July 29, 2018

"The internet has always been lawless, but the chaos of the Trump era has worsened online nastiness to the point where even I, a verifiably snarky internet writer..."

"... have grown sick of it all. Desperate for an antidote, I started dabbling in wholesome activities: bicycling, crossword puzzles, baking and writing in my journal. 'Oh no! You’re becoming a hippie,' my mother said after I informed her of my new hobbies. In these efforts to self-soothe, I made a life-changing discovery: Making sourdough bread is the opposite of using the internet...."

From a NYT essay by Eve Peyser, "I Wanted a Dog. I Bake Bread Instead." The headline highlights the dog/bread alternatives as opposed to the escape-from-the-internet theme. I'm guessing that's because dog gets hits... on the internet.

Anyway, I'm blogging this because of the mother's concept of "hippie" and the idea that it could include crossword puzzles. But I like the idea of the younger generation rediscovering the hippie lifestyle, especially if it's envisioned in positive ways — with "wholesome activities."

Also, this article fit with something else I was just reading, "In a divided U.S., therapists treating anxiety are hearing the same name over and over: Donald Trump/'Trump Anxiety Disorder' may not be an official diagnosis, but therapists know the symptoms" (Politico), which chimed with something I'd already blogged this morning, Trump himself using the term Trump derangement syndrome.

Isn't it interesting that therapists are seeing the reaction to Trump as a disorder?! And that Politico framed it that way.

Maybe mainstream media is noticing a lot of people who feel the way I do, that the antagonism to Trump is so over-the-top that it's weirder than Trump. We turn away... and toward the man we originally resisted because he was too weird.

I tried to find a picture of a hippie doing a crossword puzzle, but my search had the serendipitous effect of turning up this New Yorker humor piece from last February: "Former Hippies Put in Horrible Position of Rooting for F.B.I." ("'I always dreamed I’d spend my retirement surrounded by my grandchildren, telling them that the F.B.I. were fascist pigs,' Carol Foyler, a former hippie who lives in Santa Cruz, said. 'That dream has been shot to hell.'").

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Phil 314 said...

Clearly the cure for Trump Anxiety Disorder is to sit in a quiet room, in a comfortable position, with your eyes closed and repeat softly “Obama, Obama, Obama...”.

Your anxiety will slowly dissipate.

funsize said...

some of this "younger generation" never had to rediscover hippie activities because we've done them all along. But congrats to my peers for apparently remembering they can turn it off and go outside.

rhhardin said...

The internet isn't the problem. Leftism works on the internet.

Roughcoat said...

Girl/Beta Male journalism at its ... most typical.

Feelings, nothing more than feelings . . .

Eleanor said...

I find it smile-worthy that pursuits like baking your own bread, having a garden, enjoying the company of animals are considered "hippie". For those of us who came of age in the late 60s and the 70s in rural areas, those things were just how we lived everyday. It was a very conservative environment and not counter-culture in any way. "Hippies" were city folk living in places like Haight-Ashbury, dressing like old-time prairie folks, avoiding work, doing drugs, and singing. A lot of singing. Buying sliced Wonder Bread was counter-culture for us. In all of my memories of that time in my life, I never picture a hippie kneading dough.

Anonymous said...

From a NYT essay by Eve Peyser, "I Wanted a Dog. I Bake Bread Instead."

The "women's pages" have taken over the entire newspaper. Even the sports section.

Pookie Number 2 said...

the antagonism to Trump is so over-the-top that it's weirder than Trump.

Weirder, more dishonest, more full of hate. His own enormous flaws are so overshadowed by his critics’.

This period will eventually be a gold mine for sociologists.

mccullough said...

The same people who swooned over Obama get Triggered by Trump.

The disorder was evident in swooning over Obama (or any politician or celebrity). It’s why so many in the media are fucking loons. It was a total embarrassment in 2008 the way they praised Obama. Guy was a lightweight like W. Affirmative Action Obama and Ivy League Legacy W. Obama seemed Fresh and after W no one gave a shit about a lightweight president. It would be rather racist to believe that Lightweight Legacy is OK but Lifhtweight Affirmative Actuon is bad. Obama is smarter than W. He didn’t start a war in Iraq so he wasn’t as dumb as W. And there is something to be said for a guy who can bulkshit his way to the top like Obama (or Clinton, Nixon, Reagan) vs a silver spoon foot like W, JFK, and FDR who would be nobody without the family connections. But Obama was always a lightweight. He had good instincts as far as bulls hitting people but it’s not hard to bullshit Ivy League professors and the legal industry. Professors and lawyers and judges are gullible for the most part. Insecure and so desperate for praise.

Trump is the antidote for these people. But the antidote doesn’t work on most people. A decent upbrining was the vaccine. But most of these people had shittty parents like W and Obama.

bagoh20 said...

But Hippies are too white.

Bay Area Guy said...

Chaos!

Hippies!

gilbar said...

Making sourdough bread is the opposite of using the internet...."
any bets on Where she found her sourdough bread recipe?

Sal said...

"I always dreamed I’d spend my retirement surrounded by my grandchildren, telling them that the F.B.I. were fascist pigs"

That took five seconds. What's next on the agenda, world's most boring grandma?

Edmund said...

On the internet, nobody knows you are a dog.

John henry said...

I wonder if she is Andrea Peyser's daughter.

I used to read the NY Post just for her columns.

John Henry

chuck said...

"Turn it off, tune it out, do the crossword" -- Timothy Leary's ghost.

Derek Kite said...

One of my reasons to think Trump would be a great president is that he would force people to do things that are important on a civilization preservation level. I would have guessed that it would entail legislators legislating, journalists doing journalism, judges doing proper judging, etc.

That hasn't been the case. The sane one is Trump.

No, Washington - New York are not the center of the universe. A working meritocracy involves knocking over quite a few hierarchies as they become blitheringly stupid.

The best of times and the worst of times. Depends where you live and what circles you run in.

Professional lady said...

I agree, this is the flip side of Obama adoration. To me, Obama is just a person and Trump is just a person. I don't have to adore Trump although I voted for him and I don't have to hate Obama although I didn't vote for him. Makes life a whole lot calmer.

stevew said...

If the definition of disorder includes an irrational fear, distrust, and hatred of something, then I'd say TDS is a disorder. As I've mentioned before, I abandoned Twitter and FB about 18 months ago. My life is very much better for having done so. Over the past few years I have been increasing my time investment in hobbies such as woodworking (including basic carpentry, home repair, cabinet work, and turning), bicycling, and other manual & physical activities that require thinking and planning. I don't characterize these as hippie activities. I'm too young at 61 to be a hippie anyway, which is good because I never much liked the hippies I met.

-sw

D 2 said...

If we are going to have breadmakers write NYT opinion pieces, why not ask someone who works at a large bread factory who makes 1000s of loaves at a time on the line?
Would there be the same level of obsession, if you had, you know, a real bread making job along with the writer gig?
For all I know, maybe Mr/Ms Breadmaker at the Factory would rather see the news focus on City Hall priorities on a new overpass or busline.

Sebastian said...

"I started dabbling in wholesome activities" Lemme guess: no kids?

n.n said...

Perhaps the problem is a vitamin D deficiency. The virtual world, with rare exceptions, cannot be sustained without supplements. Also, the dog is not walked, the garden remains untended, and children are unviable in an environmentally-friendly electric haze.

Professional lady said...

I still do Facebook because I like the baby pictures. Everyone who does political posts has been unfollowed.

Wince said...

These are the people displaced by the antireligious ferver on the left. Without the stigma the left places on religion as a moral and ethical base, these people are tradional cohort that would seek solace in religious spirituality. But religious values and Trump are shunned by the dominant ideology.

Once again, Althouse needs a “Trump is like Jesus” tag.

Bay Area Guy said...

Santa Cruz has one good thing - the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. I still enjoy taking my teenage kids and their friends there for sun and fun.

Aside from the Boardwalk, though, Santa Cruz has a lot of aging hippies. It's kinda pathetic.

mccullough said...

