August 14, 2017

"Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Said Donald Trump today at the White House.



Bloomberg suggests that this as a walk-back from the much-criticized "many sides" statement Trump made on Saturday. But he's still saying "other hate groups" — which could include Antifa, and he also said:
“To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable,” Trump said, adding that he had just met with Attorney General Jeff Sessions and FBI Director Chris Wray for an update on a federal civil rights investigation into the incident.

“We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence,” he added.
Anyone who acted criminally... that too would include all sides. 

Note the triad — hatred, bigotry, and violence. Those are the same 3 words he put together in Saturday's "many sides" statement — "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides."

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tim in vermont said...

I guess clobbering peaceful demonstrators with bicycle locks wasn't hate, because, you know, everybody hates Trump supporters. So we should leave people who show up to incite violence in an otherwise peaceful, if abhorrent, demonstration out of our condemnations of violence, because reasons.

eric said...

Does it really matter?

For those on the left, the Democrats, it won't be enough until he is a Democrat.

For the rest of us, well, he satisfied us on Saturday.

I wonder why we didn't see this same sort of drama when a BLM activist killed 5 cops. Did Obama come out and denounce BLM? Did the news media focus on his every word and demand he directly denounce BLM?

Like I said, it doesn't matter. The media are against Trump no matter what he does. And those of us who support him are Nazi's.

F them all.

Unknown said...

Too little, too late. The Alt Right/ Nazi's are going to be upset. They were gleefully thrilled with his first tweet about the incident.

tim in vermont said...

He got North Korea to blink. That is an accomplishment for the ages. We might be able to end the Korean War, finally.

BUMBLE BEE said...

ANTIFA FOLKS ON THEIR WAY TO BATTING PRACTICE? THE FLAMETHROWER AEROSOL CAN WAS A NICE TOUCH.

tim in vermont said...

The Alt Right/ Nazi's are going to be upset.

You have always had a finger on the pulse of Americans, Trump will be impeached! Keep hope alive!

Hagar said...

As I said below, you adopt the left's language, you concede the argument.

Trump should have included "antifa" and/or other terms for the leftist rioters. Otherwise it is indeed just a craven "walk back."

Ann Althouse said...

Read my post.

tim in vermont said...

Less than a week ago, the world seemed to be on the edge of a nuclear confrontation or at least a bloody military conflict in East Asia. What a difference a few days make. After a weekend filled with a series of conciliatory statements from China, some of them downright surprising, the situation with North Korea seems to be less tense right now, which could be construed as a major win for the Trump team. To be specific, the big move came Monday as China agreed to ban imports of North Korean iron, lead, and coal

Remember just. couple days ago Unknown's hair was on fire over the impending nuclear war? Just for the record, Unknown, your personal anxieties do not sum up to good judgement.

readering said...

What do Antifa and Trump have in common? Apparently they both don't like racists, including KKK, neo-Nazis and white-supremacists.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Takes the focus off Hillary, Comey, DW Schultz and Lynch... almost as if on cue.

Mark said...

If there were not a couple dozen instances of leftist protesters engaging in rage and hate on campuses and in cities in recent times, there might be some reason to object to the "many sides" comment.

n.n said...

I don't know, who holds the low moral ground, the color supremacists as in single-child, or the [class] diversitists as in selective-child? Hopefully, they will both lose.

Michael said...

We should see more of the peaceful flamethrower antifa lad. Nice. Peace. Flamethrower.

BDNYC said...

He's right, of course. And whatever he says, it won't be enough to some. He's a crypto-Nazi to them unless and until he apologizes for existing, acknowledges his privilege and wholeheartedly embraces the Obama/Clinton political agenda.

n.n said...

There was similar criticism when people proposed that all lives matter, which is a clear affront to the sense and sensibilities of the selective-child factions.

Mark said...

Repeating what I said in the other (exhausted) thread --
As for BLM, Antifa, and other extremist protesters, I think some people are giving them too much credit for principle or particular ideology.

A lot of these folks taking to the streets don't really care about the issues. They are just out for a day or night of mayhem. They are there simply in order to smash things and engage in some thrill violence. They are out there to experience their own real-life Purge. And sometimes, if they are lucky, they can get to loot too.

Many of the folks out there "counter-protesting" the neo-Nazis are also going to be out there setting fires and smashing windows if U.Va. were to win a national championship in basketball.

Much of this has nothing to do with principle, that is, actually caring about this person or that group or that issue. It is all about a chance to be a thug. It is blood sport.

Unknown said...

Say the words,"radical white supremacist terror".

Achilles said...

readering said...
What do Antifa and Trump have in common? Apparently they both don't like racists, including KKK, neo-Nazis and white-supremacists.

What do Antifa and fascists have in common?

Pretty much everything.

Unknown said...

"A lot of these folks taking to the streets don't really care about the issues."

How do you know?

Unknown said...

It has been a difficult week for Trump to decide between starting a Nuclear War with North Korea or a Race War in the USA. A tough choice.

mockturtle said...

My younger daughter said that, even if Trump farts, the left will say it doesn't smell right.

Unknown said...

Trump was dragged screaming and shouting to make the short speech by his aides. He used a teleprompter which is a tell-tell sign he doesn't believe what he says.

The only good thing is the non-Trumpers got him to do it. Trump lost. We won.

Nyamujal said...

"Yet despite its failure to stop Hitler in 1933 and veritable dismantling in subsequent years, Germany’s socialist labor movement and its decidedly progressive traditions outlived Hitler in the factories of its industrial cities, and began gathering up the fragments as soon as open political activity became possible. As historian Gareth Dale describes:

Of all sectors of the population, it was industrial workers in the major towns that showed the greatest immunity to Nazism. Many trade unionists and socialists were able to maintain their traditions and beliefs, at least in some form, through the Nazi era. A courageous minority, including some 150,000 Communists, took part in illegal resistance. Wider layers avoided danger but were able to keep labour movement values and memories alive amongst groups of friends, in workplaces and on housing estates.

These groups, oftentimes launched from the aforementioned housing estates, were generally called “Antifaschistische Ausschüsse,” “Antifaschistische Kommittees,” or the now famous “Antifaschistische Aktion” – “Antifa” for short."

From a nice history of the movement at Jacobin: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/antifascist-movements-hitler-nazis-kpd-spd-germany-cold-war

Etienne said...

Trump is failing in the press, because he has not got on-board the media train which believes the Soros funded Antifa violence is justified against the white Christians.

Until Trump declares war on white Christians, AOL-CNN and Microsoft-NBC won't let him turn the page.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

It's becoming so clear now why the war of words between SJWs and the new white nationalists is so intense. It isn't because they have huge ideological differences -- it's because they have so much in common. Both are obsessed with race, SJWs demanding white shame, the alt-right responding with white pride. Both view everyday life and culture through a highly racialised filter. SJWs can't even watch a movie without counting how many lines the black actor has in comparison with the white actor so that they can rush home and tumblr about the injustice of it all. Both have a seemingly boundless capacity for self-pity. Both are convinced they're under siege, whether by patriarchy, transphobia and the Daily Mail (SJWs) or by pinkos and blacks (white nationalists). Both have a deep censorious strain. And both crave recognition of their victimhood and flattery of their feelings. This is really what they're fighting over -- not principles or visions but who should get the coveted title of the most hard-done-by identity. They're auditioning for social pity. "My life matters! My pain matters! I matter!" The increasing bitterness and even violence of their feud is not evidence of its substance, but the opposite: it's the narcissism of small differences. -- Brendan O'Neill

https://www.facebook.com/brendan.oneill.79/posts/1450097131747042?pnref=story

Unknown said...

@mockturtle says My younger daughter said that, even if Trump farts, the left will say it doesn't smell right.

