Bloomberg suggests that this as a walk-back from the much-criticized "many sides" statement Trump made on Saturday. But he's still saying "other hate groups" — which could include Antifa, and he also said:
“To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable,” Trump said, adding that he had just met with Attorney General Jeff Sessions and FBI Director Chris Wray for an update on a federal civil rights investigation into the incident.Anyone who acted criminally... that too would include all sides.
“We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence,” he added.
Note the triad — hatred, bigotry, and violence. Those are the same 3 words he put together in Saturday's "many sides" statement — "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides."
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adults don't make personal attacks!
@Angel-Dyne
I'm sorry, but I stopped engaging with you a while back because I feel like we just talk over and around each other. It's the same with Achilles. You guys say the things you wouldn't say to another person in real life which suggests that your comments here and the venom you put into them are purely cathartic. If I wanted to take on people like you I'd comment on Brietbart or Takimag forums.
So, I hope you feel smug about that comment. Goodnight.
Althouse, the trolls are ruining the blog again. Look at my recent comment proving one of them is using multiple accounts.
"I consider the source. I don't take offense from people on this blog. I'm wondering WHY you attack. What's that about?
Why not just ignore things you don't agree with?"
Ignore the rest of this unless that was a serious question.
It sounds like you are saying people here should just turn the other cheek when they are called a stupid asshole racist by you? Alinsky aside, why isn't that your behavior? I think you already know the answers to these questions. People are tired of it, and it has gone on too long.
I don't know if this helps relations, but if any government, right, left, whatever tries to send you to a re education camp for wrong think, I swear that I will be at your side. Armed.
sunsong said...
can you argue like an adult"
I'm not attacking you now. I'm asking you to critique what I quoted. I made it clear exactly WHY I didn't like the quote posted about BLM. I didn't just call it and you dumb. I gave you my reasons for disliking it. Can you not do the same?
Posting quotes is boring.
The number one rule Althouse has expressed is "don't be boring" so maybe follow house rules?
cannot continue with this incoherent claim that Identity Politics are permissible for e everyone except The One Group Which is Truly Odious and Cursed by God.
Who is that? Who is the "one group...cursed by God"
And how is that known?
Birkel, it's true that posting quotes is boring and I try not to do it too much. (Sometimes I will post a pertinent paragraph from a story because I know damn well the leftists won't click on the link.)
However, I think Ace hit the nail right on the head there.
Antifa just pulled down the Confederate monument in Durham, NC. Maybe next they'll hold a book burning. Just like the good little brown shirts their mommies knew they'd grow up to be.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article167203777.html
This monster brought to you by the Democrat party!
Maybe now, but not back during the campaign. He welcomed the support of the Alt Right and white supremacists during the campaign. Now it's come back to bite him in the ass. Good.
No, he didn't. At all. You're lying right through your teeth. As has been your MO lately.
You've lost it, Unknown. You're crazier than a shithouse rat.
Who is that? Who is the "one group...cursed by God"
And how is that known?"
C'mon, you know he is talking about how the Left sees white males. Specifically, white blue collar guys who voted for Trump.
The group the Democrat candidate called the deplorables and Obama called "bitter clingers."
They are insulted and demonized by the Left every day.
Do you think they are all going to lie back and take it?
As Ace said, either identity politics is wrong for everyone or it's all OK. You can't say it's OK for women and gays and Hispanics but not for white males.
Althouse, the trolls are ruining the blog again. Look at my recent comment proving one of them is using multiple accounts.
This blog can't be ruined by trolls. It's a museum of troll shit. It's not moderated in any meaningful way
The White Nationalist rally at Texas A&M has been cancelled. Wise decision.
"Texas A&M's support of the First Amendment and the freedom of speech cannot be questioned," the university said in a statement Monday afternoon.
However, in this case circumstances and information relating to the event have changed and the risks of threat to life and safety compel us to cancel the event."
I think, exiled, posting a quote because it encapsulates what you would say is a handy shortcut. Posting a dozen quotes without commentary is boring as hell.
Hell, some of the quotes can't properly be called appeals to authority because it's a quote by some schmoe on Facebook. In fact, I think the tactics we have seen recently are an effort to disrupt the blog. Repeating a closing like "delusional" would certainly count for no other purpose.
"You've lost it, Unknown. You're crazier than a shithouse rat."
