March 29, 2018

Why are colleges rejecting the prominent high school activist David Hogg?



TMZ reports:
David has been rejected by the 4 University of California campuses where he submitted applications -- UCLA, UCSD, UCSB and UC Irvine. He says the rejection letters came 2 weeks ago. He has a 4.2 GPA and an SAT score of 1270.
1270 is slightly above the average SAT score for UC Irvine. Numbers aren't enough, of course. Soft variables matter. But the teenager's activism, organizing the March For Our Lives, is extraordinary. So it's almost as if the schools are repelled by him (in secret) — the way many gun-rights people are repelled (openly). What's up schools? Are your values phony? Do you want pliable mush minds to shape and not an irksome, pesky, know-it-all, loudmouth kid?

This is — I hypothesize — what happens when institutions internalize political activism and why youthful political activism cannot be what it was in the 1960s.

I haven't watched David Hogg's political speeches, only this video. To my eye, he looks stressed and troubled. I don't know how independent he is, who if anyone is using or abusing him, how much sleep he gets, how confused and addled he may feel after such an intense time in the spotlight (immediately after the trauma of the Parkland massacre).

I wish some school with a traditional, structured approach to education would reach out to him so he'd have a good place to develop his mind and get some footing for his activism. He should want to avoid the shapers of pliable mush minds to give himself a chance to grow into mature political activism... or to turn his back on the whole thing and do something else with his life.

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gspencer said...

4.2, but only 1270. Doesn't quite jive. Could be explained by easy graders b/c kid is a loud-mouthed, arrogant person.

Phil 314 said...

The UC schools also have a preference for California residents.

Did he apply to Florida A&M?

AllenS said...

I doubt that Hogg organized the "March For Our Lives". I think he's just the poster-child.

Sally327 said...

Hogg is not a CA resident and these are all state schools, who I think do have a preference requirement of some kind for CA residents. Plus the UC system is very competitive, he did get into at least one of the CSU schools. He presumably would have no problem getting into UF or FSU of UCF or any of the FL public universities.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

how much sleep he gets

I know how busy my teenagers are and I wonder how on earth these Parkland kids have time for all of this.

My eldest just received her SAT scores on Saturday: 1420, plus a 4.1 GPA. I've been running those numbers into calculators left and right and she only has an estimated 49% chance of getting into UCSD (we looked because we freaking love San Diego and I'd love to have an excuse to move there). Raw numbers, with no other factors; I don't know what Hogg brings to the table, but my point is that a LOT of people with lackluster SAT scores like he has don't get into the sexier UC campuses.

Amadeus 48 said...

On a human level, I have been appalled at the callousness of elevating these young people into the public eye in the immediate aftermath of an extremely frightening, personally traumatic event. Anger, rage, fear, and despair are best processed in private. Saint Emma and Hogg have the devil to pay. This isn't good.

Comanche Voter said...

Because he is borderline qualified; because there is internal pressure on the Universitu of California system to accept more, rather than fewer California residents; because the folks at UC think less of Hogg than Hogg thinks of himself.

Three possible explanations. On the preference for California residents---for a while the UC system was accepting a rather larger number of out of state applicants because out of state tuition fees were higher, and the UC system had a budget shortfall.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

On the preference for California residents---for a while the UC system was accepting a rather larger number of out of state applicants because out of state tuition fees were higher, and the UC system had a budget shortfall.

Are wealthy Chinese families who pay full freight now propping the system up, like they are at the University of Washington?

Ann Althouse said...

"4.2, but only 1270. Doesn't quite jive."

Yes, it does. It may mean he's a hard worker, industrious and conscientious — but it may mean he took easy classes, used methods of scoring well that are illegitimate, or received the pseudo-benefit of inflated grading.

I've done a lot of law school admissions work, and you often get people whose GPA and standardized test scores are out of whack. The mismatch raises questions, but the phenomenon occurs all the time. I was mildly amused by the argument (which I saw approximately 99% of the time) that whichever number was the high one was the real indicator of the applicant's worth and that the low number did not represent what the student could do.

rhhardin said...

I got accepted everywhere I applied but I knew where to apply.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

On a human level, I have been appalled at the callousness of elevating these young people into the public eye in the immediate aftermath of an extremely frightening, personally traumatic event. Anger, rage, fear, and despair are best processed in private. Saint Emma and Hogg have the devil to pay. This isn't good.

I agree with this, with the addition of his college acceptance woes. That stings for anyone; certainly having strangers discuss it can't feel good.

Bob Boyd said...

Putin meddled.

traditionalguy said...

What's the mystery? California Affirmative Action admissions are used to favor African-Americans and Mexican immigrants. This honky from Florida has no place in that favor and no claims he can make to get it.

Virtue Signalling is not what she used to be. He may get a Nobel Prize and a Rhodes Scholarship from the silly Europeans, but the favoritism train he wants to ride has left the station in California.

Larry J said...

Most colleges love out of state students because they pay 2-3 times as much in tuition as in state students. Kids seem to place weight on how much something costs rather than quality - "knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing."

roesch/voltaire said...

Let’s pile on Hogg anyway we can and teach him a lesson just like Fox.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Did Althouse miss the part of the video where he lists the 4 schools where he was accepted? That is also in the news story. Or is she dissing the 4 schools? I would suspect that his applications were submitted before he started his activism, so what they were judging was the pre-active David. It would be somewhat awkward to amend your application with this new information. So the schools are just supposed to know?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

The concern displayed here for David Hogg's welfare is genuinely touching.

traditionalguy said...

Wait, wait. Look at Hogg's cheekbones. This hero can still ride having a Cherokee great, great Grandfather Train. It is a non-stop directly into tenure at Harvard.

Rob said...

The relevant comparison is not the schools’ average SAT for all students but their average SAT for white out of state males.

Balfegor said...

First, 4.2 just means he's taken a number of AP courses, no? Without being able to see what those courses are, and how he actually performed on them (e.g. was he taking all APs, and it's straight B's with a couple A's?), I don't know how impressive that actually is.

Second, all his extremely public activism is coming now, not, say, in November, when he could have put it on his applications. If they already rejected him, maybe that's because he was normal before, and his frenzied activism now wasn't previewed in his application.

Third, he's White. Not as tough as being Asian in applications, but UC Irvine (for example), is 30% Latino. When you look at those averages, you have to think about what the breakdown of the student body into that average is. I don't know the statistics for the UC system (nor do I care to look them up), but in general Hispanic scores are lower than Asian or White scores. UC system isn't allowed to use "race" in applications, but like anyone hell-bent on engaging in race discrimination, their admissions officers know perfectly well how to look for facially-neutral proxies for race, and do what they can. So the "real" cutoff for our young Master Hogg may actually be significantly higher than it looks based on raw data.

David Begley said...

Harvard, Columbia and Yale scholarships coming soon.

Tank said...

White, hetero, male - does not check any boxes + just average =. Reject.

Bill Peschel said...

I went through the applications process with my son a year ago. So here's my take.

The shooting was in February, so he had no time to update his application to put it on there. Application deadlines were in December, unless the UCal system uses a rolling application system.

The vetters at the schools didn't recognize his name. Yes, he's been in the news, but it's amazing these days how difficult it is to be universally known. And the people who process these applications have thousands of them to move through at a time. Applications also don't come with photos attached.

Otherwise, he's a white, out-of-state student with high grades and a middling SAT and I'm guessing nothing else of interest about him. Nothing special about him in their eyes, and with the heavy emphasis on checking the diversity boxes, a lot against him.


Balfegor said...

Re: Left Bank of the Charles:

Did Althouse miss the part of the video where he lists the 4 schools where he was accepted? That is also in the news story. Or is she dissing the 4 schools?

Mm, that's Cal Poly, Cal State San Marcos and Florida Atlantic University. The only one I've even heard of is Cal Poly, and it's comparable to a middling UC school. I would put it a few notches below UCLA. Cal Poly is a lot Whiter than UC Irvine (which is much more heavily Asian).

