What's "experiential content" and why am I "experiencing" that as bullshit?Angie Báez, 40, was promoted to Executive Director of Community and Industry Engagement for Card and Connected Commerce at JPMorgan Chase more than a year ago, according to her LinkedIn profile. She previously served as Executive Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion at New York-based review website The Infatuation, which Chase acquired as part of its broader push into lifestyle and experiential content...
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"What's 'experiential content' and why am I 'experiencing' that as bullshit?" is the one question I took to Grok. If I understand it correctly, instead of marketing the product itself, consumers are invited to picture themselves living some kind of life that somehow relates to the product. The honest restaurant content will, supposedly, be woven together with references to Chase cards. Even though Grok told me "It's not 'bullshit' as a pure concept" — because it can work as a marketing technique — it's obviously a bullshit expression designed to elevate a practice that deserves ridicule.
But you would probably prefer to ridicule this lady who did something stupid and who, you may think, doesn't deserve her job, and you probably think it's her job, her erstwhile job, that sounds like bullshit.
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Maybe she has a future on OnlyCans.
So the Chase card experience is dumping trash on the streets of NYC?
Kudos to our considerate Executive Director for taking care to keep the trash all in one heap.
I dunno ann. You're pushing their garbage here. Seems the marketing always works on you boomers brought up consuming trash...
Another one of these make believe jobs
I would comment on the women's (??) size/appearance, but that would be unkind.
I don’t like that the government obligated the bank to hire her and the other busy work diversity hires. It must have given this person an overinflated sense of self worth. Did a resume beyond her education and experience empower her to steal? Without the craziness of government intervention xe should have been just another anonymous asshole stealing stuff in a victory riot….
Probably blackrock not the government
Clyde - LOL!
…yah, well Larry Fink is cabal so we’re both right narc…
Let he who has never said, "I was drunk, your honor and it seemed like a good idea at the time" cast the first stone.
Pure Dilbert content. If only Scott Adams were still alive to comment on it.
One of the funnier moments in Waugh's Decline and Fall. The protagonist is teaching at a terrible rural school. One colleague is a degenerate, barely a teacher. This loser asks about a job ad: surely there can't be a job where you just go from pub to pub, drinking this one company's brand of beer and recommending it? This would be heaven.
Did she do something stupid or did she do something illegal? Dumping trash and stealing the trash can.
It is odd that this one instance of dumping on the streets of NYC has resulted in a person getting fired. I suppose the homeless can’t get fired. They’re effectively hired by NGOs after all.
She’s highly paid to do a job that shouldn’t exist for a company that is not in the field she was hired to promote.
Yes, it’s bullshit all the way down. If I were a Chase customer or shareholder, I would be very skeptical of leaving my money there.
"I don’t like that the government obligated the bank to hire her and the other busy work diversity hires. It must have given this person an overinflated sense of self worth...."
She was working at The Infatuation when Chase acquired it. Then they put her somewhere for some reason of theirs.
The Infatuation is "a New York-based review website."
I would keep the focus on Chase, not this lady who, like many others in the big crazy crowd, did something stupid on an unusual day.
She needed the trash can because she had to put her trash job into it.
“Pure Dilbert content. If only Scott Adams were still alive to comment on it.”
At least once a week that thought comes to mind. Wish he was still around.
This video is a metaphor for Democratic Socialism - dump trash on you and steal your shit.
This episode confirms a LOT of stereotypes LOL.
"Did she do something stupid or did she do something illegal?"
Both. The two often go hand in hand.
Jamie Dimon seems to be rethinking quite a few things these days. Of course I'm sure he was not consulted about this particular situation, but - sending everyone back to full-time in-person work, transitioning out of New York... I wonder whether his reconsiderations are affecting the corporate culture over there.
Chase has provided the experiential content of watching their employee dump trash on the ground. And we didn’t even have to be cardholders! That’s the real crime for Chase. Nonexclusivity that robbed them of the annual card fee!
Euros marvel at our multiculturism, especially the French, because their rioters are almost exclusively Muslim men.
She went Camus when she shoulda went Buddha.
Experiential content? Is that like the scene in the "The Jerk" where Steve Martin wants a drink with an umbrella in it because a magazine ad for the drink says, "Be somebody!"? The ad isn't about the drink, but the supposed status it provides.
She went from a job with a 7-word title to one with a 12-word title. Now her job title has one word: Unemployed.
"... you probably think it's her job...."
Some years ago I began thinking of the job as belonging to the employer, never the employee. The employer creates the job where none existed before. It belongs to the employer.
I dunno, I kinda think both her, her old old job, the job she just lost, and her actions are all bullshit. But it is also NYC after the Knicks win, which was an embarrassing amount of bullshit. Burning school buses? Tell me more about how you need more taxpayer dollars and less policing.