This lass should ditch her provincial life in New York City and move somewhere else and open a bakery. Living in New York as a Writer is a cliche (Asia quoting your mom in articles). She needs to get out of her head. Her thinking is smothering her. She could be an interesting person someday when she lays down the sword

Michael K said...

What we are hearing and seeing are the death throes of the dying animal that is the "Establishment" and 50 years of settled "Wisdom" about how things work. It was about time.

I prefer Rye Bread.

mccullough said...

Santa Cruz has a lot of middle aged White Junkies. Hippies are in their 70s and 80s. Junior Varsity Beats and the Bears are almost all dead. The hippies didn’t want to fight in Vietnam, which makes sense. But most of them were very selfish. They are the Me Generation Boomers. I like talking with Vietnam Vets. I don’t like talking with Hipoies. They are boring.

Fernandinande said...

"The American Psychological Association has recorded a rise in anxiety in the Trump era, with a five per cent increase (52 to 57 per cent) in politically induced stress levels over a six-month period before, during and after the 2016 election."

A five-percent increase in trivial "politically induced stress", which of course isn't a serious stressor like money problems, crazy children or divorce.

My diagnosis: fake news.

Fake but not surprising since cbc.ca says that advising caution is an explosive threat:

Trump fires off explosive threat to Iran's leader: 'BE CAUTIOUS!'

Etienne said...
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Temujin said...

I was in New York the week after the 2016 election. It was like walking onto the set of the Walking Dead. The look in the eyes of the people there was a palpable fear mixed with an inability to get their mind around reality. Blank, yet gloomy. I met with a friend, an esteemed doctor, who views the world in the same way as the famous New Yorker cover (New Yorker). She was not herself. She told me that her colleagues are all pretty much in a fetal position. She was clearly thrown off her center. That was then. Since then I've read articles, essays, and heard anecdotally, that reams of New Yorkers are keeping the psychology industry thriving.

These are the same people creating the news coverage of everything in today's world. This is their world view, in crisis. The rest of us are seeing a President use actual tough negotiating skills on the rest of the world's leaders, and...it's working. I see North Korea being worked on, my New York friends see nothing. I see the EU coming to grips with it's own tariffs, my New York friends see chaos. I see 4.1% GDP growth in the 2nd quarter as outstanding. My New York friends make an additional appointment with their shrink. I cringe when I read Trumps tweets. The rest of the world cringes when it reads Trumps tweets (hey- we DO have something we all agree on!). Eve Peyser is just another New Yorker. (I don't recall when we decided that black glasses-wearing young New Yorkers would the ones to tell us about the world). Can't get her mind around it. She should continue to bake. It is good therapy. I did a lot of it during Obama's years.

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traditionalguy said...

Methinks Deplorables are hated and seeing their leader winning has caused fear and depression

Wince said...

'I always dreamed I’d spend my retirement surrounded by my grandchildren, telling them that the F.B.I. were fascist pigs,' Carol Foyler, a former hippie who lives in Santa Cruz, said. 'That dream has been shot to hell.'"

Maybe you’ve become a fascist pig?

Fearing not that I'd become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
My pathway led by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I [should be] younger than that now

n.n said...

Fascists pigs are no longer on the menu. However, they're still the other white meat. How do you diversify a whole species?

Yancey Ward said...

Trump is doubly blessed by both his enemies and their lack of intellectual firepower.

Yancey Ward said...

Perhaps she should consider moving to New Hampshire and wiping old people's asses.....oh, wait, she sounds like she is white. Nevermind.

Fernandinande said...

Temujin said...
She was not herself. She told me that her colleagues are all pretty much in a fetal position. She was clearly thrown off her center.


None of those terms actually mean anything, and a histrionic woman does not define a trend.

Since then I've read articles, essays, and heard anecdotally, that reams of New Yorkers are keeping the psychology industry thriving.

Do tell. The anecdote-based article in question doesn't mention any such thing, and I think it's just the same old neurotic people going to shrinks and the MSM has prompted them to whine about something new, or else They would actually come out and say otherwise: "My calls are up 50% and I have so many new people freaked out about Trump that I can't make appointments for them all!"

Tyrone Slothrop said...

It's really not a surprise that people who hate Trump are susceptible to nervous disorders, nor is it a surprise they would seek therapy. These same people think the government should be taking care of their every want and need, and heaven forbid that they should pay for it. They're just not constituted to take care of themselves or confront their own problems.

Sebastian said...

"chaos of the Trump era"

I should know better than to take mentally challenged prog scribblers seriously, but really: in what sense is the Trump era more "chaotic"?

After all, prog TDS and MSM 24/7 outrage are boringly predictable. Day after day, the Mueller witch hunt continues, the economy hums along, the Europeans cave, our defense grows stronger, Dems scream louder, the Deep State resists transparency, and GOPe turncoats show their true colors, all in a definite pattern, nothing chaotic about it.

Sure, Trump himself can unpredictable--if he doesn't know what he's gonna say next, who am I to say?--but his basic policies are quite conservative, and if we judge moves not as isolated maneuvers but temporary steps, we might even see a sorta-kinda method in his madness.

Dad29 said...

That derangement includes umpty-million charges that 'Trump is a fascist'. No specific examples are provided, of course. This is in contrast to Obama's extremely active weaponization of the IRS, the AG's office, and the Intel outfits to force compliance with utter absurdities such as "there's no such thing as sex" bathrooms.

Narayanan said...

I would suggest chanting ...
Oum-baum-maum is double effect.

Henry said...

Gardening is also an antidote to anxiety, I think. And some gardeners are hippies.

Jimmy said...

My nephew is a therapist in NYC. Before that, he was in Santa Monica Ca. Business is booming for him and other therapists. Trump did say he would help create jobs.

Beth B said...

Ah, remember the good ol' days when Obama Anxiety Disorder was simply classified as racism?

cubanbob said...

Also, this article fit with something else I was just reading, "In a divided U.S., therapists treating anxiety are hearing the same name over and over: Donald Trump/'Trump Anxiety Disorder' may not be an official diagnosis, but therapists know the symptoms" (Politico), which chimed with something I'd already blogged this morning, Trump himself using the term Trump derangement syndrome."

I want to laugh at these people but laughing at the pathetic is in bad taste. Who knew there were so many crazies in the country?

Chuck said...

mccullough said...
The same people who swooned over Obama get Triggered by Trump.


Does it work the same way in reverse? Are the people who are now swooning over Trump the people who were deranged with hatred of Obama?

With some qualification, I think so.

There has been the special "deranged" group -- Donald Trump himself, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Alex Jones -- whose hatred of Obama pushed them into derangement territory. They variously dabbled in laughable conspiracy theories about Birtherism, pizza parlor pedophilia, the "assassination" of Seth Rich (much like the "assassination" of Vince Foster), et cetera.

But of course there were always conservatives and Republicans who opposed Obama, and who have never "swooned" over Trump. No "derangement" in opposition to Obama, no "swooning" for Trump. And now, as anti-Trump Republicans, no "derangement" in opposition to Trump.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

"Chaos of the Trump Era". Yeah, it's Trump's fault, not the deranged democrat party members attacking, assaulting, rioting, lying, inciting, destroying, shooting, stabbing, incinerating, assassinating, and screaming at the sky.

Big Mike said...

Maybe mainstream media is noticing a lot of people who feel the way I do, that the antagonism to Trump is so over-the-top that it's weirder than Trump.

What the mainstream media refuse to notice is that they totally sacrificed their credibility during the Era of Obama, so now it doesn’t matter how much they scream and shout and jump up and down and rant, no one much cares anymore. They can drive the true believers nuts — make that further nuts than they already were — but the sane people among us tune them out. Charlottesville and Helsinki were alike in one critical way: no matter what Trump said the media were going to get hysterical. When one already knows that the Sunday morning talking heads are going to go berserk, one can change the channel.

Anonymous said...

Chuck: With some qualification, I think so.