Rory said...

Applications obviously were filed months ago, so they may have been in the rejection pile for quite a while.

Bob Boyd said...

Hope he's not one of them peanut-butter eatin' God Emperors ya hear about.

Henry said...

"4.2, but only 1270. Doesn't quite jive."

What that probably indicates is that he's taken a lot of honors classes. Many school systems encourage students to take harder honors courses by giving them a GPA boost in that class.

Back in the day 1270 was an exceptional score. I guess it still represents a pretty smart kid. The median SAT score is 1080.

* * *

I would think that David Hogg submitted his college applications -- including essays, extracurriculars, etc. -- months ago. So this story could just be the bureaucracy grinding through its own paces using old information.

Biotrekker said...

Hogg is essentially a flawed "child star", and he will likely end up like many of them do, a decrepit, drug-addled homeless person.

Howard said...

Cow Poly is a very good engineerding and agrow school located in one of the nicest places on earf. Second to Santa Barbara for best location and the best looking females.

rehajm said...

The others here are correct. White out of state male with middling grades are strikes against him. He's not trendy enough for modern undergraduate student bodies.

john said...

If you didn't notice he has cigarettes in his ears. California would not abide that.

MadisonMan said...

He does have very well-groomed eyebrows, so he does have that going for him.

I just roll my eyes at all GPAs that exceed 4. It means that grades mean nothing to the School District they're in.

Where you are accepted causes a lot of stress for High School seniors. Yet I don't see how it affects their life 2 or 4 years after High School.

john said...

That's why Sean Penn had to travel to New York to smoke.

MathMom said...

He should start at a junior college. He could save some money, live at home, have small class size, and pollute lots of other young, malleable brains.

Too bad he's not a "white Hispanic".

Paddy O said...

Why does he want to move to California? Is his family from here?

Or does he see California as a Mecca for progressive activism, so he's really just wanting a ticket to come here so that he can do all the things he wants to do in activism. Which makes it sound like he's not really invested in whatever school accepts him.

I'm just struck by how many California schools he applied to, even second tier.

Also, why all public California schools?

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, consider the possibility that his counselors and teachers did not write very strong recommendations because he's a total pain in the ass.

At any rate I've sure Evergreen State would be glad to have him -- with his taste for violent rhetoric towards his political opponents he would fit right in with a student body that runs around with baseball bats to square around faculty that does not toe the line. Also, for some inexplicable reason their applications are falling off, so they'd be glad to have him apply even if he had had a lobotomy.

James K said...

Why does Hogg need to go to college? He already knows everything.

Expat(ish) said...

Contra to what some people are saying about how easy it is to get into FL schools, I would beg to differ. My dotter was significantly more attractive of a student than Mr. Hogg - higher grades at a better FL school, terrific extra-curriculars, multiple 4's and 5's on the AP, higher SAT, and really neat extra curricular stuff.

She got big scholarship offers out of state but skunked by all the FL schools. Seriously 0 for 4.

I think it is perfectly unknowable.

-C

PB said...

He has a right to be accepted by any school he wants? Particularly out of state schools?

Likely his recent activism is a strong deviation from his past activities and wasn't included in his applications and weren't considered in these acceptances/rejections. CalPoly is a fine school.

Frankly you can get a fine undergraduate education at hundreds of schools and they won't cost you $65k a year. Of course, you have to stick clear of the politicized courses and have a good perspective on the mind-warping that occurs in college-life today.

I think he definitely should take some time off to grow and mature (boy, does he need that). Getting a real job or joining the army would help.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

"Putin Meddled."

for the win.

Can Hogg work for the Clinton Campaign?

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

I wouldn't want an unstable bully on my campus. He claims to be anti-gun but he might lose his mind and hurt someone. He's pretty angry.

MountainMan said...

“...consider the possibility that his counselors and teachers did not write very strong recommendations because he's a total pain in the ass.”

Which maybe one day will hurt his employment prospects as well.

Hagar said...

I wish some school with a traditional, structured approach to education would reach out to him so he'd have a good place to develop his mind and get some footing for his activism. He should want to avoid the shapers of pliable mush minds to give himself a chance to grow into mature political activism... or to turn his back on the whole thing and do something else with his life.

That paragraph just about makes me want to throw up. "Mush," indeed!

Bob Boyd said...

Hogleby Fein

Henry said...

Funny how "has strong political views" turns into "total pain-in-the-ass".

I really don't get the David Hogg pile-on mentality.

Tommy Duncan said...

Blogger Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

"The concern displayed here for David Hogg's welfare is genuinely touching."

We also care deeply about your welfare, Beloved Commenter!

Browndog said...

They know the left eat their own. They know it's a matter of time before Hogg starts making unreasonable demands of the university, causing a shit storm on campus.

stevew said...

1. Not a CA resident
2. White
3. Male
4. Wealthy upbringing

None of his other, debatable, attributes were considered.

-sw

Matt Sablan said...

His speeches have been fairly flat, and the bits I've heard are standard issue talking points. If his personal essays were the same, he just doesn't stand out much. Had he not been part of this tragedy, he would be a perfectly normal student.

Fernandistein said...

"Hitler gets rejected from college"

It's funny because it's true.

Robert Cook said...

He seemed very reasonable and equanimous to me. He said it was "disappointing," but he didn't act as if he thought there was any directed animus toward him that was blocking his way. I have not seen him speak in any other video, so I don't see any of this "he knows everyhing" attitude that a couple of commenters seem to see. I must assume, absent further information, that they see what they have decided to see.

Bay Area Guy said...

Hey, the kid has good grades and good scores! He'll definitely get into a nice college somewhere.

Oh, is the implication that he was rejected from these 4 great colleges due to his activism?

Golly, gee, I missed that. Yes, let's investigate the admission boards of these meany schools. By all means.



Robert Cook said...

"I really don't get the David Hogg pile-on mentality."

You must be new here.

Matt Sablan said...

"Let’s pile on Hogg anyway we can and teach him a lesson just like Fox."

-- Uh... isn't that what happens to activists like Joe the Plumber and others?

Enter the public eye, expect to be treated critically.

DanTheMan said...

>>would have no problem getting into UF or FSU of UCF or any of the FL public universities

I disagree. UF is insanely competitive these days.

He's a loudmouth attention pig who is very impressed with himself. Sounds more like Seminole material to me...


Paddy O said...


"Had he not been part of this tragedy, he would be a perfectly normal student."

Wouldn't he have submitted his applications late last year? His applications wouldn't have any mention of a tragedy that never happened, and by the time it did happen, the decisions had likely been made. Which again raises the issue of why so California focused? And highlights how he seems to be using the tragedy for his own gain. Which, of course, would make him a model California politician, but first he has to find a way to get here. Sounds like he's finding his ticket in the ways he can.

Roy Jacobsen said...

But the teenager's activism, organizing the March For Our Lives, is extraordinary.

Where's the evidence that he's organized anything to do with this? On the contrary:

The March for Our Lives permit application was filed by Deena Katz, a co-executive director of the Women's March Los Angeles Foundation. This wasn’t just a little bit of professional activist assistance.

The application lists Katz as the “Person in Charge of Event”.
[...]

Media contacts for March for Our Lives are being handled by 42 West. The agency is a full service PR firm operating out of New York and Los Angeles that represents major celebrities. 42 West was supposedly recommended by George Clooney who was one of a number of major celebrity donors.
[...]

Who are those people? A leaked document reveals that the March for Our Lives Action Fund is actually overseen by six directors and is incorporated in Delaware.

So far we have Los Angeles, New York and Delaware, but not Florida.

Donations are being directed to, “March For Our Lives Fund, 16130 Ventura Blvd Ste 320, Encino, CA 91435.” That matches the listed office address on the application for the Wishnow Ross Warsavsky & Company. The tax firm appears to have no website.

