be underestimated.

Rick said...

I disagree that the weasel words should prevent a perjury or defamation case.

What she specifically alleged of Kavanaugh is that he fondled, grabbed, grinded, or tried to shift girls clothing to expose breasts [plus drinking accusations not germane]. Who can prove that never occurred at any party 35 years ago? Once you switch to defamation the burden of proof is on the other foot, not to mention proving a negative is near impossible anyway.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

"Schumer and the Con Artists"

--Donald Trump

so stealing that.

Freeman Hunt said...

"The house parties were terrible! Gang rapes constantly! I only went to ten."

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Bill Crawford said...

Are we supposed to take these seriously but not literally? Or literally but not seriously?

FullMoon said...

Lyssa said...

I did hear a couple rumors about drunk girls and “the train” when I was in high school. They weren’t girls I knew more then in passing, and there were no suggestions that it was non-consensual (in the one that most sticks with me, as it unfortunately included a then-recent ex, the story was that she specifically called for it) though I am sure that those incidents would be considered rape by many present-day standards.


In eighth grade, a female classmate wanted to be included in a "gang" of five of six boys. They said she would have to fuck all of them. She agreed. Don't think it actually happened, though.

In high school, I knew a girl who was initiated into a girls gang by having sex with multiple boys.

Looking back, these girls can easily make the case they were coerced and raped.

Not meaning these anecdotes to have anything to do with Kavanaugh or accusers.

Bad Lieutenant said...

We're told Swetnick grew up in Montgomery County, Md., and graduated from Gaithersburg High School — a public school — in 1980 and attended the University of Maryland. That puts her in a less elite crowd. She's also 2 years older than Kavanaugh and graduated from high school 3 years before he did, so it makes it a little hard to picture them at the same parties.


I have it! I have the answer!

Chippie No. 3 was the talent! The entertainment! She was a stripper hired for the parties! Like Crystal Mangum!

That's why she was there
That's why she kept coming
That's why she was silent
That's why she pulled the train
AND
That's why Althouse doesn't believe her!
Because she was low class and her sexuality was not pure enough for Emerita!

OMG OMG I'm going to be rich! Pay me Soros!

n.n said...

Tomorrow: Cannibal parties!

Ah, recycled-child or clinical cannibalism. Planned Parenthood, main floor, left of the abortion clinic.

David Begley said...

DiFi started this disaster. Some one needs to call her out by name.

Fernandistein said...

Tags: Feminista witch hunt.

LilyBart said...

“None of Ms. Swetnick’s claims could be independently corroborated by The New York Times, and her lawyer, Michael Avenatti, declined to make her available for an interview.

Says the New York Times

Sebastian said...

"Did older, state-college women go to parties with prep school boys years younger than them? If they did and the boys raped them, repeatedly and systematically, how could the boys get away with it, and why are there not many more women coming forward with the same allegations? And why are we getting this through Michael Avenatti?"

You are still treating the allegations as actual claims. They aren't: they are tools. They are meant to achieve a political purpose. By their very nature they tell you the Dems don't give a damn about truth, fairness, or the American way.

They don't really care about you either, but just a little: they need your feminine outrage at women's "subordination" and they need your vote. So far, they had been able to count on you and your sisters, so their gamble has paid off, though I'm getting a sense that the McArdles and Althouses are just beginning to feel a little used and disrespected. I mean, the crap they make you swallow just to save Roe and feel good about "women's rights" is a bit much.

When do you say enough is enough? As long as you don't, the Dems will continue their assault. Simple as that.

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Arashi said...

Has no one noticed this all smacks of a redo of the McMartin pre-school bullshit from the 1980's, but with a #metoo flavor?

Michael K said...

But she seems to be a real person, with security clearances, who swore to some things which should be at least somewhat falsifiable.

She is a DSA member who "can't be fired" as we have already seen in Project Veritas videos.

"Beach Week" happens at the same time each year.

The affidavit was lawyerly. I still expect her history will appear even though she also deleted all her social media stuff.