Nobody suffering from *DS (e.g., you) has any qualification to offer diagnoses of the condition.

(Btw, that's a play on words, Chuck. But feel free to sperg-out on explaining that you meant *that* kind of qualification, not *that* kind.)

Fernandinande said...

"[not using the internet] is the opposite of using the internet...."

To each his own - STRESS MANAGEMENT METHODS ACROSS[sic] GENDERS[sic]
#1: Exercise
#2: Going Online
#3: Watching TV
(Hmmm - no mention at all of therapists, etc, for stress management).

"I should know better than to take mentally challenged prog scribblers seriously, but really: in what sense is the Trump era more "chaotic"?

Obviously it's not, nothing terrible is happening and some good things are happening, it's just a normal reaction to the constant lies and misrepresentations from the MSM, e.g. people react to (mostly fake) news about crime but not in response to actual crime rates.

"Despite myriad stressors, in August survey, four in 10 Americans (41 percent) say that they are doing significantly or somewhat better at managing their stress compared to 10 years ago, with a nearly equal proportion (39 percent) reporting that their ability to manage stress has stayed the same."

So 40% of people feel less need for a therapist, 40% the same, and perhaps 20% more need.

"Women and men report similar, but slightly lower average stress levels than last year, but there remains a gender gap, with..."

Lower stress levels than last year is NOT WORTHY OF HEADLINES.

chuck said...

"... Carol Foyler, a former hippie who lives in Santa Cruz, said. 'That dream has been shot to hell.'"

Regimes may change, but the secret police and intelligence agencies are forever. Heck, the East Germans retained plenty of Nazis even after the Communists came to power.

Seeing Red said...

Crossword puzzles are things hippies do?

Or is that slang for old?

My grandmother did crosswords puzzles. She was no hippy. She was old.

Michael K said...

And now, as anti-Trump Republicans, no "derangement" in opposition to Trump.

But they do have one talent. They lose elections gracefully.

Almost gleefully.

buwaya said...

"no kids?"

The primary problem in a nutshell. No purpose in life, much else fails.

"There has been the special "deranged" group"

On that side, you are not deranged enough. Not even close. You are getting further and further into a civilizational collapse, and the necessary reaction is still pathetically weak. Trump, Limbaugh, et al are just welcome elements of friction in the slide to destruction, or marginal pointers to the necessary revolution, not yet in sight.

"Anti-Trump Republicans" - myopic fools who can, at best, see a single leaf in the forest.

Drago said...

Michael Fitzgerald: "Chaos of the Trump Era". Yeah, it's Trump's fault, not the deranged democrat party members attacking, assaulting, rioting, lying, inciting, destroying, shooting, stabbing,
incinerating, assassinating, and screaming at the sky."

Notice how casually LLR Chuck slides away from the reality of his lefty allies actual actions and then draws hilariously false equivalences with non-existent supposed conservative transgressions.

This is an easily recognized calling card of a self-described Smear Merchant (admitted in a weak moment of his of which there are many) whose operational purpose is to advance democrat narratives.

And anyone who called obama "magnificent" for any reason was certainly one of those people whose judgement is called into question forever. Similarly, calling Rachel Maddow "brilliant" further illustrates the Smear Merchants intellectual incapacitation.

Seeing Red said...

All that money down the drain when all they had to do was to pay attention to and get on with their lives. Nod politely smile and roll their eyes and tune out politics.

langford peel said...

What a bunch of whining faggots.

If this Bint is the spawn of Andrea Peyser than that explains it.

What a crock of bullshit.

Drago said...

Michael k: "But they do have one talent. They lose elections gracefully.
Almost gleefully."

Indeed, almost as if there were an "understanding" between them.

Francisco D said...

" ... the chaos of the Trump era ..."

... is completely manufactured by the legacy media which focuses on their chosen narratives rather than actual news.

If it was not previously obvious to open minded people, it should be clear that they are the propaganda arm of the DNC.

Seeing Red said...

Temujin said...
She was not herself. She told me that her colleagues are all pretty much in a fetal position. She was clearly thrown off her center.

None of those terms actually mean anything, and a histrionic woman does not define a trend.



Reason 50,955 why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

William said...

I try to avoid cable news. They actively try to make you angry and outraged about something. I find Congressional hearings on CSpan surprisingly comforting and reassuring. The Congressmen and the people they're questioning are well spoken and sedate. There are, of course, some exceptions and some contentious hearings, but everyone seems far less pissed off and there's a lulling boredom to the proceeedings.......Amazon Prime also offers an excellent escape from the sturm and drang of our moment. There's an endless supply of BBC adaptations of Dickens' and Austen novels available. They were made back in the eighties and nineties and the political correctness is muted.

Drago said...

I see now that Max Boot, LLR and True Conservative Extraordinaire, has officially linked up with Rob Reiner because...of course he did.

Trump MADE him do it...just as Trump MADE LLR Chuck post racist things and go after children because...of course he did!

The LLR lunatic bin is an interesting subset of these looned out lefties who cant cope and for all of them, only MORE COWBELL of the destruction of our constitution on the path to a ginned up impeachment and permanent restoration of power to the dems can cure their affliction.

Seeing Red said...

One of my reasons to think Trump would be a great president is that he would force people to do things that are important on a civilization preservation level. I would have guessed that it would entail legislators legislating, journalists doing journalism, judges doing proper judging, etc.


What did Michelle Obama say Barack would do as president?

He get us out of our comfort zone?

Lololololol and the lefty torpedoes circle back on themselves.


I’m working on Trump is chaos meme.

No Trump is life. Life isn’t orderly and smooth sailing.

Tank said...

These people are not adults.

Bruce Hayden said...

"They variously dabbled in laughable conspiracy theories about Birtherism, pizza parlor pedophilia, the "assassination" of Seth Rich (much like the "assassination" of Vince Foster), et cetera."

But we still haven't seen his real birth certificate. The one that they provided may have been accurate, but wouldn't qualify as an original birth certificate. Nor have we see his country liege transcripts, etc. I don't think it the least bit paranoid to wonder whether something is being intentionally hidden from the American people. So, no surprise that photos purportedly of Obama sitting with a boyfriend, of his purported real father, etc are normal fare for part of the country.

As for Seth Rich - we still don't really know why he died or why the DC police were so incurious about it. But we pretty much know by now that the Russians weren't the ones hacking the DNC and putting the results on Wikileaks. It almost assuredly was an inside job, given the testimony of Julian Assange, and the transfer times. I think that it is highly likely that this was reason that the Dems refused to let the FBI look at their email server. They were pretty obviously hiding something. Could Rich have been the one to download the server data and given it to Wikileaks? I think significantly more likely than that it was the Ruskies. Of course, it could have been another one of the disillusioned Bernie Bros DNC staffers. But it almost assuredly wasn't the Russians.

Finally, the alleged pedophilia. The sex scandal that is breaking right now, with more and more arrests, is no weirder than the idea of a pizza joint run as a front for a pedophilia ring. We have a cult with a lot of BDSM, etc, and more arrests last week, including a very rich booze heiress. Bill Clinton, of course, was a frequent visitor to Jeffry Epstein's Pedophile Island - and, yes, I know people with enough wealth that they can afford junkets out of this country to have sex with underaged adolescent girls. It appears that much of the world is more than willing to take our money to allow our rich men to deflower their virgins. Was more going on at that Pizza joint. Who knows. I do know though that the rich and powerful are more likely to be what most of us consider perverts - because they can get away with it.

I consider myself a healthy skeptic. I question both the ones obsessing about these things, and those who deny them as being impossible.

Two-eyed Jack said...

The NYT I interactive map of Trump/Clinton voting by neighborhood is worth meditating on. Where I live Trump voters are at just under 30%, but in Manhattan, where my son lives, they are about 6%. I feel social constraints in my 30% support world. I see and hear opposition to Trump, but no support. No signs. No public statements taking his side. In Manhattan world I doubt anyone can imagine living amicably with Trump supporters. It must be like the Romans waiting for Odoaker to arrive.