She lives in a hive of Nazi deplorables. Her Trumpist neighbors are going to barge though the kitchen door any minute and make her write "Make America Great Again" 1000 times on a blackboard before they burn her pussy hat and force her to dress in a " Handmaid's Tale" outfit.
So you can't blame her for being crazy.
Antifa just pulled down the Confederate monument in Durham, NC. Maybe next they'll hold a book burning. Just like the good little brown shirts their mommies knew they'd grow up to be.
And why should these vandals not be jailed for destruction of public property?
And why should these vandals not be jailed for destruction of public property?
8/14/17, 8:39 PM
"Because it's different when we do it!"
"You've lost it, Unknown. You're crazier than a shithouse rat."
Nuttier than a vegan's turd.
[Hat tip to the source].
sunsong said...
can you argue like an adult
adults don't make personal attacks!
They also don't blame people for the acts of others.
sunsong said...So now you know why I prefer to post quotes...
It is a waste of time to try and talk with you
But you do tend to argue using others' words -- by continually posting in quotes. You are not the Drudge of commenters.
So Texas A&M will lose a lawsuit. So what?
Meanwhile the Norks have called of buzzing Guam with missiles, but Trump didn't differentiate between the national socialists and the international socialists and absolve the commies, so it was a bad day. Whatever.
@mockturtle. According to Toothless, Antifada doesn't exist until we know who they are. And if any of them happen to be black, they cannot possibly be racist.
Someone asked who came up with control left. It might have been Royal Earl House.
Family of a White Nationalist wrote an open letter to their son and brother who attended the Alt Right White Supremacist KKK rally in Charlottesville.
Peter Tefft, my son, is not welcome at our family gatherings any longer. I pray my prodigal son will renounce his hateful beliefs and return home. Then and only then will I lay out the feast.
Good grief, so now you're back to gross generalizations..."the left" believes____( as if we are a monolith )
and at the same time here you are complaining about "identity" politics - :-)
Poor whites supported Trump because they believed he would help them with jobs and prosperity, right?
The dems had not helped them all these years, right?
They weren't an 'identity' group but they needed and deserved help as much as others, right?
sunsong said...
Good grief, so now you're back to gross generalizations..
It's so cute sunsong's back to pretending this isn't the entirety of her argument.
sunsong said... [hush][hide comment]
What a bunch of conjecture. Weaselly words so and so may be or feel this way. No one knows. Good grief. Talk about the fact free right wingers...
1/18/17, 9:06 AM
Standards are for other people.
According to Toothless, Antifada doesn't exist until we know who they are. And if any of them happen to be black, they cannot possibly be racist.
This is a lie but apparently autism and illiteracy go hand-in-hand.
Stop being worthless and contribute something to civic discourse for once in your life. Or just stop throwing your toys on the ground, pick them up and go home.
You clearly have no capacity for contributing to adult conversation on controversial topics.
"Nuttier than a vegan's turd."
Crazier than Charlie Sheen on LSD.
Toothless, I too have conceived a sudden hatred for a foreigner. I really enjoyed the piece that I wrote about him, but as an old friend told me, some letters are best written and not sent.
Sorry to be random. I had a hard time not hitting Publish.
sunsong claims poor whites are not an identity group. sunsong makes this claim while deriding (wink, wink) identity politics.
By this logic, sunsong supports anti-identity politics in which sunsong gets to tell others they are not a group.
Can you overdose on irony?
Google says it’s canceling the registration of neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer for violating its terms of service, after it posted an article mocking the woman who was run over and killed at a white nationalist rally in Virginia.
So good for them, Inga. What point are you trying to make?
I mean, there has to be one, right?
Because you are crazier than Charlie Sheen on LSD, you haven't noticed that nobody here is defending white supremacists.
Records from 911 calls show the driver charged with killing a woman at a white nationalist rally was previously accused of beating his mother and threatening her with a knife.
Authorities say 20-year-old James Fields drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters on Saturday in Charlottesville. At least two dozen were wounded in addition to the woman killed.
The records the Florence Police Department in Kentucky show the man’s mother had called police in 2011. Records show Fields’ mother, Samantha Bloom, told police he stood behind her wielding a 12-inch knife. Bloom is disabled and uses a wheelchair.
In another incident in 2010, Bloom said that Fields smacked her in the head and locked her in the bathroom after she told him to stop playing video games. Bloom told officers Fields was on medication to control his temper.
sunsong claims poor whites are not an identity group.
Not true. Go back and reread it. I asked who Ace of Spades was referring to and exile told me it was Trump supporters.
