TMZ reports:
David has been rejected by the 4 University of California campuses where he submitted applications -- UCLA, UCSD, UCSB and UC Irvine. He says the rejection letters came 2 weeks ago. He has a 4.2 GPA and an SAT score of 1270.1270 is slightly above the average SAT score for UC Irvine. Numbers aren't enough, of course. Soft variables matter. But the teenager's activism, organizing the March For Our Lives, is extraordinary. So it's almost as if the schools are repelled by him (in secret) — the way many gun-rights people are repelled (openly). What's up schools? Are your values phony? Do you want pliable mush minds to shape and not an irksome, pesky, know-it-all, loudmouth kid?
This is — I hypothesize — what happens when institutions internalize political activism and why youthful political activism cannot be what it was in the 1960s.
I haven't watched David Hogg's political speeches, only this video. To my eye, he looks stressed and troubled. I don't know how independent he is, who if anyone is using or abusing him, how much sleep he gets, how confused and addled he may feel after such an intense time in the spotlight (immediately after the trauma of the Parkland massacre).
I wish some school with a traditional, structured approach to education would reach out to him so he'd have a good place to develop his mind and get some footing for his activism. He should want to avoid the shapers of pliable mush minds to give himself a chance to grow into mature political activism... or to turn his back on the whole thing and do something else with his life.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 303 of 303David Hogg does remind me of Donald Trump, just saying.
“WHY these entities intend us harm, I don't know.”
Why do you think they intend to harm you, us, Americans in general? Because they express opinions and are activists against the NRA and lax gun laws, you believe they intend to harm you? Really, wow, seems overblown.
Not being able to defend one and one's family seems like a pretty big harm for those who believe it is their primary duty.
Maybe he's an activist just for his resume, like putting up with smelly people at a soup kitchen for a few hours to get into his preferred college.
Inga, if you think gun laws are "lax" you might have some education to do.
But, of course, you won't.
I think it most likely that the schools processed his application some time ago, and simply didn't see any special qualities included in the application, at that time. Had he a chance to amend his application, I think they'd all over him.
His grades and test scores are a bit underwhelming for the University of California -- there are countless similar California students already on wait lists.
"'"Maybe being an immature, egotistical a-hole of no special merit isn't a winning strategy for college admission?"
'No worries...maybe he can someday be President.'
"Sure..after all it worked for Obama."
To name only one of many, and not excluding those who preceded and succeeded him.
RC North Florida isn't the Florida for a New York City fella. When the hassle of NYC gets to be too much, South East Florida is the place for you. Broward or Palm Beach counties. Monroe county (the Keys) if you like that sort of vibe.
As for Hogg, once I get past the intense irritation he evokes in me ( he does have a face that demands punching) it appears the kid was not guided properly. The parent appear to be at fault here. While his SAT score isn't stellar it isn't bad at all. Unknown from the article is if he had test tutoring. He might have done better if he had. He might have scored higher on the ACT. I don't know whether or not he graduates in the top ten percent of his class, in FL that is supposed to get you a seat in the Florida State system.
In 2009 my elder daughter graduated in the top ten percent of her IB program and even with a FL Prepaid 529 they turned her down. They also turned down her friends who were accepted to Harvard, MIT, Northwestern and other top schools so I suspect it was a money thing and out of state and foreign full freight students were the desired students. Anyway, Hogg should have applied to more schools in other areas. He might have had better options.
"Maybe he's an activist just for his resume, like putting up with smelly people at a soup kitchen for a few hours to get into his preferred college."
I agree with you. Why does one need to go to Princeton to take English 101 or any of the 101's? A 2-year college is designed to get the beginning stuff out of the way, then you can more efficiently transfer to a university to complete your undergraduate education. Going straight from high school to a university is a waste of resources in my opinion.
“Not being able to defend one and one's family seems like a pretty big harm for those who believe it is their primary duty.”
How are these young activists advocating for people to not be able to own guns and protect their families? BTW, must one own a gun in order to protect one’s family? Does one need an AR15 in order to protect one’s family? Does one need their representatives in DC to be owned by the NRA in order promote lax gun laws? Many of the reactions to these young activists border on hysteria
There are many public and private backup schools for the UC's, that are a step or two up from the Cal State system, and moreover they usually give discounts to more or less match UC tuition so as to be more competitive. Some are OR and WA and AZ State, Lewis&Clark in OR, etc. Kids got various offers from these. The kids even got offers for "scholarships" (competitive discounts) from Texas A&M, which is also, on a test score basis, in the category of a UC backup school.
While he does not bring color diversity, he does offer character (other than the intrinsic diversity of individual dignity) diversity. The institutions that hold "diversity" as a religious/moral good should, despite his lack of academic merit, embrace him on principle and under the state-established Church.
@Inga, could you please list Laura Ingraham's sponsors who have dropped her show in response to David Hogg's efforts to get a boycott going? Thank you.
Thanks, Renee. Definitely makes more sense that he'd want to go to a California school.