Shouting Thomas said...

When will the hetero orgies return?

Seeing Red said...

She should continue to bake. It is good therapy. I did a lot of it during Obama's years.


We started a gourmet group.

We made Chinese Moon Cakes for dessert and they turned out! Our cooking confidence has improved.

Trump skills there, too. Is your cooking/life in a rut?

Sometimes making a change is Trump/chaos.

They don’t feel in control because they didn’t make the change.

M Jordan said...

Hippies weren’t puzzlers. Not a whit. They were social dropouts, free-lovers, druggies, and back-to-the-landers. But crossword puzzlers? Give me a break.

Rae said...

I'm trying to coin a term for "encouraging neurotics as a deliberate political strategy".

Otto said...

"But I like the idea of the younger generation rediscovering the hippie lifestyle"
Bad advice!
Do you want some poor little girl with a baby in one hand and a law book in the other worrying about passing the bar at the ripe old age of 30 and resenting it later in life.
Guaranteed you wouldn't give that advice to your grandchildren.

M Jordan said...

Upvotes for mccullough’s And Bruce Hayden’s comments above.

Saint Croix said...

'I always dreamed I’d spend my retirement surrounded by my grandchildren, telling them that the F.B.I. were fascist pigs,' Carol Foyler, a former hippie who lives in Santa Cruz, said. 'That dream has been shot to hell.'"

Maybe your dream is right and you are wrong!

mezzrow said...

Just because hippies do it, baking bread is not a bad thing. It teaches patience and rewards same. I'm thinking Althouse probably can't smell baking bread, and that makes me sad. It is truly a God loves us and wants us to be happy moment, much like with its soupier cousin, beer.

walter said...

Michael K said...And now, as anti-Trump Republicans, no "derangement" in opposition to Trump.
But they do have one talent. They lose elections gracefully.
--
Lose? Hell..just hand it over a la George Will.

Comanche Voter said...

It's not just on the Internet. Today's LA Times had an opinion piece by one of their favorite hair on fire Trump derrangees. The 2016 election is "suspect" said Ms. Virginia Heffernan because Trump won "on an Electoral College technicality".

Ms Heffernan does not understand

(A) that but for Hillary's 4 million vote bulge in California, Trump won the majority of votes cast;

and

(B) the country has been playing Electoral College "chess" by the "chess" rules for a couple of hundred years now. Hillary (and Ms. Heffernan) think that the rules of the children's card game "Fish" should cover the situation. Well that's not the way the game is played.

Heffernan goes on--but repeating Heffernan carries the real danger of making one stupid, so I'll stop.

langford peel said...

The murder of Seth Rich that was ruled a robbery when nothing was taken is a nutjob conspiracy.

The active abuse of young children by politicians and Hollywood figures involved in Cosmic Pizza is an Alex Jones Hoax regardless of how many abusers like that Nickelodeon producer and the Podesta pervert are involved. It's not as though rampant sex abuse of minors has been proven to take place in Hollywood. Nothing to see here.

But that Russian Collusion! Everybody knows Trump is in the pocket of Putin! He arms the Ukrainians! Big Deal! Increases our oil production to cut Russia's power as we step in to sell oil to Europe to lessen their dependence and financing of Russia! That's nothing. All of the many things Trump has done that negatively impacts the Russians? Just a bag of shells. We know he colluded. We know he gets his orders from the Kremlin. We know Russia controlled our election and changed the outcome. We know that Trump is a traitor.

Just ask Chuck or Inga or any other zombie infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome. They are evil little zombies.

Who knew that the Chuckie movies would be so prescient?

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Pookie Number 2 said...

And now, as anti-Trump Republicans, no "derangement" in opposition to Trump.

Well, none other than an obsessive need to criticize him multiple times a day, and an admiitted desire to lie about him.

There’s a reason you can't spell Schmuck without Chuck.

FullMoon said...

BTW, Trump immediately granted California's request for forest fire disaster relief.

Had to convert a few voters.

Naturally, Jerry Brown will get most of the credit , for asking.

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Jim at said...

In order to return to some semblance of power, all the left had to do was not go insane.

They couldn't even do that.

glenn said...

Lotta people who have real stress in their lives bake bread. It’s an excellent allegory of life. If you do it right you eat good bread. And the rules aren’t subject to “interpretation”.

Jim at said...

I don't have to adore Trump although I voted for him and I don't have to hate Obama although I didn't vote for him.

The difference is, Obama hated you. He made no secret of it.

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

Every time we think we have reached peak TDS, somone comes along to say "Hold my beer and watch this!

This time it is Judge Napolitano. No, he does not suffer but he pointed out something interesting in a clip I heard the other day.

remember Vince Foster? Remember all the questions about whether it was suicide or murder? Remember all the conspiracy theories?

Remember who was the lead investigator who ruled suicide? And, who some claimed did a cover up of murder by the HAG?

None other than Supreme Court Justice (nominee) Brett Kavanaugh.

Forget about whether or not Vince Foster was murdered. I'm not interested in discussing it at this point. As a wise woman once said "What difference does it make?"

Judge Nap's point was that if the Dems oppose Kavanaugh, someone will be sure to remind the public of this as a way to tank the nomination. If nobody does, President Trump either directly or indirectly will be sure to remind us. Perhaps with a nuclear tipped Tweet saying "Judge Kavanaugh is a fine justice. He did a completely honest investigation of the Vince Foster death. It is sad that people are talking about this. #SupportKavanaugh"

Do the Demmies really want Vince Foster brought back into public discourse a month or two before the election?

Here's two more scenarios I can see:

1) The Dems, not wanting Vince Foster and all that baggage brought up, decide not to oppose Kavanaugh. This alienates a large part of their base. It also gives juice to upstarts like AOC. President Trump tells us "We dodged a bullet there. We may not be so lucky next time. Vote in more Repos.

2) The Dems vigorously oppose Judge K. President Trump goes on the warpath doing rallies and such on the theme of this opposition is why Republicans need to turn out and elect more republican Senators and Congresspeople.

2a) if they somehow do manage to stop Judge K, It will infuriate Repos and cause them to tun out massively.

President Trump is no politician according to informed LLRs and Demmies so this is probably all just wild speculation.

John Henry

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

We need more government controlled speech.

End Citizens Untied!!!!!!!!!!! Citizens should never be allowed to unite to criticize Hillary.

Jim at said...

And now, as anti-Trump Republicans, no "derangement" in opposition to Trump. - Chuck

And the most deranged NeverTrumper chimes in to claim, well, he's not deranged. Who are we to believe? Him or our own lying eyes?

If you ever found some self-awareness, you'd be a much better contributor on this blog.

I'm not holding my breath.

0_0 said...

Hippies were Haight Ashbury druggies who didn't take care of themselves. I think most of their "good" qualities were in the perceptions of observers, and later became self-fulfilling.

>William said... I try to avoid cable news. They actively try to make you angry and outraged about something.

The news is entertainment now. They are not interested in investigating, but they will run wall-to-wall 24/7 coverage of any emotional content. Advertising dollars is what ownership wants.

BJM said...

We live in stupid times.

Jason said...

Prince Pecan Pie-gate accusing normal people of derangement = lulz.

buwaya said...

These are stupid times, but not that stupid.

The fundamental conflicts that feed some of the stupidity are real and, in the context of history, entirely normal expressions of human nature.
Essentially, you have an irrevocably split culture.
You are not Americans anymore, but Americans A and Americans B, and probably C and D.

Its like the European Reformation, where it was once Christendom from Estonia to Portugal, in 1520, and a few decades later, no longer.

Some things that seem stupid are just predictable phenomena from the current context that cannot be reconciled with an older context. If one has not adjusted context, or is unable to comprehend an alien one, then these things make little sense.

Anxiety attacks by those susceptible could be rational, if one understands that they are born out of a reasonable understanding that the immense power of the state are now in the hands of an enemy people, the hated other tribe. It takes a while for such understandings to make it into open discourse, and we are not quite there yet, though I see it breaking through in spots.