The first I've heard is that she has big tax liens. Hmmm IRS employee ? Got it.

policraticus said...

My disgust for this process is now maxed out.

So many lies for such a petty cause.

Our descendants will look back on this a shame like that Nathaniel Hawthorne felt toward his ancestor. At least Kavanaugh won't swing for his heresy.

Big Mike said...

If the allegations are true, there must be many, many other witnesses. Where have they been all these weeks? [Emphasis added]

@Althouse, congratulations on reinventing the scientific method. If the theory is true, then we should see this other thing. The “other thing” is called a prediction. The prediction is not observed, ergo the theory is wrong.

RigelDog said...

Next week, it will be revealed that the Martin Mull Humming Song was actually written by Kavanaugh. "Last night I took you home and--hmmhmmhmm--Only seventeen, hmmhmmhmm. Rubber shirts, hmmhmmhmm, leather skirts, hmmhmmhmm, and a quart of Valvaleen...mayonnaise, and rope...

n.n said...

At least three fake witnesses "came out" against Proctor in the Salem trials, out of 2,000 people

There's always physical evidence and science as independent witness, but its accuracy is inversely proportional to time and space.

Michael K said...

Blogger Arashi said...
Has no one noticed this all smacks of a redo of the McMartin pre-school bullshit from the 1980's, but with a #metoo flavor?


More like the movie "Risky Business," which came out about that time.

Anonymous said...

That the NYT is scoffing at this women's accusation is marvelous. Thy may have downplayed the lack of corroboration in the other two cases because that has been widely acknowledged and the NYT is not one to rub it in. (!)

Lindsey Graham today said something worth repeating. To paraphrase: he said essentially that this was an additional insult to his intelligence. I suspect that most of the Republican senators have gotten to that point.

I admit that, like many others, I will be surprised if Ford actually testifies. Maybe the incentive pay to actually testify is high enough for her to risk the charge of "false statements", or maybe she has self-hypnotized and believes what she has been selling.

Arashi said...

Nobody got destroyed in Risky Business. The hysteria around the McMartin pre-school allegations went nation wide and destroyed many.

FullMoon said...

Jake said...

Good points, professor. I'll tell you though, over on Reddit in /r/Politics, they've already convicted Kavanaugh on these new claims. The evidence they cite is Swetnick's declaration para. 9 discussing "Beach Week." This is apparently corroborated by Kavanaugh's calendar that also references "Beach Week."

9/26/18, 4:32 PM


Those people on Reddit are thousands of Ingas. They will believe the headline and follow the leader. Reading the comments will make you believe in Russian trolls influencing the electorate. Not sure how many are of voting age, though.
/r/politics one of several that banned me for innocuous comments

Rabel said...

"Has no one noticed this all smacks of a redo of the McMartin pre-school bullshit from the 1980's, but with a #metoo flavor?"

Yeah, dozens of commenters right here on Althouse for several days in a row. You should read others' comments if you expect us to read yours.

Amadeus 48 said...

When we look back at this, I think we are going to see that Kavanaugh's principal vulnerability was his apparent fondness for beer expressed openly in his high school senior yearbook, together with his friendship with Mike Judge, who wrote quite graphically about his struggles with alcoholism, including blackouts. Using these keys the Dems built a flimsy edifice around a woman with psychological problems (Ford) who had a history with a therapist of describing a sexual assault that occurred when Kavanaugh was in high school. The details retroactively were shaped to focus on Judge and Kavanaugh, and the witnesses appeared in sequence.

It is the perfect Ben Rhodes operation.

tim in vermont said...

“We never hung out with anyone from Gaithersburg High School, there was never any drug use at our parties, and the fact that she is coming out and saying that is such an insult to Brett and to all of us,” McCaleb said.

“It makes our community look bad and our reputation, and Brett was just not like that ever. No one was.”

Swetnick is represented by lawyer Michael Avenatti, who also represented porn star Stormy Daniels
. - The Signal

Gahrie said...