Re: Birches @ 10:46
UC schools allow weighting. But out-state students only get credit for AP courses. In-state kids get credit for vanilla honors courses:
http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/counselors/q-and-a/honors/index.html#4
Students apply after junior year of HS. Many AP classes aren't even an option until senior year. Doesn't help that Hogg's "non-resident applicant" peers are China's best & brightest. That is a massive pool of competitors.
On a more subjective level, Hogg seems to be aiming for the "beach" schools. He would almost certainly be accepted to Merced or Riverside, which are located in CA's flyover country.
Probably full up on assholes already.
Inga, 11:37:
I was coming home from another event while marchers from our local March For Life demonstration were beginning to make their way home.
There was a lot of hate on their signs. I start from a position of respectful disagreement, and the hope of finding common ground, but "Our Blood Is On Your Hands" (one of the more polite ones that caught my eye, actually) does trigger my f%^&-you reflex: No. It's not your blood, and it's not on my hands.
I try to resist the temptation to pick out the worst of my opponents and assume they're representative, but I think of commenter Geoff, in the New York Times:
"People need to face the choice: Keep your guns vs keep your kids....That's how we fix this. We would take their kids away and bring them to a safer place because they don't know how to protect them."
He may not be representative. He's not all that rare either. I don't assume you agree with him - but would you have challenged him, if you'd been on that comment thread? Would you Resist(TM) if somehow he got his way and went about putting his vision into action?
Every time I'm about ready to entertain the argument that we should rethink the Second Amendment, or at least maximalist interpretations of it, I come across someone like this who makes me thank God for it. Someone who would like to lock me away, or take my kids away because I disagree with him on a major policy question.
Buwaya - Thanks for pointing out there are two Cal Poly's! SLO and Pomona. My daughter went to SLO and I went to Pomona.
My take on UC Rankings - probably more of a ethnic Chinese prestige ranking:
Top Tier:
Berkeley #1
UCLA #2
San Diego #3
Middle:
Davis
Irvine
Santa Barbara
Lower:
Santa Cruz
Riverside
Merced
My daughter went through the admission process around 7 years ago (wow - how time flies). She got rejected by UCLA, San Diego, Berkeley, Irvine, but accepted by Santa Barbara. As her Math Tutor, who also does college coaching explained, it's basically a crap shoot. He has one student rejected by San Diego, that got into Berkeley.
Ethnic Group has a huge bearing on admission, which upsets my mixed daughter (Chinese & White) a lot. Overseas Chinese are courted for the top UC's, since they pay a lot more.
Cal Poly SLO basis admissions on scores and grades. They don't do the holistic BS. Legislature complains they don't have enough XYZ students, and their reply is pay for the admission process so we can, and that ends that discussion.
What matters more is majors. The set up for the UC's and State Schools are a mess. Cal Poly SLO is the best Cal state school, and equivalent to a middle UC. Theoretically Santa Barbara is better than SLO, but if you dig into it, the majors offered are not great for a well paying job. The only UC that has an under graduate in business is Berkeley. My daughter got a degree in MIS. For undergraduates, I feel my daughter got a much better education at Cal Poly that was much more practical, that was much better than at a UC and got a great job after graduation. The Cal Poly's have an educational idea, of learn by doing. For Masters, UC's are the place to go. And the political BS is not as bad at SLO, as it is in the UC System.
Statists want to hurt us, Inga. And by "us" I mean "people who value freedom." That lets you out; although the sad news for you is that once in power, statists inevitably devour their own.
Re: ManleyPointer:
Students apply after junior year of HS. Many AP classes aren't even an option until senior year.
That has to depend on the school -- I was taking AP classes as a freshman in high school. Seniors might have the highest priority for seats in those classes, but if the school has sized its classes appropriately, that shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Weird Al went to Cal Poly.
BTW, must one own a gun in order to protect one’s family?
Depends on where you live. If, like you, one lives in a wealthy, gated community with armed patrols then a gun of your own may be superfluous. In other places, it's like a fire extinguisher in the kitchen; one expects never to need it but if one does need it, then the need is immediate.
Does one need an AR15 in order to protect one’s family?
It's an outstanding choice. Because of the sexual dimorphism in h. sapiens it is useful to have a long gun for home defense that is readily adjustable to fit both husband and wife. The AR does that very nicely thanks to its adjustable butt stock. Set it for the woman, and if the man needs to use the gun then just slide back to the full extent -- a quarter second tops. It also has a very low recoil for several technical reasons, and it comes with Pickatinny rails that let one mount red dot sights, laser sights, and other items to improve aim during emergencies.
Does one need their representatives in DC to be owned by the NRA in order promote [sic] lax gun laws?
But our gun laws aren't lax. Enforcement can be lax -- in the cases of Devin Patrick Kelley at Sutherland Springs and Nikolas Cruz at Stoneman Douglas High School the enforcement clearly was lax. And our representatives in DC aren't "owned" by the NRA; many of them needed the votes of gun owners to win election and to keep being reelected. The NRA is not like MoveOn.org or any of a number of shadowy left-wing organizations created, funded, and directed by crazy billionaires like Tom Steyer and George Soros. It represents 6 million gun owners who belong to it and probably three or four times that many who don't pay the annual dues but do pay attention to the NRA's ratings of political candidates.