Since we are talking about cultures we are talking about different cultural traits and different inculcated personality types. Where some peoples deal with anxiety by going to psychiatrists others purchase AR-15s.

Leland said...

I'm old enough to remember when they claimed it was "Bush Anxiety Disorder". Alas, all it does is convince me that being a Democrat likely means you have a mental disorder.

Rick said...

("'I always dreamed I’d spend my retirement surrounded by my grandchildren, telling them that the F.B.I. were fascist pigs,' Carol Foyler, a former hippie who lives in Santa Cruz, said

It's interesting she acts as though rejecting reality in favor of her political narrative is the only possible choice even as she acknowledges her new position contradicts her entire belief system.

readering said...

I read Democratic Derangement Syndrome (and the related Left Derangement Syndrome) in the comments on this site most every day.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

Leftists have always been at war with the FBI.

readering said...

And what is more deranged than threatening to shut down the federal government if Congress fails to send for signature the immigration/wall legislation POTUS prefers?

buwaya said...

The Santa Cruz hippy is not rejecting reality as much as acknowleging reality. Belatedly, but in doing so treading the worn path of so many other hippies.
They won the culture war, the FBI and the rest of the system, "the man", is no longer the enforcer of cultural norms of the enemy culture, but their own cultures weapon.

Any remaining hippies are such because they are in love with their self-image, not whatever ideals they pretended to.

That person from Santa Cruz is more realistic than any who claim that the FBI is "Republican".

buwaya said...

IIRC the Obama administration implemented one government shutdown in 2013 and threatened others at other times, over its own policy desiderata.

Why is Trump deranged, and Obama not?

These are, by this time, normal political maneuvers. When Obama did it it was novel. The refusal of context and perspective is a dreadful personal defect, readering.

Rabel said...

I can't get around the fact that Ms Peyser doesn't, apparently, own a cat.

In time, she will. Several.

buwaya said...

A comment, recently, and I don't recall by who, was on the speed and fundamental nature of your American cultural split.

It was about the cultural gulf today vs that at the time of the US Civil War.
Both sides then agreed about vastly more than what divided them. They both were (largely) devoutly Christian, of overlapping denominations, were steeped in the same intellectual milieu, were similarly educated, and even their political ideals overlapped, except in the subset of critical matters where they didn't.

Today absolutely none of that is true. US culture disagrees about even biological facts. It is getting close to a mutual rejection of humanity.

Ken Burns "Civil War" series of 1990 could not be made today, given its reliance on Shelby Foote, and its acknowledgement of those mutual shared characteristics of the combatants. A PBS "Civil War" today would be extremely different. The America of 1990 was much closer to that of 1865 than 1990 was to 2018. The speed of the divergence is disorienting.

readering said...

2014 was about Cruz led Republican attempt to define Obamacare.

readering said...

Calling disagreement a dreadful personal defect? There's got to be a word for that.

buwaya said...

Its not disagreement, it is simply a deliberate factual omission, a lack of diligence possibly, but more likely a lack of integrity. That is the charge I make against you readering.

Mountain Maven said...

I can't stand hippies, the stupid on purpose sanctimonious simple lifestyle posers with crap jobs who are always hitting up mom for money.

gadfly said...

Althouse wrote:

I like the idea of the younger generation rediscovering the hippie lifestyle, especially if it's envisioned in positive ways — with "wholesome activities."

Wait ... "wholesome activities" like bombing and killing. by the likes of the Students for a Democratic Society and Bill Ayres and the Weathermen. Reality showed up close to home at UW-Madison when Sterling Hall was bombed in 1970. In 2010, Althouse remembered and reader Michael Haz had his personal experience with the hippie movement published in this blog.

Michael Haz summarized:

Standing near a fire truck so I could hear its radio I heard a fireman report finding one body in Sterling Hall. Stunned, I stood for a few more minutes than walked back to my apartment.

Two days later I cut my shoulder length hair and notified my landlord that I wouldn't remain as a tenant for the fall term.

I was done with UW and Madison, except for completing my studies. I rented and apartment west of Middleton and commuted, spending as little time on campus as possible. I didn't attend my graduation.

The anti-war movement was a sham; a cover for violent anarchists. It wasn't actually anti-war; it was mostly anti-draft, and nothing more. It was over-indulged white males who didn't want to be conscripted. It would never have happened if there hadn't been a draft.

I don't have a romantic version of the late 60s in my head. I lived through it, it was horrible. Sure, the music was good, the weed was abundant, "liberated" coeds eschewed underwear, and contraceptive sex had no risk. It was still an awful time.

readering said...

you

FrankiM said...

Wonder why very few liberals and or Democrats comment here anymore? The Trump worship is so over the top that one feels creeped out after about 30 seconds.

buwaya said...

The tendency to be "creeped out" is a cultural trait.

It is a curious thing. Something that has also changed very quickly.
At one time there was virtue in entering a den of ones enemies, and glory in holding ones own regardless. A Daniel in the lions den, or Samson in the Temple.

Or, perhaps more apt, of coming arrayed and well-horsed, and challenging all comers at some medieval lists, to honorable combat.

But it is no longer so.

rhhardin said...

Sulzberger, who succeeded his father as publisher on Jan. 1, said his main purpose for accepting the meeting was to “raise concerns about the president’s deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric.”

“I told the president directly that I thought that his language was not just divisive but increasingly dangerous,” he said.


Jean Shepard characterized predecessor C.L. Sulzberger's prose as like the ruins of Pompeii. That was back when the pose worked.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I can assure you that the Internet was just as nasty back when most communication was done via usenet over 9600 baud modems. I haven't seen the phrase "flamewar" for awhile, but that was when it was first coined.

Tina Trent said...

Eve Peyser's anxiety should probably be more focused on the fact that she lacks the writerly talent of other high-maintenance idiot neurotics like Elizabeth Wurtzel, who can be forgiven a great deal of bad thinking because she gussies it up in such high wire prose style.

Without that, you're just another bulimic adderall addict with an unpublished memoir about how it takes you a week to get off the floor and eat a bagel.

For some reason, this article reminds me of the creepiest name ever for a nonprofit: EMILY'S LIST. It stands for "early money is like yeast" but in my experience the EMILY ladies are always the mean girls of politics, withering men and women in their wake. The opposite of nurturing anything, let alone bread-baking.

buwaya said...

I am from the Compuserve/Usenet days.
Flamewars are old, but those weren't debates.

Rick said...

Wonder why very few liberals and or Democrats comment here anymore?

This implies this is a loss.

Consider readering who is far from the most extreme. Yet her only contribution is trying to maintain left wing double standards like asserting government shutdowns by the right are deranged while those from the left are legitimate political expressions. The only left poster who has anything intelligent to say is Althouse. The rest are talking points regurgitators or outright trolls.

CWJ said...
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CWJ said...

Mrs.FM,

There is very little Trump worship as such in the comments on this blog site. Happiness that things are going favorably for the commenters, yes, worship essentially no.

That you see it as worship only demonstrates your Manichaean world view.

FullMoon said...

... his main purpose for accepting the meeting was to “raise concerns about the president’s deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric.”

“I told the president directly that I thought that his language was not just divisive but increasingly dangerous,” he said.


These fanatics would love for Trump to be assassinated. Then they will all say, "Not our fault, he brought it upon himself".

Dad29 said...

The Trump worship

"Worship"?

I'm sure you can point to specific examples of "worship of Trump" using the dictionary definition of 'worship.'

So post a few for us here!! That way we'll understand that you are not deranged.

Dad29 said...

the phrase "flamewar" for awhile

The Good Old Days. Free Republic, and all that!!

Seeing Red said...

Wonder why very few liberals and or Democrats comment here anymore? The Trump worship is so over the top that one feels creeped out after about 30 seconds.




Lolol


“Worship”


This is a secular blog.

Dad29 said...

those weren't debates.