As I remember the early 80s, it wasn't that difficult for teenage boys to get laid. I mean, probably not as much as they would want but this was pre AIDs and post-the pill

Yeah, but if I had ever suggested friends with benefits, or asked a girl to send me a nude picture of herself I would have been slapped and dumped in a heart beat.

Night Owl said...

"Actual “rapists” identified as “others” in her affidavit. Only the two famous guys have names. I am sorry. I don’t buy it. I could be wrong, but this stinks of Rolling Stone, Duke Lacrosse"


What Tim said. Can she remember the names of the actual rapists? Because if she can't then why should I believe anything she claims to remember?

FullMoon said...

Tomorrow's revelations will involve rebar, kendo sticks, yellow highlighting markers, a pallet of Earl Grey tea, and just a dollop of Miracle Whip.

Miracle Whip? Now, that's fucked up,man. I don't care who you are.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

And why would she go to "at least 10 house parties" if they were as she described?

Exactly!

Hubby and I were discussing this and the first things that came to mind were

1. If you saw all of this why the Hell didn't you report it to someone? Didn't you care!

2. If you went to parties that were having these sexual "events" and you were shocked shocked shocked.....why the fuck would go back to the same parties later. Are you stupid, or were you a willing participant.

3. If this shit was really going down, wouldn't there be SOMEONE else who remembers it, reported it? It would have been a very big deal.

None of this holds any water or any truth to it.

Why are we wasting our time on this?

Unknown said...

Hopefully after Kavanaugh is confirmed, he will use his new found disgust of the democrat party and women in general to hammer the heck out of roe v wade and rule against all feminists and democrats whenever possible. I mean they’ve earned it.

LilyBart said...

policraticus said...
My disgust for this process is now maxed out.


# MeToo

Darrell said...

I wish I had a nickel for every coed I ate.

FullMoon said...

From Best of the Web"

" In a brief interview, Mr. Avenatti said that he had corroborating witnesses who could back up Ms. Swetnick’s accounts, but was not ready to present them as he waited to see if the Senate Judiciary Committee would begin a full investigation into her claims as he demanded, along with an F.B.I. inquiry.

Mr. Avenatti also said he was waiting to hear back from the committee before making Ms. Swetnick available for interviews."

David Begley said...

Amaedeus 48 is correct. The Dems read Mike Judge’s books and figured how to trap Brett Kavanaugh and drag him into these lies.

AJ Lynch said...

Security clearances don't mean much it appears. They must give them out like candy.

Fernandistein said...

A goat stands on the back of a woman wearing see-through black clothing and thigh-high black boots during a party in a Los Angeles, California, U.S., parking garage, September 26, 2018 in this still image

Goat for Senate!

madAsHell said...

What's next?

We're going to hear from the under-age girl inside the room, but she can't be deposed because she was a minor at the time, and shut-up!

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

mccullough said...
19 year old women fuck 25 year old guys, not 15 year old guys.

Unless they're school teachers. Maybe that's why she was there, she was majoring in Education!

Cacimbo Cacimbo said...

Avenatti getting these allegations out there allows news radio like NYC 1010 to keep repeating that a third women has come forward placing Judge Kavanaugh at the scene of gang rapes. The statement tying Kavanaugh to gang rapes is all millions of Americans who do not closely follow the news will ever learn about the allegations. So mission accomplished. And elected Democrats can just say we need to investigate without vouching for this loon.

CStanley said...

"Did older, state-college women go to parties with prep school boys years younger than them?

I agree it’s unlikely but I see a potential trap here, given that this is being tried in the court of public opinion- the trap being that this line of questioning sounds pretty elitist. I realize Althouse is injecting the age difference too, but for example an article at Daily Signal has one of Kavanaugh’s female high school friends saying “I have never heard of her in my life and I do not know one person who went to Gaithersburg High School,” and “We never hung out with anyone from Gaithersburg High School...”

Matthew Sablan said...