(from http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2018/03/who-runs-march-for-our-lives.html)

He's one of the most prominent faces of this movement, but I haven't seen any evidence that he's "organized" jack.

the 4chan Guy who reads Althouse said...

"Yes, it does. It may mean he's a hard worker, industrious and conscientious — but it may mean he took easy classes, used methods of scoring well that are illegitimate, or received the pseudo-benefit of inflated grading. "

It will be interesting to see where he is in a decade.

Mattress Girl was a Cause Celebrity, but the moment passes and she is now doing Racial Signal Artwork with Cheetos to try to stay relevant (see Althouse's post a few days ago).

Remember Sandra Fluke? She was famous for awhile. There have been many others, but I can't remember them off-hand. They have been used, and their shelf-life is over.

My guess is that Emma will last a little longer, because of the diversity angle: she is Joan of Arc, after all: that's good for a few years.

The college admissions are showing him exactly how the Elite see him: a middling white male. They are glad to use him for now, but for them he is a tool, no different than Stormy Daniels.

My guess is that -- as the elections come closer -- many Democrats will start to discreetly tack away from the Gun Control Movement everywhere that isn't Deep Blue. And he will then be a problem for them: sssssshhhh -- we don't want people thinking we are anti-gun right now, we need the votes of some Deplorables.

And he won't go quietly, because this is all he has. He will become more strident as he sees himself being pushed off the stage they have provided. Maybe they'll give him a meaningless low-level job at a Non-Profit. Like leaving fifty bucks on the nightstand for the hooker.

They are sucking your cock right now, kid, but soon you'll have to be sucking theirs.

The Germans have a word for this.

Fabi said...

I'm concerned about the well-being of Master Hogg -- concerned he'll die before I get the chance to kick him in the pussy.

Gahrie said...

Let’s pile on Hogg anyway we can and teach him a lesson just like Fox.

No one forced him on stage, ne clawed his way on there himself.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Exactly. We need an investigation. Where's Mueller?

Charlie said...

We're going to change the world. Right Mom?"

Richard said...

We are changing the world…A lot of amazing people who do not get in…We are already changing the world. If they don't support us we are going to change the world

David Hogg is such a humble person. I can't understand why any college wouldn't be thrilled to have him as a student.

Gahrie said...

"I really don't get the David Hogg pile-on mentality."

He's a sanctimonious punk who is using a tragedy to try and take away my rights and refuses to defend himself in an honest debate.

Matt Sablan said...

Honestly, Hogg doesn't seem to understand the Second or First Amendments, so if his personal essay showed this weakness of thought, he probably ended up in the rejected pile too.

Roughcoat said...

Questions for the group:

Was the SAT more difficult in 1967 when I took them than they are now?

When I graduated HS the top GPA was 4.0, which was all A's. How does students achieve 4.1 and higher GPAs now?

In 1967 my SAT verbal was well above-average and my math was below average. Hence my cumulative was solidly average. I believe this accurately reflected whatever it is the SAT is supposed to reflect. I don't have an exceptional intellect, that's for sure. The University of Michigan recognized this and rejected me. On the other hand, Williams College accepted me, and offered me a full scholarship -- if I played football. But I didn't want to play football anymore, so I didn't go and instead ended up attended 3 state universities over the course of 6 years. Which just goes to show that I was kind of dumb.

Drago said...

Robert Cook: "He seemed very reasonable and equanimous to me."

I guess his calling all NRA members murderers and saying he wants a voluntary association like the NRA disbanded does sound "reasonable and equanimous" to a stalinist.

This is classic "clown nose on/clown nose off" tactics from the left in using their high school age "human shields".

The lefties get to say whatever they want involving the character/beliefs/morals/intentions of others as well as prescribe legislative actions to be taken through their mouthpieces and if anyone who is attacked or disagrees on policy decides to push back the lefties than scream how dare you attack these wonderful high school kids.

This is the simply the latest Cindy Sheehan-ization example of lefty standard operating procedures.

The Parkland kids clearly have Absolute Moral Authority therefore everyone else has to shut up and pass whatever legislation these frontmen and women spout in alignment with the actual powers behind another fake lefty astroturfed movement.

It's all the Bloomberg and Soros front groups running the show along with all the other usual lefty suspects.

We've all seen this act before.

Robert Cook said...

Hogg is a "sanctimonious punk"...how?

Drago said...

Matthew Sablan: "Honestly, Hogg doesn't seem to understand the Second or First Amendments..."

You could not be more wrong.

He does, as do his handlers. And that's the problem. The Bill of Rights has to be gutted if the left is going to be able to usher in the latest lefty utopian vision.

This time it will work for sure! After all, US lefties are so much more enlightened than all those other lefties who only leave misery and mass graves in their wake.

Venezuela? What's that? Never heard of it....

the 4chan Guy who reads Althouse said...

Matthew Sablan said...
"Honestly, Hogg doesn't seem to understand the Second or First Amendments, so if his personal essay showed this weakness of thought, he probably ended up in the rejected pile too."

I always enjoy reading your comments, Matthew -- you keep a sane, thoughtful head -- but I think you are wrong here.

Rejecting the First and Second Amendments is what passes for Big Thoughts now.

Hate Speech is not Free Speech.

And all guns are Hate Guns.

The Germans have a word for this.

Robert Cook said...

"Hate Speech is not Free Speech."


Sure it is.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

I guess his calling all NRA members murderers and saying he wants a voluntary association like the NRA disbanded does sound "reasonable and equanimous" to a stalinist.

Worth a repeat.

robother said...

Maybe he should read this as a message to stay in high school another year. He's more useful to the Progs as a "child" spokesman that just another college Antifa activist (plus they all wear masks). After all, the 19 year who shot Hogg to fame was still in high school.

Rick said...

I think you're reading too much into this. His activism is very recent and probably was not considered in his rejections.

Sebastian said...

"I wish . . . he should want."

Right. But then, this is progs we're talking about.

AlbertAnonymous said...

By the way, CalPoly is not equivalent to a middling UC. It’s the preeminent polytechnical school. And damn near impossible to get into. And the students absolutely LOVE it. If he got into Cal Poly then his search is over. But if he’s still complaining then that means he’s a moron. Cal Poly’s better off without him.

Drago said...

We should all take it a little easy on Cookie today.

After all, today is the anniversary of Ethel and Julius Rosenbergs conviction for spying and providing atomic secrets to the Soviet Union.

Gotta be tough for our Cookie. And there isn't even a easy way to blame the US and work in a decent conspiracy theory against republicans involving SR-71's!!

Michael K said...


The concern displayed here for David Hogg's welfare is genuinely touching.


As I recall, he is the one who announced this matter, as though we should all be concerned.


Blogger Robert Cook said...
He seemed very reasonable and equanimous to me. He said it was "disappointing," but he didn't act as if he thought there was any directed animus toward him that was blocking his way.


Hilarious. You put the Cookie seal of approval on him. That should get him into somewhere.

I am also curious about his focus on California. I also wanted to go to college in California but I grew up in Chicago, which any sensible person would want to get out of.

Florida is warm and he has family there.

Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...

Why does Hogg need to go to college? He already knows everything.

James K wins the thread.

r/V: Let’s pile on Hogg anyway we can and teach him a lesson just like Fox.

So it was Faux News that didn't respect his privacy and churlishly blabbed all this private information about his scores and college applications. Tacky, tacky. (And illegal?) I was wondering why everybody was presuming to stick their noses into this guy's private business.

Oh, it was somebody else who blabbed?

Belle17 said...

Blogger James K said...
Why does Hogg need to go to college? He already knows everything.

3/29/18, 8:01 AM

And we have a winner!!!

holdfast said...

”Are wealthy Chinese families who pay full freight now propping the system up, like they are at the University of Washington?”