Oh no? You should have seen the flame-war/debates about "free trade" (or the NAFTA, or MFN for China) discussions on Free Republic. Brutal. But also a learning experience for any participant.

Today, it's just "TRUMP RUSSIA FASCIST ELEVENTY!!"

readering said...

Just read today's POTUS tweets. Wow.

Rabel said...

I tried to find a picture of a hippie doing a crossword puzzle

wholelottasplainin said...


... his main purpose for accepting the meeting was to “raise concerns about the president’s deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric.”

“I told the president directly that I thought that his language was not just divisive but increasingly dangerous,” he said.

****************************

Funny. Just try walking through Harvard Square wearing a MAGA hat, and see how far you get before you're set upon by the mob. Multiply that by every city on the Commie Coast.

Just WHO is making things increasingly dangerous, and for WHOM?

CWJ said...

Mrs.FM. Another profile not available. Let myself get played. Sad.

Sebastian said...

"The Trump worship is so over the top"

Evidence? Or do your prefer the ad hominem smear?

Perhaps you are not a regular. The Dick Durbin Republican who comments here made a similar point a while ago. Which was refuted: many of the regular commenters are skeptics, leaning conservative of course, supportive of Trump when he does well, but by no means worshipful. Of course, most of us do despise his typical opponents. But serious lefties (Cook) get respect around here. We could use more.

wholelottasplainin said...

readering said...
And what is more deranged than threatening to shut down the federal government if Congress fails to send for signature the immigration/wall legislation POTUS prefers?

************************

Not "prefers", but what he ran on and got elected to do.

FIFY

walter said...

Blogger FullMoon said...
hese fanatics would love for Trump to be assassinated. Then they will all say, "Not our fault, he brought it upon himself".

https://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/maxine-waters

https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Steve%20Scalise

Chuck said...

CWJ said...
Mrs.FM,

There is very little Trump worship as such in the comments on this blog site. Happiness that things are going favorably for the commenters, yes, worship essentially no.

That you see it as worship only demonstrates your Manichaean world view.


This week, the quarterly GDP number came out. It was a good number; I said it was a good number. But when I pointed out that it was much the same as any one of the best 4 or 5 quarterly numbers in the Obama Administration, the Trump fans here became deranged in their hatred of me and their reactions.

Patiently explaining that I wasn't trying to sell anyone on Obama, and that I didn't vote for Obama was not enough. No matter how many times I say that I am not an Obama supporter, I am still accused of being one. No matter how many times I point out that it was on precisely one occasion that I said that exactly one Rachel Maddow interview was "brilliant" (it won the Emmy for best live news interview of the year), a deranged Althouse commenter like Drago keeps continutally coming back to claim that my general impression of Maddow is that she is "brilliant" (ergo, I am a leftist, is how that is supposed to go).

Look at an unhinged bigot like "langford peel." Look at the assholes among this commentariat who have attacked me, saying that no one should believe me when I say that I am a Republican who voted, albeit extremely reluctantly, for Trump. And the even more exteme assholes who, after my having remarked in legal threads that I am a lawyer, now claim that that cannot be true.

The Althouse comments pages are now filled with nasty, brutish bullies who will accept nothing less than complete support for Trump. And anyone who questions Trump is attacked personally and largely without limit.

There are other "derangement syndromes" out there, no doubt. On the Left and on the Right. But on these pages, the most obvious instances of derangement are on the part of the Trump fans.

CWJ said...

"...raise concerns about the president’s deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric.”

I love this stuff. Used to be that the saying was "don't pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel." Now the barrel buyers scream Mommy! Trump does nothing substantive and the whole press falls to the ground with soccer injuries. Simultaneously, repeatedly.

readering said...

Chuck about to bring the wrath of the sowing circle upon himself.

CWJ said...

Chuck,

When you actually have something to say germane to my comment, please post it. Otherwise, quoting me and then just complaining at length that people are mean to you is pathetic.

buwaya said...

The sowing circle?
I had a single, unfortunate episode with sowing grass seed.
I know my limits. Agriculture is in my blood, but strictly in a management role.

Bob Loblaw said...

Trump's superpower is to reveal latent mental illness.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Part of Trump's political genius is that he understands that, even more than they want power, White middle-class progs want to emote, to signal, to air their passion and have it seen by other members of the religion. To be more hysterical, more extreme than the next guy.
It doesn't matter to Trump if the Democrats take Congress in 2018. It'll make it that much easier to drive them over the cliff.

Rick said...

Chuck has apparently concluded the theme of the Althouse blog is Chuck.

How do people reach a physically mature age without understanding the first thing about social interactions?

Pookie Number 2 said...

I again observe that Chuck is a liar, which i confess is about as novel as suggesting - not just that the sun rises in the morning - but that there is a sun.

But in response to his latest whine, to wit: “The Althouse comments pages are now filled with nasty, brutish bullies who will accept nothing less than complete support for Trump. And anyone who questions Trump is attacked personally and largely without limit” I note that I have, in this very thread, observed that Trump has enormous flaws, and yet none of these alleged “nasty, brutish bullies” have attacked me “personally, and largely without limit”. Or at all.

Chuck is attacked personally because he’s dishonest, because he’s deranged, because he literally cannot stop himself from whining about Trump regardless of the actual topic at hand, because his comments add nothing to the discussion other than yet another unnecessary demonstration of his lack of character, and most of all, because he is uninteresting.

langford peel said...

I will have you know that I have two working hinges. Rusty yes but in working order.

tcrosse said...

At least Inga figured out how to Make It Stop.

buwaya said...

I wonder what Trump was talking to Sulzberger about. The timing is interesting, as much else, together, cannot be coincidental -

This is important, as there is a multi-front struggle going on. One is by, and through, the US MSM machine. It is indeed a machine, most of it in five media conglomerates, a few "Tech" conglomerates (Amazon, Alphabet/Google, Facebook, etc.), and just one major newspaper not otherwise affiliated, the NYT. Four at least of the conglomerates plus the NYT coordinate news and propaganda, and the "tech" outfits amplify it. As far as the vast majority of the public is concerned, between them these entities are all of the news.

The meeting with Sulzberger was Jul 20, Facebook got blasted by what seems like an insider-driven selloff Jul 26. Moonves of CBS was pinned down by a #metoo expose leaked Jul 26, published the next day, Sulzberger meeting leaked yesterday.

I suspect Trump and co. are making timed moves against the MSM ownership structure, which is where the coordinated propaganda system is directed.

Sulzbergers statement today seems like a deflection of criticism of having met Trump in the first place. Makes one wonder if Trump made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

This is too much to be a coincidence.

langford peel said...

Also I am not a bigot. Just a realist.

I am a typical American from 1955 living in 2018.

Of course feel free to call me a bigot, racist, sexist and climate change denier.

None of those words mean anything anymore.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck is very very very upset that his own words are used against him.

Leftists insist that history must begin anew each day in order to facilitate that days talking points and narratives.

It would appear that, once again, our LLR is on the exact same page as his lefty operational allies.

How....unexpected....

langford peel said...

Buwaya this is part of the sealed indictments that are about to come down.

Look at the power players that have bit the dust. Matt Laurer.. Charley Rose. Les Moonves. Weinstein. Podesta. More to come.

The sex scandals will be off the charts. The God Emperor is safe because he always paid. These are cheap bastards are gonna get hammered.

Seeing Red said...

The sowing circle?
I had a single, unfortunate episode with sowing grass seed.
I know my limits. Agriculture is in my blood, but strictly in a management role.


Sowing seeds?

Why? Didn’t some evil white person named Scott create turf?

tcrosse said...

I suspect Trump and co. are making timed moves against the MSM ownership structure, which is where the coordinated propaganda system is directed.

Trump has been around long enough to know these guys, how they operate, and where they are vulnerable. It sounded to me like Sulzberger was waving a white flag.

Seeing Red said...

Those idiots also cut Trumps Astro-Army. You might not be ready for Moonraker, but Moonraker’s coming for you.

buwaya said...

