"... and around the world. It massacred thousands of protesters this year. It imprisons and executes political dissidents. It oppresses women, L.G.B.T.Q. people and religious minorities. Its leaders have impoverished their own citizens while corruptly enriching themselves. They have proclaimed 'Death to America' since coming to power and killed hundreds of U.S. service members in the region, as well as bankrolled terrorism that has killed civilians in the Middle East and as far away as Argentina. Iran’s government presents a distinct threat because it combines this murderous ideology with nuclear ambitions. Iran has repeatedly defied international inspectors over the years. Since the June attack, the government has shown signs of restarting its pursuit of nuclear weapons technology. American presidents of both parties have rightly made a commitment to prevent Tehran from getting a bomb...."
But "Trump’s Attack on Iran is Reckless," in the estimation of The Editorial Board of the NYT (gift link).
There's a link on "massacred" that goes to another NYT article: "How Iran Crushed a Citizen Uprising With Lethal Force" (gift link).

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The Times that had been wrong on iran since 1979, that Times
Never an evil, repressive, regime the NYT won’t support.
It’s hard to know what is more irrelevant: the opinion of the bug-eyed NYT lefties on any subject….or flushed well-used toilet paper.
- Krumhorn
As I wrote earlier, there is no way the NYT EB convened overnight to compose this piece. It was written at a minimum several days ago, with the unifying foundation being a visceral rejection of any action by Trump.
With the first news of the strike, the editor just pressed "Send".
Again the dog returns to its vomit it has legitimized its actions from the beginning even hiding their actions as with tom friedman
Ah, as a famous Timesman once wrote, "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette". Some eggs being broken now in Iran.
'...Sure, they're evil, but...'
I got no problem with DJT Iran actions.
I am nervous, worried, and hope for the best.
But, as I am 55, compared to 34 when I joined active duty Army through an age waiver to participate in America's war efforts, I am able to sit this one out, guilt free.
Go Team America.
I hope this works. Islamic males, chi coms and corrupt dick heads named obama - hardest hit.
It is a Gordian knot but the evidence of the regimes nature is born out
The EB board didn't actually convene. They just went to Grok and input - "Trump is bad, Trump bombed Iran, go..."
Is this reckless because Trump did it? Be honest you NYT fuckheads.
This Iranian regime began in 1979 with an act of war against the United States by seizing our embassy and holding our diplomats hostage for over a year. They have done nothing since then to indicate that they no longer wish to be in a state of war with us. Directly and through their paid surrogates they have waged war against us and our allies, and oppressed their own people with unspeakable brutality, and destabilizing the entire region.
37 years of appeasement has not worked. Let's hope this does. Prayers for the success and safety of our military, our allies and the Iranian people.
But of course (tom hardy voice)
Reckless, or bold? Time will tell. Trump has an excellent track record so far.
The NYT board assembles a very good list of the reasons why attacking Iran is in fact a prudent and necessary action. And then its conclusion is counter-intuitive to its reasoning. They could have said this action is hazardous, which is correct. But it doesn't follow from their list that it's reckless.
FYI?
We don't really need your gift links...
If you click a story from their homepage, it gives you that subscription box blocking the story... but if you hit the back button and go in one two more times, it stops showing that box and gives you the full story.
We too can read what you’re choosing to pay for.
Real life workarounds for hungry readers...
hth. Never be reliant on propaganda gifted by wealthier Others if you can lift what you need for yourself
Right wing NEOCON MAGAS all cheering for the blood, righties love war, the neocon president picks the best time ,the Holy month for the people.Like dropping bombs during Easter. This was so see thru as I said weeks ago 2 things trump can do START A WAR, militarize the streets,bostruct the voting system, stiop voting when he sees fit. Lets conquer the world Constantine, put your name up everywhere. 666 PATCHES FOR ALL. Guess we wont be taalking about Epstein for a couple days. Republicans love war,,big $$$$ If you didnt see this coming your head is in the sand.All the righties who said cant wait to get trump in to stop the war.. What a freakin joke. WMD'S and Gulf or Tonkin and the Imperial kingdom. Miss lindsey is thrilled kill em all especially during the mid east EASTER MORE drama displayed,, just drop the BIG ONE why mess around war mongers couldnt hold it in. NO EPSTEIN THIS WEEK :(
planetgeo said...