I’m sorry, I think you misspelled “University of British Columbia”.

Balfegor said...

Re: Paddy O:

Why does he want to move to California? Is his family from here?

A lot of young people just want to move to California because the weather is nice, and they like the beach, etc. etc.

Re: Roughcoat:

Was the SAT more difficult in 1967 when I took them than they are now?

Yes, it was. The SAT I been through at least one "renormalisation" to boost average scores (1996), and there may have been others. I just know about the 1996 one because I took the test both before and after renorming.

When I graduated HS the top GPA was 4.0, which was all A's. How does students achieve 4.1 and higher GPAs now?

A's in Honors classes and AP classes get scored above a 4.0. It's a bit of a scam to inflate GPA figures (it's not like an A in maths and an A in PE get weighted differently, after all), but that's the way it works.

Drago said...

Howard: "Cow Poly is a very good engineerding and agrow school located in one of the nicest places on earf."

There are 2 Cal Poly's: SLO & Pomona.

Pomona is okay but it's no San Luis Obispo.

Michael K said...

I agree with Albert A

Cal Poly is a great school if you want to study and do science.

I suspect Mr Hogg wants to do something else.

Drago reminded me of why we should be nice to Cookie today. My condolences, Cookie.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

David Hogg is a leftwing Fascist punk.

Proof

Rory said...

Roughcoat: there are Advanced Placement (AP) classes, intended to be at a level where colleges will "transfer" credits when the student is admitted as a freshman. As these are supposed to be college-level classes, high schools award an extra grade point for taking them. So if a senior student takes 3 regular and three AP courses and gets straight A's, the student will have a 4.5 average for the year.0

Michael K said...

Was the SAT more difficult in 1967 when I took them than they are now?

Yes, it was.


I took the SAT in 1956. We were not told our scores and to this day I don't know what it was.

Also no "review" courses. It's been "renormed" several times since then.

I guess I did OK because I was a National Merit Scholar. The first year they had them.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

No one is allowed to criticize David Hogg without the wrath of the leftwing fascist witch-hunters.

You will be destroyed.

Anonymous said...

The deadline for the UC system was November 30. The schools have been sorting apps since then. Probably he was rejected long before Feb 14, because these systems weed through thousands of applications starting as soon as they get them. andless he went out of his way to contact these schools and tell them he's the same David Hogg who is now famous, they wouldn't even know.

Rick said...

I really don't get the David Hogg pile-on mentality.

Me neither. There's nothing objectionable about claiming anyone who disagrees you supports murder of children. This is so overblown.

Anonymous said...

And could someone please fix the blogger bug that has the stupid "you can use" notice incorrectly size on mobile devices, impeding the ability to select ones text in the combox, making it impossible to fix typos after the first four lines?

Roughcoat said...

I also wanted to go to college in California but I grew up in Chicago, which any sensible person would want to get out of.

Well, Michael, I have to disagree with you on that one. I actually came back to Chicago after 18 years in supposedly paradisaical Colorado (which I came to dislike intensely) and I'm still here. There are a lot of things I don't like about Chicago but a lot of things I love about it too. A lot of things I love about the Midwest. This is where I belong, for better and worse, til death do us part. It's like marriage.

Incidentally, I was down in your old neck of the woods a couple of weeks ago, Beverly/Mt. Greenwood for the South Side St. Patrick's parade, gettin' my Irish on. Had a thoroughly good time. Street sales of beer have been banned for the event, which as a result have become civilized affair -- by South Side Irish standards, that is.

Belle17 said...

1. I think the Hogg family lived in CA prior to FL, so it's understandable that the kid might want to go back to CA for college.

2. NO ONE would know where he was admitted, nor denied, unless he chose to make it public, which, I'm sorry, but he clearly did to try and get someone to poke at the admissions offices of these schools so he could get another look. Look at his Twitter feed. He's all about trying to "name and shame" organizations/people.

3. I thought there was something "off" about this kid the second he started being interviewed within hours of the shooting. He is doing nothing to dissuade me of my first impression.

4. I don't like how the media, right or left, is giving ANY of these kids such a prominent platform. That goes for Kyle on the pro-2A side.

5. As a mom of a teen, there is no way in hell I would let my daughter do all of this press. Nope. I think the parents of these kids suck for consenting to it.

Drago said...

Allison: "making it impossible to fix typos after the first four lines?"

If you simply hit return a few times you can clear that stupid sequence.

You just have to remember at the end to backspace all the way back to the text to remove the extra blank lines.

It is extraordinarily irritating however.

exhelodrvr1 said...

"But the teenager's activism, organizing the March For Our Lives, is extraordinary."

Adults did the organizing.

Those grades and scores are not great, and competition for the UCs is pretty high.

Right now it seems that he is just surfing the wave of being in the forefront of the media's anti-conservative-topic-du-jour. It appears that the adults in his life have done him a disservice by not reining him in somewhat.

Roughcoat said...

Rory and Michael:

I had AP "College Level" courses in History and English Literature and got college credit for them, but I think it was still nonetheless not possible to score higher than a 4.0, that was the way the system was set up. In the event I had very mediocre grades in math and science and merely decent grades German, so the issue was, for me, moot.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Someone said he has very punchable face- maybe that is why they rejected him?

Bilwick said...

Uh-oh . . . "Faux News." Using that expression is like wearing a cap saying, "No real thinking going on in here." It's also the hallmark of someone who wants their news only from unbiased sources: you know, like the NYT, CBS, CNN, etc.

There is something physically repellent about Hogg: the weird triangular head, the disturbed-looking eyes and the scrawny body. The fact that, in his teens, he is a willing tool of the State, DEMANDING that Big Brother take more power than he already has, only adds to the creepiness. The raised fist is only repellent icing on the repellent cake.

Balfegor said...

Re: DickinBimbos --

I thought you were going to link to that hilarious picture of him with the black armband and the necktie looking like a proper Hitlerjugend. Someone close to him is not his friend. Friends don't let friends cosplay as Nazis in public.

The Drill SGT said...

I attended 4 UC schools
- Davis for my BA
- CAL for some language units
- UCI and UCLA for my Masters

albeit 40-50 years ago. 1270 is NOT a good UC SAT. 1400+ is in the ballpark

and then, Cal Poly was a backup school. The Best of the Cal State system but well below the engineering leaders in the UC system. Cal, UCLA and Davis for engineering. And of course light years behind CalTech

AllenS said...

What kind of GPA and SAT score would a C to C minus student have? Asking for a friend.

tcrosse said...

“Listen to them, the children of the 100-year night. What music they make!"

Henry said...

Robert Cook said...
You must be new here.

Oh I see it. But I don't get it. But I don't get the politics of taking high offense.

exhelodrvr1 said...

https://blog.prepscholar.com/sat-percentiles-high-precision-2016

1270 is only in the 88th percentile, according to this. That's almost certainly not good enough for the UC system, especially if you're not a minority.

Fernandistein said...

Michael K said...
I guess I did OK because I was a National Merit Scholar. The first year they had them.


Oh the wonderfulness! It burns!


Bob Boyd said...
Hope he's not one of them peanut-butter eatin' God Emperors ya hear about.


I read somewhere that they're illegal aliens from outer space, from a dry planet without its own peanut butter.

Drago said...

exhelodrvr1: ""But the teenager's activism, organizing the March For Our Lives, is extraordinary."

Precisely.

There are no grass roots lefty movements. They are ALL controlled by the Central Committe.... er...the usual groups.

The already well established lefty activist pipeline, complete with built-in MSM amplification, simply takes whatever "faces" are in vogue at the moment and plugs them in to the pre-fab political activism structure.

This happens over and over again.

It shall always be thus.

Robert Cook said...

"Florida is warm and he has family there."

Have you lived in Florida? I have, and I can easily understand his wanting to get out of the state.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Hogg is a leftwing bully. He's a brownshirt.