Hogg reminds me of the kids in the movie The Killing Fields, who put the plastic bags over the heads of their victims, because to waste a bullet on an execution was unthinkable. If he does not get his way, and he won't, what will he do next? I'm guessing he'll shoot up a school, or maybe an NRA convention, and then claim his actions prove his point about firearms needing banned.
4.2, but only 1270. Doesn't quite jive. Could be explained by easy graders b/c kid is a loud-mouthed, arrogant person.
Whoa whoa whoa
4.2 out of what, 5? What letter or % grade does that equal?
What kind of coursework?
1270? Is that out of 1600 as back in my day, or out of 2400 as it is now? 1270/2400 is practically a moron! Like an 870 out of 1600? That's a football basket-weaving score!
@Ray, I know a young man who went to UC Santa Barbara a decade or so ago. He also had an acceptance letter from Harvey Mudd. Beautiful campus, with the Pacific Ocean on two sides of the campus. While he was there one of the physicists got a Nobel for his earlier work in quantum chromodynamics. The chancellor made up all sorts of signs and was going to host a reception. Then the poor chancellor had to change his plans -- because a week or so later one of their professors in economics got a second Nobel for the campus and he needed new signs and a larger reception. A lot of chancellors at a lot of universities would sell their grandmothers into slavery for that sort of problem!
Cal Poly SLO is about as hard to get into these days as UC Berkeley, just as per test scores and, more so, by the usually stringent demands of each major. The Engineering majors have definitions of competitive applicants that require a definite plan by High School Freshmen, specific AP or community college or even State U courses - one I recall required Materials Science credit, and that's not an AP. A hard thing for immature kids.
A 2-year college is designed to get the beginning stuff out of the way, then you can more efficiently transfer to a university to complete your undergraduate education. Going straight from high school to a university is a waste of resources in my opinion.
I agree with you. My middle daughter was not sure what she wanted to do and not too eager about a 4 year college so she went to a junior college for two years and transferred to UCLA where she graduated and got a Masters.
My youngest and oldest each went to four year colleges, Arizona for the youngest and USC for the oldest who then went on to law school. I was not very happy with Arizona and the USC experience was in the 80s before the present left wing thing got going.
BTW, must one own a gun in order to protect one’s family?
Yes. As Big Mike explained. It depends on where you live. I our area response time to an emergency call can be anywhere from 30 minutes (which is fast) to an hour or more. Rural and with very skimpy coverage.
In addition, protection isn't just against "bad" people. That is actually the least of our worries, although with the latest catch and release program in the County, it is becoming more relevant.
We also need to protect against Mountain Lions, and Bears (oh my) and other predators bobcats, coyotes and feral dogs which routinely roam through our property. I do NOT go outside at dusk or dawn without being armed.
Not everyplace is a cozy suburban protected area.
I wish I had an AR-15 for the very reasons that Big Mike specifies. It is a good utilitarian SEMI automatic rifle.
I will suggest that 1270 is not high enough for an out of state student. THe UC system is task to take the top 1/8 of the high school students in California. I do not at this time know what the allotment is for out of state students. UC would like more because they pay a whole lot more that in state students do. He may need to be above 1500 to get in.
@big Mike
USCB is a better fit in some areas. Harvey Mudd I would rank over UCSB, but again it matters on the major.
My take on UC Santa Barbara:
Great school if you are into a science, and they have a world class Ocean Program and beautiful campus with their own private beach. My daughter was not interested in Engineering or a Science, so her major would have been music. And we have picked up the fact that having a major in music is not a great career path. One of my Grandmother's went to a predecessor of UCSB, but did not have the money for her diploma during the depression, so never officially graduated.
If you look at party school rankings, UCSB is way up there (there was a web page with a lot of details on this I found). And the person that did the admission, Chinese, spoke about how he had changed majors 3 times!
My daughter's purpose was to go to college, get the degree ASAP (3 years), and get a good job. UCSB felt like a bad fit for her goals. And if you dig down (it was hidden), the starting salaries for UCSB graduates is not great, same with the hiring rate. SLO was a LOT better and the information was on the front page of the business school's web page. UCSB seem to expect you get a Masters, and then get a job. I did a comparison between UCSB and Cal Poly SLO, and she decided on SLO. It was a hard decision, because a UC has a lot more prestige in the Chinese community than SLO.
"A 2-year college is designed to get the beginning stuff out of the way, then you can more efficiently transfer to a university to complete your undergraduate education. Going straight from high school to a university is a waste of resources in my opinion."
Yes, I went to a 2 year community college before transferring to University of Florida, (where I spent 2 and 2/3 years, as I changed my major 2/3 of the way into my first year at UF).
I consider the education I got at the community college to be as good as what I received at UF.
Why? It's hard to get into U of California schools, esp. if you're an out-of-state student.
State funding subsidizes the school. Slots are limited. It's not like applying 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 years ago. Times have changed.
