"A report released over the weekend about the state of scholarly standards in the field said it had been compromised by politics that influenced the discipline’s values and priorities. The report was produced by a commission led by Vanderbilt University and Washington University in St. Louis, where leaders have argued that higher education is in need of reforms. The commission found that scholarship in the humanities and social sciences was sometimes in the service of political goals. 'Some topics cannot be studied or cannot be studied in an honest way,' said Jukka Savolainen, a Wayne State University criminologist and sociologist who is not part of the commission. For scholars studying incarceration, he said, 'the only research that’s rewarded and allowed and encouraged is to find the umpteenth way in which incarceration is harmful.'"
From "Conservatives Don’t Like Sociology. Some Sociologists Don’t Either. A group of sociologists broke away in protest from their colleagues over disagreements about Israel. Some worry the political stances are harming the field" (NYT gift link).

86 comments:
"The commission found that scholarship in the humanities and social sciences was sometimes in the service of political goals.
The commission didn't spell "always" correctly.
Sociology is an important discipline. Academic sociologists have ridden it into the ground and made it a joke. Important questions sociologists could be answering - why are people in developed countries having fewer babies? What could be done to reverse the trend? Why do women choose single parenthood despite the severe disadvantages that it confers on their children? Why have so many able bodied men dropped out of the work force? And many, many more.
Breaking news from 1976. Now do 1926.
The notion that a society can be studied from an objective viewpoint is absurd on its face. Anyone claiming to believe it is a liar or a fool or both.
"The commission found that scholarship in the humanities and social sciences was sometimes in the service of political goals."
***No!!!***
I've always been repelled by the term 'social sciences'.
all public and higher education is being corrupted. The Democrat party is the world's largest crime syndicate
It’s too bad the left does not respect rebelliousness in academia as it does on the streets. You’d think that’d be the norm amongst that group, but whatever. If you’re gonna claim to be an activist then don’t hold back in your safe space.
Bahaha. Bahahahahaha
I don't think I agree that "Some topics cannot be studied or cannot be studied in an honest way." What if the researcher is simply honest about her bias and her agenda? Don't hide it in a "confounding factors" section - *start* with it. "I/we approach this question with the following personal perspective(s)." (This goes for news too.)
I listened to a Freakonomics episode awhile back on the replication crisis. One corrective approach am interviewee presented was to have a parallel research track that was *just* replication (and a commitment to publishing null-result studies, which don't tend to get published because they're boring).
Of course, all these unsexy things still depend on funding. Maybe that would be a good use of the interest from those endowment billions.
Our University system is a 5th column.
Every University should have its assets seized and sold and retirement funds confiscated to pay off student load debt.
Anyone to the right of Mao is a fucking idiot to keep supporting our university system. Most of the people with tenure are traitors who should be executed. They are openly allying with foreign powers against he citizens of our country and they are openly racist institutions.
Economics has the same problem, but worse because it is taken seriously.
It is almost impossible to strip one's political and economic interests from the theoretical side. In pure analysis some bank and Fed economists manage it, but only in very mechanical situations, like rate setting. Even there they have to weigh the political risks that are in play.
"Sociology" is bunk. As are "Psychology," "Political Science," and every single major that includes the word "Studies."
Liberalese is in poor repute. Its progress must be mitigated... nay, aborted, and sequestered, to restore the viability of the sociological field on a forward-looking basis.
Population studies liberally depend on assumptions... assertions of Diversity or bloc ideologies to pigeon hole men and women.
Late in life, Peter Berger wrote an article about the fate and future of sociology. He mentioned ideologization and "methodological fetishism" and concluded by writing that sociology arose largely to explain the transition to modernity. That's what preoccupied its greats. Now that we are fully in modernity (or post-modernity) it has less to say.
"Sociology originated in the attempt to understand the profound transformations brought about by the processes of modernity. Its basic question, to paraphrase the question asked in the Passover ritual, was “Why does this age differ from every other age?” In its classical period, roughly between 1890 and 1930, sociology flourished principally in three countries-France, Germany, and the United States. In each country the basic question took somewhat different forms, due to differing intellectual and political milieus. Sociology produced such intellectual giants as Émile Durkheim and Max Weber, and powerful schools of thought derived from their work. Given the structure of modern academic life, sociology became a distinct discipline and a profession. However, one could argue that, unlike other disciplines (such as political science or economics), sociology does not concern itself with a delineated field of human life. It is a perspective rather than a field (a perspective which, incidentally, I tried to describe in Invitation to Sociology ). This perspective (sometimes misunderstood, often correctly applied) has greatly influenced virtually all of the other social sciences as well as the humanities. Perhaps, then, sociology has fulfilled its purpose and its eventual demise should be seen as less than an intellectual catastrophe."
https://firstthings.com/whatever-happened-to-sociology/
I don't need a hack NYT idiot to tell me what I, as a conservative/libertarian, I like or do not like. What an arrogant asshole.