The Southern Poverty Law Center could hire him.

Drago said...

Henry: "But I don't get the politics of taking high offense."

Henry can't understand why law abiding citizens don't like being accused of being murderers and personally responsible for something they had nothing to do with.

I imagine there is much in life that eludes our Henry.

TestTube said...

Not discussed so far: David Hogg's parents, who are either allowing all this to happen, or actively enabling it. While staying under the radar.

So if you want to pile on anyone, pile on the parents.

But maybe not. I don't see any of this really hurting David in the long run. He has something that is solid gold for college applications. Certainly some of these schools are taking a second look at him, and there may be some other high-ranked schools that would find a spot for him at the last minute.

This is, arguably, one heck of an extracurricular activity.

Gk1 said...

I hope this kid can go on to college and actually learn how to think as its pretty apparent from his interviews his critical thinking skills are weak. He is being used by the media and will be quickly discarded once he is no longer useful. Run while you can, kid!

TestTube said...

Talking about piling on, why pile on Robert Cook? I'm not finding a comment he made in this thread that I can't respect.

Ditto for Beloved Commentator ARM.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

I must assume, absent further information, that they see what they have decided to see.

And I assume the same of you.

Kevin said...

This is — I hypothesize — what happens when institutions internalize political activism and why youthful political activism cannot be what it was in the 1960s.

No, this is what happens when kids apply to college and are rejected but hope their political activism will make those schools reconsider their decision based on their political activism.

If you need to use your dead classmates to get into your dream school no one's going to remember that you didn't initially qualify to attend 10 years from now.

Clooney, Soros, Winfrey, are you watching? Maybe you could make a call.

mockturtle said...

The Army is recruiting.

Kevin said...

I wish some school with a traditional, structured approach to education would reach out to him...

Those appear to be too far from Southern California's beaches for his liking.

Robert Cook said...

"Oh I see it. But I don't get it. But I don't get the politics of taking high offense."

It's called, "Being an asshole."'

It's a more self-important way of shouting, "Get off my lawn, you hooligans!"

Michael said...

Not unwisely, our hero is availing himself of the opportunity to shame the California schools which have rejected him into giving him a do over. Odds are they will. If he were black it would be Berkeley. He is not therefore one of his choices will reconsider given his enthusiasm for social justice. He could buff his resume further by declaring gender uncertainty.

Expat(ish) said...

@Robert_Cook: Until you get your first paycheck....

I've lived in a lot of places and like SWF a lot. I kind of miss winter, but that's an easy thing to travel and get when you want it. I love having a pool and good roads and a legislature that, for all their faults, spends my money as if it were theirs.

I had a lot of that in NC, but I get more here.

_XC

Robert Cook said...

"Talking about piling on, why pile on Robert Cook?"

They're just jealous of my dashing good looks and enormous D.I.Q.! (Not that I'll humble-brag about measurements.)

rcocean said...

The highest grade my daughter got was 4.0.

HOw does one get a 4.2?

Crazy Jane said...

High school grading conventions are notoriously variable, including for AP classes. UCs don't have time to adjust norms for schools 3,000 miles away, and the SAT score may count for more when evaluating a student like Hogg.

The SAT works well for smart boys because boys typically get their academic focus later than girls. If a boy applies with so-so grades and a boffo SAT score, it's easier to take a chance on him. High SAT scores correlate very well with college success.

If Hogg thinks UC is looking for more activist students, he may be miscalculating. There is no shortage of them on any of the campuses.

Drago said...

Robert Cook and friends demand that you happily, joyfully, for the common good, stand silent in the face of verbal attacks from the most recent additions to the US version of the Red Guards who demand that "voluntarily" (or else) relinquish your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights and agree to never criticize those who attack you.

It's simple really.

Very simple.

rcocean said...

AA is against the law in Calf. but they use other means to achieve the same result. There is an unofficial quota system by race.

Hogg would be competing for a place with the non-hispanic, non-black, non-asian students.

Of course, Asian students are hardest hit.

Gahrie said...

HOw does one get a 4.2?

A.P. and honors courses are often worth 5 points for an A, 4 for a B etc.

Michael K said...

Incidentally, I was down in your old neck of the woods a couple of weeks ago, Beverly/Mt. Greenwood for the South Side St. Patrick's parade, gettin' my Irish on. Had a thoroughly good time. Street sales of beer have been banned for the event, which as a result have become civilized affair -- by South Side Irish standards, that is.

My sister and her kids were there. Her son is here in Tucson thawing out for a week.

My "old neck of the woods" was South Shore, a wonderful place to grow up, if too cold for my taste, but you would not want to be there after dark now.

The Western Avenue parade was cancelled for a couple of years because of drunken visitors. Hence the ban on beer selling.

I went to California to go to college (CalTech) and might have returned if the place had not gone to hell. Chicago is just not the same.

We got out of California as it has gotten too crazy. My younger son and two of his kids were here for a visit this week and they will probably join the exodus when he retires.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Test Tube said...re Hogg I don't see any of this really hurting David in the long run.

I do!!. Psychologically he is now damaged goods. All this unearned, manufactured fame is going to give him an unrealistic and inflated sense of his own importance. He now thinks that he is "really something hot". He thinks that HE is responsible for all this that is happening.

The reality is that he is being used and manipulated by the adults around him in order to advance THEIR agendas. Once his usefulness is done, he will be tossed aside like a used Kleenex.

Tossed aside and unable to figure out where the fame went. Like a washed up child star (as someone up thread commented) he is unlikely to be able to face the reality of his absolute ordinariness and will likely descend into further bitterness, failure and even self harm.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

@ Balf... The armband is a nice touch. Let his brownshirt freakflag fly.

Michael said...

TestTube

Robert Cook is a good guy and a great commenter, holding consistent opinions well delivered. He is wrong of course but engaging and anything but an asshole. ARM not so much.

rcocean said...

1270 SAT is not very good for the UC system.

BTW, unlike my day where peeps just took the test - with no prep - today kids take private courses that improve their scores.

They've also "dumbed down" the test from 30 years (esp English) - so 1270 doesn't mean what it meant in 1983

Michael K said...

Blogger mockturtle said...
The Army is recruiting.


He looks like basic training might be tough for him, even as watered down as it has been.

Bob Boyd said...

"They're just jealous of my dashing good looks and enormous D.I.Q.!"

I had to Google D.I.Q. Here are the first 3 things that came up:

"Slang term for dick used mainly amongst a stoner group in the north west part of america"

"Acronym. Definition. DIQ. Director in Qualification (Mary Kay Cosmetics)"

"Diagnostic Impotence Questionnaire."

Robert Cook said...

"I've lived in a lot of places and like SWF a lot. I kind of miss winter, but that's an easy thing to travel and get when you want it. I love having a pool and good roads and a legislature that, for all their faults, spends my money as if it were theirs."

I lived in NE Florida and went to school at UF. There are nice things about the state, things I appreciate more now when I visit than I did when I lived there, but--and this is the killer--it's a cultural wasteland. There are few or no bookstores!

When I visit and travel around the city I left decades ago--Jacksonville--I feel the same suffocating emptiness that I felt when I lived there.

I did very much enjoy living in Gainesville, which was comparatively, Paris on Lake Alice.

buwaya said...

Pants is right, 1420-ish or ACT 32 is the real median across the board with the UC's. This kid was in hail-Mary pass territory for most of them. His score can work for UC Irvine, Santa Cruz or Merced.

And there are preferences for CA residents, of a sort. There is an admissions guarantee, to the system if not to any given school. If a kid meets the base requirements for UC admission but is rejected by all those applied to, a "fall back" school, usually UC Merced or UC Irvine (this changes I think) offers instant admission.

And then there is the community college transfer process, which is very common. Kids take the "core" classes in a California community college and apply to transfer on the basis of grades.

rcocean said...