The NYT board assembles a very good list of the reasons why attacking Iran is in fact a prudent and necessary action. And then its conclusion..
a fun thought exercise:
WHAT IF?
what if Josie Biden had done this? what would the NYTs said?
what if Barry O'Bama had done this? what would the NYTs said?
finally..
What if Donald Trump HADN'T done this? what would the NYTs said?
If folks are upset about Trump's (or any president's) overseas adventures, consider nuking the filibuster. It plays a huge role in preventing a president from scoring legislative victories. Ergo, once a president has done about all he can domestically with a telephone and a pen, naturally he'll turn to the world stage, where he has a relatively free hand.
The NY Times seems to indicate Iran's regime is very bad. Very very bad indeed. But Trump acting against this very bad regime is also very bad. No good anywhere.
On a local level, that is also the mindset that allows Democratic Governors, DAs, and city leaders to arrest, then let go of thousands of criminals every month.
What they do is very bad. But our trying to stop them is also very bad. So we do nothing. Maybe give them something to hopefully convince them to not be very bad.
And that is how you end up with a Barack Obama and John Kerry sending pallet loads of cash- Billions- to the Iranian regime, to keep doing what they do. Then turning to the American people and proclaiming, "See how good we are?"
And why Trump is the only President of the last 7 Presidents who has the balls to say, "Enough!" Enough to this poison that keeps killing millions.
Why is it so hard for so many to take the NYT seriously? It is made clear on a weekly basis.
The Dink reduced to jabbering incoherence yet again. Still looking for your pony in that steaming pile of Epstein shit, buddy?
I'm so tired of this fake, we're going to kill Iranians (Or whoever) because we don't like their Government. We claim they're not "Democracies" and therefore we have the right to murder them. We've been doing this forever.
Its always a phony reason. The reason we're attacking Iran is Israel wants us to. And all our poliiticians have been bought off by AIPAC. And because Pols love war. Bill Clinton used to cry bitter tears because 911 and the Iraq war didn't happen on his watch. Think of how exciting that would've been, Hillary!
Day ending in y
In terms of "Being bad" Irans Goverment is no worse than Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Eygpt or Jordon. Or 20 Governments in Africa. Is Trump gonna start a world-wide crusade to make the world safe for Democracy.
Man, it never ends. No matter who we elect we always get John McCain. Open borders and foreign wars.
If you want your descendants to know peace, 🙏 pray for parity in the region. Somebody has to check Israel's land thefts and war crimes. Thay can practice judaism without kiiliing off or driving out all their neighbors who worship Christ or Allah. If we can have religious co-existence here, we need not keep defending Israeli crimes to "protect" them from the consequences of wantonly killing unarmed children and women.
Shame on your soul for always unconditionally supporting the nationalistic jews, ann. Tom Palay would be proud of your indoctrination
Because Trump started it, you might get some D's to oppose it, so thank God for that. But make no mistake, the D oppostion will be half-hearted and feeble and primarily focused on attacking Trump not useless foreign wars.
Remember UKraine 2022? All the libtards were foaming at the mouth to "Kill Ruskiees". Pelosi was dreaming out loud of machine gunning Russian Tank Columns. Ukraine flags were everywhere.
So, except for the anti-war types like Jimmy Dore, Greenwald, the Young Turks, all the liberal/left opposition will be politically driven and used as a way to attack Trump. Not stop wars.
Supreme Leader’s compound demolished. Defense Minister and IRGC commander terminated with extreme prejudice.
The nation would be so much better if it were governed by the NYT editorial board.
Kier Starmer mustering his ultimate tepid best response: '... Let me be absolutely clear, the United Kingdom played no part in these strikes...' but we're doing everything we can to support them.....
Labor stands ready to either condemn or endorse the American actions, depending on how they turn out.
Oh that toff is still piping up
Starmer is no Churchill. But then again, England was still England in 1933.