Polygraph differs from Feinstein letter. WaPo interview and therapist's notes. Credible accusation.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

I believe he lined the girls up to be systematically raped.

In alphabetical order. It's meticulously entered in his '82 social calendar.

He was quite punctilious as young rapists usually are

Paul said...

If she witnessed this gang rape... why didn't she call the cops?

Francisco D said...

"None of this holds any water or any truth to it. Why are we wasting our time on this?"

See my smoke/fire hypothesis above. It's from the same playbook as the Russia Collusion hoax.

Most people only listen uncritically to the headlines and don't know they are being manipulated.

John Lynch said...

Althouse skepticism meter seems to be working again. Took a few shakes.

Sebastian said...
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Big Mike said...

Judge Kavanaugh has the libel case of all time against these people.

@Dave Begley, Will. Not. Happen. There will be an outcry about “victimizing Swetnick a second time,” and stuff like that, and even Althouse will be hard on board with that sentiment. Kavanaugh will be urged to “let bygones be bygones” and since “he’s on the Court, he should be the bigger person.” Avenatti will skate because he’ll just say he relied on his client.

Sebastian said...

It's all well and good to question the allegations etc. etc. But the circus only works because the Dems think the Collinses and Murkowskis can be turned.

So far, they are right: the Collinses and Murkowskis can be turned cuz women: even Althouse chimed in, even McArdle was inclined to believe Ford and expect an even (!) stronger second allegation. Until women in the middle say no, and Susan Collins shows a spine, we are all f**ed.

Rick said...

McMartin is a good template especially considering the tie-in to fake science. McMartin had recovered memories providing a veneer of evidence.

Today's sex assault hysteria has fake studies alleging an absurd level of sexual assault. American college campuses are alleged to have more sexual assault than the Congo during its civil war when rape was used as a weapon. The difference is that the left intentionally created those propaganda studies to foster exactly this sort of environment. Because the institutions capable of contradicting these propaganda studies have been captured by the very far left ideologues who created the propaganda the farce continues.

Titus said...

At least he didn’t do a guy. That would really piss off the Christianist.

Night Owl said...

This Avenatti story is just another delay tactic and it might work. The stupid party should never have let it go this far. Maybe they thought they could trap the Democrats by calling their bluff regarding Ford, but they forget that the scummy Dems will go as low as is necessary to win.

This is indeed a game of chicken. If the past is any indication the GOP will lose. Trump has the guts to fight back, the GOP, not so much. We will very soon learn what the gop is made of.

DanTheMan said...

Let's give her CBF's two question polygraph?

1) Did you make up any part of your statement?
2) Is any part of your statement false?

I think *Ann Althouse* could make the same rape accusation against Kavenaugh, and "pass" that polygraph with flying colors.

If you don't see how, look again at the questions. Focus on the pronouns.

These questions are very vague, and do not ask any specifics. They don't mention an offense, or an offender.

That's not an oversight.



AustinRoth said...

I fear the wussy’s Republicans will validate these tactics and gutlessly not confirm him. Then the D’s will simply use this methodology on every future SCOTUS nominee from any Republican President, forever.

If they don’t not confirm him, I agree with the strategy of naming Amy Barrett the next day, skipping any hearings whatsoever, and voting on her with 48hours.

In the meantime, run deep background on Kavenaugh, and re-nominate him when RBG kcks the bucketand we have a larger majority in the Senate, which we will after the midterms after this. Any hope of Republican voters feeling complacent have been destroyed by this travesty.

BuckIV said...

This is no more unbelievable than the other two fairy tales being used against Judge K.

Static Ping said...

Well, here we are. The script for the Supreme Court nomination has been written by the same people who brought you The Penthouse Forum. And I never thought it would happen to me.

Related to Amadeus 48's comment, I remember reading the Penthouse Forum once and it did, indeed, feature a woman having sex with a space alien. Oddly, it was vanilla and consensual. There were no offers for her to ride the saucer, though quite a few things were about his cigar. Or cigars. I forget.