Your young daughter is prescient. Trump's ass is so yuge it contains a lot of evil smelling shit in there.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

How dare he include "Antifa" mask wearing bat wielding leftists as a "hate group".

How dare!

Earnest Prole said...

When you've lost Donald Trump you should probably give it a rest.

MayBee said...

So....when a president uses a teleprompter it means he doesn't believe what he says?

Richard said...

Keep in mind that, for purposes of law enforcement, the left never acts criminally.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Poor Inga... Scott Walker will be indicted any second now!

rhhardin said...

Not letting people speak has no place in America.

No president gets to say you can't be a bigot, racist or hater.

That's social sanctions. Just follow the law.

Aside from that, what's a racist. Are geneticists racists. Are IQ tests racist. Are athletic ability tests racist.

The right squirrel to follow is good character, available to all. Not love, good character.

Among the good character things is American rules. The other guy can say whatever he wants.

Etienne said...
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Unknown said...

@tim in vermont says He got North Korea to blink. That is an accomplishment for the ages. We might be able to end the Korean War, finally.

The US have been negotiating with North Korea for weeks. China is going to receive better trade deals in return for helping the US with North Korea.

Go back to watching Fox News and reading Breitbart to stay ignorant.

Anonymous said...

But he's still saying "other hate groups" — which could include Antifa, and he also said:
“To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence


But isn't it a dominate view that "racist" activity, speech etc can only be perpetrated by White people against non White people?

Why qualify violence with "racist"? It's like "social justice". Why the qualifier?

Note the triad — hatred, bigotry, and violence. Those are the same 3 words he put together in Saturday's "many sides" statement — "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides."

Why? What's to condemn. People should be free to hate or be bigoted in whatever way they choose.

The only issue is violence and aggression - real aggression not microaggression.

And the violence shouldn't be "condemned". It should be prevented - starting with not standing down the cops. Followed by arresting and prosecuting perpetrators of that violence.

That's it. No moralizing, no searching for sinful thoughts and emotions.

We need more Spocks and Joe Fridays less "empathetic" women and politicians.

But Trump has to walk the line considering the Mean Girls who run America's/the West's media are watching over him/us.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

What Trump said on Saturday was perfect. Just not good enough for Chuck Todd(D) and the rest of the MSM hacks.

Unknown said...

@mockturtle says "My younger daughter said that, even if Trump farts, the left will say it doesn't smell right."

"Your young daughter is prescient. Trump's ass is so yuge it contains a lot of evil smelling shit in there."


Unknown, that was funny. Made me chuckle.

Achilles said...

Unknown said...
Say the words,"radical white supremacist terror".

So sad Russian Collusion story died. Now the lying traitors are moving on to the next lie.

rhhardin said...

Klavan goes round the bend today. They're evil because God.

Feste said...

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Bloomberg regularly pushes some slant on Trump and seldom praises him.

Safe to characterize Bloomberg’s spin on this as Trump stepping back. I lack a good and stable personal spectrum for daily press reporting and lack a single-point niche on my messy spectrum for Bloomberg vis Trump. I assume (knowing it’s an assumption) that Bloomberg as a person and as a press practices better habits and discipline publishing careful speech than does Trump, catering to economics and businesses.

Trump has characterized himself as his own strategist, and, he seems strategically primed in a fixed form to fault those who fault Trump, Kenneth C. Frazier of Merck, only the freshest.

The unfinished jigsaw puzzle, imho, looks more like a series walk-backs by others, walking away from Trump, rather than Trump backing off. If Bloomberg spins this recent Trump statement as a walk back, and even if Bloomberg is accurate in doing so (beats me), then Bloomberg ought to be wise enough in careful discipline to render Trump’s steps a rarity.

Things could change, however, though I still hope and pray that Trump cleans the swamp, even now, in what increasingly feels to me more like his dying (political - this is not a personal wish) political days. It’s just that there are so few, maybe no, others who have the mere outward display of guts that Trump has put on, except see below in finishing.

On the bottom line, authority is not something that one talks about. Maybe a little. Not a lot. IMHO.

Authority is far more something that one moves in.

Even silently, to be most effective.

Unknown said...

"So sad Russian Collusion story died."

Only in your disordered reality.

Unknown said...

@Dickin'Bimbos@Home says What Trump said on Saturday was perfect.

Absolutely correct. Which is why non-Trumpers don't believe what Trump said today.

Gospace said...

Nyamujal said...
... Many trade unionists and socialists were able to maintain their traditions and beliefs, at least in some form, through the Nazi era. A courageous minority, including some 150,000 Communists, took part in illegal resistance. Wider layers avoided danger but were able to keep labour movement values and memories alive amongst groups of friends, in workplaces and on housing estates.


Whitewash much? Communists in Germany worked with Nazis right up until June 1941, about the same time Communists and their fellow travelers in the United States turned on a dime and went from rabidly anti-war to pro-war, working as hard as possible to get the United States involved in another European war.

The Godfather said...

Trump dug himself a hole during his campaign by missing the opportunity for a "Sistah Souljah" (sp?) moment to denounce the "alt-right", so he was stuck this time. I have no problem with denouncing Nazis and Klansmen (is there any statement easier to make than that?), but the problem is that in the context of Charlottesville it appears to absolve the BLM/antifa side from responsibilty for the violence, whereas I don't think we know, yet, which group(s) were responsible. If the DOJ takes the easy way out, they'll conclude that the kid who drove his car into the crowd was Nazi or KKK, and leave it at that. I would really like to know more about what the BLM/antifa folks did (because I think they are, at least potentially, a bigger threat than the KKK/Nazis), and also what and why the local and state authorities acted as they did. Sessions, for whom I had great respect as a Senator, seems to have become pretty squishy as AG, so the DOJ investigation of these events may be a test for him.

tim in vermont said...

It has been a difficult week for Trump to decide between starting a Nuclear War with North Korea or a Race War in the USA. A tough choice.

Ha ha ha! What a maroon, as Bugs Bunny used to say. Does the cognitive dissonance hurt, Unknown?

Achilles said...

Unknown said...
"So sad Russian Collusion story died."

Only in your disordered reality.

Read it and weep traitor.

"There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer."

Unknown said...

"You can choose to have whatever opinion you have on the president’s statement today condemning white supremacists, but it’s hard to believe he would have read it out if he’d had his druthers. No, the real Donald Trump was the one we saw on Saturday when he decided to condemn violence “on many sides” in response to the deliberately provocative and intentionally violent neo-Nazi march in Charlottesville, Virginia; when he decided to refer to the events as “sad” in tweets; when he wished “best regards” to those injured by the car that was deliberately smashed into them, killing 1 and injuring 20. When he acted in that way, he was operating according to his instinct. And his instinct said: Do not attack the white supremacists."

Explaining Trump's Charlottesville behavior.

Feste said...

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karlpopperghost said...

Do tell us, as the lingering shade outliving the truly great giant, about “The Open Society and Its Enemies,” falsifying as much as possible along our lost ways, echoing to the persistent, resident, and competent hereabouts Witty minimalist (affectionately rhhardin, but that’s only my ignorant guess), put that poker down!

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Antifa and KKK are deplorable.

The media ignore Antifa, and focus and making anyone even slightly right of center on par with white nationalists/KKK.

F the media(D)

CWJ said...

rhhardin@4:46,

I agree completely.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

The undercurrent in the MSM is that if you hate Trump (like they do) it's OK to be anti-Trump in whatever form it takes. Mask and baseball bat? whatevs#

Achilles said...