Bug-eyed lefties boocoo dinky dao
- Krumhorn
Apparently, the Times's problem with Trump is that he has too many different reasons to take down the Iranian regime. Not focused enough. Too multi-factored.
This seems hasty.
Any chance of a Fed interest-rate cut in 2026 is ‘evaporating before our very eyes’ with Iran war set to stoke oil prices ~ Market Watch
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/any-chance-the-fed-cuts-rates-this-year-is-evaporating-before-our-very-eyes-as-iran-tensions-raise-oil-prices-18978691
Please note that the NYT could not simply say that the Iranian Regime oppresses its people, it had to list various so-called marginalized groups. It is a miracle that religious minorities made the list. What clowns.
The NYT is a propaganda organization only. No fair and balanced visible when slandering Trump is possible.
RCOCEAN II - We all know you hate Jews and Israel.
I will hypothesize, without evidence, that Saudi is quietly fully on board. I bet most of the Sunni world is on board.
Today’s Wordle: Trump
BB and DON the Con.. Cant believe people are so blind to whats really going on didnt see this coming a mile away. Talk about lack of deductive reasoning and handicapping a situation. Im sure the same people that love this are the ones that never served their country ,WILL MAKE ALL KIDS OF EXCUSES on why WAR is good and spit on the ones who came back from theater in the 70's, shouting baby killers etc. BEAUCOUP DINKY DAU :( 49% of country duped again.. )
"Reckless" -- NYT
Whew. Boffo.
RCOCEAN II said...
In terms of "Being bad" Irans Goverment is no worse than Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Eygpt or Jordon. Or 20 Governments in Africa. Is Trump gonna start a world-wide crusade to make the world safe for Democracy.
Man, it never ends. No matter who we elect we always get John McCain. Open borders and foreign wars.
Moral arguments are indeed stupid.
The interests here are whether having the Persians in charge of Iran would be better for America than the Shia muslims and whether it is worth the cost and risk of removing the mullahs.
The mullahs will not be difficult to remove and it will most likely take a day longer than it took to remove Maduro.
This on balance would make the juice easily worth the squeeze.
Any chance of a Fed interest-rate cut in 2026 is ‘evaporating before our very eyes’ with Iran war set to stoke oil prices
The Kakistophage needs to think this through a bit more. Just as with Venezuela, the impending lifting of sanctions following regime overthrow plus the need for oil revenues to rebuild the nation means that MORE oil will soon be flowing to the world market, not less.
I'm impressed by the absence of involvement by Russia, Turkey, Pakistan on Iran's behalf. Hezbollah and the Houthis have been largely neutralized by Israel thanks to the recent events in Gaza.
See:Who are Iran’s true allies and will they help if US joins the war? JUNE 21, 2025
Rachael Maddow complaining that Trump didn’t immediately turn on the Internet. I’m not kidding.
Frankly, I expected better from a FIFA Peace prize winner.
Can't believe they'd turn such a prestigious award into a farce!
Did the Headline Writer even read the Opinion?
Rookie move
I’m wondering if the Islamists who live among us in the US will see their future in the events of the past 24 hours.
Herr Schtarmer shows British backbone has migrated to stiff upper lip.
Wow, it's like the NYT editorial board are members of the GOPe:
Sure, it's a problem, but we can't actually DO anything about it!
Fuck you, no
RCO you are obviously very young. You must not have been alive in 1979 when Iran invaded our territory and took our people hostage. Or when they murdered our soldiers again and again over decades. Or when they assigned their terror groups to murder our soldiers in Iraq.
The Iranians were free and cosmopolitan and educated. The Islamists took all that away from them and they remember and long for it again. And have sacrificed a lot to overthrow their oppressors.
I get that you long for our Obama presidency where we kowtowed to the Islamists. I get that you wish we could send them billions more. I get that you wish Obama was successful setting them up as a nuclear power.
But we finally have a president who loves America and who fights from a strong America and for Western Civilization. And I get that you oppose all those things.
And of course that you hate JOOOOOS and you are sure that JOOOOOS are behind everything bad.
That's because you are a loser and lame.
Get a life. And get out of your parents' basement and get a job.
You are a real jerk. And a liar.
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