Althouse serves up a reversed seared medium rare tomahawk steak. Comfort food for those suffering the embarrassment of Trump's unconditional surrender to the Mad Mullahs at Versailles.
If you want to short a company stock, I’ll just note that JPMorgan Chase doesn’t seem to be hiring the best and brightest these days.
Never forget that panderer-in-chief Dimon wore a mask and took a knee during 2020 TDS/BLM/COVID-mania:
https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/mending-jpm-chief-drops-into-mt-kisco-chase-branch/
"Experience" of wearing kneepads.
"Experience" of triangulation so that the blind hatred remained on Trump.
"Experience" of fooling some of the people all the time with petty symbolism.
I'm a simple person. I think making taxpayers pay for the mess she made and the public property she stole, with zero concern that people were seeing her do it, are three good reasons to fire any employee.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, indeed.
Althouse, if a crowd of people commit crimes, each of them deserve punishment. I don't understand your point.
There is no appeal from that visual. That's a superabundance of trash.......Maybe if she or the trash can were a little less full, it could have been written off as high spirits. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and morbidly obese people shouldn't dump trash cans. They probably won't even let her keep the trash can.
My guess is that Chase was ecstatic about her giving them reason to fire her for cause. Any other termination was bound to entail a confidential six-figure settlement to avoid the inevitable discrimination litigation.
"What's 'experiential content' and why am I 'experiencing' that as bullshit?"
The stink?
Stink is an interesting word. In its most restricted sense it means to exude an offensive odor, as in "Doctor Johnson, you smell! No, madame. You smell; I stink." But we use it more creatively. The corruption of rotting junk food is echoed by the corruption of manners that completely envelops Angie Baez. If there's no stink there, then nothing has ever stunk since the Big Bang.
She is a working metaphor for the entire DEI mandate that is nothing more than the approved version of systemic racism. That thing we were all taught was evil and bad.
As soon as I read her title of "Executive Director of Community and Industry Engagement for Card and Connected Commerce,"
I knew something leftist was brewing.
waddle waddle oink oink.. MINE!
JPMorganChase -- What a stinking corporate name, that is. -- has fired Aggie Baez. She is no longer our employee, says the top tier management. That's their canned reply to any inquiry. She's gone, they pronounce with finality, as if that absolves JPMorganChase of every sin and effrontery. The real question is why was there a job to do that required someone like Baez to do it. Why does a bank require a DEI commissar? Anyone with a nose can smell the corrosive depravity that accompanies DEI wherever it goes. DEI replaces every moral concept with its antipode. Injustice replaces justice. Suspicion replaces trust. Chaos replaces harmony. Stupidity replaces wisdom. What bright Harvard-educated cretin thought JPMorganChase should become an unjust, diffident, chaotic, and just plain dumb house of finance?
Gotta be 230.
She intentionally broke multiple laws. Was that acting stupidly or entitled? Littering is illegal in every state.
When I hear, ‘JP Morgan Chase,’ that is NOT the look that comes to mind.
"I would keep the focus on Chase..."
Okay.
How much less expensive do you think the goods and services you pay for might be, if companies weren't shouldering the cost of 'employing' people for jobs like the one this woman had?
The money you earn comes at the cost of hours/days/years of your working life that can never be recovered. How many of them are you comfortable expending so that other people can get paid to do bullshit jobs?
“Althouse, if a crowd of people commit crimes, each of them deserve punishment. I don't understand your point.”
How would you have treated the January 6 protesters who entered the Capitol building when they found themselves in the middle of a crowd on a day that didn’t feel like other days?
Side effects of Jardiance many include experiential context...
In her bio on The Infatuation’s website, she was described as: “As a vibrant mosaic of Dominican heritage, Bronx roots, and a passion for storytelling, creativity, and culture, Angie continues to lead the way towards a more inclusive and equitable future for food media, leaving an indelible mark on The Infatuation and everything she touches.”
https://thespun.com/nba/knicks-fan-who-stole-trash-can-identified-fired-from-job
"How many of them [your dollars, your work hours] are you comfortable expending so that other people can get paid to do bullshit jobs?"
Moochelle Obama, at the University of Chicago Medical Center, was Vice President for Community and External Affairs.
How did Miss Baez get her seat on the gravy train, and why would she risk her golden ticket so recklessly?
Before being absorbed by Chase, she was executive director of DEI for a self-described "small group of highly trained, highly opinionated writers and editors."
The staff at a restaurant review website in NYC would be a progressive menagerie. Hiring weirdos would be their core competency. She had a pointless job with a fancy title, and fell into a fat job at a big bank.
All she had to do is act normal, but she's never had an incentive to do that.
She’s 40 years old, doesn’t appear drunk - so isn’t a kid. She’s getting yelled at by bystanders who aren’t behaving stupidly. She’s in a decently senior position at a major company. A position that is seems to be community/public facing. She revealed poor judgment AND disrespect for the community. Not a difficult decision to fire her.