Unknown said...
"You can choose to have whatever opinion you have on the president’s statement today condemning white supremacists, but it’s hard to believe he would have read it out if he’d had his druthers. No, the real Donald Trump was the one we saw on Saturday when he decided to condemn violence “on many sides” in response to the deliberately provocative and intentionally violent neo-Nazi march in Charlottesville, Virginia; when he decided to refer to the events as “sad” in tweets; when he wished “best regards” to those injured by the car that was deliberately smashed into them, killing 1 and injuring 20. When he acted in that way, he was operating according to his instinct. And his instinct said: Do not attack the white supremacists."

Pure bad faith from a stupid fool quoted by a traitorous loser who is watching her world collapse around her.

n.n said...

Racism is a prejudice that claims supremacy or denies individual dignity. First, there were the color supremacists. Finally, there is the [class] diversitists, including the anti-nativists. Both groups are progressive (i.e. monotonic) in a religious/moral sense, but only the latter has enjoyed normalization and mainstream funding to spread their trans-human message.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Trumper/non-Trumper - what the fuck does that mean?

Hillary lost, Trump won - get the fuck over it.

Francisco D said...

It is embarrassing that Psych Nurse Inga and her fellow travelers demand that Trump read a fairly specific script. When he does, it's not good enough for them.

Is there a lesson to be learned?

Unknown said...

"Pure bad faith from a stupid fool quoted by a traitorous loser who is watching her world collapse around her."

Delusional. As the weeks go by and your At Right Nazi world continues to crash down, you are sounding even more unhinged. The tide has turned. Your group is in decline. I hope you enjoyed it while it lasted.

iowan2 said...

I really want President Trump to order the FBI to conduct early morning no-knock raids on the Mayor, Police Chief and who ever else was involved in the decision to have police stand down. This is a perfect, tailor made situation, to use the lefts tactics against them. I'm sure the appropriate underlings could also be targeted.
Past experience tells us they cannot be trusted to maintain all records of meetings, and all correspondence, and govt officials using anonymous e mail accounts demands the use on no-knock raids using secret warrants, and deny them the ability to tell anyone about the searches. Just like the Walker investigation in Wisconsin.

Unknown said...

@Dickin'Bimbos@Home says Trumper/non-Trumper - what the fuck does that mean?

In which language would you prefer the explanation - English, Chinese, German, Spanish? Russian?

eric said...

Blogger Unknown said...
Trump was dragged screaming and shouting to make the short speech by his aides. He used a teleprompter which is a tell-tell sign he doesn't believe what he says.

The only good thing is the non-Trumpers got him to do it. Trump lost. We won.


You won! WooHoo! Go you!

Take those hard won victories wherever you can get them. Seriously. You're gonna need them.

Click your heels together three times and just keep saying, "We won."

Mary Beth said...

"Your young daughter is prescient. Trump's ass is so yuge it contains a lot of evil smelling shit in there."


Unknown, that was funny. Made me chuckle.


Really? It only made me wonder if she knows what "prescient" means.

Guildofcannonballs said...

When you've lost Heather Heyer, you had better just run.

A run run run run, a run run run run.

Run for the hills. Run for the pantyhose, run for Forrest Gump, but damnit by all means JUST RUN!

The very best, most blessed member of her generation, the brightest flame burning most pure, was just extinguished. There is, not any longer, no hope. When the Despair gloves fit, WEAR THEM!

Anonymous said...

Apparently Trump can't be bullied into blaming the problem only on the "Alt Right". As anyone with any common sense knows it took two parties to make the conflict in Charlottesville (always excepting the idiot driver who, rightly, faces a long prison term). If the DOJ actually does its job there should be some interesting findings regarding both elements.

Michael said...

The tide has turned? LOL. Dow kissing 22000. Consumer confidence soaring. Progs eating their own in Silicon Valley. Life is good and the tide is providing us lots and lots of beautiful white sandy beach upon which to enjoy ourselves. Bonus is that progs seem to be getting stupider by the day as their rage eats away at their meager grasp on the normal world, the real world.

Michael K said...

I don;t know if Inga can participate in a leftist circle jerk but she is trying.

Bless her heart.

Achilles said...

Unknown said...

Delusional. As the weeks go by and your At Right Nazi world continues to crash down, you are sounding even more unhinged. The tide has turned. Your group is in decline. I hope you enjoyed it while it lasted.

You think Susan Powers will sign a plea and finger Obama in order to shorten her jail sentence? Or Brennan? Or Rice? It will be a lot of fun watching your heroes go to jail.

Unknown said...

"So sad Russian Collusion story died."

LOL! Breaking News:

Tom Hamburger / Washington Post:20 minutes ago

"Trump campaign emails show aide's repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings … Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.

Angel-Dyne said...

Achilles: Pure bad faith from a stupid fool quoted by a traitorous loser who is watching her world collapse around her.

I think the diagnosis of "bad faith" requires a minimum level of intelligence that is not in evidence here.

Anyway, imo the clueless linking and quoting indulged in here provides some needed comic relief - for the sources more than the content. Bow before the immense moral and intellectual authority of John Podhoretz and Bill Kristol, oh deplorable!

And you gotta love the layers and layers of un-self-aware comedy gold in Nyamujal's link to a joint named "Jacobin". Is our Nyamujal itchin' to go all Vendée on his fellow citoyens who voted for Trump? Bliss was it in that dawn, eh, Nyam?

You can't reason with 'em, Achilles, so you may as well get a larf out of 'em. But watch your back.

Krumhorn said...

I think it's safe to say that the lefties are definitely winning the PR war. When the general understanding is that "there is no other side", "there is no valid opposing view", and "unless you support pulling down a statue of Robert E. Lee, you are a violent racist hater", the lefties are sailing comfortably in favorable winds.

Actual events are not important. It's only the leftie narrative that matters.

- Krumhorn

Achilles said...

Unknown said...

LOL! Breaking News:

Tom Hamburger / Washington Post:20 minutes ago

"Trump campaign emails show aide's repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings … Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”


That was the meeting where Trump was going to tell Putin he will have more flexibility after the election right?

Stupid.

Unknown said...

"I think the diagnosis of "bad faith" requires a minimum level of intelligence that is not in evidence here."

It takes a truly intelligent person to become an Alt Right NeoNazi White Supremacist piece of human excrement. Yes indeed!

antiphone said...

Guildofcannonballs, you have a problem. Get help

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Call people who are not alt right neoNazi white supremacists, alt right neoNazi white supremacists = lose elections(D).

Unknown said...

Oh Hahahaha!

"ALEX JONES (HOST): Here's a little bit of audio of me like 18 years ago protesting the KKK. There’s no big crowd of Antifa there supporting me, and them threatening to kill me, everything else. And it later came out they were federal agents like I said. It wasn’t even real. I mean, quite frankly, I've been to these events, a lot of the KKK guys with their hats off look like they’re from the cast of Seinfeld. Literally they’re just Jewish actors. Nothing against Jews in general, but they are leftists Jews that want to create this clash and they go dress up as Nazis. I have footage in Austin -- we're going to find it somewhere here at the office -- where it literally looks like cast of Seinfeld or like Howard Stern in a Nazi outfit. They all look like Howard Stern. They almost got like little curly hair down, and they’re just up there heiling Hitler. You can tell they are totally uncomfortable, they are totally scared, and it’s all just meant to create the clash."

Tommy Duncan said...

"Racism is evil..."

Many (not all) on the left believe all whites are racist.

Ergo, many (not all) on the left believe all whites are evil.

Let me ask the leftists on this board a couple of questions: (1) What do you think will result from the branding of whites as evil racists who are to be shamed or hated? (2) In your experience, what is the reaction of demographic groups that have been demonized and denounced based solely on their ethnic identity?

iowan2 said...

It takes a truly intelligent person to become an Alt Right NeoNazi White Supremacist piece of human excrement. Yes indeed!