"A.P. and honors courses are often worth 5 points for an A, 4 for a B etc."

Thanks. UC system also has large number of foreign students - who are loved by the administrators - since their tuition is extremely high.

JPS said...

Henry:

"I really don't get the David Hogg pile-on mentality."

You know, I'd have given the kid a pass up to a very generous point. I said intemperate things sometimes when I was young. I might have let the media attention and the cameras go to my head. Can't blame a kid in that circumstance from being angry at the situation he found himself in, and angrily calling for measures to prevent its happening again.

Then I read this:

“When your old-ass parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage,’ and you’re just like, ‘Give me the fucking phone and let me handle it.’ Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government. Our parents don’t know how to use a f–king democracy, so we have to.”

I think, hey, before you tell us all your incredibly obvious solutions to The Problem that we hapless old-ass folks don't know how to implement, maybe go write an essay on Chesterton's Fence. Look it up on your iPhone, I'm sure Wikipedia has a good entry on it.

And while I still sympathize with him, I make no such allowances for the adults pushing him and those like him into the spotlight. They just want messengers you're not allowed to argue with, regardless of whether they're right.

rcocean said...

I'd suggest Hogg go into Evergreen - one can see him deplatforming "fascists" and fitting right in.

Has his application for the Antifa been accepted?

mtrobertslaw said...

No question, Hogg has rhetorical skills. But it is not unusual for those who have this gift to lack any semblance of critical thinking skills. I doubt if Hogg could listen to an opposing argument that casts doubt on his views and respond with a reasonable counter-argument. I think his response would be a stream of insults salted with obscenities.

Big Mike said...

His score can work for UC Irvine, Santa Cruz or Merced.

He would fit right in Santa Cruz.

rcocean said...
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Robert Cook said...

"I had to Google D.I.Q."

Refer to this blog post on this very site from two days ago.

rcocean said...

I'd suggest Evergreen College for Mr. Hog

BTW, has his application to the Antifa been accepted?

Bruce Hayden said...

I would be curious about the demographics at that high school, and, thus, essentially how competitive it is. My guess from what the school and school district tolerated in behaviour, I wouldn’t expect top notch. Point is that a 4.2 is probably easier in schools where everyone isn’t taking AP classes. And, yes, were his > 4.0 classes honors, or AP? At my kid’s prep school, everything was honors, except for AP, which got the 5.0 scale, but with grade inflation, plenty of schools use a 5.0 scale for honors, which are mostly just college prep. As for the AP classes, they come with standardized AP tests, which scores are also, I believe, submitted with the applications. My guess is that with those middling SATs, he probably didn’t get all 5s on the ones he took.

rcocean said...

"The concern displayed here for David Hogg's welfare is genuinely touching."

"Don't attack me bro I'm only a child that wants to take away your gun rights, you Nazi fascist!"

Mr. Hog is 17, he take a little flak. I had an uncle who - at 18 - was flying recon missions in Korea, 1952, and taking North Korean flak.

JPS said...

Robert Cook, 9:31:

'They're just jealous of my dashing good looks and enormous D.I.Q.! (Not that I'll humble-brag about measurements.)"

Well played, sir.

rcocean said...

I get the feeling his HS is one of those where "everyone is above average" and 25% of the students have 4

buwaya said...

Cal Poly is quite difficult to get into these days, its entrance standards are well above most of the UC's especially if you (as required) declare a major in the app. Choose one of the engineering tracks and you are in UC Berkeley territory, or worse, as unlike most these tend to require specific APs and a real track record in the specific line. The competition is intense.

Oh, there are two Cal Poly's, the one in San Luis Obispo is the hard one, the one in Pomona is much easier.

Otto said...

Last time i looked, you didn't go to college to hone your activism skills.

Balfegor said...

Re: JPS:

“When your old-ass parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage,’ and you’re just like, ‘Give me the fucking phone and let me handle it.’ Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government. Our parents don’t know how to use a f–king democracy, so we have to.”

I think, hey, before you tell us all your incredibly obvious solutions to The Problem that we hapless old-ass folks don't know how to implement, maybe go write an essay on Chesterton's Fence. Look it up on your iPhone, I'm sure Wikipedia has a good entry on it.


Come on -- he's a child! I mean, on average, aren't teenagers always like this? Complaining about how parents just don't get it, how old people are all just phonies, how it's all so simple if we would stop clinging to guns and religion and just accept the Fuhrerprinzip.

I mean, I'm being mocking there, but I'm also kind of serious. Young people think they have all the answers because they're too ignorant to realise just how little they know and understand. That's why when they get political, they tend to fall for dumb utopian causes with an edge of callous cruelty (like, well, fascism and communism and whatever it is when you cry Death to the Fascist Insect that Preys on the Life of the People). Have some charity. Reserve your greatest ire for the adults who've decided to exploit his youthful naivete and vim for their own purposes.

Roughcoat said...

Michael K:

Yes, I know you're from South Shore. By "your neck of the woods" I meant the South Side in general.

I currently live in suburb just off Archer Ave. which as you know is also in the South Side realm.

In 1968 I dated a beautiful curvacious straw-headed Polish girl from South Shore and got to know that neighborhood well as a result.

I've been attending the South Side parade since time immemorial and thought the recent two-year hiatus was necessary to restore control and sanity. Banning street sales of beer has had a salutary effect on the festivities.

I used to hang out in Marquette Park (specifically, 63rd & S. Kedzie) which was an Irish and Lithuanian neighborhood, mostly, all the way through the 1990s. Several terrific Irish pubs with old Irish men hanging out in them and Irish traditional music, and you could do an Irish Death March there similar to the Western Avenue/Beverly Death March. And of course there were the Lithuanian restaurants. Then, in the space of 12 months, Marquette Park "turned" and became a violent shithole, Mexican and black gangbangers shooting the place up. I remember how, during that 12 month period, I drove with a friend thought the neighborhood counting the for sale signs. We stopped counting after reaching 500. True story.

I did a lot of work in the 1980s in So Cal as an advertising copywriter, making TV and radio commericals, and in fact I visited So Cal just two months ago. I detest the place. I detested it in the 80s and detest it now.

Henry said...

Drago wrote...

I imagine there is much in life that eludes our Henry.

That's pretty much true. Other people's anger is often mystifying.

Ken B said...

Applications and admissions were decided before he became famous.
As for the already full school AA wants to reach out to him, what criteria should they use to now reject someone to make room?

Henry said...

Young people think they have all the answers because they're too ignorant to realise just how little they know and understand. That's why when they get political, they tend to fall for dumb utopian causes with an edge of callous cruelty (like, well, fascism and communism and whatever it is when you cry Death to the Fascist Insect that Preys on the Life of the People). Have some charity. Reserve your greatest ire for the adults who've decided to exploit his youthful naivete and vim for their own purposes.

Well stated. Though the edge of callous cruelty is universal. Fascism and Communism are more specific.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Talking about piling on, why pile on Robert Cook?"

Because he’s the only Lefty commenting on this thread at the moment. Drago is always the guy who whips up the outrage against the currently commenting lefty, yet he makes himself scarce when his fellow Righties are piling on Trump, like the day he did not veto the Omnibus Budget.

LOL.

TestTube said...

DBQ:

Eh, teenagers are amazingly resilient. And I doubt that he is advocating many political positions that weren't previously present in his household. Nor do I think that this is going to last much longer, so less exposure. And he is older, and less vulnerable to the dark side of all this.

So I don't see him turning out like Judy Garland or Miley Cyrus.

Also, I see a less spectacular version of all this several times a year when starry-eyed youth ring the doorbell to gather donations and signatures for feel-good political organizations. Yeah, they are being exploited. No, they probably won't suffer much harm for it, and might even come out on the plus side due to the experience.

tcrosse said...

So I don't see him turning out like Judy Garland or Miley Cyrus.

How about Danny Bonaduce ?

Eleanor said...