I am so sick of this.
She is a corrupt writer - writing nonsense and cliche' BS for consumption on behalf of her corrupt party - and the cult-like religious adherent base.
"We lost something through this pursuit of partisanship,” said Fabio Rojas, a professor at Indiana University who writes about schisms in sociology, adding, “There are a lot of people who are just like, ‘I want to go to work and not hear about Palestine.’”
So once again, the NYT's cares not because its "too liberal" but because someone is criticizing Israel. People were making jokes about how leftwing sociologists were when I was in College, and that was 40 years ago. Sociology has always been fake science and an excuse to push Leftwing views. Hearing someone has a PHD in sociology means there a Leftwing hack. That some "conservative sociologists" aka non-crazy Leftists exist is nice to know but irrelevant.
"I want to go to work and not hear about Palestine."
I want to read the comments section and not hear about Palestine.
"'Some topics cannot be studied or cannot be studied in an honest way,' said Jukka Savolainen, a Wayne State University criminologist and sociologist who is not part of the commission."
I looked up the name Jukka Savolainen and found a nugget from a podcast interview : "In the 1980s, um, the Danish government, their ministry of education, uh, decided to, um, they were, uh, frustrated with the direction of sociology in Denmark, specifically at Copenhagen University.
and they appointed an external Nordic, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian established empirical sociologist with international reputations to review uh take a look at the department and they end up decided that this is way too far gone. It's become this sort of Marxist hotbed of non-empirical speculative esoteric theorizing. And of course, the government was worried about training people who could do analyze social data. you know, Danish welfare state. There's a lot of these type of things that you need to have uh people who understand this. So, they end up dismantling uh the sociology department for a couple of years and rebuilding it from scratch in the early '90s. And and look, just fast forward to present day, it's one of the most impressive sociology department that I can think of."
(YouTube transcript is not perfect, but... chances are nobody watches posted clips from nobody)
Amy Wax raised her hand at a talk by then-leftist Glenn Loury, where Loury was deploring the high incarceration of blacks, to say that she thought that more blacks ought to be in prison.
Loury turned her in, though now they're close friends.
I was an historian for 20 years. The discipline’s methodology is designed to keep modern constructs out viewing the past. These have eroded significantly because it’s more fun for the politically active.
The field is rapidly losing credibility and will be mocked like sociology soon, which is unfortunate.
Sociology, the guy to read is Erving Goffman, who worked by irony and as a result produced fun books. Start with Asylums, which found that nobody in total institutions performed the role that the institution assigned him.
For Althouse, his book Gender Advertisements, mostly a picture book with commentary captions, if you can find it in a library somewhere, might be of interest.
As someone who had to attend meetings run by a PhD in Sociology I can say, with just a single exception, every meeting began with a leftist political joke or commentary followed by how white supremacy was everywhere and leftist ideology was an invention of anyone to the right of Bernie. Glad I’m out of academia by choice.
"Republicans in some states have singled out sociology as a poster child of everything that is wrong with academia"
The article cites controversies in Florida, but the poster child now is gender studies. Sociology is forgotten and in decline. It's the "studies" majors that get more attention.
Hamas kills the most Palestinians.
I'm Curious if there are sociology study of Palestine to compare against Israel
There sure are a lot of words wasted on things that a few known facts should put to rest rather quickly. Maybe knowing the answer isn't really all that enticing, but we should have an system dedicated to just answering questions honestly and succinctly through research and analysis. Nah, forget it, it would probably never catch on.
Hating Trump and Netanyahu = required by the corrupt left.
You will be advised who to hate - and how much.
Two movies. They are just catching on to this now?
"As someone who had to attend meetings run by a PhD in Sociology I can say, with just a single exception, every meeting began with a leftist political joke or commentary followed by how white supremacy was everywhere and leftist ideology was an invention of anyone to the right of Bernie. Glad I’m out of academia by choice."
I find it interesting that I saw none of that in my STEM department. People talked about work.