(I only read it for the articles.)

MB said...

I think the Democrats are aiming for a different standard: if there is any doubt, any suspicion that the accusation may be true, then the confirmation must be postponed. One cannot take such a chance.
The reason why this sounds reasonable is that there is no fixed standard for confirmation. So they can make it up as they go along.
Thus my standard is again different: if there is any suspicion that these false charges are made only for political gain and the reason they came up now and not earlier (months or even even years earlier) is that they are part of an orchestrated campaign to delay Kavanaugh's confirmation, then the Senate must confirm, so as to punish this rather clear abuse of the confirmation process.
Then let an investigation or several be conducted and let the Democrats try to impeach Kavanaugh. After all, as they keep mentioning with respect to Trump, impeachment need not be tied to a criminal offense. It can also be done for policy (and political) reasons. So let them hold an impeachment vote every week from now on, if they wish.
And the same goes for any future Democrat nominees.

Static Ping said...

On the plus side, it makes it much easier to vote Republican when the Democratic Party proves itself to be either be literally insane or so dishonest that the Joe Isuzu guy calls for an intervention.

Bay Area Guy said...

The instinct of a few weak-kneed Republicans will be to recoil, save their own skin, and bend over backward to accommodate these 3 hit-and-run charges. Don't want to be accused of being insensitive to women's rights and serious sexual misconduct claims.

My suggestion:
1. Pause
2. Evaluate the actual claims without emotion.
3. Recognize what the Dems are trying to do. They are trying to chase Kavanaugh out with unsubstantiated claims, recapture the Senate, and never confirm another Trump judge.

So, take a step back and look again at the claims:

1. Ford claim: No written sworn statement, odd polygraph results, will she appear or not?
2. Ramirez claim: Dildo in the dorm room, won't appear. Ignore it.
3. Swetnick claim: Yes, written under oath, but bizarre generalizations. Disconnect between gang rape and BK's alleged presence at a party: Different high schools, different colleges, different ages, no evidence they've ever met. Many red flags.

I know it's difficult, but Flake and Collins and these other weasels need to stand tall.

buwaya said...

"You are still treating the allegations as actual claims. They aren't: they are tools. They are meant to achieve a political purpose."

True that, that nothing is true. Or even if something, somewhere is true, it is accidental.
In this struggle all is simply ammunition.

There is no trust between the sides, and there shouldn't be. And there is no-one truly uncommitted anymore.

iowan2 said...

I did hear a couple rumors about drunk girls and “the train” when I was in high school.

If I believed 1% of the stories about what happened after I left the party, my head would have exploded. I will admit to running in some very rough crowds. Mid 70's to mid 80's Granted this is the lovely Midwest, but as I got older and gained friends from a wide cultural spectrum, we were not late to the debauchery party. The point is, at all the parties I personally attended, with some very rough individuals, I experienced nothing like I see reported over the last week from the DC area. I refuse to believe those are worse people than the ones that entered adulthood with me. My point is, young boys and girls will tell some pretty fantastic stories about what happens at parties, that may or may not track closely to reality.
Now add in a CPL dragging a $100 bill through a $5 million mansion, and what do you get?

James K said...

What’s the age of consent in MD? BK was 15 in 1980, Swetnick was 18. Charge her with statutory rape.

Jim at said...

keep repeating that a third women has come forward

Yep. All the local media is doing it. In the headlines.

Embattled Kavanaugh Faces Third Allegation!
Third Accuser Comes Forward!
Second Accuser This Week Names Kavanaugh!

They have no idea of the war they're itching for.

Big Mike said...

Tomorrow: Cannibal parties!

Yep. Someone will swear she was at a party where Kavanaugh and Mark Judge grabbed her, cut her throat, hung her upside down and gutted her like a deer, then cut her up and cooked her body parts over a large gas grill.

Fortunately, she got better.

The Crack Emcee said...

eddie willers said...

How did this get so out of hand?

"Democrats."