The mayor of Boston has already told the Alt Right White Supremacists Nazi KKK rally goers that they should stay home. Boston doesn't want them. Good, it looks like they will be treated like the pariahs they are.
“We don’t need this type of hate,” said Walsh. “So my message is clear to this group. We don’t want you in Boston. We don’t want you on Boston Common. We don’t want you spewing the hate that we saw yesterday, and the loss of life.”
"sunsong claims poor whites are not an identity group.
Not true. Go back and reread it. I asked who Ace of Spades was referring to and exile told me it was Trump supporters."
I said specifically blue collar white males who voted for Trump. That would be the majority of blue collar white males.
What about that 9 year old boy who wrote a letter to Trump and wanted a birthday cake with Trump's name on it?
I wonder if he is a Nazi monster too.
""Trump campaign emails show aide's repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings … Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”"
Hey dipshit, none of that is illegal.
Maybe this could lead to some history of The Third Reich being taught that would forever settle any attraction Hitler's Nordic Nationalism has for completely non educated Americans .
It is a present danger. The spiritual basis of Hitler's evil is around as active as it was in 1900 among Germans seeking the supernatural in the Teutonic Knights. Alistair Crowley still has his disciples inside Hillary's political circle.
Trump is wrong to ignore this.
Writmo wrote: This is a lie...
It's not a lie. I'm just bringing in words and context from an earlier, still-active thread wherein you question the very existence of something called "Antifa." I guess I should wait until you do the same here and save some trouble.
"Records from 911 calls show the driver charged with killing a woman at a white nationalist rally was previously accused of beating his mother and threatening her with a knife.
Authorities say 20-year-old James Fields drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters on Saturday in Charlottesville. At least two dozen were wounded in addition to the woman killed.
The records the Florence Police Department in Kentucky show the man’s mother had called police in 2011. Records show Fields’ mother, Samantha Bloom, told police he stood behind her wielding a 12-inch knife. Bloom is disabled and uses a wheelchair.
In another incident in 2010, Bloom said that Fields smacked her in the head and locked her in the bathroom after she told him to stop playing video games. Bloom told officers Fields was on medication to control his temper."
So asshat acts like asshat all the way around. Good sleuthing! I hope he goes away for a long time.
"It is a present danger. The spiritual basis of Hitler's evil is around as active as it was in 1900 among Germans seeking the supernatural in the Teutonic Knights. Alistair Crowley still has his disciples inside Hillary's political circle.
Trump is wrong to ignore this."
Hear hear Trad Guy, glad to hear you say so.
In the meantime, North Korea has backed off their threat to attack Guam.
Gee, just a few days ago, Inga was pissing her Depends because Trump talked tough to Crazy Kim and we were all gonna die!!
No worries, she's forgotten about that and found something else to piss her Depends over.
"She lives in a hive of Nazi deplorables. Her Trumpist neighbors are going to barge though the kitchen door any minute and make her write "Make America Great Again" 1000 times on a blackboard before they burn her pussy hat and force her to dress in a " Handmaid's Tale" outfit."
The fact that they're not herding her immediately on to a train shows how decent of a man Trump to be. ; )
"Records from 911 calls show the driver charged with killing a woman at a white nationalist rally was previously accused of beating his mother and threatening her with a knife."
Sounds like he's an asshole.
Anything else new?
Tribal politics yields tribes at odds with one another.
Who knew? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe this could lead to some history of The Third Reich being taught that would forever settle any attraction Hitler's Nordic Nationalism has for completely non educated Americans .
Too Eurocentric. Not woke. Try again.
Known Unknown said...
Tribal politics yields tribes at odds with one another. "
The Left won't rest until we look like the former Yugoslavia in 1992.
It's not a lie. I'm just bringing in words and context from an earlier, still-active thread wherein you question the very existence of something called "Antifa."
I said I don't know what they are, not that I question their existence. (Which is different still from claiming that "according to" me they "don't exist.")
So yes, it is a lie. And a lie on top of an even worse lie earlier.
Why not just admit that your massive bias (for whatever, I can only guess) is obviously blinding you? I obviously bring out some type of even more irrational than usual fury in you; it keeps you from being at all accurate in characterizing whatever I say having to do with topics that you already seem to have much trouble following.
Sad. (I meant to add).
On orders of sunsong I reread and found this "They weren't an 'identity' group..."
In which sunsong wrote poorly or meant to say poor whites were not an identity group, with single quotes around identity to emphasize something.