“Palestine” is basically a figment of Egyptian Yassar Arafat’s and others’ imaginations. It has no historical context. It never existed! Therefore, any claim to the contrary by any academic discipline is built on a lie. “So what!”, say most university officials, profs and students. Well….
As a one time liberal earning a BS in Sociology in 1972 I learned things that make me conservative today. Such as race is irrelevant in the socialization of values, beliefs, habits. People strive for social cohesion and community. Happy countries tend to be strongly united by culture and the great ones have diversity under that cultural umbrella. Numerous subcultures exist. People don’t live in the US so much as in their neighborhoods. Ideologies spread by lawyers, political science types and African Studies majors, non-scientists, have corrupted social science.
✅ Decrying America as a terrorist white supremacist nation.
🚫 Criticizing Israel.
Listening to leftist progressive morons yammer on endlessly about "Colonialism!" and "capitalism!" and White privilege!/white supremacy!"... it's so tired.
All while these same DSA Biden antifa thugs want to dismantle everything - and replace freedom with Islamic theocracy ladled with heaps of communism and every bad idea there is.
"..The commission found that scholarship in the humanities and social sciences was ***sometimes*** in the service of political goals..."
this is the biggest pile of BS i have EVER seen..
scholarship in the humanities and social sciences IS NOT
***sometimes*** in the service of political goals.
it is ***ALWAYS*** in the service of political goals.
ALWAYS. Each and EVERY time
DD(D) - Israel is criticized non-stop by the corrupt left and the Tuq'r sellouts.
According to idiot leftists and Tuq'r sellouts everywhere - Israel and the Jooooos are to blame for all the things.
but please - don't you dare blame the corrupt crime syndicate that is the corrupt vile demofuck party.
Not all political stances are created equal.
The application of term discipline to the paradigm touchy-feely realm of sociology is risible.
They showed examples of the passages that Ardray plagiarized. Holy shit, that was truly awful writing. Someone, I think Dawkins, called it obscurantism. You write in a purposefully difficult way to hide the stupidity of your thoughts........Maybe it was always a scam. Sociology teaches us that there are no differences between races, but what with the Protestant Ethic, there are huge differences between German Catholics and German Protestants.........That sociologist who exposed Ardray had previously written a paper where he showed that people who voted conservative are less intelligent than liberals. That paper passed muster without objection. We hold these truths to be self evident.. However, when he claimed that Blacks are only capable of meritorious distinction in two fields--sports and entertainment--he lost his job and acquired the reputation of a racist......I don't agree with his latter view, but it's no more objectionable than the former.
Sociology was over before I was born. It's dead.
I'd love to open and newspaper and not have to read about a small country called "israel" constantly. But it seems that from the NYT's on down to the most local rag whatever happens there is front page news. And every politician can't stop talking about how they love israel and we must support them with $$ no matter what.
Its sorta the flip side of "The holocaust" which always must be mentioned with a bowed head and the deepest Revererance, unlike all the other historical massacres which can be treated with dark humor.
"Someone, I think Dawkins, called it obscurantism. You write in a purposefully difficult way to hide the stupidity of your thoughts."
Archaeology started doing that in the '80s when lots of 'em got tired of trying to do actual science and decided to just vomit out whatever appeared in their heads.
Then again, starting in the '60s they used lots and lots of words to try and sound scientific without actually, you know, being so. Or at least only slightly so. Thus we got entire paragraphs explaining how people (stated in 20 words) liked to live (stated in 30 words) near sources of fresh water (described in 40 words).
It started with Boas and Margaret Meade, trying to show that teenagers are better off with wild sex. Fooled by a bunch of Polynesian teenagers, “Coming of Age in Samoa”, published in 1928. Meade is still a hero to Sociology even though the author of an unreplicable PhD thesis.
“Normal people and scientists don’t respect irreproducible results.”
No need for politics to enter the chat.
Beaver7216 said...
"As a one time liberal earning a BS in Sociology in 1972 I learned things that make me conservative today. Such as race is irrelevant in the socialization of values, beliefs, habits. People strive for social cohesion and community. Happy countries tend to be strongly united by culture and the great ones have diversity under that cultural umbrella. Numerous subcultures exist. People don’t live in the US so much as in their neighborhoods. Ideologies spread by lawyers, political science types and African Studies majors, non-scientists, have corrupted social science."
Interesting conclusions. Thanks.
The same accusation could be applied to climate change scientists.
"I'd love to open and newspaper and not have to read about a small country called "israel" constantly."