Let me see - was it "Democrats" who deprived Obama of a Supreme Court pick? Because THAT'S the trigger for this. Don't fool yourself - it's why I said this was pre-ordained already. All the pieces have fallen into place, Tetris-like, ever since. Leading us to this.

The Democrats didn't do it: The Republicans left them no choice.

Like I said, all you care about are appearances - the truth? You have no connection to it what-so-ever.

Matthew Sablan said...

I'm impressed Grassley flat out said Avenatti is insulting our intelligence. There was a chance Ford was mistaken or not lying. That was near nil with Ramirez. Swetnik? I couldn't get a movie made based on it.

The Crack Emcee said...

Excuse me, eddie willers, but that should read:

"Like I said, all they care about are appearances - the truth? They have no connection to it what-so-ever.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Believe all women, particularly the liars paid off by the democrat party, because it's not a lie if they believe it.

tim in vermont said...

I agree with Crack that hardball game theory got us Gorsuch, and hardball game theory is what is coming back at us. Politics ain’t beanbag, and their leader did say, "when they bring a knife, you bring a gun.”

Rick said...

So, take a step back and look again at the claims:

1. Ford claim: No written sworn statement, odd polygraph results, will she appear or not?
2. Ramirez claim: Dildo in the dorm room, won't appear. Ignore it.
3. Swetnick claim: Yes, written under oath, but bizarre generalizations. Disconnect between gang rape and BK's alleged presence at a party: Different high schools, different colleges, different ages, no evidence they've ever met. Many red flags.


I think the better rebuttal is:

1. All 4 people in the house including two not involved say it didn't happen.
2. Dozens of people supposedly around (between playing the game and "screaming down the hall") but not one corroborates her accusation.
3. Just Absurd.

Jim at said...

Any hope of Republican voters feeling complacent have been destroyed by this travesty.

Not if they fold.

tim in vermont said...

Of course had Hillary only won, they would have had both picks.

LilyBart said...

Not if they fold.

What if who folds? If flake and murcowski decide guilty until proven innocent, I don't think it'll be blamed on the rest. I've never seen Graham look more angry.

FullMoon said...

Watching Trump news conference. He handles the press pretty good.

LilyBart said...

...hardball game theory got us Gorsuch

You mean the "Biden Rule". This didn't involve ruining the life of a human being and his family. This is low.

James K said...

“hardball game theory got us Gorsuch, and hardball game theory is what is coming back at us.“

No character assassination occurred with Garland. No lies. Just no vote. Not he same at all.

The Crack Emcee said...

tim in vermont said...

"I agree with Crack that hardball game theory got us Gorsuch, and hardball game theory is what is coming back at us."

Now - how many threads has Ann posted, with all these liars and idiots jabbering away from every imaginable angle, and they still never landed anywhere near the truth - which has been beyond-obvious for years?

These fools make me feel super-smart by comparison.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

What's next? Someone asks.....

Next breathless girl confesses: Kavanaugh and his cult of rapists are also part of a Zombie cult. At one of those parties after they got done raping every last girl at the party, the Zombies came in and ate her brains so that she would never be able speak of the rapes until NOW. I remember it NOW because some of my brains have finally grown back....I think....Maaaybe...(in slacker-stoner voice)

Eating the brains part, that I do believe as we have pretty clear evidence that these accusers are mostly if not completely brain dead.

Craig said...

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!

eddie willers said...

Let me see - was it "Democrats" who deprived Obama of a Supreme Court pick

They were following "Biden's Rule" and there is a world of difference between benign neglect and ruining a man's life.

And it all began with Robert Bork.

LilyBart said...

The Democrats didn't do it: The Republicans left them no choice.

The R's left them no choice but to utterly destroy a human being's life with uncorroborated accusations?

The Crack Emcee said...

BTW - They're just as good as deciphering cultism and what's going on, there, too.

Michael K and The Golf Cart Crew: They're BRILLIANT.

Matthew Sablan said...

Democrats will destroy judicial nominees without an excuse.