Allen, a C to C- student is in the 2.0 to 2.5 range on a 4.0 scale. C students in a competitive high school usually have SAT scores in the 1000 range, lower if the school doesn't have high grading standards. A C student with matching SAT scores should probably look at a community college to do some remediation if a college degree is a goal.

Bilwick said...

It just hit me who Hogg reminds me of: a young Ellsworth Toohey, the villain of THE FOUNTAINHEAD: the weird head too big for the spindly body coupled with a gift for oratory, and an obvious liking for standing up in front of adoring crowds. The main differences I see is that Toohey was extremely bright almost from the nursery, while Hogg comes across as having only a mediocre intellect; plus Toohey's M.O. was to manipulate people in subtle ways, playing on their weaknesses. Standing on stage giving a fascist salute while seething with rage would have been too obvious for Toohey.

Martin said...

Maybe being an immature, egotistical a-hole of no special merit isn't a winning strategy for college admission?

Bay Area Guy said...

West Fresno Community College of the Trucking Science could be a good option for young Mr. Hogg.

My cousin Jethto went there.

Comanche Voter said...

If you do "science" at either one of the Cal Poly's it's hard. I've got a friend who retired after a career with NASA at Vandenberg AFB. He said he was surprised he got the entry level job at NASA because he had "graduated in the middle of his class". Well he had an engineering degree from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. And he had indeed graduated in the middle of his class. He started his freshman year with 300 fellow engineering students. The Dean of the engineering school said he would wash out half of that class at the end of the year because he didn't have the classrooms or the faculty to teach that many upper division engineering students. Well the Dean was a man of his word. My friend was one of six out of that three hundred to graduate--and stood third among the six.

You can do it--or you cannot. I suspect Mr. Hogg can not.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Twitchy is reporting that Hogg is now trying to gin up a boycott of Laura Ingraham's sponsors after she tweeted about him not getting into any of the UC schools.

Bad move. I doubt any school will touch him now.

Henry said...

TestTube...
And I doubt that he is advocating many political positions that weren't previously present in his household.

He's advocating positions that are commonplace among on the left. It is one more reason not to personalize the adrenaline rush.

Michael K said...

The Dean of the engineering school said he would wash out half of that class at the end of the year because he didn't have the classrooms or the faculty to teach that many upper division engineering students.

On my first day of Physics (not at Cal Poly) class, the professor said to look at the students in front, in back and to each side of you. At the end if the semester only one of you will still be here.

mockturtle said...

Balfegor suggests: I mean, I'm being mocking there, but I'm also kind of serious. Young people think they have all the answers because they're too ignorant to realise just how little they know and understand.

Wasn't it Alexander Pope who penned:
We think our fathers fools, so wise we grow.
Our wiser sons will no doubt think us so.


Birches said...

I suspect the 1270 is a fudge on his part. 1150 is probably more accurate.

FullMoon said...

Dust Bunny Queen said... [hush]​[hide comment]

Test Tube said...re Hogg I don't see any of this really hurting David in the long run.

I do!!. Psychologically he is now damaged goods. All this unearned, manufactured fame is going to give him an unrealistic and inflated sense of his own importance. He now thinks that he is "really something hot". He thinks that HE is responsible for all this that is happening.


David may end up having a career in politics. On the other hand, he may end up a ToothlessRevolutionary, frustrated and angry with his lack of influence and importance.
I just say, good luck !

Michael K said...

I used to hang out in Marquette Park (specifically, 63rd & S. Kedzie) which was an Irish and Lithuanian neighborhood, mostly, all the way through the 1990s.

I can remember riding a streetcar up Halsted in the 50s and, when we reached about 63rd street and got into the Irish ghetto, the driver would pull up all the outside steps and make a run through 20 blocks without stopping. That was a Saturday night and the drunks were all he was avoiding., Now it's gunshots.

Robert Cook said...

"Maybe being an immature, egotistical a-hole of no special merit isn't a winning strategy for college admission?"

No worries...maybe he can someday be President.

TestTube said...

Ah! Inga! Inga, of the delightfully coquettish profile picture!

Well, yes, but why bother piling on at all? If someone is so far beyond the pale, why bother even reading, let alone responding.

Which bringing us back to young Mr. Hogg, I don't think that much of him at all. It is the organization behind him -- competent, motivated, and somehow very much interested in infringing on my rights -- that I am most concerned with.

Why are they so interested in me, anyway? Why are they so dissatisfied with the way I live my life that they feel the need to actively erode and infringe on, well, really, just about all of my rights. Really, I am a nobody. Why am I, and so many other harmless nobodies, the target of so much of their energy and time?

I can understand the tax thing. See a sheep, you naturally desire some wool. I suppose, too, that sometimes it is fun to chase the sheep around. But there is a line where the meddling with the sheep goes beyond the pale and, frankly, becomes a little weird.

Renee said...

He was talking to the media pretty much the day of the shooting with grandiose ideas of 'doing something'. Just that in itself is a red flag, but his parents fully endorsed his exposure. Maybe if he waited a month, created a non-profit idea then sure. That is what most sane people do. I have teens pretty active in service, not necessarily 'activism'. They are turned off by the activists, all 'talk' more or less.

How are activists any different the paid lobbyists?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

David Hogg pushed back against Laura Ingraham, after her attack on him regarding the college rejections. Why did she feel it was necessary to call attention to this? The same reason Althouse did? Who knows? So Hogg then calls for boycotts of the Ingraham show and gets responses from some of her sponsors who say they are removing their sponsorship. This young man isn’t messing around, good for him. Those who dismiss these young folks are making a mistake.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

His stats aren't that great, he isn't a CA resident, and he ads zero diversity. So not getting in to top flight schools in CA isn't surprising. I don't know what extracurricular activities he was engaged in before the protests and I am unsure of the timing the rejections. I don't see how the current activism would be on his applications, and the decision not to accept him would have been made some time ago. So, he applied to a bunch of schools he knew he probably wouldn't get into, but hey, why not? Maybe he gets lucky. But, now that he has achieved some prominence as an activist he lets it be known that the schools have rejected his application, hoping that they will now reverse their decision.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Well, yes, but why bother piling on at all? If someone is so far beyond the pale, why bother even reading, let alone responding.”

Beyond the pale? Cookie? Nah, not at all. He’s most often very erudite.

Carter Wood said...

Time to rewatch the brilliant 1968 film, "Wild in the Streets."

If you're thirty, you're through!
This is the story of Max Frost, 24 years old...President of the United States...who created the world in his own image. To him, 30 is over the hill. 52% of the nation is under 25...and they've got the power. That's how he became President...it's perhaps the most unusual motion picture you will ever see!

Bilwick said...

I don't dismiss these young folks, Inga, any more than I'd have dismissed Hitler Youth or the Young Stalinists back in the day. Big Tyrants out of Little Statists grow.

Birches said...

Also my very competitive college made us unweight our GPAs for admissions purposes almost twenty years ago. I suspect it is still the same.

Renee said...

"these young folks"


all I am see is that "these young folks" are making the same dumb mistakes as adults, then taking the higher ground.

I have read one of his first interviews with Vox, heis a very foul mouth individual with no interest in public policy.


"Young folks" are fully capable of becoming informs and having an opinion, but that takes the individual after the time of crisis to do their research and make a plan. You just can't get the propaganda of the Women March organizers just spew non-meaningful partisan spew everywhere.


from 03-20-18
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17030294/florida-shooting-survivor-david-hogg-gun-control

1. He isn't a 'survivor'. He nor his sister were in the building. He's a student. Yes. He probably did have something to share/add to understanding and prevention, but isn't really his goal.

All of his interview is just non-sense and anger, directing not even at the killer what so ever, but republicans and the NRA. He refuses any invite from the President, demanding the President COMES TO HIM.

Who the hell does his think he is? How dare he, make such demands. Sure if he was a parent/sibling of a victim, that would be fine.