Says the guy who cannot resist mentioning Jews or Israel in nearly every comment regardless of the topic of the post, like this one.
Imagine the guy in Memento waking up every day and finding someone's tattooed "Jews" on him AGAIN!
A month ago, 10 high-profile scholars released a document about politicalization in the humanities.
One field was singled out as the most extreme case: anthropology.
Compared to philosophy, sociology, history, literary studies, and music studies, the discipline showed “a pervasive repudiation of ideals of objectivity together with a toxic intellectual climate in which reasonable dissent on politically charged topics is routinely suppressed and punished.”
After the report came out, The Chronicle of Higher Education did an interview with the president of the American Anthropological Association.
It's highly controversial, to put it mildly. She wants to silence anybody who thinks biological sex is a reality.
I dont know the world RCO lives in. I find criticisms of Israel in social media and academia and the MSM every day. I can hardly remember the last time I saw unreserved praise of the country, anywhere.
Sigh. I suppose that must mean I'm fully deluded by AIPAC mind-rays or Jewish space-lasers or something.
I think this is the original report. It too is produced by Vanderbilt and Washington University.
Thank you Professors Hu Wudov-Guesesed and O'really!
Only in hackademia, is obvious reality passed off as higher knowledge...
Imagine the guy in Memento waking up every day and finding someone's tattooed "Jews" on him AGAIN!
ha ha ha
that would be a funny movie
tattoo ideas
Mossad is watching you
AIPAC paid for this
We will make it snow tomorrow
Zionists are here
This ankle belongs to Israel
Shalom
Hi Abba
Beastie Boys say, "Sabotage!"
Magic Ink From the Middle East
FLASHBACK: "Americans love to turn to women when the house is burning down. *Social scientists* call it the glass cliff — the phenomenon in which women are recruited to lead failing companies."
Left-wing academia exists to prop up the movement, which would collapse without it.
Fred Drinkwater said...
I dont know the world RCO lives in. I find criticisms of Israel in social media and academia and the MSM every day. I can hardly remember the last time I saw unreserved praise of the country, anywhere.
Sigh. I suppose that must mean I'm fully deluded by AIPAC mind-rays or Jewish space-lasers or something.
The problem is there is no middle ground for most people.
AIPAC is a nasty corrupt foreign element that is massively successful at buying our politicians. Ted Cruz and many other congress people have committed open treason on AIPAC's behalf. By any definition of that crime they should hang.
Likewise our interests overlap for the most part in the Middle East and there are a bunch of people who hate the Jews more than they like the United States. They would rather see the United States lose than Israel continue to exist.
Erving Goffman 1/2
``A merry-go-round horse is a thing of some size, some height, and some movement; and while the track is never wet, it can be very noisy. American middle-class two-year-olds often find the prospect too much for them. They fight their parents at the last moment to avoid being strapped into a context in which it had been hoped they would prove to be little men. Sometimes they become frantic halfway through the ride, and the machine must be stopped so that they can be removed.
``Here we have one of the classic possibilities of life. Participation in any circuit of face-to-face activity requires the participant to keep command of himself, both as a person capable of executing physical movements and as once capable of receiving and transmitting communications. A flustered failure to maintain either kind of role poise makes the system as a whole suffer...
``At three or four, the task of riding a wooden horse is still a challenge, but apparently a manageable one, inflating the rider to his full extent with demonstrations of capacity. Parents need no longer ride alongside to protect their youngsters. The rider throws himself into the role in a serious way, playing it with verve and an admitted engagement of all his faculties. Passing his parents at each turn, the rider carefully lets go one of his hands and grimly waves a smile or a kiss...
``Returning to the merry-go-round, we see that at five years of age the situation is transformed, especially for boys. To be a merry- go-round horse rider is apparently not enough, and this fact must be demonstrated out of dutiful regard for one's own character. Parents are not likely to be allowed to ride along, and the strap for preventing falls is often disdained. One rider may keep time to the music by clapping his feet or a hand against the horse, an early sign of utter control. Another may make a wary stab at standing on the saddle or changing horses without touching the platform. Still another may hold on to the post with one hand and lean back as far as possible while looking up to the sky in a challenge to dizziness. Irreverence begins, and the horse may be held on to by his wooden ear or his tail. The child says by his actions: `Whatever I am, I'm not just someone who can barely manage to stay on a wooden horse.' Note that what the rider is apologizing for is not some minor ontoward event that has cropped up during the interaction, but the whole role...