State schools don't have the admissions staff workers to do the kind of sorting they do at Ivys or elite schools. Energy and time sorting students costs money. It's a couple of categories and it's easy number crunching.
in state vs. out of state/ SAT/ GPA
"Hogg said he 'hung up on the White House the other day' after he received a call to attend Trump's listening session.
He called the timing of the invitation 'very offensive considering the fact that there were funerals the next day, there was mourning we still had to do.'
'I ended on this message with them. I said, 'We don't need to listen to President Trump. President Trump needs to listen to the screams of the children and the screams of this nation,' Hogg said." (http://www.businessinsider.com/david-hogg-hung-up-on-white-house-invite-trump-listening-session-2018-3)
Honestly, I don't think Hogg's activism and fame would actually help convince anyone to accept him.
Perhaps Mr. Hogg can self-identify as one of the numerous protected classes.
Those are good, not great, scores. For an able bodied straight white male, they are positively awful. The only thing worse for his admissions chances would be if he was an Asian guy.
Are you serious? A 4.2 GPA with a 1240 SAT? I graduated from a small town, Ohio high school in the early 80s with a 3.75 GPA and a 1500 SAT. That was par for course in that high school. We had only a handful of 4.0 students. One of them, my chemistry lab partner, darn her, had a 4.0 GPA and a 1600 SAT. The other 4.0 GPA graduates all had SATs in the 1570-1590 range. Any one with a 1240 SAT would have been looking at maybe a 2.7 GPA. Can you say, grade inflation?
2 year vs just going to a 4 year in California.
The danger of a 2 year is for some students, they never leave. They are not focused. You can also end up with a lot of unnecessary classes, that don't transfer.
By going to a 4 year college you can just power through.
The advantage, as one of my daughter's friends did, was go to a 2 year, get your GPA up, and then transfer as her friend did, to UCLA. And this saves a lot of money. UC's were around $30K a year.
And last I read, it was hard to get classes and their was a huge amount of over crowing at California community colleges. And their graduation rate was horrible.
What I recommend is for High School students to take as many community college classes that they can. My cousins kids had a special program in their High School, Tustin, where they graduated high school and by taking community college classes, actually got a 2 year degree. I wish my daughter's school had offered that. For some reason, colleges think a lot more of a community college class, than a high school class (which does not always make sense). Plus, for the time in class a community college class gets a lot more credit than a high school AP Test pass. A year of AP class may get you a semester credit. A year in a community college class, is double that. And no issues on how many credits university will accept (some colleges cap the amount of AP credits they will take).
I wonder why David Hogg is publicizing his college rejections. Because he belongs to a generation that shares everything? Or because he hopes to get into somewhere better than Cal State San Marcos or Florida Atlantic? (Cal Poly is a very good school for science/engineering, but not for other subjects.)
I agree that the admissions decisions almost certainly were made before the Feb. 14 massacre. UC campuses don't have as many admissions staffers as elite private colleges: I don't think they go over applications to see if someone who's now famous was in the reject pool.
I predict he will spend a year giving speeches, then reapply to college.
@Ray, glad to see that you and your daughter did the research, and happier still that her choice worked out for her.
Ray is right in every respect, and that is indeed a common route into the UC's.
UC's actually do the same type of Ivy League admission processing. They have the essays and look at extra curricular activities (how many whales did you save), your life story (you lost your Father, oh, poor baby - unfortunately I heard the Father was still doing well), etc.
Cal State's don't last I heard. That is why Cal Poly SLO has an over representation of White students. Not of Asian students, since UC's have a lot more prestige. You see an over representation of Asian students at the top UC's.
There was an admission rep. that went to my daughter's high school. It was for minorities, which was fine. So all the Asian students went since they are theoretically a minority, and were told they were the wrong minority...
Ann, if you'll pardon the slight digression -- You mentioned that you've seen a fair number of students whose GPAs are much higher than their test scores (relative to the median of each.) I'm guessing those students don't work out well.
Have you ever seen the reverse, where the test scores are much higher than the GPA? How do those tend to work out?
His application was in and decided upon before the shooting, so he would have been just another applicant. My son applied to the same schools last year with similar qualifications and similar results. He was accepted at one of the colleges where Hogg was rejected, and rejected from the school where Hogg was accepted.
Now if he had answered the question about his gender "correctly", I'm sure he would have been accepted everywhere. The options are male; female; trans male/trans man; trans female/trans woman; gender queer/gender non-conforming; and different identity. Not kidding.
If he's going to be a political activist, he doesn't need a mind of his own. He needs to follow along with his narrative no matter what. For that he's more than qualified already. Now all he needs is a credential.
Vader,
"Have you ever seen the reverse, where the test scores are much higher than the GPA? How do those tend to work out?"
You were addressing Althouse, but I hope you (and she) won't mind if I offer my observation, of students admitted to PhD programs in my corner of science: This combination is common with talented but unfocused or undisciplined individuals. Sometimes they pull their act together and hit it out of the park. More often they do not, and their story is one of under-realized potential.
It's tricky, figuring out which ones to bet on.