I've done some dumb, impulsive things I shouldn't have, but in those days there was no internet and everybody didn't have a cell phone.
"..Executive Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.."
THIS says it ALL
“How would you have treated the January 6 protesters who entered the Capitol building when they found themselves in the middle of a crowd on a day that didn’t feel like other days?”
The difference for me is that I’m not sure the J6 protesters knew they were doing something illegal and even if it was technically illegal it wasn’t destructive - with a few exceptions. Dumping trash and stealing the trash can (just like stealing the podium) is obviously destructive.
Although Baez committed a crime, I would hope restitution and not jail would be the punishment.
The bystanders are mostly egging her on. One guy yells, "Take it! Take it!" Others cheer and clap.
If her company had merely heard about this incident or learned that she'd been given some kind of mischief citation by the cops, but there was no viral video making her famous, would they have fired her or would her co-workers just have laughed and given her a lot of good-natured shit about it for years afterward? Ruining her life over this seems a little severe.
Bob Boyd, same here, but I was 16.
serious question: HOW MUCH?
How Much was she being paid to be an "Executive Director of Community and Industry Engagement for Card and Connected Commerce"?
Is it safe to assume, that an Executive Director was PROBABLY making more than the minium wage?
Will Angie miss the money?
Did Angie think that there MIGHT BE repercusions?
or did she REALLY think (like our Professor said),
that since Other People were doing Other Things..
it'd be fine?
But seriously, how much money did she throw away?
I guess she saw the burning buses and destroyed police cruisers and thought nobody would care. There are other pictures showing her proudly smiling with her booty, on the subway. Imagine a mentality that concludes that it's completely acceptable to empty a full refuse bin on the sidewalk, to steal the can.
I wonder if Jamie Dimon must sometimes reflect on how many similar executive imbeciles he has walking the halls there. I wonder if sometimes he wakes up thinking he's the CEO of Idiocracy.
I bet she has a pretty nice apartment, too. But she's trailer trash, without the trailer.
That incident seems like something from "Seinfeld."
A lot of stuff that goes on in NYC does have a Seinfeld feel.
BTW, what was the deal with those commemorative trashcans anyway?
She shouldn't have been fired. What has this to do with her Job? Nothing. She's not a pastor of a church. I hope she can sue someone, because this sounds like unlawful termination.
Why the banksters feel they can fire anyone they wish for any reason and "debank" people (like the POTUS!) for their personal pleasure is beyond me. They're not "Muh free enterprise", they're regulated up the wazoo, and when they fail we bail them out.
That said, she looks extremely odd, and its not something I would do.
Bob, I’ve done stupid stuff too, but at a much younger age when my understanding of ethics was less developed. She’s a grown woman that held a position of trust as a director in her company. Her behavior was unethical as well as unlawful. Ruin her career? Perhaps not. But severance from her position of trust, absolutely. Let her go find a job that can suffer her reckless unethical behavior.
I work in advertising.
Experiential content is immersive digital or physical media designed to make your audience active participants rather than passive viewers. Like AR, VR, quizzes and multisensory storytelling.
It's kind of a dumb name, but it's a real thing.
Most of the time it is leveraging a physical space in a way you can experience the brand. For example a pop-up bar for an alcohol brand in which you play games or interact with things at a larger event is an example of experiential marketing or content.
When you are compelled by the crowd - a crowd being manipulated - to enter a space peacefully/orderly - which most people did - and even the police were ushering and holding doors open - why so much endless vilification?
You think perhaps maybe a public Building such as our Nations' Capitol - is OK to enter... Esp given the open doors and the police ushering it all.
A few people came in thu open doors, took photos and left.
They were indicted and threatened with total ruin. Result: A few took their own lives thru suicide.
(Which was the point for leftists in command)
The trash cans were designed to be stolen
unethical and immoral justification and permission structure for selfishness and crime is permitted.
Tolerated criminal activity - because they too are criminals. (D)
Her dumping the trash everywhere is a metaphor for the left's current modern attitudes.
“The trash cans were designed to be stolen.’
Apparently so was my car . . . twice.
It fits my pictures: the city; the woman; the job; the company; the trash; the can; the firing. All of it.
Impressive resume:
https://x.com/trustfundterry/status/2069623419872711151
Don't tell me what I will do, 'cause I won't
Don't tell me to believe in it, 'cause I don't
Be on your guard, better hostile and don't risk detection
Like flesh on the bone in the chubby-zone
You're still looking for a place for your erection
Come up to me with your "What did you say?"
And I'll tell you straight in the eye
Hey!
D.E.I
D.E.I.
D.E.I.
D.E.I. (didn’t)
D.E.I. (earn)
D.E.I. (it)
D.E.I.