``At seven or eight, the child not only dissociates himself self- consciously from the kind of horseman a merry-go-round allows him to be but also finds that many of the devices that younger people use for this are now beneath him. He rides no-hands, gleefully chooses a tiger or a frog for a steed, clasps hands with a mounted friend across the aisle. He tests limits, and his antics may bring a negative sanction from the adult in charge of the machine. And he is still young enough to show distance by handling the task with bored, nonchalant competence, a candy bar languidly held in one hand.
Goffman 2/2
``At eleven and twelve, maleness for boys has become a real responsibility, and no easy means of role distance seems to be available on merry-go-rounds. It is necessary to stay away or to exert creative acts of distance, as when a boy jokingly treats his wooden horse as if it were a racing one: he jogs himself up and down, leans far over the neck of the horse, drives his heels mercilessly into its flanks, and uses the reins to get more speed, brutally reining in the horse when the ride is over. He is just old enough to achieve role distance by defining the whole undertaking as a lark, a situation for mockery.
``Adults who choose to ride a merry-go-round display adult techniques of role distance. One adult rider makes a joke of tightening the belt around him; another crosses his arms, giving popcorn with his left hand to the person on his right and a coke with his right hand to the person on his left. A young lady riding sidesaddle tinkles out, `It's cold,' and calls to her watching boy friend's boy friend, `Come on, don't be chicken.' A dating couple riding adjacent horses holds hands to bring sentiment, not daring, to the situation. Two double-dating couples employ their own techniques: the male in front sits backwards and takes a picture of the other male rider taking a picture of him. And, of course, some adults, riding close by their threatened two-and-a-half- year-old, wear a face that carefully demonstrates that they do not perceive the ride as an event in itself, their only present interest being their child.
``And finally there is the adult who runs the machine and takes the tickets. Here, often, can be found a fine flowering of role distance. Not only does he show that the ride itself is not - as a ride - an event to him, but he gets on and off and around the moving platform with a grace and ease that can only be displayed by safely taking what for children and even adults would be chances.''
- Erving Goffman, _Encounters_ p.105
"I dont know the world RCO lives in."
I suspect you do.
Someone wondered why birth rates were declining in modern societies. Try prying a young woman away from her smart phone for long enough to have sex… good luck with that.
Guys, on the other hand may be holding out for the dream Robot. If China refocused all its scientific energy in this work, they would not need advanced weapons to conquer the world.
Blame all the things on the Israel lobby!
You know how many lobbies there are?
No one ever talks about the even more powerful Islam lobby.
X
"So Eman Abdelhadi, who is Abdul El-Sayed’s sister… wants to abolish the United States as a nation, do away with the economy and eradicate money completely.
This delusional Marxist, who should be deported is instead teaching your children at the
@UChicago"
Link
"Fooled by a bunch of Polynesian teenagers, “Coming of Age in Samoa”, published in 1928. Meade is still a hero to Sociology even though the author of an unreplicable PhD thesis."
Derek Freeman lived in Somoa from 1940-1943 and spoke the language fluently. He was adopted by a Somoan family and given a the name Logona-i-Taga. He later gave lectures on Somoan life at Oxford, and taught at the university of Somoa.
When Freeman tried to publish this book attacking it Meade's scholarship it was rejected by American publishers in the late 70s. He finally got it published in the University press in the early 80s.
Even today (as shown by the wikipedia Page) the Leftwing establishment refuses to accept that Meade was either an idiot or a fraud and Freeman was right. Instead, they claim there's some sort of unresolved "Controversy". "he said, she said".
If you read the liberal press before the early 90s about the Hiss-Chambers case its the same obfuscation tactic. "Gosh, we'll never know if Hiss was really guilty" "its all so gray, nuanced, and complicated". Except all the facts pointed to that conclusion that he was guilty and Hiss served time in prison.
I can't find in Frame Analysis the footnote on Julie Andrews appearing on stage (in a film) topless, where Goffman said the analysis has to be careful here. It's a film, and the audience of the stage show are actors, and in being filmed with a surprised reaction to Julie Andrews taking her top off, they were no longer actors in the film but subjects in a documentary.
Google says it does not appear in Frame Analysis but I'm sure it does.
Meade spent 1 year in Somoa and studied Teenage girls. Freeman could not replicate her research or conclusions.
BTW, if you read about Polynesian Life in Hawaii under the Taboo system, female sexuality was restricted. Everybody wasn't having orgies on the beach - for obvious reasons.