And Ronan Farrow is working for someone, obviously.
He is being helped, and fed info, and is serving as a "face" for a larger operation.
Who for?

And so too any number of "public" people in these wars, wars in the shadows.

We can only guess at what is going on.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Buwaya said: A comment, recently, and I don't recall by who, was on the speed and fundamental nature of your American cultural split.

It was about the cultural gulf today vs that at the time of the US Civil War.
Both sides then agreed about vastly more than what divided them. They both were (largely) devoutly Christian, of overlapping denominations, were steeped in the same intellectual milieu, were similarly educated, and even their political ideals overlapped, except in the subset of critical matters where they didn't.

Today absolutely none of that is true. US culture disagrees about even biological facts. It is getting close to a mutual rejection of humanity.


I too, saw that or a similar comment. This is an extremely important point to keep in mind as the gulf between the unhinged liberals and the rest of the population widens. There are always those in the middle ground who will eventually need to take sides.

However, unlike the past there doesn't seem to be much common ground or shared cultural experiences that would allow a fractured country to regroup. The fundamental ideological differences are too wide. The shared cultural experiences, social fabric, educational learnings, core beliefs....even the books we are reading are foreign to each other. We can't agree what marriage is, what biological gender is. Basic biology and science are perverted and tortured for political purposes.

This split has been carefully manufactured by the Left in order to create an army of unquestioning adherents. Nice little robots who are trained to NOT think for themselves. Now the Left is Hellbent on replacing the recalcitrant Deplorables with even less educated non citizens who will just be available to boost the Left up into the power that they desire.

Should there be a real Civil War....and I fear that it is inevitable....there doesn't seem much hope for a re-union of the American People.

tim in vermont said...

I don't see the chaos, but the parts about the grandiosity and the extreme lack of empathy in sufferers of Trump Derangement Syndrome was comedy gold, funny because true.

buwaya said...

One of Trumps tweets seems like a public form of a threat he may have made privately to Sulzberger, implying, perhaps, the NYT playing a part in leaks of secret information. Something hanging over Sulzberger.

narciso said...

an interesting note, re farrow's earlier work, he suggested black cube had surveilled high level Obama staffers pushing for the iran deal, the info I was able to turn up related to a Taiwanese shipper that was trying to break the sanctions, fwiw,

so now that the qataris have been revealed in 'fixing' the 2022 world cup, with a public relations agency, and fmr?? cia operatives, the shoe is on the other foot.

narciso said...

I trudged through farrow's tedious tract, about lost diplomacy, which seems to have missed the Korean break through, and laud the Qatari middlemen approach to the Taliban, that yielded very little

Mark said...

"Should there be a real Civil War....and I fear that it is inevitable....there doesn't seem much hope for a re-union of the American People."

Good. Does that mean,I get to keep,my New Hampshire? I like my New Hampshire.

narciso said...

Now Qatar's fingerprints seems to show up everywhere, sponsoring the Catalan independence movement, giving sanctuary to hamas, supporting islamists in Libya and Egypt,


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/fifa-world-cup-2018/qatar-alleged-to-have-used-ex-cia-to-sabotage-australia-s-world-cup-bid-20180730-p4zuck.html

now the fact that brookings had 15 million reasons to look the other way, and I've pointed out which firm, has represented their interests in the past,

narciso said...

of course the establishment view represented by haklyut and orbis, is remaining is the only choice,


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/matteo-salvini-leader-of-italys-right-warns-eu-is-swindling-britain-out-of-brexit-7pd9n0t6r

this dynamic cleaves countries, not only the us and the uk, but france germany and Italy,

narciso said...

you know the framing, but there's more than a little truth to his statements,

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-steve-bannon-tells-haaretz-why-he-can-t-be-an-anti-semite-1.6316437

buwaya said...

Qatar has been a nexus of very strange games for two decades.

Dad29 said...

We can't agree what marriage is, what biological gender is. Basic biology and science are perverted and tortured for political purposes.

Yah, ontology. All you have to recall is Clinton's "....what the meaning of is is..." statement; that was the meteor which should have gotten more attention.

tim in vermont said...

I tell my mom that she should be angry at the Democrats and the press for getting her so worked up just to get her vote.

CWJ said...

"Trump does nothing substantive and the whole press falls to the ground with soccer injuries. Simultaneously, repeatedly."

LOL! I just imagined a referee watching all 11 members of a soccer team (plus the bench) falling to the ground with "soccer injuries" simultaneously. What to do. What to do.

CWJ said...

And the coach. and the fans.

Jeff said...

Chuck said:

The Althouse comments pages are now filled with nasty, brutish bullies who will accept nothing less than complete support for Trump. And anyone who questions Trump is attacked personally and largely without limit.

I don't comment very often, but I have spoken up a few times in favor of free trade and more immigration. Some commenters disagreed with me, and some agreed. What I found most rewarding is that a few people actually asked me questions, trying to understand where I was coming from. I like to think that at least a few of my comments may have caused a few people to consider things they hadn't thought of before.

Still, this is the Internet, so there are always a few people who equate name-calling with making arguments. But for the most part, the debates have been pretty civil.

What doesn't work at all are personal insults and criticisms implying that people are dishonest, cowardly, stupid, racist, etc.. Nor does it help to respond in kind when someone attacks you that way.

Chuck, the resentment you encounter here is due to the perception that all you want to do is criticize Trump. Not only that, you make essentially the same criticisms again and again. Trump is a braggert. Trump is a liar. And so on, and so on, ad infinitum. We all know Trump's faults, but he has one great virtue that overrides them all -- He's not Hillary!

You can disagree with his policies without repeated calling him a liar, you know. Politicians have always been known to be a bunch of liars. It's a profession that rewards lying, so of course the most accomplished politicians are inveterate liars.

Dad29 said...

Trump is a braggert. Trump is a liar.

OK, that's true.

So what?

It's not what he says--Obama said beautiful things--it's what he DOES that counts. Obama did terrible things but was oh, soooooooooo nice.....Trump is rude and crude, but he does all the right things. Mostly all.

Darrell said...

Wonder why very few liberals and or Democrats comment here anymore?

Truly a dirty rotten cryin' shame.
We are deprived of the wit and wisdom of hundreds of Pee-Pee-Ritmos.
Can we ever recover?

Darrell said...

Remember when the Althouse blog was nothing before Chuck showed up?
Chuck does.
Althouse should share any award she is given with the man from Michigan. Or block his email address.

tim in vermont said...

“We didn’t always understand what he was saying, but we always knew what he meant.” - Pooty Tang

tim in vermont said...

The Althouse comments pages are now filled with nasty, brutish bullies who will accept nothing less than complete support for Trump.

No, we just ask people to support their criticism and answer questions.

tim in vermont said...

The Trump worship is so over the top that one feels creeped out after about 30 seconds.


If the thought of anybody disagreeing with you creeps you out after 30 seconds, what does that say about your love of diversity? You don’t love it? Maybe you and Langford Peel have more in common than you think!

chickelit said...

Chuck you bigly.

chickelit said...

I meant farly.

Bob Loblaw said...

Obama said beautiful things

Obama lied a lot, too, particularly in the days leading up to the ACA vote. I can't remember a president in my lifetime who didn't lie, with G. H. W. Bush the stand-out for using the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter as a witness to imaginary Iraqi atrocities in congressional testimony.

Big Mike said...

@Jeff, you should be aware that I have several times called Chuck out on his assertion that Trump is a liar. I have repeatedly asked him for examples that weren't simple cases of hyperbole or puffery. He has never responded.

I think "Trump is a liar" is itself a Big Lie (as Truman called it some seventy odd years ago). He engages in hyperbole, but that's a bit different. Quite a bit different. Especially when compared to "Trump is a racist," "Trump is a misogynist," "Trump colluded with the Russians."

tim in vermont said...

Chuck thinks Trump lied about the “Wiretapping” of Trump Towers because nobody climbed a telephone pole outside of the building and put alligator clips on the twisted pair. Plus he has demanded to know how Trump could have known, as if reading transcripts of his private conversations in the New York Times wasn’t evidence enough.

narciso said...