D.E.I.
h/t Peter Gabriel
Are you kidding? She was born for that job. It is for her the pinnacle of success. Hopefully she will sue JP Morgan for wrongful termination, because that's exactly the job they hired her to do;
RCOCEAN II: "She shouldn't have been fired. What has this to do with her Job? Nothing."
How far would you go with this line of thinking? What if she committed child sexual abuse?
Why are so many Americans fat? I don’t recall seeing so many fat people in the 70s and 80s.
Your employer is forced to trust you without watching you, especially as an executive with access to important systems. How you behave is central to an executive position, and respect for infrastructure that is not yours is a basic requirement that makes you less likely to steal, cut corners, or violate company policy or workplace norms. It is probably the most important thing for a job as an executive or any responsible position. Dropping this standard has not worked out for us, any of us, and it has a lot to do with our 4 trillion dollar debt.
If she's actually got skills and knowledge, her lack of ethics will be acceptable to some new employer. I suggests a government job, or something with the DNC. You don't own your job. It's not yours in any way. You didn't pay for it. It paid for you. It doesn't want to pay for you anymore.
Next stop: Something just above minimum wage that features stocking shelves or making deliveries.
Speaking of Hot Garbage.
Why do leftists lie all the time - about everything?
When you get caught stealing - your employer is going to notice.
@Joe Bar: Comments on the résuméare the best.
AI estimates her salary to have been $250 to $350K.
Does every major company have crazy jobs like this? It's one thing to have an HR department, however much we despise them generally, but this job sounds like something you would make up, as a joke or parody.
It's hard to imagine how this position was adding wealth to Chase; maybe someone can explain it.
Laz: “ BTW, what was the deal with those commemorative trashcans anyway?”
Yes, what was the deal? How could cash strapped NYC pony up the money to either buy or paint the cans that would probably not be used again? Well, maybe for the Mets, with the same color scheme. Oh…
Or maybe various businesses donated the cans? Maybe Chase itself? Or MSG?
Was the city planning to auction them off, like the various painted fiberglass statues every town and shire seems to put out to mark special occasions? If not, what was the cost of the can, and would anyone in NYC ever get more than a ticket for taking one?
All more interesting questions than this lady’s phony baloney job. CC, JSM
Chase markets sapphire cards to people who want to feel that it makes them elite. But, of course, no mater how elite you are there are more elite people than you. She was fired because people who want to be elite don’t want to feel associated with trash dumping thieves. It did not hurt her that she accomplished nothing useful, it hurt her that she went negative in value.
It would not surprise me that she was transferred to some other division and told to shut up. That is easier.
Comments on her resume:
@jpmorgan
looks like the barrier to entry to getting into your firm has has been reduced to such a low level that any dump truck can get a job there.
She gave herself ratings? She also gave herself 5 stars on LEADERSHIP?
TML & CSS?
GTFO.
SQL?
Where in her resume does she have any experience with it?
Agile?
Does she think she's in an MMORPG?
I’ll have you know Angie is a 5 star jira user.
All the other JPMorgan employees were 4 stars at max. She will be missed.
Her life will so clearly be divided into a 'before' and 'after' with a stolen trashcan being the pivot point.
As a “freelance artist”, she probably could’ve painted her own trash can wi
Michelle "nothing but bitter" Obama had a similar but shorter job title at The University of Chicago Medical Center.
I suspect Chase has been wanting to get rid of her for a while now that DEI is out of fashion. But she was a literal DEI hire so the optics might have gone against them. But now, with this public act.....
NY:
"DAC (the insane leftist (D) winner in Brooklyn) has called for abolishing police, prisons, and borders. As recently as last week, she refused to back down on those views when given an opportunity: “All deportations are wrong,” she says, even for those convicted of a crime."
How was she going to transport that can back home? Car, bus, subway, uber?
Those are terrible trash cans. The point of a trash can is to hide the trash and the smell. They do neither. What you want is one of those Obama library types. They hide a lot of dirt.
Why an I getting the impression that the HR director at JPMChase just wiped his brow and went, "Whew!"
Jim said...
"...same here, but I was 16."
She's a late bloomer.
There’s video of her taking the subway with the trash can
https://youtube.com/shorts/oQkfNF3cSWc?is=HfGC8HZWDU0OhTPA
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"A reminder for people that don't know that JPMorgan Chase have massive title inflation for its employees. An "executive" here might not mean what you think."
Those of you defending her, would you hire her as an executive at a company you owned?
Kids doing dumb things, or even merely saying politically incorrect things, at 16 are having it follow them forever now because it's on the internet. That's not something we had to worry about when we were young and occasionally reckless.
"An "executive" here might not mean what you think."
Director of Trash Can Acquisition.
The Post story says she was stealing the trash can, but most others would say "without evidence".