A piece of human excrement that enjoys constitutional protection. But you hate the Constitution and all its principles.

readering said...

Potus read off a teleprompter that he's no fan of American Nazis. But the truly bad people? Per his tweet: American news media!

Angel-Dyne said...

Krumhorn: I think it's safe to say that the lefties are definitely winning the PR war. When the general understanding is that "there is no other side", "there is no valid opposing view", and "unless you support pulling down a statue of Robert E. Lee, you are a violent racist hater", the lefties are sailing comfortably in favorable winds.

It does look that way on the surface, and it has looked that way on the surface for a long time. They've apparently won ever PR war in recent memory.

And yet here we are, in rather a different place then one would expect to be in after decades of lefties "sailing comfortably in favorable winds." And this week they sound even more than usually rage-filled and just-this-far from totally losing it, for people experiencing such pleasant sailing conditions.

Unknown said...

"Ergo, many (not all) on the left believe all whites are evil."

Delusional.

Unknown said...

"But you hate the Constitution and all its principles."

Delusional.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Blogger antiphone said...
Guildofcannonballs, you have a problem. Get help
8/14/17, 5:51 PM

Open wide, auntie phony. You're about to eat it.

mockturtle said...

readering writes: But the truly bad people? Per his tweet: American news media!

And he was right!

Unknown said...

"And he was right!"

Delusional.

Char Char Binks said...

"... clobbering peaceful demonstrators with bicycle locks wasn't hate..."

Of course not, they LOVE it!

Todd Roberson said...

I'm now seeing why nothing gets done in Washington.

Every time some avoidable tradegy goes down, we're reassured over and over by politicians that "their thoughts and prayers" are with us all - especially the victims.

All that thinking and praying - cause I know they're really sitting down and contemplating the events in the perspective of the family then delivering prayers individually written for the victims - takes a long time done right.

Or...

They could just be vomiting out some worthless pablum while doing nothing.

... No, that can't be it. Yeah, it takes a one time.

Peace

Michael said...

The current misshapen leftie opinion is that provocation results in violence. The antifa, having no agency, once provoked simply has to attack. Impossible to do otherwise because "provoked." Does this work both ways? Can I bust out the windshield of someone with whom I disagree because I am provoked by their existence? That would be cool because if there is one thing I would fucking love to do is bust out the windshield of an antifa asshole pulling up his mask.

Unknown said...

Blogger Char Char Binks said...
"... clobbering peaceful demonstrators with bicycle locks wasn't hate..."

Of course not, they LOVE it!

8/14/17, 6:07 PM
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https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=2492034265777474177&blogID=6329595&isPopup=false&page=2

Blogger Char Char Binks said...

"True, and if that is the will of the people of Charlotte, by popular vote or by act of the burghers, the statue should be removed, but it's still the right of the people to protest that decision, and to try to influence the government to change it. The alt-right were exercising their 1A rights to peaceably assemble and speak. The Anti-First-Amendment Blackshirts were there not to demonstrate for the statue's removal (they already won that fight) but, by criminal acts of intimidation, force, and violence, to deny the people the right to protest. They were there for the feeling of moral superiority in their virtue signaling and for the more visceral thrill of street fighting. I'm glad at least one of them was killed."

8/13/17, 11:05 PM
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Todd Roberson said...

The "thoughts and prayers" pablum reminds me of a workplace classic:

Every time someone quits where I work we get the inevitable memo ...

"It's with mixed emotions that I announce that so and so has chosen to leave to pursue, blah blah blah, etc etc etc ..."

Just once I'd like to get the memo:

"Goddamn am I glad so and so quite. Saved me the trouble of firing their ass!"

Peace

sunsong said...

“If you comparing KKK to BLM you’ve already shown what side you’re on.
One wants me dead due to the color of my skin; the other wants equality.”

~ unknown poster

Michael said...

Susan Bro, mother of Charlottesville attack victim Heather Heyer, thanks Pres. Trump for "denouncing those who promote violence and hatred"

sunsong said...

"Social media users are banding together to expose attendees at the Charlottesville white nationalist rally to make sure their employers, friends, and neighbors know their names.

"A man identified as Cole White was fired from his job at a Berkeley, California restaurant Top Dog when his participation in the rally was revealed by the Twitter account @YesYoureRacist..."


twitter users outing protesters

Tyrone Slothrop said...

The whole point of the left-wing media (but I repeat myself) is to cement the concepts "Trump" and "right wing violence" together in a single thought bubble, without regard to the actual distance between the two.

Bay Area Guy said...

It's a good statement by Trump. How and why he is getting dragged into this morass is somewhat bewildering, but that's modern-day politics for you.

"We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence,”

I'm not a huge fan of these generalized ambiguities. It reminds me of Bush's "War on Terror." In World War 2, we declared war on Japan and Germany, and fought, surprise, surprise, the Japanese and Germans.

But in the 2000s, we began fighting "terror," but not radical Islam?

And, now, we must condemn "hatred," "bigotry" and "violence?" Is anybody for hatred, bigotry and violence? Who is committing the hatred, bigotry and violence?

The 2 most violent recent politic acts I've seen were:

1. July 2016: Sniper murdered 5 Dallas Police Officers at a BLM rally .

2. June 2017: Left-winger James Hodgkinson shot up a GOP softball game, critically injuring Congressman Steve Scalise.

Currently, Antifa seems to be the most notorious proponent of hatred, bigotry and violence. They show up to quash free speech, cause property damage, and injure people all in the name of fighting 'fascism."

And, Yes, the Nazis are still horrid.

Michael said...

“If you comparing KKK to BLM you’ve already shown what side you’re on.
One wants me dead due to the color of my skin; the other wants equality.”
~ unknown poster

Unless you are a cop.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Unknown said...
Too little, too late. The Alt Right/ Nazi's are going to be upset."

You're surrounded by alt right Nazis in Walker-sha county, Inga. Did they look upset when you saw them at the grocery store? Are they firing AK-47 in the air? Polishing their jackboots in Muskego and looking for liberals to mow down?

After all you think all Trump voters are Nazis. Better find yourself a Secret Annex or something. No?

You're not afraid at all, are you? Because you know you're full of shit.

sunsong said...

Reid: white nationalists in the White House

exiledonmainstreet said...

sunsong said...
“If you comparing KKK to BLM you’ve already shown what side you’re on.
One wants me dead due to the color of my skin; the other wants equality.”
~ unknown poster

And shooting cops in the head is just the way to achieve that.

Burning down businesses in Ferguson, including black-owned businesses that carried the hopes and dreans of those business owners (and actually let them achieve the American Dream) - ah, apparently, that's sunsong's idea of Social Justice and Equality!

Your compassion is very, very selective.

Fabi said...

"A man identified as Cole White was fired from his job at a Berkeley, California restaurant Top Dog when his participation in the rally was revealed by the Twitter account @YesYoureRacist..."

sunsong celebrates someone losing their job for the "crime" of wrongthink. There's a word for that, sunsong.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Bullshit, sunsong. Pure bullshit and slander and lies.

Unknown said...

Sunsong,

Gorka, Bannon and Miller need to go. White nationalists in our White House. Disgusting.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"sunsong celebrates someone losing their job for the "crime" of wrongthink."

Sunsong will be the one who smiles and passes out candy to the children before she loads them on the trains to the camps.

AReasonableMan said...

Good description of how actual residents of Charlottesville feel about the fascists.

Angel-Dyne said...

iowan2: A piece of human excrement that enjoys constitutional protection.

But we're working on rectifying that, comrade!

exiledonmainstreet said...

What about you, neighbors Frau Inga?

They are guilty of the verboten thoughts too! If only there was some law - like the Nuremberg Laws, for instance - that forced deplorables out of their homes and livelihoods. They knew how to do it in the good old days, ja?