It is the same way we give anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan her voice, because her lost is real even if you happen to disagree.

buwaya said...

California has two public university systems, the other being Cal State, and then there is of course the community college system.

On the whole the Cal State system is on a "warm body" admissions standard, with a few exceptions, Cal Poly being the biggest. There are schools and majors that are respectable in the system, notably Chico State for engineering tech, San Jose State electrical engineering, etc. And the tuition is very low by modern US standards, its still perfectly feasible to work ones way through college, and with the right course of study its a valuable path of social mobility.

But on the whole for most majors the Cal State system seems a waste of time and money - in this case, the financial waste is on the part of the state, as they pick up much more of the bill than for the UC's. The State system can easily be reorganized into pure vocational training I think, community college with shops and labs. And of course there is tremendous waste in keeping the "college" trappings and administration overhead.

What economic or social need is met by Psychology or Anthropology degrees from Cal State, or similar schools?

MadisonMan said...

The interviewer asks too many leading questions.

Gahrie said...

Maybe being an immature, egotistical a-hole of no special merit isn't a winning strategy for college admission?"

No worries...maybe he can someday be President.


Sure..after all it worked for Obama.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“ Big Tyrants out of Little Statists grow.”

That remains to be seen. Your characterization of these young people is a bit premature, sounds like a knee jerk rejection due to their stance on current gun laws and the NRA.

Michael K said...

The "Cal State" system was originally the state's teachers' college system and did not offer graduate degrees.

They only became "universities" as the UC system filled up and the inflation of college requirements after Duke Power occurred.

David Hogg pushed back against Laura Ingraham, after her attack on him regarding the college rejections. Why did she feel it was necessary to call attention to this? The same reason Althouse did?

Inga, you seem to ignore that HE brought up the subject. Why did he ? I suspect he thinks he can harass a UC school into taking him. I do think he has an inflated opinion of himself.

fivewheels said...

Oh, my heart bleeds for Mr. "We need diversity" now that it's his ox being gored.

Back in the day, I had a higher GPA than him, an SAT score 200 points higher and a list of extracurriculars longer than my **** (it was long), and Berkeley rejected me "for some reason" probably completely unrelated to being the wrong race.

Boo-hoo.

Renee said...

Michael K,

Maybe he wanted to 'shame' the schools that rejected him?

Rick said...

sounds like a knee jerk rejection due to their stance on current gun laws and the NRA.

As usual the left wingers here have no interest in understanding the full story, only advancing the party line.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/22/cant-stop-wont-stop-david-hogg-shoots-his-mouth-off-about-voter-id-reveals-his-latent-racism-again/

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I suspect he thinks he can harass a UC school into taking him.

I wouldn't characterize it as harassmen, he thinks he can get reconsidered due to his current anti 2nd amendment activism. And it wouldn't surprise me if he is correct.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“I do think he has an inflated opinion of himself.”

Not at all uncommon among some folks.

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Kevin said...

Why did she feel it was necessary to call attention to this? The same reason Althouse did?

Anyone else who went on TMZ and said something would be considered fair game for comment. So let's put away the double standards.

What was Laura supposed to do, have yet another discussion about the role of guns in school shootings? Is there something new he might add to the discussion, or something he failed to say in his many other appearances on many other outlets?



He got to say his message to a large TV audience. In exchange he got asked about something he said on TMZ. That's exactly how TV works. Without that there was no reason to have him on.

wbfjrr2 said...

Maybe he’s just stupid. Certainly everything he says about guns is stupid.

At a minimum he lacks common sense and any sense of humility, given he’s just another ignorant kid.

Kevin said...

“I do think he has an inflated opinion of himself.”

When you get to "I'm the one you've been waiting for" territory, you're overinflated way beyond a few PSI.

Kevin said...

Maybe he wanted to 'shame' the schools that rejected him?

Since he believes his words are so powerful he should call for admitted students to boycott those schools. Perhaps even drop out and go somewhere else.

Then he'd see how much actual mind control over people he has.

Michael K said...


Blogger Renee said...
Michael K,

Maybe he wanted to 'shame' the schools that rejected him?


That could be it and is more evidence of his high opinion of himself. I used "inflated" advisedly.


“I do think he has an inflated opinion of himself.”

Not at all uncommon among some folks.


Inga, one benefit of getting old is that one can look back on one's real accomplishments.

JAORE said...

He has now been inflated to the point where he's not sure he needs college. World Changer trumps BS degree.

Trumpit said...

Why is he focused on going to college in California (in a state school)? The standard of living is dropping like a lead balloon. The traffic is oppressive, the cost of housing is high, etc. People are not especially friendly. The beaches are overrated.

He has a growth in both ears than needs medical attention. What does he plan on majoring in? "School shootings" is not an approved major. Rest assured, there will be future mass shootings, and rekindled outrage.
The shooter, Nikolas Cruz, is crazy. Crazy people who can legally obtain high-powered weapons is craziness on steroids. We're asking for it. Justice Stevens is right: all hunters & trappers belong in jail. They kill for fun, so they're not normal. They must be excised from a compassionate society. I'd exercise my right to excise a whole bunch of execrable people from this stinking world exceedingly urgently. A lot of those odorous cretins have nothing better to do than troll around here spewing right-wing pollution. Lock 'em up!

President-Mom-Jeans said...

"This young man isn’t messing around, good for him. Those who dismiss these young folks are making a mistake."

This noodle armed fetal alcohol syndrome faced little cunt is only good for increasing NRA membership and costing democrats house seats in November.

It would be like if CNN and the rest of the media put a microphone and camera in front of your bug eyed fat old ass. An in kind donation to the Republicans.

Renee said...

I believe the Hogg family moved from California to Florida three years ago.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-florida-shooting-freshmen-20180216-story.html
The headline is misleading, it is all about Lauren Hogg who wasn't even the building where the shootings occcured.

"At the school's television studio in a nearby building, 14-year-old Lauren Hogg had crawled behind a set, wedged between students she had never talked to before. They held hands, sometimes so hard her hands went numb.

Lauren had dreamed of going to high school with her older brother, a junior, ever since they moved to Parkland three years ago from Torrance"

"Alyssa's funeral was first, a Jewish service held Friday morning. Lauren wanted to go, having seen grief counselors the day before, but "my mom said I wasn't ready."

Luke's funeral is scheduled Sunday at an Evangelical church; Alaina's is Monday at a Mormon church. Lauren may attend those."

Why because she had to do TV interviews?

Renee said...

I believe the Hogg family moved from California to Florida three years ago.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-florida-shooting-freshmen-20180216-story.html
The headline is misleading, it is all about Lauren Hogg who wasn't even the building where the shootings occcured.

"At the school's television studio in a nearby building, 14-year-old Lauren Hogg had crawled behind a set, wedged between students she had never talked to before. They held hands, sometimes so hard her hands went numb.

Lauren had dreamed of going to high school with her older brother, a junior, ever since they moved to Parkland three years ago from Torrance"

"Alyssa's funeral was first, a Jewish service held Friday morning. Lauren wanted to go, having seen grief counselors the day before, but "my mom said I wasn't ready."

Luke's funeral is scheduled Sunday at an Evangelical church; Alaina's is Monday at a Mormon church. Lauren may attend those."

Why because she had to do TV interviews?

TestTube said...

Inga, I agree that we should not dismiss these young people.

We should respect them much as we respect a knife, club or firearm -- harmless in and of themselves, but dangerous when wielded by a capable entity who intends us harm.

WHY these entities intend us harm, I don't know. As an example, members of American gun culture (such as NRA members) are scrupulously observant of not only laws but social conventions.

I'd think that these entities would want to encourage and support that sort of thing -- especially that so many OTHER parts of the progressive platform depend on defining laws and social conventions in their favor.

But no, an outright assault targeted with pinpoint precision on that very segment of society!

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