@ Wilbur
DEI hiring is a protection racket. A handful of minority people would be hired for make-work jobs at ridiculous salaries, and in turn, the Al Sharptons and their ilk would leave the company alone. Failing to hire people like Ms. Baez would result in protests outside the company's headquarters until the payoff was made. It was easier to spend a million or two just to avoid the bad publicity.
This maybe more important than what we may think, when you hear that Argentina is allowing tech/financial industry titans to startup a new company there, entirely run by ai.
What does ai think is bullshit and does a human think is bullshit. btw I should note I have not verify this story about Argentina agreeing to house an ai... oligarch? That story could be bullshit all by itself.
"Director of Trash Can Acquisition."
A commenter there asked what could she possibly need with a trashcan. The answer came back: "for her popcorn". Ouch.
She wasn't stealing it. She was moving it to another location.
One impulsive act under these circumstances doesn't mean that she is a habitual offender and how do we know she's not ashamed of it?
Chase didn't pass over her because of this. They fired her. That's a big difference.
What would stop this person from stealing from their employer, especially if they felt they were justified, as I'm sure she did with the trash can?
I've been an employer for most of my adult life, and I've had employees steal a lot from me, well into 6 figures and that's only the fraction I know about. In hindsight, most of them were predictable from what I knew of their behavior outside of work, but at work, they know better than to let you see it. Some were family or friends, so it hurt to fire them, but you have no choice. I would have much preferred that they gave me an opportunity like this before they robbed me. People who do this, do it more than just once. It's a value system, not an accident.
If she truly wants to be a decent person, Chase did her a favor. Most of us go through many jobs in life. She'll get another. I've been fired for much less than this. I still deserved it, and I'm glad today that they fired me. I learned something every time, and I'm better for it today.
There are few things in life as valuable as failure.
"Some years ago I began thinking of the job as belonging to the employer, never the employee. The employer creates the job where none existed before. It belongs to the employer."
The whole point of unions is to create property rights in jobs. All your jobs are belong to us.
“But you would probably prefer to ridicule this lady who did something stupid and who, you may think, doesn't deserve her job, and you probably think it's her job, her erstwhile job, that sounds like bullshit.”
You know me so well.
The late anarchist anthropologist David Graeber claimed that 20% to 50% of the workforce holds pointless jobs, citing YouGov surveys where up to 37% of workers reported their jobs made no meaningful contribution. Other studies produced much lower figures in the range of 5 to 8 percent. I imagine people provide more circumspect responses when they perceive a possibility that their responses will come back to haunt them.
There is a contagion effect in pointless jobs associated with the urgent need that the holders of those jobs feel to create even more pointless jobs. Educational administration is only one example of this phenomenon.
She didn't have a job at the company that Chase acquired, but felt 'compelled' to not fire her, but found a job for her. this incident was an great excuse to get rid of dead weight.
Well you're certainly entitled to run your company the way you see fit. You wouldn't be out of line to pass on hiring her. The woman didn't do herself any favors by stealing the trash can. She may have a pathological sense of entitlement that extends to other areas of her life or she may have just been drunk and is normally able to resist the siren song of the public trash can.
A lot of employers will react the way you have. Others may go the other way and hire her just because she got fired by Chase. I wouldn't be surprised if Chase relents due to public opinion in NYC and keeps her around. If not, she'll probably sue and get a settlement.
From the video evidence, I suspect Chase had a problem with disappearing lunches.
American Express used to have a magazine division that owned titles such as Travel & Leisure and Food & Wine. It's the same as Chase owning The Infatuation, which is a restaurant website -- they want to encourage people to participate in pricey travel, dining and entertainment activities that they would pay for with the company's credit card.
A NYC judge probably can't even make her take the trash can back and pick up the garbage because of union rules.
“How would you have treated the January 6 protesters who entered the Capitol building when they found themselves in the middle of a crowd on a day that didn’t feel like other days?”
“The difference for me is that I’m not sure the J6 protesters knew they were doing something illegal and even if it was technically illegal it wasn’t destructive - with a few exceptions. “
I know that this is hard to believe, Ann, but most of the J6 defendants probably didn’t do anything wrong or illegal. Many, if not most of them were hit with Ham sandwich type LawFare inspired charges. Then the FBI and the DOJ prosecutors repeatedly lied about much of what happened. We knew that it was hinky at the time, but haven’t really seen proof of this really, until just this year, thanks to good work by Tulsi Gabbord, Kash Patel, and probably Dan Bongino (his focus was more on RussiaGate and related).
To start off, they lied about who the FBI had there, what video they had, and who and what set off the violence. These were very likely egregious Brady violations for many of the Defendants. A couple months ago, 5 years too late, the DOJ/FBI finally admitted that they had 274 FBI agents in plain cloths there that day. Some apologists claim that they were there for crowd control. Which is absurd since they would have been wearing their distinctive FBI windbreakers if they had been. Reality is very likely that they were dressed to fit in. Like the Tiki group at UVA. Also, admitted were several dozen of their contractors, agents, and CIs. Likely some of the agents provocateurs who were filmed provoking violence, then talking to LEOs. Along the same lines, the admitted knowing that at least two busses of AntiFA had been bussed in, and provoking violence is what they became famous for in the BLM riots. They would walk up to businesses, break glass windows or doors to allow the BLMers in, exhort them to enter, then walk away, to do it again nearby.