Michael K said...

McMartin is a good template especially considering the tie-in to fake science. McMartin had recovered memories providing a veneer of evidence.

Disagree. McMartin and the other day care cases involved small children and manipulative therapists.

Remember All Gore got a bill passed to investigate child abuse. That provided funds that could be accessed by therapists like Kee McFarlane who created the child abuse to get funding.

As part of her job at CII, MacFarlane interviewed 400 children for the McMartin preschool trial using anatomically correct dolls and hand puppets. MacFarlane believed that the children suffered from child sexual abuse accommodation syndrome, and would deny sexual abuse without special techniques designed to encourage disclosure.

She made a lot of money with it.

The present hysteria is more like the Recovered Memory hysteria

It involved troubled adult women, with either eating disorders or alcoholism.

Proponents of recovered memory therapy claim that traumatic memories can be buried in the subconscious and affect current behavior, and that these can be recovered. The term is not listed in DSM-IV nor is it recommended by mainstream ethical and professional mental health associations.

At one point the APA was running workshops at the convention as psychologists were under pressure from managed care that was limiting payment. Then Gary Ramona won his lawsuit and the malpractice carriers stopped offering insurance for it.

The Godfather said...

"And not a single one of these ridiculous allegations would be coming out if only he were pro-choice." If Kavanaugh had done all the things they accuse him of, wouldn't he be pro-choice as a matter of self-protection?

The Crack Emcee said...

LilyBart said...

"The R's left them no choice but to utterly destroy a human being's life with uncorroborated accusations?"

You expect people to care about right and wrong after you showed you don't?

It's no wonder some can't grasp the violence in Chicago. Whatever y'all done is just wiped from your minds, and you blame whoever's in front of you now.

Drago said...

Crack: "These fools make me feel super-smart by comparison."

LOL

Full blown Dunning-Kruger on display.

Bay Area Guy said...

Duke Lacrosse case: The Sequel.

tcrosse said...

Let me see - was it "Democrats" who deprived Obama of a Supreme Court pick? Because THAT'S the trigger for this.

The Republicans didn't dig up someone to slander Merrick Garland with false accusations, so Boo Hoo. Take it up with Joe Biden.

M Jordan said...

Not Duke lacrosse. That one had an ounce of credibility.

rhhardin said...

As Althouse points out, it's an extremely unlikely story on its face. You don't even need a crazy ex-girlfriend experience to make that conclusion.

The systems analysis for all the stories is: if it's a crime, report it. Otherwise, it's not the law's business to make you feel good. That's your husband's job. Feeling good is a local matter. It doesn't work nationally and can't be made to work nationally. Systems.

So all these stores are crap.

Michael said...

Of course these women are crazy but imagine if it was asked for a woman to kill herself to permanently enshrine RvW how long would the line be? The chance to be Joan of Arc and kill Hitler in the bargain is worth a whole lot of perjury.

LilyBart said...

You expect people to care about right and wrong after you showed you don't?

I care a lot about what right to do - you're the one twisting it. You confusing using procedure to get what you want with ruining a man's life. You're the one that hasn't got a clue. What a bitter, crazy dude you are.

The Crack Emcee said...

Drago said...

"Full blown Dunning-Kruger on display."

Because it was all the rest of you saying this was your own fault for cheating Obama?

You clown yourselves by displaying your ignorance daily.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Lessee an IRS employee and Avenatti "witness". Wonder where he found her.

Drago said...

We have definitely crossed the Rubicon here with the marxists/dems/"TruCon" LLR lefty trained house pets/libs on one side and normals on the other.

As Buwaya might say, we shall see which side will win.

Unfortunately for the normals, many of their "TruCon" "leaders" have been actual libs flying under the radar for many decades.

So, you know, thats a bit of s strategic disadvantage.

The Crack Emcee said...

tcrosse said...

"The Republicans didn't dig up someone to slander Merrick Garland with false accusations, so Boo Hoo. Take it up with Joe Biden."