You are everything you pretend to hate.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Angel-Dyne said...
iowan2: A piece of human excrement that enjoys constitutional protection.

But we're working on rectifying that, comrade!"

Frau Inga says Fuck the Constitution! The Untermenschen should not have rights!

TheThinMan said...

Does anyone identify himself as "alt right"? It's a term invented by the Democrats/Mainstream Media to make Trump supporters sound like a dangerous cult on the fringe of society. The same way they came up with "climate denier."

Char Char Binks said...

Heather Heyer died doing what she loved -- being a sanctimonious, virtue-signaling crybully.

AReasonableMan said...

exiledonmainstreet said...
The Untermenschen should not have rights!


This pathetic whining is unseemly in this context, a women having been murdered by an actual fascist.

Angel-Dyne said...

sunsong: "Social media users are banding together to expose attendees at the Charlottesville white nationalist rally to make sure their employers, friends, and neighbors know their names.

"A man identified as Cole White was fired from his job at a Berkeley, California restaurant Top Dog when his participation in the rally was revealed by the Twitter account @YesYoureRacist..."

twitter users outing protesters


I'm going to give you a pass for being pleased about this, because I think you're just too bloody mentally and morally retarded to understand what you are doing.

readering said...

Richard Spencer claims credit for the term alt right.

Jupiter said...

"... this weekend’s racist violence ..."

What is he talking about? I was under the impression that a bunch of white guys beat up on another bunch of white guys, or perhaps they beat up on each other. Then some white guy drove a car into a crowd, killing a white woman and injuring a bunch of white guys. That's "racist violence"? Is he maybe denouncing the BLM assholes? I gather there were a few of them on hand, looking for trouble.

Unknown said...

Char Char Binks said...

"Heather Heyer died doing what she loved -- being a sanctimonious, virtue-signaling crubull."
--------------------
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=2492034265777474177&blogID=6329595&isPopup=false&page=2

Blogger Char Char Binks said...

"True, and if that is the will of the people of Charlotte, by popular vote or by act of the burghers, the statue should be removed, but it's still the right of the people to protest that decision, and to try to influence the government to change it. The alt-right were exercising their 1A rights to peaceably assemble and speak. The Anti-First-Amendment Blackshirts were there not to demonstrate for the statue's removal (they already won that fight) but, by criminal acts of intimidation, force, and violence, to deny the people the right to protest. They were there for the feeling of moral superiority in their virtue signaling and for the more visceral thrill of street fighting. I'm glad at least one of them was killed."

8/13/17, 11:05 PM
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sunsong said...

Sunsong will be the one who smiles and passes out candy to the children before she loads them on the trains to the camps.

No it won't ... but it sure could be you, couldn't it?

Birkel said...

Who claims credit for coming up with CTRL-Left?
Engels or Marx?

exiledonmainstreet said...

AReasonableMan said...
exiledonmainstreet said...
The Untermenschen should not have rights!

This pathetic whining is unseemly in this context, a women having been murdered by an actual fascist.

8/14/17, 6:43 PM

Yeah, well the Commie thugs bitched in the 1920's when a brownshirt killed a Commie in the streets of Berlin.

That didn't mean the Commie thugs weren't totalitarian shits themselves.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

wow -the left truly are giddy and delighted this poor girl died.

We don't even know all the facts yet, but it's Trump's fault, and anyone who voted for him.

Bay Area Guy said...

Permit me to take this one on the merits:

“If you comparing KKK to BLM you’ve already shown what side you’re on.
One wants me dead due to the color of my skin; the other wants equality.”
~ unknown poster


The KKK was much worse than BLM. No doubt. But you have 2 asymmetrical points:

1. The KKK was once very powerful in the Southern states, had members elected to public office and caused a lot of death and destruction against blacks and sympathetic whites. But that was decades ago. Currently they are weak, powerless and socially ostracized.

2. You don't judge groups on what their goal is, you judge them on what they do.

BLM may "want" equality, but some of their worst elements caused mayhem and destruction in Ferguson, despite Attorney General Holder clearing the officer of any charges .

And, of course, 5 Dallas police-officers were murdered by a Sniper at a BLM rally in 2016. .

So, a proper comparison, today, would be something like Antifa v Unite the White - a sober assessment of what they do, not necessarily the views the espouse.

Unknown said...

"Sunsong will be the one who smiles and passes out candy to the children before she loads them on the trains to the camps."

Classic projection.

Mark said...

"sunsong celebrates someone losing their job for the "crime" of wrongthink."

Just days ago people here were celebrating Milo exposing Google employees who were against Damore.

Now you are concerned with people being publicly exposed for their beliefs?

Sorry, but that train left the station here a couple days back.

MountainJohn said...

Whitewash much? Communists in Germany worked with Nazis right up until June 1941, about the same time Communists and their fellow travelers in the United States turned on a dime and went from rabidly anti-war to pro-war, working as hard as possible to get the United States involved in another European war.

And why Nazis are always described as the very worst people to have ever existed, despite the greater brutality seen in the Maoist regime, among others. All the 20th century socialists and communists were awful, murderous, godless monsters but the Nazis always get the extra special no-good-nik treatment because they went against the Soviets.

The Soviets killed the kulaks as assiduously as Hitler did the European Jews. And the intelligentsia, don't forget.

Fuck 'em all, feed 'em shit.

I can understand the Jewish people holding them in eternal enmity, but genocide by race is no worse than genocide by class. Just as interracial slavery is no worse than intraracial. They all suck and you're dead or enslaved either way. To believe otherwise is racist by definition.

And even more importantly, the idiots who marched in Charlottesville are no kind of Nazis. They are pretending to be to get attention. They have no state, no power, and their influence only exists because antifa, BLM, and mainstream media have accentuated their position.

The counter protesters marched with Soviet flags, as evil an empire as the Nazis. Their high moral bona fides are suspect.

sunsong said...

ah, apparently, that's sunsong's idea of Social Justice and Equality!

Again, how do you know that? You sure seem to like to attack people you don't agree with. What's that about?

Unknown said...

"wow -the left truly are giddy and delighted this poor girl died."

Delusional.

exiledonmainstreet said...

No it won't ... but it sure could be you, couldn't it?

8/14/17, 6:48 PM

No, I'm not the one cheering for totalitarian enforcement of GroupThink.

I must agree with Angel Dyne:

"I'm going to give you a pass for being pleased about this, because I think you're just too bloody mentally and morally retarded to understand what you are doing."

And, as Jupiter said, this weekend one bunch of white idiots fought another bunch of white idiots and one white guy ran over a white woman.

And the BLM activists hate you even more than they hate me, sunsong :)

sunsong said...

"Sunsong will be the one who smiles and passes out candy to the children before she loads them on the trains to the camps."

Classic projection.

looks that way, doesn't it. It looks like a lot of that :-)

Unknown said...

"And the BLM activists hate you even more than they hate me, sunsong."

Delusional.

Unknown said...

"looks that way, doesn't it. It looks like a lot of that :-)"

Yep.

MountainJohn said...

And, as Jupiter said, this weekend one bunch of white idiots fought another bunch of white idiots and one white guy ran over a white woman.

She was not the only American murdered this past weekend, but I suppose dead white leftist women are far more important than dead black urban youths.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Achilles said...

AReasonableMan said...
Good description of how actual residents of Charlottesville feel about the fascists.

So they don't like Antifa either?

AReasonableMan said...

Trump faces an interesting problem. The calls to fire Steve Bannon are coming hard and strong from within the Republican/Conservative axis because of Bannon's links to the alt-right. The problem is that Bannon is the only member of Trump's entourage who has any real ties to the people who elected him and Bannon is the only one with any ideas outside the usual Republican 'tax cuts for the rich' groupthink. If Bannon goes then any rationale for Trump's presidency goes with him. It is clear that Trump himself is a complete dummy when it comes to policy. Most of the other surviving members of Trump's entourage are either technocrats or non-ideological/clueless, in the case of his immediate family.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Mark said...