Then, the question of why the violence started? One big spark was the execution of Ashli Babbitt by Lt Larry Byrd. He was, of course, completely exonerated, despite violating federal law, the Constitution, and Capital Police rules. That was when the head of the Capital Police knew that it was going to get violent. Notably almost every firearm at the protest was in the hands of the govt that day. The protesters intentionally left all theirs home. Then LEOs started using supposedly sublethal munitions, and another protester died, and many were wounded.
It was a setup, from the beginning. It was to suppress the narrative that the 2020 election had been stolen. And it worked. It was intentional and planned. Neither the President nor the head of the Capital Police were in the loop, and knew what was going on. The FBI violated its own policies and procedures to do that. And both repeatedly requested the National Guard, and were denied. The DC mayor denying the NG was probably expected. She’s a batshit crazy leftist. But the Pentagon repeatedly did so on the grounds of “optics”. With perfect 20/20 hindsight, Trump probably should have had the Colonels and Generals involved relieved on the spot and arrested.
So, no, this was far different than the persecution of the set up J6 protestors.
Maybe it was her first time drinking tequila and she was in stage four and believed she was invisible.
Everything in Bruce Hayden's post @ 1:00PM is true and factual.
Strange how the media (D) won't touch it or go there.
I have a bit of sympathy for her because she was part of a celebratory crowd. I have seen no evidence, however, of contrition on her part (not that I've looked).
"How would you have treated the January 6 protesters who entered the Capitol building when they found themselves in the middle of a crowd on a day that didn’t feel like other days?"
Those that fought with cops should have been charged with assault and battery. Those that smashed windows and caused other damage, vandalism or destruction of federal property. Those that climbed through broken windows, trespassing. All others, no charges.
I am not a lawyer, so my charges may be a little imprecise, but you get the idea.
Baez has (probably wisely) not made any public statement about this matter.
NYC Sanitation has said the trash can was returned and no charges were filed.
I find it odd she could work for such a reprehensible, racist, misogynistic company that takes its namesake from John Pierpoint Morgan, the awful robber baron slave trader.
"In the early 2000s, an investigation by historian James Lide discovered that through parts of its business, JPMorgan Chase accepted thousands of slaves as collateral on loans made to plantation owners in the early 19th century, and that it ended up owning several hundred slaves."
> on a day that didn’t feel like other days?
That is as powerfully bullshit as anything else in this story.
Not helping her is that she was a holdover from an acquisition. She wasn't so much hired by Chase as came over with the company they purchased and given a similar role.
A DEI doing DEI things.
"How would you have treated the January 6 protesters who entered the Capitol building when they found themselves in the middle of a crowd on a day that didn’t feel like other days?"
I would have charged them appropriately and, in the case of non-violent offenders, allowed them to plead a sentence of 30 days and/or an appropriate fine. Their employers could decide whether to fire them, suspend them, or promote them. I would not have imposed 4 to 20 year prison sentences and denied bail, subjecting them to a rigged and hostile cabal of judges, prosecutors and juries.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Althouse serves up a reversed seared medium rare tomahawk steak. Comfort food for those suffering the embarrassment of Trump's unconditional surrender to the Mad Mullahs at Versailles.
And again, a story that has absolutely nothing to do with Trump ... somebody makes it about Trump.
TDS defined.
"Why is that so hard to understand?"
In order to support their worldview, some people (I'm not pointing a finger at anyone in particular here) need to pretend J6 was an insurrection. And you can't let insurrectionists off with a sentence of 30 days and/or an appropriate fine, now can you?
"Notably almost every firearm at the protest was in the hands of the govt that day."
...who was the fella with the long gun on the same side of the glass talking in Babbit's ear right before she was shot?
"How would you have treated the January 6 protesters who entered the Capitol building when they found themselves in the middle of a crowd on a day that didn’t feel like other days?"
...this sounds like the vague CYA slop intended to imply things that if stated would either have a robust retort or would not leave an 'out'...
Much more importantly than what would you do with the Jan6th protestors is what you would do with the government officials who planned, executed, and covered up such an un-American, illegal, corrupt, unconstitutional, and disgusting violation of every protection under the law leading to railroading, torture and other unforgivable atrocities of the whole foul stain on American history. The American people and their protections are what was attacked on Jan 6th, not the government or their fancy accoutrements paid for by the people with a heathy dose of grift all the way.
...I suppose the answer begins with 'I suppose if the Biden administration had locked xer in solitary and/or denied xer due process...'