Does one need an AR15 in order to protect one’s family? - Inga
Why do people like you insist you get to determine what I do and do not need?
“Why do people like you insist you get to determine what I do and do not need?”
I’m asking you to explain why you need such a weapon for home security. Are you not able to answer? I don’t give a shit what sort of gun you own, just express why you think you need it. I don’t think for a minute that the ownership of guns will decrease or be endangered until idiots like you croak of old age and younger people are old enough to make a difference with their votes.
"just express why you think you need it."
Inga, I live in a nice community but one that has the homes spread out. Tucson has significant crime but it is not in our area. However, as is happening in Chicago, eventually the criminals realize that Sutton;'s Law is real.
The criminals are starting to go to neighborhoods that are more likely to have stuff to steal.
I am prepared. The AR 15 is in the gun safe but a loaded Colt .45 1911 is in the bedside stand.
We are about to go out to the gun range to shoot the AR 15 so excuse me.
I’m asking you to explain why you need such a weapon for home security. Are you not able to answer?
Big Mike gave an excellent and detailed reason, at 12:04
Are you unable to read?
Here:
Does one need an AR15 in order to protect one’s family?
It's an outstanding choice. Because of the sexual dimorphism in h. sapiens it is useful to have a long gun for home defense that is readily adjustable to fit both husband and wife. The AR does that very nicely thanks to its adjustable butt stock. Set it for the woman, and if the man needs to use the gun then just slide back to the full extent -- a quarter second tops. It also has a very low recoil for several technical reasons, and it comes with Pickatinny rails that let one mount red dot sights, laser sights, and other items to improve aim during emergencies.
“Big Mike gave an excellent and detailed reason, at 12:04
Are you unable to read?”
I read your comment and Big Mike’s. My comment was directed at “Jim at”, who I suspect is unable to elucidate why he needs such weapons for home security. Don’t coddle him.
Gun experts say the AR-15 is a very effective tool for home defense. But why one needs to justify the purchase of one to "liberals" (not only the Stupidest People on Earth but people of so servile a mentality that the very concept of self-defense--except for maybe carrying a roll of quarters in one's fist--seems to be foreign or abhorrent to them) is beyond me.
My comment was directed at “Jim at”, who I suspect is unable to elucidate why he needs such weapons for home security. Don’t coddle him.
Do you expect every single commentator on this blog to make a personal statement, to YOU, as to why they want/need something? What next. Shall we be forced to justify what kind of bath soap we need/want or what kind of protection we use for birth control? None of these things, including what we (legally) use for home protection or self defense are any of your business. If we were using rocket launchers...you might have a point. We aren't and you don't.
Get over yourself. You're not our Mom....although I know you are old enough to be for some commenters. (Speaking of old people dying off...you first Grammy)
Big Mike explained this too you. Unless you have dementia, once should be enough.
“Do you expect every single commentator on this blog to make a personal statement, to YOU, as to why they want/need something?”
He quoted me in his comment, which was directed at me, intimating I want to snatch his guns. It’s reasonable to expect him to put his money where his mouth is, but I suspect he’s mostly mouth.
Plus DBQ, relax with the Molon Labe mentality, no one’s going to snatch your Labia. 😉
@Inga, when you write that no one wants to grab our guns, are you lying to us, or are you lying to yourself?
Asking for a friend.
Sigh. So the surprise is that he cannot use his momentary fame to get into college? what next - "How can you reject me? I have a huge following on instagram!" ?
Things like AR-15's are not in fact necessary for home security, if one considers the most likely (urban/suburban) scenarios. A pistol is much handier and easier to keep in reach. A shotgun is much less likely to over-penetrate and quite deadly/intimidating enough at short ranges. The blast of a 12-guage fired indoors is its own sort of intimidation.
If one were concerned about intruders crossing your property, say if you were a border rancher troubled by drug traffickers, an AR-15/AK-47 would be a reasonable choice of a weapon to keep in your vehicle, as you may possibly be confronted with several well-armed men. But this is very much an edge case. You would be prudent to be as well armed as the border patrol. But rural banditry is not (yet) as common in the US as it is in Mexico.
Now, if the point of being armed were simply home defense, the limited edge cases where a semi-automatic large magazine capacity rifle would be substantially superior to other options would not justify them.
But that's not at all the point of owning such a weapon, and personal defense is not the point of the 2nd Amendment either. Both are political things, not really meant for specific personal benefit. It is a direct descendant of the ancient Roman and Greek requirement for a citizen, a free man, to keep a panoplia, a set of war-gear. This was both symbolic of his status as well as a measure to ensure the liberty of his community. The "original intent" of the 2nd Amendment was that it is intended as a backstop against tyranny.
People regularly refuse to engage with the political nature of this, especially the anti-. Its the elephant in the room that no-one wants to mention.
Even you don't know the kid's age. Neither do I. Neither, it seems, does anyone else. Perhaps he's not getting into school because he's graduated, still lives with his parents, rides a bike instead of a car and lies about his age on college apps. Just a theory. I don't know if he lied. Or care. But why hasn't Big Journalism at least nailed down the kid's age? His AGE?!?! This is one of the first thing any journo learns to do.