Write clearly or block quote others.
You may want to quote others.
sunsong said...
"Check out the pics here...blacks were injured in Charlottesville. Talk about group think! Where the hell did you get the idea that there were no blacks there???"
I did not get the idea there were no blacks there. I just did not see why Trump referred to "racial violence", when all the people I saw fighting were white. I suppose there were some transexuals there, too. Was it "cis-het violence"? How can you tell violence's pronouns?
Earlier today Leftists were claiming they support free speech.
Tonight UnknownInga celebrates viewpoint discrimination.
Interesting.
Too Eurocentric. Not woke. Try again.
I agree. I knew that Tradguy detested Catholics and especially anyone who ever stood against his vaunted Scots-Irish. Anyway, the majority of Germans who emigrated to America did so before 1900.
How's that for tribal?
"Maybe this could lead to some history of The Third Reich being taught that would forever settle any attraction Hitler's Nordic Nationalism has for completely non educated Americans ."
While I agree this is a good idea, it would be even better if they learned about the Constitution and Bill of Rights. A frightening number of young people - and not so young people - don't think the First Amendment protects ALL speech, not just the speech they deem acceptable.
Have them learn the basics of US history (which is much richer and more complex than "White guys came, killed all the Indians and enslaved blacks and so we are the most evilest country on earth.")
It would include learning how many brave American men fought and died to rid Europe of Nazism and ensure that we would continue to enjoy our freedoms - including the freedom of speech.
Went to a park tonight for my son's soccer practice.
Very diversified population in attendance.
However, the Indians (of which there were many) all played cricket.
The black guys all played basketball.
And the white kids all played soccer.
Writmo wrote: I said I don't know what they are, not that I question their existence.
When I first heard the term "alt-right" I asked what they are. This was around the time of the Bannon/alt-right Inauguration dust up. I still cannot get a straight answer.
I admit that I am intrigued by identity politics. I have fought against it my entire life, but if we have now reached the point where it is OK for some but not others, I am naturally inclined to join in out of an innate sense of fairness.
@Known Unknown: Children who don't play together don't stay together.
I admit that I am intrigued by identity politics.
It is the recognition that people's individual rights are still impacted by family, community and the historical legacy of both. If one's family and community over the course of several generations (i.e. identity) were prevented from contributing to their posterity in the way that others' weren't, then that creates a historical injustice that ignorance or individualism or optimism alone won't in themselves resolve.
Why not just admit that your massive bias (for whatever, I can only guess) is obviously blinding you? I obviously bring out some type of even more irrational than usual fury in you; it keeps you from being at all accurate in characterizing whatever I say having to do with topics that you already seem to have much trouble following.
I enjoy needling you because you are ever the counter-majoritarian -- just like Althouse. You enjoy being the against-the-grain one -- just like Althouse -- for its own sake. Occasionally, your mask slips -- as it did the last time you defended Israel against the "Paleostinians" or knocked Crack in a hole he never dug himself out of. But those moments are rare.
"It would include learning how many brave American men fought and died to rid Europe of Nazism and ensure that we would continue to enjoy our freedoms - including the freedom of speech."
"We should call evil by its name. My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home."
Orrin Hatch
But those moments are rare.
Maybe if more people agreed with me more often then those moments would be more frequent.
Apparently the mayor of Boston doesn't have anyone on his staff to tell him that "We don't need this type of hate" makes it clear that there are other types of hate that he finds perfectly acceptable, wants, and even needs. Maybe some reporter should ask him for a list of acceptable types of hate.
The Toothless Revolutionary said... I obviously bring out some type of even more irrational than usual fury in you;
Given you and sunsong self awareness seems in perilously short supply on the left.
If one's family and community over the course of several generations (i.e. identity) were prevented from contributing to their posterity in the way that others' weren't, then that creates a historical injustice that ignorance or individualism or optimism alone won't in themselves resolve.
It takes less than a generation. I was told by a Department Chair at UVA that I would have been hired but for my race and gender. I should have been wearing a wire. He was just following Deans' orders. I think that counts for the sort of experience you describe.
"Apparently the mayor of Boston doesn't have anyone on his staff to tell him that "We don't need this type of hate" makes it clear that there are other types of hate that he finds perfectly acceptable, wants, and even needs. Maybe some reporter should ask him for a list of acceptable types of hate."
YANKEE HATE!!!!! RAH RAH RAH!