Has JPMorgan Chase started a search committee to hire a new Executive Director of Community and Industry Engagement for Card and Connected Commerce? Or are they never going to hire a replacement, like Michelle Obama's replacement was never hired at the hospital she worked at? Is the job so important that no one else can do it?
Probably the first time in her life she's been held accountable for anything. Like Karmelo Anthony, an entire life of being excused and then - BOOM! Serious accountability. If you're read- and understood- Heinlein's lessons in Starship Troopers you understand what happened in both cases. No punishment during the formative years, then sudden accountability they're not prepared for. Sucks to be them.
I'm not a fan of the idea we're gonna make a lists of crimes acceptable to commit without recourse from your employer, especially since we won't all be subject to the same list...
What we're seeing is the complicated class dynamics and professional class blindness that afflicts the Democratic Party. These people just have the weirdest contempt for the working class. Seriously, someone has to clean up after that woman.
Let's not be like the Democrat pigs! Let's give a hearty hurrah to the people who clean up our cities and our sewage. Their work is essential and without them our cities would collapse under the weight of their own filth.
Did you know Jaye P. Morgan is still alive? 94 says the interweb...
Fired for cause, if you even need one there, and the cause is valid.
This weak kneed tolerance for illegal behavior is what rots a culture and weakens the soft protections of a society until the hard result come, and the same people then tolerate that too as they wonder how we got here.
Life imitates art. Alice's Restaurant Masacree: "Kid...what did you get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay fifty dollars and pick up the garbage."
Why are so many Americans fat? I don’t recall seeing so many fat people in the 70s and 80s.
We gave up smoking.
Will there be movie: MAN WHO SHOT ASHLI BABBITT
Will he be Senator one day?
"How would you have treated the January 6 protesters who entered the Capitol building when they found themselves in the middle of a crowd on a day that didn’t feel like other days?"
“I would have charged them appropriately and, in the case of non-violent offenders, allowed them to plead a sentence of 30 days and/or an appropriate fine. Their employers could decide whether to fire them, suspend them, or promote them. I would not have imposed 4 to 20 year prison sentences and denied bail, subjecting them to a rigged and hostile cabal of judges, prosecutors and juries.”
To start with, how do the arrests and sentences compare to those meted out to The Code Pink protesters? The other, more violent protesters, let off, often not even with a hand slap.
Why arrest the nonviolent protesters? They don’t do that to leftist protesters. What about people who didn’t even show up at the Capital that day? They were arrested too. What about the people welcomed by the Capital Police, and given tours?
"Why arrest the nonviolent protesters? They don’t do that to leftist protesters. What about people who didn’t even show up at the Capital that day? They were arrested too. What about the people welcomed by the Capital Police, and given tours?"
The left needs to maintain their J6 fable at all costs. If some people have their lives destroyed, it's a small price that the left doesn't have to pay.
"who was the fella with the long gun on the same side of the glass talking in Babbit's ear right before she was shot"
Just watched it. There wasn't one. One guy had a camera attachment or cane that looked somewhat like a gun barrel but wasn't.
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She’d generated so much publicity. He was sorry to see her go.
Rabel, there was at least one Capitol Police SWAT guy on the outside of the glass when Babbitt climbed through the hole. That's the "guy with the long gun." I have questions as to what the hell he was told to do - probably wasn't told anything, given the chaos - and what the hell he thought he was doing, chatting with the protestors and taking no action as they smashed the window and Babbitt climbed through.
And the SWAT guy's position made Byrd's decision to shoot even more borderline, as SWAT guy was in Byrd's cone of fire.
(full disclosure: I don't really villainize Byrd. His tactics were dodgy, but I don't think he committed a crime. Faced with a huge angry loud crowd willing to damage property and risk injury to themselves, literally crawling through broken glass to get to me, I might have shot the first one in hopes of stopping their advance. And he did stop their advance. I do villainize the people who apparently socially-promoted him up the ranks and forgave him for previous infractions that would have been broken off in the ass of white officers.) CC, JSM
Michelle Obama's UofC Hospital job was real. She was hired to leverage her husband's political connections to help keep impoverished South Side residents away from the hospital. If she wasn't replaced, it's because there weren't any black politicians' spouses available.
So she was basically a race traitor. How many young black men with gunshot wounds died because of Michelle's policies? CC, JSM
RCOCEAN at 9:21 says this stupid woman shouldn’t have been fired.
Ever hear of being an employee at will?
Can be fired for any fucking reason if you bring disrepute upon your company. And she did that. So that’s why she should be fired. I really wanna believe you aren’t that stupid but then again your statement says that you are.
Byrd used deadly force when no such force was threatening him or anyone else. An unarmed woman was shot dead. In most normal cases this would at least need adjudicated in court or plead out.
Live by the sword, DEI by the sword...