Why shouldn't someone choose an AR-15?
1270 is actually the 84th percentile for last year's SAT. Look it up.
Anybody who thinks that is going to get them into a UC, as an out-of-state student without significant other advantages, is delusional.
TestTube,
"Talking about piling on, why pile on Robert Cook? I'm not finding a comment he made in this thread that I can't respect. [emphasis added]"
Ah, another commenter for whom history begins anew every morning.
Althouse, Meade:
"I'd exercise my right to excise a whole bunch of execrable people from this stinking world exceedingly urgently."
I guess it's time to make a serious effort to report Trumpit for terroristic threats.
The "original intent" of the 2nd Amendment was that it is intended as a backstop against tyranny.
It was designed to enable a population that may be called to form a Militia. While there is no longer an immediate need, there remains a potential for that choice. Incidentally, the right affirmed by the Second Amendment, assured and invited the development of skills that would be needed by a Militia, are also used in self-defense, hunting for food, and in animal control.
Also, in practice, the collateral damage, forced instability, and monetary costs arising from the Second Amendment are unequivocally less than under the rites and rights affirmed by the twilight Amendment and social liberalization generally.
And, I think, that unwillingness to engage in the political reasons for maintaining a well-armed public is telling. This is one of those uncomfortable things that people like to deflect, because they are not equipped to argue.
A common one, when backed into a corner, is to cite, say, Afghanistan or Somalia. This is not honest argumentation.
Phil 3:14 said...
The UC schools also have a preference for California residents.
Exactly.
He's a bit of a long shot candidate for all those California schools, based on his academics. Who knows if the activism was on the radar screen when they were ranking him for admission.
Last year, the average SAT for CA residents admitted to Berkeley was 1334. The average SAT for non-residents admitted was 1455.
http://admissions.berkeley.edu/student-profile
1270 is almost 200 points below the out-of-state average. They can afford to be picky.
But rural banditry is not (yet) as common in the US as it is in Mexico.
Except southern Arizona.
All the UC schools mentioned are ones close to the beach. Cal Poly SLO is also close to the beach. (This is why these schools have so many applicants.)
P.S. Boss Hogg Jr. might be shocked by how cold the Pacific Ocean off the California coast is compared to the ocean waters of Florida. The waters off Long Island, NY are warmer than California's.
Does one need an AR15 in order to protect one’s family?
Yes, because the Bad Guys have them.
And gun control laws won't prevent the Bad Guys from having them. Only the good guys like us.
Liberals don't even want to put Killers in jail. The idea they'll take the guns away from the Crooks is laughable. See: Chicago, NYC, DC, etc.
"Yes, because the Bad Guys have them."
The bad guys rarely use them. They are inconvenient for nearly all bad guy purposes, under current social conditions. Should these devolve, in the US, to the condition of Mexico in places like rural Guerrero province, then it would be something else.
Get over yourself. You're not our Mom....although I know you are old enough to be for some commenters. (Speaking of old people dying off...you first Grammy)
Agrrrd. Stop being a troll if you don't want to be treated as one. I'm done engaging. I will remember the next time I am tempted to respond.
The Average application of California resident Asian Students to these Campuses is 4.5 with about a 1500 SAT
If he was even a California Resident and got in over an Asian Student like that, if I was the Asian parent I'd sue the hell out of everybody
My very talented High GPA High SAT WHITE student did what a lot of students do and the UC's prefer.
Let the JUNIOR Colleges do the Freshman and Sophomore educational CHORES. He Graduated a Highly Ranked California Junior College with a 4.0 GPA and got an Automatic Transfer to University of California at Berkeley where he graduated with a high GPA, I forget but not 4.0.
I suspect they also wanted a "token Conservative" at Berkeley to round out their student body.
For white kids, the Junior Colleges that are connected to your UC campus of choice, to UC route is increasingly open and available.
Inga said...
How are these young activists advocating for people to not be able to own guns and protect their families? BTW, must one own a gun in order to protect one’s family? Does one need an AR15 in order to protect one’s family?
Because you have friends like hodgkinson, who you still refuse to denounce, who are willing to shoot their political enemies and a few million people like you who believe Scalise deserved to get shot.
The left always resorts to violence. You have been cheering violence against us for two years and you never miss a chance to tell us how terrible we are.
People like you are the reason we need modern weapons to defend our freedom. It is clear the left will gut the bill of rights the first chance they get.
If you step out into politics, you step out into politics. There's no one way street where you get to be a public figure making denouncements and demands without opening yourself up to the same.
If you're simply a victim speaking your piece, that's one thing. Most people will give you a pass even if they think you are wrong. But once you start having rallies and trying to set up boycotts, you've entered into something else entirely.
My daughter has been applying to colleges this year. You can’t know what a 4.2 GPA means unless you understand the grading system at the high school. If they grade on a 5-point scale, his 4.2 is the equivalent of a 3.4. If he’s taken AP classes at a school with a 4 point scale, it could be 4.2. You can’t know unless you look at his transcript. You also can’t know whether he’s taken classes that college prep level or more for the general high school population. A 1270 SAT is decent, but not great — it’s the equivalent of a 27-28 on the ACT scale.