The Toothless Revolutionary said...Maybe if more people agreed with me more often then those moments would be more frequent.
Absolutely Trumpestuous! lol, and bravo!
"We should call evil by its name. My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home."
Define unchallenged.
"If one's family and community over the course of several generations (i.e. identity) were prevented from contributing to their posterity in the way that others' weren't, then that creates a historical injustice that ignorance or individualism or optimism alone won't in themselves resolve."
There's no good solutions vis-a-vis collectivism. You just continually pit people against one another and Charlottesville is the terrible result.
There's no good solutions vis-a-vis collectivism.
Oh really?
I seem to recall a few dozen founding revolutionaries collectively signing a Declaration to George III about their Independence, and were convinced to do so on the premise that they would all hang together or they could hang separately.
What collectivists! What a bad solution!
If only they'd all rendered their opposition to his policies individually. Perhaps in person, too.
And let's disband the military, while we're at it. It's too collective. People should just go to war with large armies personally, as individuals.
As Misplaced My Pants correctly stated recently, ignoring is very powerful.
"What collectivists! What a bad solution!
If only they'd all rendered their opposition to his policies individually. Perhaps in person, too.
And let's disband the military, while we're at it. It's too collective. People should just go to war with large armies personally, as individuals."
I showed you some apples. You responded with oranges.
I showed you some apples. You responded with oranges.
I think you responded with generalities and I answered with specifics.
"It is the recognition that people's individual rights are still impacted by family, community and the historical legacy of both"
Is that not also true of a white guy in Tennessee or in a blue collar suburb of Pittsburgh?
What does a coal miner think when he hears of "white privilege?" What does a bus driver's son think when he is told by upper middle class white college kids that he has to "check his privilege?"
Modern identity politics is a racket and an injustice. BLM is holding people responsible for crimes they never committed. Emmett Till's murder was a terrible crime. Trying to right that wrong by making those born generations later pay is not fair or just.
Racial "healing" will never occur because we keep obsessively picking at the sore. Picking at it, infecting it, making it bleed more.
Here are the things that keep people out of poverty: 1. Don't have a baby in your teens. 2. Finish high school (and I would add, get further training, although it doesn't necessarily have to be college. I'm very in favor or trade schools.) 3. Don't be a single mother by choice 4. Once you're done with school, get a job and do it. Show up on time.
Stats show that people who do those things - black or white - climb out of poverty. Those who do not - black or white - stay poor.
Those things are easier said than done when you're born into the inner city - or in a trailer park in West Virginia. Affirmative action is an easy out for elites who don't want to tackle the really difficult problems of family structure, peer pressure, bad schools, poor parenting, etc. When conservatives raise the issue of cultural influences, however, they're called racists or Toms. In the meantime, people continue to shoot each other in Chicago.
"We should call evil by its name. My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home."
Define unchallenged."
Exactly. Challenge those Nazi ideas with words and education.
Not with baseball bats and homemade flame throwers.
In a way, these antifas are making Nazism more attractive to a certain kind of rebellious young person. When things are considered beyond the pale and taboo, young people are attracted to those things, whether we're talking about sex or pot or bad ideologies. Explain why Nazis are bad. Show them what Nazis did and why Nazism and any sort of collectivism are the most unAmerican ideologies ever. Now they're not being taught, they're just hearing "BAD, BAD, BAD!" so it becomes an edgy thing instead of just being stupid.
I am speaking about collectivism as a governing philosophy that leverages the authority of the state against the freedoms of the individual.
Are the Armed Forces a collective? In some ways yes, but a voluntary one.
As you recall, INDIVIDUALS signed the Declaration of Independence from their respective colonies/states.
Why don't we judge all Muslims, abortionists, [class] diversitists, color supremacists, communists, socialists, etc. where principled alignment is evident with equal contempt?
Why don't we treat all babies equally (e.g. one-child) rather than selectively (i.e. Pro-Choice)?
Identity politics is also divisive in this way: a black kid raised by a single mother in Detroit and a white kid raised by a single mother in a little Pennsylvania town with a meth problem have more in common with each other than they do with the son of a Silicon Valley programmer or a black doctor's kid. But identity politics means that if those two poor kids strive and somehow manage to get to college despite the odds - the black kid will be taught to see the white kid as a cracka and an enemy and the white kid will be taught that he's privileged and not "woke" if he doesn't see himself as an oppressor.
"Identity politics is also divisive in this way ... "
This is why you had the 2016 Hunger Games election.