I don't really want to see Julie Andrews topless - in any film.
Social Activists
I'm not sure how we got on naked Julie Andrews. But the film you're talking about is S.O.B.. I haven't seen it, but I remember when it came out.
That's a Blake Edwards movie. Julie Andrews was his wife.
It's amazing what fraud sell-outs can do to blame the JOOOOOS!
I don't really want to see Julie Andrews topless - in any film.
Not when she's 90, anyway. She was in her 40's when she shot the movie.
Julie Andrews was surrounded by naked breast in the Film "Hawaii" (1966) and IRC, showed hers off in some 1980s Blake Edwards film.
People wanted to see Bo Derek's breasts, not Mary Poppins.
BTW, Hawaii was one of the most popular films of 1966, probably because she was a Box-office star at the time, and it was based on James Mischners best selling book.
The message of the film went over well in the 60s. "Down with uptight Christianity, lets party on the beach, surf, and go around half-naked. dude"
If the 1820s Hawaiians had smoked pot, the Hollywood producers would've put that in too. Poor ol' Julie is married to stuffy uber-Christian Max Saydow, and pines for macho Richard Harris a Whale ship captain. He's a cool dude who wants to ditch all that Christian stuff too, but not go too far.
"[C]ritics of the __state__ of the discipline"
I don't care about the __state__. The entire field is Marxism, from anthropology to criminology to philosophy and all the gender this and sex that and race the other thing in between.
Nobody needs a degree to study any of these topics. If you're interested, skip the Marxist indoctrination and just go study it.
In the very first comment, Yancey Ward says that " scholarship in the humanities and social sciences was sometimes in the service of political goals" needs to be emended, that "sometimes" should be "always". This is not true. In Classics, for instance, my field, it is still "sometimes" and "too often", certainly not "always" and nowhere near "usually", either. There is plenty of excellent work being done by scholars who keep their political opinions (if any) out of their work. Check out the latest volumes in the Loeb Classical Library, Oxford Classical Texts, Cambridge Greek and Latin Classics, and Cambridge Classical Texts and Commentaries series for examples.
I think Sociology uses too much of the dark, deceptive art of presenting almost completely subjective material as appearing, through analysis, to be objective, and thus validated. It's phony science.
The funniest thing about "Hawaii" the movie is that it was written by a communist who obviously hated Christianity. But people in the 60s were so into the philosophy of "Lets party" that it was never commented on.
I took several sociology classes in college in the 80s. And they were both required courses. The Professors were both hard core leftists, and the class material was just race propaganda. White man bad. POC good.
Everyone knew it was worthless nonsense. You just played along, got your grade, and moved on. The only people who didn't were libtards. Gullible rubes who swallowed the propaganda. One day they were listening to "Pastor Bob" in their small town and believing it without question. Then they were in college listening to Professor Goldstein and believing it without question.
Gullible rubes and conformists. They never change.
I was more into partying my freshman year of college (1971), so I took an Intro Sociology course. Despite my feeble minded hippo wannabe brain, I realized it was all BS in about a week.
My favorite line about the book Hawaii was something like, the missionaries came to do good and they ended up doing well. The missionaries married into the royal families and slurped up the mountain farms and beach property.
Sociology is the study of arranging diverse blocs of individuals, minority of one into pigeon holes under DEIst class-disordered ideologies (e.g. racism).
Yeah. No shit, Sherlock. Let's not forget to look at the garbage their tenured mandarins have been pumping out for half a century too.
RHHardin, are you referencing to how they disappeared people over 30 in Logan's Run?
@RC Ocean. - for one brief shining moment I thought your post at 4:18 pm meant Laurence Meade had spent a year in Samoa studying teenage girls and Freeman Hunt couldn’t replicate her own research or conclusions. My brain is clearly fatigued and had lost the plot, but it is my favorite mistaken processing of written information in this century. Thank you.
@ Tina - pre 1970 there was some interesting work done. In furtherance of you termed my pathetic lifestyle I have secured a number of such volumes for my Southeast Asian homestead.
“ Palestine” is basically a figment of Egyptian Yassar Arafat’s and others’ imaginations. It has no historical context. It never existed!”
Actually it did. The region, previously called Judea, was renamed Palistine by the Romans to thumb their nose to the Jews after an unsuccessful revolution.
In WWII the (and WWI also IIRC) the Brits raised a Palestinian Brigade. They were Jews from the region.
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