I would guess the schools he was applying to all get a lot of applications and they probably weeded him out well before his name hit the papers, strictly on the okay SAT score. The four schools he listed are among the very best in the UC system. If he’d applied at any of the UW schools except maybe Madison, he’d have been admitted. He could also get into most any public university in Florida with those numbers, or a good liberal arts school in most parts of the country, especially the ones that take a chance on kids with less-than-stellar scores. But I suppose it’s a lot more fun to be at Irvine than at Ripon College, or Platteville, or even Florida State. If he wants to go to school in California, he might have to go to Stanislaus or San Diego State instead of UC-San Diego. If he can get over his sense of entitlement, there’s a school for him.
" But I suppose it’s a lot more fun to be at Irvine"
Not according to many at Irvine!
Though the weather is much better than most places.
"He has a 4.2 GPA and an SAT score of 1270".
Does he have a 4.2 GPA and an SAT score of 1270, or...
Does he say he has a 4.2 GPA and an SAT score of 1270?
@buwaya, I'm going to disagree with you, sort of. But first, a caveat. Please note that I wrote that the AR-15 is "an outstanding choice" for home defense. I do think that's right. But I didn't say it was "necessary." Every person needs to decide what makes the most sense for defending their own home. Some may decide they don't want or need a gun. Many would opt for a handgun, or perhaps one gun for him and another one for the wife. I believe that a person who picks a shotgun has made a conscious or unconscious decision that the wife either gets her own gun or won't participate in home defense. Or perhaps she's very strong or personally very skilled. I think that my shotgun would knock my wife on her butt, which is not conducive to good defense. Again, choice is up to the individuals.
Personally I don't own an AR, but I do respect the right of an individual to make that decision for themselves.
There must be cause to deny a natural and civil right. An AR-15 is not a weapon of mass abortion. It can be used in self-defense. It can be used to develop qualified skills. This isn't Pro-Choice. This isn't elective abortion and recycling of wholly innocent human lives.... clumps of cells by the religious left and liberal/libertarian nexus. This cannot be argued by those sects and factions through a twilight loophole. They will need to do better in order to deny people's choice and rights.
I’m asking you to explain why you need such a weapon for home security. - Inga
You don't know my situation. Nor is it any of your damn business what I do and do not need, any more than it's my business to know yours.
But it's people like you who insist you get a say in my life and how I live it.
Well, no. You don't.
endangered until idiots like you croak of old age and younger people are old enough to make a difference with their votes.
You'll be dead long before I will, Jill Stein Voter. Queen of the Idiots.
intimating I want to snatch his guns.
Gawd, you're stupid.
I asked - specifically - why you think YOU get to determine what I do or do not need.
It's addressing your sheer arrogance ... not any fevered dream of Inga the Terrible taking my precious guns.
Big Mike: I believe that a person who picks a shotgun has made a conscious or unconscious decision that the wife either gets her own gun or won't participate in home defense. Or perhaps she's very strong or personally very skilled. I think that my shotgun would knock my wife on her butt, which is not conducive to good defense. Again, choice is up to the individuals.
I agree. It is a choice. The 12 gauge Mossberg Pump is mine for the house, and I have owned it since the late 1970's. Yes. It does have a kick, but you just learn to lean into it and deal with it. Plus the stock has a recoil pad which helps. My choice because 1. I love the intimidating ka-chunk sound. 2. You don't need to be very precise in an emergency. 3. I can use it for goose hunting, which I do very infrequently anymore. I would hate to use it inside the house because the sheet rock repairs would be expensive :-) And fortunately, I have never had to even consider such a thing.
We do have other guns with other calibers for other purposes. Hunting. Small game. Large game. Varmints and snakes. Long distance. Short distances. Personal protection. We also have a gun safe for safety and to be legal and for protection OF the guns themselves.
I don't have an AR but if I had the opportunity. I would. A Lady Savage would be nice too.
Guns are just tools. You use the right tool for the job intended and one that suits your personal attributes and ones that you are comfortable with. Height, weight, arm length. Which is why the AR-15 is appealing for men AND women.
I don't understand why people freak out so much about guns in general. They are inanimate objects.
I have an AR 15 and my grandson has fired it.
It has a mild recoil, much less than a Garand or other .30 calibre rifle.
I also have a 30 30 lever action. Ammunition is very expensive for it, unlike the AR 15.
My wife has arthritis and cannot work the slide even on my little Walther PPK.
So I got her a .38 special revolver which she can fire and has taken classes with it.
Left wingers like Inga have no idea about guns and are usually afraid of them.
I got my first gun at 9 although I was 11 before I was allowed to carry it hunting loaded.
My middle daughter got a gun at 13. My older daughter is an FBI agent and carries her 40 calibre everywhere, even on airplanes.
My oldest son is a left wing trial lawyer and is the only one in the family who does not have a gun.
“I asked - specifically - why you think YOU get to determine what I do or do not need.”