Just days ago people here were celebrating Milo exposing Google employees who were against Damore.


Refresh my memory here. How many of those Google employees were deprived of their livelihood?

sunsong said...

And the BLM activists hate you even more than they hate me, sunsong :)

You don't know how they feel. You're just bull shitting. But you sure seem to like attacking people who don't agree with you. What's that about? (second time asking)

Check out the pics here...blacks were injured in Charlottesville. Talk about group think! Where the hell did you get the idea that there were no blacks there???

Bruce Hayden said...

"Currently, Antifa seems to be the most notorious proponent of hatred, bigotry and violence. They show up to quash free speech, cause property damage, and injure people all in the name of fighting 'fascism."

Maybe I give them too much credit, but Trump and Sessions being pushed into going after those causing the violence is, to me, likely like the rabbit begging not to be thrown into the briar patch. The real violence is inevitably started by the Antifata fascist thugs. They are the ones who were there to disrupt the other side, that had a permit. They didn't. They just brought their masks, bats, and other weapons, and started beating people up whom they disagreed with. How does the DoJ/FBI look at the violence and try to bring the offenders to justice without going after the Antifa fascist thugs at least as much as they do their targets? And they will likely be there beforehand when the leftists again try to disrupt free speech, now that Trump and Sessions have been pushed into investigating. Should be interesting.

Ralph L said...

Not love, good character
girls need love

exiledonmainstreet said...

This is a BLM activist writing about white leftists like you, sunsong:

"Perhaps the reason white allies emerged victorious is that, while many of the competitors played with anger and bigotry in their hearts, white allies played in a perpetual state of oblivion. They have no idea how terrible they are."

I never thought I'd agree with a BLM activist about anything, but I agree that you white liberals have no idea how terrible you are. :)

"There is no reason to fear neo-Nazis or racists screaming at Walmart checkout counters. You can see them coming. In fact, I applaud their passion and transparency. But white allies will stand close enough to smoothly slice open your gut so fast, you won’t even feel it until they’re stomping on your spilled entrails. And they are as slick as they are evil."

"I’ve had neighbors who marched at Black Lives Matter protests and then called the police on a random black kid walking through their neighborhood “looking suspicious” and carrying something under his hoodie. The “suspicious” thing he carried turned out to be a pamphlet showing the different kinds of cookie dough he was trying to sell to raise money for his band camp."

That's what you get for championing BLM, sunsong. The black activists think you are WORSE than the KKK.

To anybody who has read the history of the 1960's, radical black hatred of white liberals is nothing new. But none of the leftists here have read history. PB sez reading is for nerds.

Night Owl said...

Let's put all the groups made up of haters--nazis, antifa, blm, white supremicists, kkk, sjws, vegans--that want to kill each other in an arena and let them fight to the death. And I mean death. Only one is allowed to exit the arena alive. And he-- probably a he-- gets paid a million dollars if he will agree in writing to go away and never be heard from again-- no social media, no interviews, no running for office... just shut the fuck up forever.

And if a new group rises up and decides that there are other people that are unacceptable to them, but there is no group to hate them back, then they have to fight to the death amongst themselves. Same conditions as above.

People who want violence can have it. And leave the rest of us alone.

(Just kidding about the vegans.)

exiledonmainstreet said...

Here's the link, sunsong. They hate you! Just read the comments!

http://www.theroot.com/it-s-official-white-allies-are-the-worst-wypipo-in-the-1797481427

exiledonmainstreet said...

Inga and sunsong, why don't you go over to that link and set the author straight in the comments section.

"Delusional" my ass. Read it and see how much BLM activists love you two dears :)

Unknown said...

"Check out the pics here...blacks were injured in Charlottesville. Talk about group think! Where the hell did you get the idea that there were no blacks there???"

Plenty of blacks got bloodied by the Nazis in Charlottesville. One picture shows a black man being bounced of the hood of the NaziBoy's car.

Anonymous said...

AReasonableMan said...

If Bannon goes then any rationale for Trump's presidency goes with him. It is clear that Trump himself is a complete dummy when it comes to policy. Most of the other surviving members of Trump's entourage are either technocrats or non-ideological/clueless, in the case of his immediate family.


Some truth, RM but Trump is a true believer. He's not being programmed by Bannon.

Also Trump has a couple of Jewish Bad Boys - Stephen Miller and Michael Anton - who are important thinkers on these issues as much as Bannon. They aren't leaving.

Trump doesn't like being bullied. And as a New Yorker he knows bullies.

Nobody on Trump's team promoted, inspired or agrees with what happened. And we all know that.

Opportunists and bullies on the left and among the Republican establishment, open borders crowd know it as well.

No matter how much they pretend otherwise.

sunsong said...

One person wrote something and you claim that's how all BLM folks feel? WOW! based on what...your amazing intuition? - lol

3rd time...why do you attack poeple who disagree with you? What's that about? Are you insecure?

Rusty said...

Fabi said...
"A man identified as Cole White was fired from his job at a Berkeley, California restaurant Top Dog when his participation in the rally was revealed by the Twitter account @YesYoureRacist..."

sunsong celebrates someone losing their job for the "crime" of wrongthink. There's a word for that, sunsong.

And you're proud of this sunsong?

Achilles said...

sunsong said...
ah, apparently, that's sunsong's idea of Social Justice and Equality!

Again, how do you know that? You sure seem to like to attack people you don't agree with. What's that about?

Because every time Antifa burns down someone's business or BLM shoots a cop we hear not a damn thing out of your hate filled fascist supporting mouth unless it is a mealy mouthed denial. Because in the end you support them.

But when a fascist white guy everyone condemns kills another fascist at a rally they both went to to commit violence? Just look at how you have acted. You want to smear everyone that you disagree with.

Amoral. Disgusting. Stupid. You are no better than Inga.

Fabi said...

No, Mark -- I'm concerned they're being fired for their beliefs -- big difference.

Todd Roberson said...

Random blogger:

Water is wet.

Unknown:

Delusional.

Peace

AReasonableMan said...

karlpopperghost said...
but Trump is a true believer


of what? He seems almost entirely incapable any coherent policy thought. He was all over the map on health insurance and hasn't moved the ball forward on any other issue.

exiledonmainstreet said...

For the record, sunsong, I don't think you are WORSE than the KKK.

BLM disagrees with me though:)

pacwest said...

The desperation of the Trump haters on this item would be comical if one lacked human compassion and the stakes for our nation weren't so high. President Trump said the same thing he said before and somehow that is a win for the lefties? Go figure. You're starting to sound a bit unhinged folks. (No..., seriously).

Nyamujal said...

A simple compilation of the number of people killed in the USA by the KKK, far right extremists and neo-Nazis from say the 1980's vs. those killed by BLM and Antifas should settle the argument on which side poses a greater threat.
I'm actually going to work on this when I'm free and compile a list. It might take some time and a lot of coding magic, but I'll take great pleasure in proving you Trumpkins wrong.

Achilles said...

sunsong said...
One person wrote something and you claim that's how all BLM folks feel? WOW! based on what...your amazing intuition? - lol

3rd time...why do you attack poeple who disagree with you? What's that about? Are you insecure?


Unlike you and your traitorous friend Inga, I actually volunteered to defend this country and the freedom of the people in it. And now after two groups I absolutely dislike get in a fight and one of the fascists dies you want to call me a racist. Fuck you.

In the middle of writing this comment my mixed race daughter woke up from a nap crying. So I am going to go back to helping them after I let you and the rest of the leftist shitheads on this thread trying to tar all of us as racists know I will never let you tear this country apart.