Is that not also true of a white guy in Tennessee or in a blue collar suburb of Pittsburgh?
Sure.
His family made poor economic choices and took pride! in their hardscrabble mountain-man poverty!
The negro's family was enslaved, sharecropped, segregated, and outcast - no matter how nicely they decided to dress and wash for a job interview.
Legacies. One the legacy of a choice, the other a legacy of non-choices.
But otherwise you get a cookie. And support from those gathered in Charlottesville.
Writmo wrote: Legacies. One the legacy of a choice, the other a legacy of non-choices.
What a great line to remind you of next time any black voluntarily commits any crime. Or do black people suffer from volition?
This is why you had the 2016 Hunger Games election.
8/14/17, 10:17 PM
And it is also why Democrats need to keep on playing the race card. Once they abandoned the white working class, they needed to keep the blacks and Hispanics roped in. God forbid that that poor black kid should look at the poor white kid and feel any sort of solidarity or kinship. Nope, all anybody is taught to see is skin (or gender, or sexual orientation).
How is that a positive development?
"But otherwise you get a cookie. And support from those gathered in Charlottesville."
Cheap shot and entirely unwarranted by anything I wrote.
As chicklet said, you seem to think blacks make no choices, only whites do. Blacks apparently can't keep themselves from getting pregnant at 13, joining gangs, taking drugs, ridiculing other black kids who study for 'acting white" or burning down beauty supply stores in Ferguson. But whites in Tennessee who make the same bad choices get your scorn and ridicule.
Do you see how bigoted that is? Not toward whites - toward blacks.
"Trump campaign emails show aide's repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings … Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”
How about telling the rest of the story Unknown1182?
Trump campaign emails also show campaign leadership REJECTING any meetings with Russian officials.
"His family made poor economic choices and took pride!"
So the kid should pay for the sins of his forebears?
There are guys in the inner city who take pride in having fathered 6 kids by 6 different women. Those kids shouldn't have to pay. But they do.
You note, correctly, that the plight of many people in Appalachia is caused by their own bad cultural habits. You refuse to admit the same of inner city blacks.
"How about telling the rest of the story Unknown1182?"
Inga's cuts and pastes are very -selective.
So the kid should pay for the sins of his forebears?
I knew a British woman--decades ago--who actually stated (told me) that her (white) son should suffer iniquity based on British history. She's divorced now and lost custody of her son.
You refuse to admit the same of inner city blacks.
Writmo has "slipped" before and made generalizations about blacks' lack of respect for education. But those moments are rare. I'm telling you, he/she's in this for contrarian reasons. You're too sincere to take ritmo seriously, exiled.
Oh no! I've "slipped" and actually remembered what the point was.
In any event, this must be what "winning" looks like: A president with favorables so low and so dependent upon neo-Nazi/Confederate support that he's afraid to condemn them outright.
Enjoy all that winning, fools.
In any event, this must be what "winning" looks like
Charlie Sheen still lives and breathes. You laughed then.
You note, correctly, that the plight of many people in Appalachia is caused by their own bad cultural habits. You refuse to admit the same of inner city blacks.
I actually noted, that Appalachians have had many more generations of freedom within which to "correct" those voluntary choices.
What is it about generations of enslavement, rape, disenfranchisement, stolen wages that makes you feel you've been made inferior/unfairly treated in comparison to a people who actually faced that, mainstreet?
Whew boy the entitlement gene must be strong in these white people! Or as their leader said,
"I do whine because I want to win and I'm not happy about not winning and I am a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win!"
Enjoy the whining, people!
Unknown said...
"Using false accusations of racism is gross and disgusting."
Yes, but when it's warranted it's truth to power. It's good to see the Left call you Trumpists out. You got away with your bigotry far too long.
This is the problem. Inga is an idiot granted but most haters are. Inga doesn't give a shit about stopping racism or actually doing anything to bring the country together. For Inga it is merely a weapon to use against people she disagrees with politically.
To say she is a disgusting piece of shit is missing the point. She is an enemy of freedom. She would use this incident where two groups both of which I condemn to tar me and drive me out of the political sphere.
She will use any tool she can to take power and use it against other people.
There are guys in the inner city who take pride in having fathered 6 kids by 6 different women.
Whichever plantation-owner broke up his ancestors' families and raped them so as to perpetuate the genetic seeds of greed and entitlement in their place must have taught him well!
Those kids shouldn't have to pay. But they do.