I asked you a question first, which you are either too stupid to answer or too cowardly. Both probably. Instead you jump to a paranoid conclusion. Yes you are a retarded newt.
@DBQ, I'll stand on what I said. Choice is yours, as it should be, though I wouldn't count on racking the slide to scare away a bad guy. In your shoes I'd have a shell chambered. Just sayin'
What I recommend is for High School students to take as many community college classes that they can.
I tell all my high school juniors to take gov/econ at a community college over the summer. Many do.
Well, I'm certainly glad that my youngest is scheduled to graduate this spring from a nice central PA college, and doubly glad that we spaced our kids 4 years apart. No doubling of tuition. The eldest had an ACT of 32 - we made both take the ACT and SAT - but he wanted a small college situation, not some university anonymity. A campus not too close, not too far from home. Worked well. As for shooting, my daughter is a better shot than my son, and she handles the AR platform and 9mm handguns just fine. Except for some of my historic weapons from say 1858-1970, nothing has been discharged at anything but paper and clay birds, and has not disturbed the peace of my neighborhood (although there is a 1916 .303 SMLE with post WW2 Ostereich Polizei stamps I wish could talk) and I order ammunition delivered by UPS when it is cheaper than me reloading. Should they be boycotted?
those aren't cigarettes those are bluetooth earbuds
Ann you really need to go google up his various video interviews. for some the language is definitely NFSW or anywhere
as my mother would say "he is full of himself" he thinks he has he power which is why he called for a Ingraham's advertisers to pull their ads.
"Expedia, Joseph A. Banks, Nestle, home goods company Wayfair, TripAdvisor, and Rachel Ray’s pet-food brand Nutrish will no longer do business with the Fox News show."
unfortunately I don't think those companies will realize the backlash that will be coming forth
“I asked - specifically - why you think YOU get to determine what I do or do not need.”
I asked you a question first, which you are either too stupid to answer or too cowardly.
Inga is such a charmer. Have a nice night. How many cats now ?
"panoplia"
Panoply of war
Buwaya, cites on this please, Greeks and Roman authorities - not to contend, for attribution.
Or in Campbell or wherever you got it. Every man his war-chest. In politics it means money, a stash, but politics is war by other means.
Does anyone ever talk about Stanford anymore? I got wait-listed there. I always thought it would have been an experience. But I never seem to see them in the mix.
Inga, let me explain why what you write is silly:
"How are these young activists advocating for people to not be able to own guns and protect their families?"
NRA is the organization dedicated to protecting our civil rights, including the right to keep and bear arms. An attack on the NRA is an attack on our civil rights.
"BTW, must one own a gun in order to protect one’s family?"
Must one read liberal newspapers in order to be informed?
"Does one need an AR15 in order to protect one’s family?"
Does one need to read NYT, Washington Post, LA Times and watch CNN and/or MSNBC to be informed and a good US citizen?
"Does one need their representatives in DC to be owned by the NRA in order promote lax gun laws?"
Does one need their representatives in DC to be owned by NYT, LA Times, Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC in order to take away our civil rights?
"Many of the reactions to these young activists border on hysteria"
I have a moderate proposal to close down NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, CNN and MSNBC. We need to start a movement to achieve that. The fascist media needs to go.
What of you think?
3/29/18, 5:19 PM
Blogger Michael K said...
I have an AR 15 and my grandson has fired it.
It has a mild recoil, much less than a Garand or other .30 calibre rifle.
Opinions please among those who have fired all three: which seemed to have the best to worst handling when fired, in terms of recoil, cheek weld, fit, comfort to shoot-the M1917, the M1 Garand, the M-14? The gas actions make one level of difference but the hardware? The Springfield doesn't kick, it bites, or did when I was a skinny kid.
For those with any considerable trigger time on the latter two: other than the detachable magazine and selective fire, was the M-14 decisively or at all superior to the older model? Weight, accuracy, reliability, features, reliability?
DBQ,
Don't believe that bit about "not needing to be very precise" with a shotgun! Unless you live in a genuine palace... at normal home-defense distances it's pretty easy to miss with a shotgun.
"My older daughter is an FBI agent and carries her 40 calibre everywhere, even on airplanes."
My twin brother started in the FBI and moved to the DEA. He's retired now, but he used to carry his sidearm with him everywhere, including on airplanes. I believe he was required to do so.
"1270 is slightly above the average SAT score for UC Irvine."
Is that overall, or is 1270 slightly above the average for white males applying to UCI?
I know UC and CSU schools aren't supposed to use race as a factor in admissions, but, like most other universities, they do the "holistic" thing and race is factored in.
If the 1270 is only slightly above average for UCI, he probably never had much of a shot at UCLA and UCSD, and probably UCSB as well. (That's if I recall the 'ranking' of the UC schools. My applications were done over a quarter century ago. At that time, 4.18 and 1420 was good enough for admission to UCD, UCSD, and UCSB. Not even close for Cal - my best friend (who now has a PhD from MIT) didn't get in to Cal with a 4.25 and 1430. Both of us are W/M)
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