In that light, it's interesting the standard piece by the fmr Feinstein staffer and puzzle palace counsel, who tells squirrel at the Nunez inquiry.

Quaestor said...

Eleanor wrote: In all of my memories of that time in my life, I never picture a hippie kneading dough.

The difference is this: For a conservative kneading dough is an act of work. Just work — like any other work. One may take pride in a job well done, but not too much ere a fall doth loom in one's path. For a hippie, kneading dough is an apotheosis.

narciso said...


Talk about unexplored angles

https://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2018/07/john-podesta-and-russian-spies.html?m=1

Sprezzatura said...

DJT being a hero of bigots = makes bigotry targets (and folks opposed to bigotry) anxious = logic.




Yur welcome.

Sprezzatura said...

Very fine bigots = anxiety.

Sebastian said...

The Trump-is-a-liar meme, besides being silly, for the sorts of reasons Bob and Mike give, also misinterprets much of his rhetoric.

He often bullshits, in the technical Frankfurtian sense of not caring about the the truth value of his statements. Of course, it irritated me no end during the campaign. But I now see it a bit differently, since a portion of it is BS with a purpose, a weapon in a political game Trump is playing, an effort to reframe the terms of the fights he is fighting. That is a powerful thing, in fact one of the most powerful things a politician can do. Since the reframing mostly goes in a conservative direction, I am more pleased than I thought I would be.

Example: "Tariffs are the greatest!" In 2016, I would have said, in my fusty Smithian-Ricardian way: no, they aren't. Big Mike would say: hyperbole. I now say, with limited information on what Trump "thinks": he is sending a message, reframing "tariffs" as a weapon to get other to play more fair or favorably with us, ramping up pressure by showing his own confidence. Tariffs are the greatest--until we make decent deal. Of course, the terms of the deal(s) matter, but by comparison with 2016 I am more optimistic that Trump will actually get some results, on that front and others.

narciso said...

Dog whistle is sharp


https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/07/new-york-times-whines-stop-attacking-us.php?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=sw&utm_campaign=sw

langford peel said...

Blogger tim in vermont said...
If the thought of anybody disagreeing with you creeps you out after 30 seconds, what does that say about your love of diversity? You don’t love it? Maybe you and Langford Peel have more in common than you think!


Everyone believes what I believe in their heart of hearts. Yeah yeah I know you don't see color. Tell me about it when you are in the ATM at midnight and LeRoy walks in the door.

People have a primal, tribal desire and need to associate with their own kind. Difference is not safe and to be avoided if not destroyed. It has been the case all though human history. The Empire that allows the Vandals in is ultimately destroyed.

Keep fooling yourself with your fantasy of diversity. It has never worked over the long haul and never will.

Stick with your own kind.

Narayanan said...

I see Trump as high wire act without safety net juggling 🐘 elephants and donkeys

narciso said...


Have they lost their mind:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-could-lead-to-spread-of-infectious-dis

Pookie Number 2 said...

DJT being a hero of bigots = makes bigotry targets (and folks opposed to bigotry) anxious = logic.

I’m quite opposed to bigotry (my mom’s parents were both tattooed at Auschwitz; the rest of their families were gassed and incinerated), and I’m not at all anxious about the fact that there are maybe a half dozen neo-Nazi losers in America that feel encouraged by media misrepresentations of what Trump says.

Be said...

Quite Clear Here.

Ray - SoCal said...

Random Thoughts:

Ronan Farrel I think is a lone actor. I’m am suspicious of the reality of huge conspiracies. I believe a lot more in luck, hard work, incompetence, and cya make things happen in the world. The conspiracy against Trump has surprised me, and not something I thought possible anymore.

The me too movement and exposing of lots of sex scandals is wow. There is a general zero tolerance atmosphere that has caught up with a few. Per cdan there is more to come. What Weinstein got away with was amazing, and there are a lot of others just as guilty. Casting couch and pedophilia seem to be bigger than acknowledged. Podesta’s paintings need to be looked at to be believed. And Epstein’s Island? Lots of stuff going on that everyone knows about, yet nothing to the public.

Trump has been playing with the media for years and is really good at it. Other gop types try, and get burned - Bannon, Etc. Trump is very attuned to the media, and probably knows ahead of time of stuff that is gonna break. And he uses this knowledge to his advantage.

Journilist does continue to live in some form, and keeps the msm in sync.

Big tech is biased against conservatives, and Trump may do something about it... highlighting shadowbanning is just a start.

Sprezzatura said...

DJT said that very fine people deiced to hangout w/ folks chanting "the Jews will not replace us" = bigotry.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Well, no, he didn’t. He said that some of the people opposed to the frenzied dismantling of Confederate statues were very fine people.

Darrell said...

We still have a fine collection of Lefty nutters. Just check this thread.

Ray - SoCal said...

OMG!

Per Giuliani- Cohen recorded hundreds of conversations, including with journalists...

And Trump has copies of the ones he’s mentioned in.

Buwaya’s comment on the NYT meeting seems prescient!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/29/giuliani-president-trump-has-recordings-of-dozens-of-journalists-discussing-him-with-michael-cohen/#more-152319

Sprezzatura said...

So, according to DJT fans, very fine people hang out w/ folks who chant "Jews will not replace us" while carrying torches because a local government, implementing local control, voted to remove a statue that was installed to protest civil rights for all Americans.



Bigotry is winning.

Sick of winning?

narciso said...

There,is certainly some of this, but who led roman to McGowan, similarly this vendetta he has against Israel, which is ironic to say the least.

Pookie Number 2 said...

So, according to DJT fans, very fine people hang out w/ folks who chant "Jews will not replace us" while carrying torches because a local government, implementing local control, voted to remove a statue that was installed to protest civil rights for all Americans.

Sure, if you dishonestly define “hang out with” so you can smear people who disagree with you. It’s a good trick.

Darrell said...

The leaders at Charlottesville were all Democrat operatives and two-time Obama voters, so what did you expect?

Sprezzatura said...

"Sure, if you dishonestly define “hang out with” so you can smear people who disagree with you. It’s a good trick."

Marching alongside w/.

Ray - SoCal said...

Being anti Israel, including accusations of racism, apartheid, etc. seems to be a thing among the global elite, which Ronan is part of.

Same thing about harping about racism, sexism, etc in the us.

While they ignore worse actions in the Islamic world.

Strange world we live in, full of people with double standards.

Finding a Weinstein victim sounded like shooting fish in a barrel. The true issue was getting it published.

Achilles said...

anti-de Sitter space said...

DJT said that very fine people deiced to hangout w/ folks chanting "the Jews will not replace us" = bigotry.

That group chanting "Jews will not replace us" was organized by Occupy wall street.

You leftists have been trying to destroy Israel for decades.

You are right progressivism = bigotry.

PackerBronco said...

Leftists put their faith in politics and the power of government.

They're going through a crisis of faith.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Marching alongside w/

Or, marching, and not abandoning a march just because a handful of lunatics tried to hijack your protest.

Seems a lot more benign than some guy with a grin intentionally posing for a picture with Louis Farrakhan. I guess affiliating with bigots is okay when you do it on purpose.

Achilles said...

anti-de Sitter space said...

"Sure, if you dishonestly define “hang out with” so you can smear people who disagree with you. It’s a good trick."

Marching alongside w/.

We denounce racists. We note that you have more in common with Peel than we do. We denounce him more than you denounce La Raza. Oh they changed their name. Same people same goal. BLM is specifically racist. Nothing from you people.

The left never denounces their racists.

An entire mob of leftist shitheads in Portland yelling “F***ing N***er!” at black ICE agents for a month.

Nothing from the leftists.

Your entire political movement is predicated on racism and spoils.

You are naked to everyone now with nothing useful to offer the world.

buwaya said...

Its just PB&J again.
This entity can argue, but would rather not.

Others can't.

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