Maybe you need a Women in Shorts tag
bag, you and I can go grab our pistols and stand in front of a huge angry crowd advancing on us and showing their intent by breaking through glass while the police are right there. While the radios in our ears are full of panicked reports of similar crowds running through the building demanding to see and hang the people we're trying to protect. Even if the crowd was all naked and obviously unarmed, their mere numbers and actions support more than reasonable suspicion of an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm to us or others. I think you might shoot before me.
No one engages in the counterfactual: what would an unshot Babbitt have done? Probably opened the door from the inside and let the rest of the angry crowd in. Then what? How long do you give the crowd to show unmistakeable intent to hurt and kill?
In use of force, you can be 'reasonable but wrong.'
But I am angry that nothing about Byrd was 'adjudicated,' even in the court of public opinion, while cops like Chauvin and the ICE guys got railroaded in situations where their use of force was at least as obviously justified. CC, JSM
"who was the fella with the long gun on the same side of the glass talking in Babbit's ear right before she was shot"
“Just watched it. There wasn't one. One guy had a camera attachment or cane that looked somewhat like a gun barrel but wasn't.”
Ask yourself what would have happened if the Capital Police had seen a single gun, long or short, when Byrd murdered Babbitt? The answer is almost surely that he would have been proned out immediately, with multiple guns pointing at him.
“No one engages in the counterfactual: what would an unshot Babbitt have done? Probably opened the door from the inside and let the rest of the angry crowd in. Then what? How long do you give the crowd to show unmistakeable intent to hurt and kill?”
An unshot Babbitt would have been immediately apprehended by any one of Byrd’s minions on the other side of the glass. She was half their size, and, thus easy for any one of them to subdue.
You forget a couple things. First, physical contact had yet to be made with this group of protesters. And the Capital Police. They weren’t really bracing for contact with the protesters, but appeared to be more just hanging out, with groups of them on both sides of the divider. None of them really showed any fear of pending physical contact or confrontation. How did they even know that Babbitt would have been the least bit violent, when she succeeded exiting? I expect that she wouldn’t have been. And if the protesters had seriously considered violence, they would have sent a big male through first.
Secondly, because she was crawling through a hole at the time, the proper legal question was not whether Byrd feared the crowd, but rather whether he reasonably feared death or great bodily injury from HER. And being twice her size, and trained in apprehensions, the answer is obviously not.
Whatever fear the Capital Police faced, really didn’t start until Byrd gunned down Babbitt. It was the fuse that probably started everything. One of the things that the head of the Capital Police did after he heard “shots Fired” over the radio, was to (again) request the DCNG, with calls to them and the Pentagon.
Turns out that a significant number of NG troops had tried to show up on their own, but were stopped by their commanders a mile away - for the next couple hours, until it was safe for them to enter the Capital. They finally made their show of force well after they were no longer necessary. The excuse given by the Pentagon for refusing to let the NG stopped a mile away help out was, again, “optics”. The fix was in.
Also note that Byrd was the commanding officer on the scene. His job was to make sure that the LEOs there didn’t overreact, instead of triggering violence throughout the building, which is what he apparently did.
There was a picture of her emptying trash onto the street. And was she a junkie, an alcoholic, a drunken fan? No, she made up little stories that suggested using a JP Morgan card made you classy. But this little story showed that JP Morgan was not classy. It was trash. It emptied its trash all over all of us, i.e., on the public street, and told us to pick it up, i.e., pay sanitation workers to pick it up. And the excuse offered? Everybody is doing it. That's a great piece of experiential content to see coming out of JP Morgan marketing - the people throwing trash on the street are valued execs at JP Morgan. Wherever you see paper blowing about, soft drink cans tossed aside, KFC wrappers, think: JP Morgan has quite a lifestyle. If only I
I cannot count the times I've watched Code Pink invade and disrupt private political events and televised Congressional hearings, and they have never even been arrested for it. It's really very simple: they have most of the January 6 events on camera. Apply equal justice: let those doing nothing violent go with a warning, and apply normal standards of DC justice to those who did break things, even if they are FBI plants...let's have a newer, honest Church Commission, shall we?
I always informed police in advance when I infiltrated a violent leftist group, let them photograph me and my car and run my licence, and I understood that if I got teargassed or arrested, I would accept any punishment coming to me, though I avoided illegal acts, of course, and did the utmost to avoid being in the way of police action when things turned ugly.
Middle-class vandals do not deserve harsher bail and sentencing than street vandals, which in DC means a few community service hours at most, or no punishment at all. Unequal justice is prejudice.
Also charge Medea Benjamin and the other Code Pink leaders with treason for colluding with communist enemy dictators.
Isn't it curious that none of the many people who destroyed cars, set cars and people on fire, looted, and broke windows the night before the garbage pail incident while "celebrating" were not arrested? Where's the outrage over that?
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