You and your Antifa BLM friends will lose.

AReasonableMan said...

It’s Like A Bad Joke: German Chancellor Beat Trump To Condemning Neo-Nazis

Todd Roberson said...

Laslo:

Sex.

Unknown:

Delusional.

Peace

Todd Roberson said...

Todd Roberson:

Peace

Unknown:

Delusional

✌🏼

exiledonmainstreet said...

sunsong said...
ah, apparently, that's sunsong's idea of Social Justice and Equality!

Again, how do you know that? You sure seem to like to attack people you don't agree with. What's that about?"

If you don't want to be attacked, don't post and repost some dumb shit's comment about how BLM is about "equality" like you approve of the sentiment. Because what you're sayng is that "equality" consists of shooting cops and looting black-owned businesses (not that it's OK when white- owned businesses are looted but the BLM thugs seem truly colorblind regarding what businesses they trash and burn. They trashed and looted a black-owned beauty salon in Ferguson that a woman had poured her heart into. Any compassion for THAT black woman?) That's what BLM does.

You drop these quotes and ditzy tweets like bird poop into threads, just because you kinda like the sound of them. We're supposed to accept them as wisdom? No. Many of them are just plain old stupid.

Again, if you don't want someone inferring what you are trying to say by those quotes, than speak for yourself instead.

Unknown said...

"Unlike you and your traitorous friend Inga, I actually volunteered to defend this country and the freedom of the people in it. And now after two groups I absolutely dislike get in a fight and one of the fascists dies you want to call me a racist. Fuck you"

Hahahahahaha! Delusional.🤣

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

But he's still saying "other hate groups" — which could include Antifa -

Yeah! Why should they get left off the hook? I'm sure they MUST have caused as much lost blood and treasure to America as the Nazis and their white supremacist precursor Confederates did!

Leave the white supremacist movements alone! How mean to not equivocate between them and any other group that never did 1/10th the violent mass casualty-inflicting damage to our country as the Nazis and Confederates! Mean!

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Unlike you and your traitorous friend Inga, I actually volunteered to defend this country and the freedom of the people in it"

And I thank you. As for Inga, well, now there's an excellent argument for tight controls on immigration. She has no respect for the Constitution and no grasp of what it is to be an American. Too bad she's not in Austria right now putting on her burka before she ventures into the street.

Unknown said...

"You drop these quotes and ditzy tweets like bird poop into threads, just because you kinda like the sound of them. We're supposed to accept them as wisdom? No. Many of them are just plain old stupid."

Delusional.😂

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

..genocide by race is no worse than genocide by class

"Genocide by class" is an oxymoron, you moron.

We really gotta get working on stopping this mass execution of the billionaires thing. It's a real problem in America.

Why do the billionaires have it so hard? And now they have to deal with genocide, on top of it all!

(Proof positive above that these right-wing nutpies really do want wealth and class to become hereditary in America).

sunsong said...

I consider the source. I don't take offense from people on this blog. I'm wondering WHY you attack. What's that about?
Why not just ignore things you don't agree with?

Achilles said...

Nyamujal said...
A simple compilation of the number of people killed in the USA by the KKK, far right extremists and neo-Nazis from say the 1980's vs. those killed by BLM and Antifas should settle the argument on which side poses a greater threat.
I'm actually going to work on this when I'm free and compile a list. It might take some time and a lot of coding magic, but I'll take great pleasure in proving you Trumpkins wrong.


I will help you get started.

"In the US, murder is the leading cause of death for African American males aged 15 to 34. Between 1976 and 2008, African Americans were victims of 329,825 homicides.[99][100] In 2006, Federal Bureau of Investigation's Supplementary Homicide Report indicated that nearly half of the 14,990 murder victims were Black (7421).[101] In the year 2007 non-negligent homicides, there were 3,221 black victims and 3,587 white victims. While 2,905 of the black victims were killed by a black offender, 2,918 of the white victims were killed by white offenders. There were 566 white victims of black offenders and 245 black victims of white offenders.[102] The "white" category in the Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) includes non-black Hispanics.[103] In London in 2006, 75% of the victims of gun crime and 79% of the suspects were "from the African/Caribbean community."[104] Murder demographics are affected by the improvement of trauma care, which has resulted in reduced lethality of violent assaults – thus the murder rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of social violence.[105]"

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Whatever anyone does, don't ever call these Trump apologists Nazi-simps. Everyone knows there's a difference between a Trump apologist and a Nazi sympathizer.

Just like they would never equivocate between the left or European socialism and Mao or Stalin. They would never, ever do that.

So one must be just as fair with these Trumpian Nazi-simps - oops, I mean Trump apologists.

Hey, if Bannon poll-tested "the race thing" and found his guy's supporters didn't care, then any cover given to white supremacist/nationalist groups is all good, right?

Guildofcannonballs said...

Anybody that doesn't need help after potUS SOB Johnson needs uh, erm, ahhh... well help damnit, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

Achilles said...

sunsong said...
I consider the source. I don't take offense from people on this blog. I'm wondering WHY you attack. What's that about?
Why not just ignore things you don't agree with?


Because you cannot ignore a charge of racism. It destroys your life.

Additionally you have a party of criminals and thugs using the charge to try to take political power.

Using false accusations of racism is gross and disgusting.

Etienne said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...I'm sure they MUST have caused as much lost blood and treasure to America as the Nazis and their white supremacist precursor Confederates did!

The point being, that Antifa came to start a fight.

If the Nazi's camped-out with Robert E. Lee all day, and everyone went to the beach, then no one would care.

But no. Let's not go to the beach and enjoy our children, and kiss our honey, No, let's put on black clothes, bring spray cans and go fuck with the pretend Nazi's.

The media sends satellite trucks, the pop corn machines go full blast, and everyone has a hate fest.

Then when one of the hate fest participants get their skull crushed, it's the pretend Nazi's fault.

Everyone who didn't go to the beach is to blame.

Kathryn51 said...

How many posters use the name "Unknown"? I mean we have one "Unknown" laughing at a post by a different "Unknown"apparently See following post at 8/14/17, 4:47 PM

Unknown said...
@mockturtle says "My younger daughter said that, even if Trump farts, the left will say it doesn't smell right."

"Your young daughter is prescient. Trump's ass is so yuge it contains a lot of evil smelling shit in there."


Unknown, that was funny. Made me chuckle.

Achilles said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Hey, if Bannon poll-tested "the race thing" and found his guy's supporters didn't care, then any cover given to white supremacist/nationalist groups is all good, right?

Do you honestly think Trump is sitting there and saying to himself "How can I help the KKK today?"

Seriously?

Nyamujal said...

@Toothless

"Yeah! Why should they get left off the hook? I'm sure they MUST have caused as much lost blood and treasure to America as the Nazis and their white supremacist precursor Confederates did!

Leave the white supremacist movements alone! How mean to not equivocate between them and any other group that never did 1/10th the violent mass casualty-inflicting damage to our country as the Nazis and Confederates! Mean!"

When you read some histories of Nazi Germany, one of the chief arguments Hitler made was that he was standing up to violent leftists who were traitors.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Hmmmm, sunsong, just ONE activist? Here's another BLM activist calling Quebec "a white supremacist colony" and saying Justin Trudeau is a racist....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHbSbtzPXtU

Justin Trudeau. Gee, if they even hate little Justin Trudeau, what hope is there for you?

Unknown said...

"Using false accusations of racism is gross and disgusting."

Yes, but when it's warranted it's truth to power. It's good to see the Left call you Trumpists out. You got away with your bigotry far too long.

Birkel said...

UnknownInga uses at least three Unknown accounts.

exiledonmainstreet said...