So it's not the fact they're as craven as you are that rankles - you just don't like the tactics used.

Boohoo on you. You guys fucked yourselves. Because you're fucked. And you thought it was funny.

Now a white man's life is screwed by your actions and you want tears for him?

BWAAAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

tim in vermont said...

I don’t think we “cheated” Obama. We played hardball. It’s a big difference. Plus, had Trump lost, Hilary is free and clear to pick another “wise _identity_group_member_goes_here to fill both of these seats. We had an election, the American people knew the stakes. Nobody “cheated” because there are very few rules.

Cacimbo Cacimbo said...

I suspect Flake not Collins and Murkowski is the most apt to vote no. The thrill of giving a final f.u. to Trump will over ride his common sense and any interest in doing right by Kavanaugh.

Josephbleau said...

“I went to many cannibal parties in the years from 1980 to 1990. I don’t know where and when they were but Kav was always there. I never personally saw him eating, but I distinctly remember him standing in the dining room wearing an apron passing out paper plates and plastic knives...”

Matthew Sablan said...

Garland and Kavanaugh are the difference between losing to revealed check and your opponent slugging you so you can't complete your turn on time. The difference is huge.

Drago said...

"Because it was all the rest of you saying this was your own fault for cheating Obama?

You clown yourselves by displaying your ignorance daily."

LOL

An absolutely perfect case study in Dunning-Kruger.

Absolutely perfect.

Inga and LLR Chuck take Place and Show.

LilyBart said...

tim in vermont said...
I don’t think we “cheated” Obama. We played hardball. It’s a big difference.


They gambled big time. Obama offered a moderate democrat. If Hillary had won, and she was predicted to win, who would she have nominated? Likely someone less 'moderate'. Big gamble.

hombre said...

“The Democrats didn’t do it: The Republicans left them no choice.”

Bullshit!

Over and above the logical absurdity of this - of course the Democrats did it - there is a difference between using Senate rules to avoid bringing a nomination to vote and using uncorroborated, slanderous accusations deliberately held until the eleventh hour to avoid bringing a nonination to a vote.

Rape baiting joins race baiting in the Democrat arsenal. Crack applauds.

Quaestor said...

And why are we getting this through Michael Avenatti?

That like asking why one's septic tank smells like shit.

DanTheMan said...

>>The Democrats didn't do it: The Republicans left them no choice.

Nonsense.
How did this work?
Option 1: Grassley uses his Mind Control Ray to make DiFi release the letter to the FBI. DiFi was completely helpless. She had no choice but to obey
Option 2: DiFi saw an opportunity to take down Kavanaugh, and chose to do it

DiFi and the Dems absolutely had a choice, and they have made the choice to attack K with anything they could get their hands on.

You are assigning guilt for a person's behavior to someone else. As usual.

gg6 said...

Is the name 'Swetnick' some sort of a put-on? Why are professedly intelligent people repeating - and thereby promoting - these pathetic stories? Why am I reading and commenting on them MYSELF?! I'm sick of myself along w/ everyone else starting w/ The Media and - in a very close 2nd place - the Feminists and Political users who espouse only their own agendas in these affairs. I used to think I was a Feminist supportive male - no f...g way, now! Now, I'm absolutely sick and tired of the 'Female view' - even those as clever as Althouse and McArdle - who think the only thing that matters in such cases is that THEY BELIEVE THE ACCUSER. It's barely or never even mentioned that believing the ACCUSED might ALSO be worth considering. Not to mention considering the existence or non-existence of FACTS in the accusation. Coherent and real Justice be damned. The only thing that seems up for judgement to females these days is FEELINGS, empathy, oh, imagine how awful that must have been! .....yeah, if it were TRUE, it damn well would be awful.....almost as awful as the impact of such ASSAULT on the despicable Male Kavanaugh - his female family being mere collateral damage in the fight for Feminist power. Screw Feminist and Liberal Power and all the sick havoc they are brewing to reach their supposed holy ends. Amen.

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