And they will pay even more handsomely once those benefits you hate so much are slashed!
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Oh no! I've "slipped" and actually remembered what the point was.
In any event, this must be what "winning" looks like: A president with favorables so low and so dependent upon neo-Nazi/Confederate support that he's afraid to condemn them outright.
Enjoy all that winning, fools.
Actually it is the Democrat party that is so out of touch and that has lost so many elections for so long that they have to pretend the support of 50 people at a stupid rally is what is really got Trump elected.
BLM, Antifa, and La Raza have 1000's of times as many members of the KKK and are just as racist and far more violent.
What is more is every republican everywhere has denounced the KKK while democrats welcome and support their violet racists.
Have fun watching democrats lose again in 2018 and 2020.
She will use any tool she can to take power and use it against other people.
Inga would fart in a room to clear it of "Trumpists."
Actually it is the Democrat party that is so out of touch and that has lost so many elections for so long that they have to pretend the support of 50 people at a stupid rally is what is really got Trump elected.
It's not an all-or-nothing thing. It's both/and.
There are guys in the inner city who take pride in having fathered 6 kids by 6 different women.
Writmo is just in awe and envious of that guy because he hasn't figured a way to get a woman to trust sperm washing.
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The Toothless Revolutionary said...
You note, correctly, that the plight of many people in Appalachia is caused by their own bad cultural habits. You refuse to admit the same of inner city blacks.
I actually noted, that Appalachians have had many more generations of freedom within which to "correct" those voluntary choices.
What is it about generations of enslavement, rape, disenfranchisement, stolen wages that makes you feel you've been made inferior/unfairly treated in comparison to a people who actually faced that, mainstreet?
Both of these trends are much more recent than slavery. I don't think you realize just how fucked up the South was after Republicans took their slaves.
I will grant you the argument if you say that Jim Crow had more to do with it.
But this is not a republican democrat issue. Democrats ran Jim Crow. Republicans are stupid about race and I plan on taking some of these people to task. Exiled has some pretty rotten comments and I am betting will find the same old same old above that.
But while Republicans have been stupid Democrats have been evil. They have re-segregated public schools and have purposely put Black kids in shitty schools. They have purposely destroyed the Black Family. Super-majorities of Black children are born without fathers. The send these Black kids to colleges they are not prepared for, they drop out at much higher rates and have non-dischargeable debt when they are done. It is disgusting.
I will grant everything about the war on drugs/crime except that again it is both parties playing that game.
exiledonmainstreet said...
Here are the things that keep people out of poverty: 1. Don't have a baby in your teens. 2. Finish high school (and I would add, get further training, although it doesn't necessarily have to be college. I'm very in favor or trade schools.) 3. Don't be a single mother by choice 4. Once you're done with school, get a job and do it. Show up on time.
Stats show that people who do those things - black or white - climb out of poverty. Those who do not - black or white - stay poor.
Those things are easier said than done when you're born into the inner city - or in a trailer park in West Virginia. Affirmative action is an easy out for elites who don't want to tackle the really difficult problems of family structure, peer pressure, bad schools, poor parenting, etc. When conservatives raise the issue of cultural influences, however, they're called racists or Toms. In the meantime, people continue to shoot each other in Chicago.
I am really tired of people saying "Look how easy this is!"
It is dumb. Please accept that Black people are getting a shitty deal. Once you accept that there is systemic racism in this country and there are people trying to keep Black people uneducated and poor then we can solve problems.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Actually it is the Democrat party that is so out of touch and that has lost so many elections for so long that they have to pretend the support of 50 people at a stupid rally is what is really got Trump elected.
It's not an all-or-nothing thing. It's both/and.
Which state did the neo-Nazi's flip to Trump? What percentage of his support do you honestly think comes from white supremacists?
Notice that there hasn't been a single gathering of them with triple digits in attendance in years. On the other hand BLM and La Raza...
The best thing that can happen now, is if the North Koreans nuke New York City from one of their submarines cruising off of Long Island.
At least then, we can get Pelosi and Schumer to shut the fuck up.
Both of these trends are much more recent than slavery. I don't think you realize just how fucked up the South was after Republicans took their slaves.
Don't forget the burnt to the ground, pissed/dumped kerosene in the wells, and shot every farm animal larger than chickens, which they stole, part. It's not like the slaves Ubered over the Mason-Dixon line.
The best thing that can happen now, is if the North Koreans nuke New York City from one of their submarines cruising off of Long Island.