Delusional.😂

Senile.

Unknown said...


"Do you honestly think Trump is sitting there and saying to himself "How can I help the KKK today?""

No, he's sitting there saying to himself "How can the KKK help me today?"

Anonymous said...

AReasonableMan said...

karlpopperghost said...
but Trump is a true believer

of what? He seems almost entirely incapable any coherent policy thought. He was all over the map on health insurance and hasn't moved the ball forward on any other issue.


Thought and articulate, essay like expression of it are two different things.

Trump is a blowhard but he knows the difference between constructing a building and making a proposal.

My point is I think Trump is a true believer in results, how he expresses it or gets there will be done in a Trumpish manner not a lawyerly manner.

And the "ball moving forward" issue does involve getting other people on his team helping him win the game.

A sizable percentage of the Republican establishment envy him personally and hate his agenda and they have been fumbling the ball at every opportunity.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Opps, I forgot the cutesy little smiley face!!

Senile. :D

Birkel said...

Nyamujal,

When you start to wonder which way that cuts, remember it was Collectivists who killed 100 million people last century. When you hear the hooves, think horses not zebras.

Occam.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

The point being, that Antifa came to start a fight.

I think that's what the Nazis said about the Jews, more or less.

Listen to Hitler's speeches.

sunsong said...

We're supposed to accept them as wisdom? No. Many of them are just plain old stupid.

You really have a problem of assuming things not in evidence :-)

Why not just ignore them? What is it that causes you to attack? What's that about? Do you think it accomplishes something?

Rick said...

Nyamujal said...
A simple compilation of the number of people killed in the USA by the KKK, far right extremists and neo-Nazis from say the 1980's vs. those killed by BLM and Antifas should settle the argument on which side poses a greater threat.

I'm actually going to work on this when I'm free and compile a list. It might take some time and a lot of coding magic, but I'll take great pleasure in proving you Trumpkins wrong.


It's odd you think this would prove anything. Most people think all groups advocating violence are wrong. But you go work on your list.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

When you read some histories of Nazi Germany, one of the chief arguments Hitler made was that he was standing up to violent leftists who were traitors.

Exactly.

sunsong said...

No, he's sitting there saying to himself "How can the KKK help me today?"

LOL - Trump's in it for Trump :-)

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

The Althouse crowd would be well-advised to watch this.

Nyamujal said...

"If the Nazi's camped-out with Robert E. Lee all day, and everyone went to the beach, then no one would care."

Tells you something that they care so much about confederate monuments and symbols including the battle flag...But I guess it's heritage and not hate.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Inga's latest brainfart:

No, he's sitting there saying to himself "How can the KKK help me today?"

8/14/17, 7:49 PM

Senile. :)

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Do you honestly think Trump is sitting there and saying to himself "How can I help the KKK today?"

How interested do you think Trump is in losing support?

Enough to care about the viewpoints of his supporters, no matter how repugnant?

I don't think so.

And neither does Bannon. Bannon thinks we're taking up the cause of Europe pre-1500. For serious. Read Josh Green's book on him. Pretty unprecedentedly open access on the guy, compared to what anyone else knew about the relatively reclusive couch potato look-alike.

exiledonmainstreet said...

sunsong: "Why not just ignore them? What is it that causes you to attack? What's that about? Do you think it accomplishes something?"

Why should I ignore something that is stupid and wrong?

No, sadly, pointing out your stupidity does not seem to accomplish anything, because, as Angel Dyne and others have noted you appear to be a bit retarded.

Angel-Dyne said...

Nyamujal: When you read some histories of Nazi Germany, one of the chief arguments Hitler made was that he was standing up to violent leftists who were traitors.

Well if Hitler said that, we can confidently conclude that there were no violent leftists in Germany at that time.

And it follows from that there are no violent lefties in Germany, or anywhere else in Europe, or in the United States, now.

Lefty logic.

readering said...

Wow, being left-handed makes that much of a difference?

Unknown said...

"No, sadly, pointing out your stupidity does not seem to accomplish anything, because, as Angel Dyne and others have noted you appear to be a bit retarded."

Sociopathy can be treated.🤡

MountainJohn said...

"Genocide by class" is an oxymoron, you moron.

It's a neologism, you dimwit.

You're dead either way. And you understood exactly what was meant.

Todd Roberson said...

Dom DeLuise:

DeLuisional

Unknown:

Delusional

Peace

exiledonmainstreet said...

As long as we're quoting around here, I'd like to quote Ace of the Ace of Spades blog:

I think Identity Politics of all kinds are odious and poisonous to the individual -- if your value is your race or gender, well, you have branded yourself as someone of extraordinarily low value, haven't you?

But as John Sexton points out, you can't expect a culture to praise all sorts of Identity Politics -- flat-out racist groups and gender supremacists -- but say that one group doesn't get to play by the same rules.

Either it's all poisonous garbage, or it's all got something of merit to it.

I believe the former. But the media -- and the establishment right political class -- cannot continue with this incoherent claim that Identity Politics are permissible for e everyone except The One Group Which is Truly Odious and Cursed by God.

People will not accept that. No one will accept his subordination without a fight of some kind.


Well, liberal white cucks will. But they have no self-respect.

sunsong said...

No, sadly, pointing out your stupidity does not seem to accomplish anything, because, as Angel Dyne and others have noted you appear to be a bit retarded.

Really? And yet, you feel a need to attack "a bit retarded" person? LOL

Do you feel threatened by ideas? Really? Even retarded ideas? lol

Why do feel a need top personally attack? Why not just provide an argument for or against?

exiledonmainstreet said...


"Do you feel threatened by ideas? Really? Even retarded ideas? lol"

I don't know, sunsong. Maybe someday you'll have something resembling "an idea" in your head and you'll share it and we'll see.

Unknown said...

"Why do feel a need top personally attack? Why not just provide an argument for or against?"

Because when she's bested in an argument and her back is up against the wall, she lashes out.

Browndog said...

These comments have quickly degenerated into the most juvenile, asinine "discussion" I've ever seen on Althouse.

Anonymous said...

Unknown said...


"Do you honestly think Trump is sitting there and saying to himself "How can I help the KKK today?""

No, he's sitting there saying to himself "How can the KKK help me today?"


Don't you honestly think Trump's answer to that hypothetical question would be - "Go away"? "Cease to exist"?

I understand that Donald Trump has hurt you. The election results and Trump himself have been emotionally traumatizing to many people.

And as a Trump supporter I appreciate legitimate criticisms of Trump - his lack of intellect, shallow, vulgar, crass, excessive age and weight, etc

But we need to be honest and state that in relation to the Big Three determiners of American political morality - blacks, Jews and gays - Donald Trump has been consistently on the opposite side from the KKK, neo nazis etc.

Donald Trump has NEVER been sympathetic to or supported aggression or contempt for any of these people.

And Trump's base would LOVE to have the majorities from these groups find religion and join the make America great team.

Pretending Donald Trump or his team are pro KKK, neo nazi is not a rational belief.

sunsong said...

So now you know why I prefer to post quotes...

It is a waste of time to try and talk with you

Angel-Dyne said...

Browndog: These comments have quickly degenerated into the most juvenile, asinine "discussion" I've ever seen on Althouse.

Meh. I've seen worse.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Inga's idea of "besting" someone in a argument is to call them "delusional."

I take it she didn't make the debate team in high school.

Now, can you argue like an adult or do you just want to repeat yourself the way senile old women tend to do?

Unknown said...

"Don't you honestly think Trump's answer to that hypothetical question would be - "Go away"? "Cease to exist"?"

Maybe now, but not back during the campaign. He welcomed the support of the Alt Right and white supremacists during the campaign. Now it's come back to bite him in the ass. Good.

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