Thanks! In that case I will see you in hell. However, I believe I will trust the Navy to do their jobs even if the Air Force can't.
Diversity is judging people by the "color of their skin" is racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the DNC, Antifa fascists, color supremacists (e.g. racial minorities), female chauvinists, progressives liberals, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
Then there are abortion rites, the "final solution", denying lives deemed unworthy.
The neo-national socialists are at the twilight's fringe spreading their universal quasi-religious/moral philosophy through racism, abortion, and refugee crises for the Pro-Choice Church.
"I actually noted, that Appalachians have had many more generations of freedom within which to "correct" those voluntary choices."
This is 40+ years ago. Girlfriend at the time worked in Charlottesville with the mentally challenged. They called them the "dull and dipopie of Mr Jefferson's country". I had recently read a book detailing my paternal family roots, The origin of "Hayden" is a place name in England, and began as the name of a Norman knight, around 1100 or so. Sort of thing that you would bore a GF with. So, she commented that she has a lot of clients with that last name, as there had been a bit too much interbreeding up in the hills there.
"I am really tired of people saying "Look how easy this is!"
It is dumb. Please accept that Black people are getting a shitty deal. Once you accept that there is systemic racism in this country and there are people trying to keep Black people uneducated and poor then we can solve problems."
Did I say it was easy? I have stated that blacks are being kept in poverty because it benefits the race hustlers and Democrat elites, who don't want the problem solved. The solutions are clear - but they involve a massive change in black inner city culture and schools. How do you do that? It's a huge undertaking. Things like school choice are starts - and look at how school choice has been demonized by the teacher's union.
I'm pretty aware that it is by design. The systemic racism comes from the left and the elites of both parties, who have no interest in addressing those problems and it's made worse by people like Ritmo, who deny that blacks can make right or wrong choices, just as whites can.
Achilles wrote:
"Exiled has some pretty rotten comments and I am betting will find the same old same old above that."
Well, since you've seen fit to put words in my mouth I didn't say (like "the solutions are easy! Hesto Presto, do this!" Simple does not mean easy. It's no small task to try to put the black family back together again after the Great Society welfare programs destroyed it.)
I don't see where you are saying anything much different than I am, so I must ask what you find so "rotten" about my comments. Saying blacks bear responsibility for changing inner city culture? Who else is going to do it? You? Me?
AReasonableMan said...
" karlpopperghost said...
but Trump is a true believer
of what? He seems almost entirely incapable any coherent policy thought. He was all over the map on health insurance and hasn't moved the ball forward on any other issue."
Hmmm. North Korea seems to have backed down.
You were saying?
"I actually noted, that Appalachians have had many more generations of freedom within which to "correct" those voluntary choices. "
You're forgetting outside influences and forces on both populations. Most of Appalachia has been poor for generations because there's no there there. Outside of coal mining, which has seen its influence ebb over the years and agriculture, which again, isn't the same as it used to be, there's no engine of innovation designed to carry those families out of poverty. Their best bet would be to move-- but that's easier said than done. Individuals get out (JD Vance) but in large part, most people tend to like to live where they grew up. I would bet the same holds for inner city youth. It's HARD to escape the cycle of poverty when inertia is against you from day one, no matter what your collective history is. \
Outside the relatively tiny populations of Appalachia (like towns in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania -- the places that really elected Trump) you have to look at the shift in economic reality in those places that feel as if they are getting a raw deal. These are not just rural whites or inner-city blacks that share a common cause. They are former members of the middle-industrial-class whose fortunes have been erased over time. They are both black and white, and in some limited cases Latino. (See Mexican-American populations in Detroit)
I grew up smack dab in the rust belt. I fault the mindset of those towns for clinging to a no-longer attainable ideal of a manufacturing-based economy, but frankly, they lack the resources to dramatically shift course to become a destination for new economy jobs. They have for a long time. There are some success stories (Pittsburgh's remarkable transition from steel town to medical and technology town) but those tend to be concentrated in higher population density areas.
Trump is a pussy who let other people tell him what to say. His first response was sufficient, but he was browbeaten into mouthing other people's words. He's either a coward or he's unprincipled. The vast majority of the violence at the rally was instigated by and perpetrated by Anti-First-Amendment thugs. The only incident that we know of that was caused by the other side was the car crash, and we know that Fields' car was attacked moments before it. We don't even know why he did it, or if he did it intentionally.
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