"... but for all Great Americans, and those people from many Countries throughout the World, that have been killed or mutilated by Khamenei and his gang of bloodthirsty THUGS. He was unable to avoid our Intelligence and Highly Sophisticated Tracking Systems and, working closely with Israel, there was not a thing he, or the other leaders that have been killed along with him, could do. This is the single greatest chance for the Iranian people to take back their Country. We are hearing that many of their IRGC, Military, and other Security and Police Forces, no longer want to fight, and are looking for Immunity from us. As I said last night, 'Now they can have Immunity, later they only get Death!' Hopefully, the IRGC and Police will peacefully merge with the Iranian Patriots, and work together as a unit to bring back the Country to the Greatness it deserves. That process should soon be starting in that, not only the death of Khamenei but the Country has been, in only one day, very much destroyed and, even, obliterated. The heavy and pinpoint bombing, however, will continue, uninterrupted throughout the week or, as long as necessary to achieve our objective of PEACE THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST AND, INDEED, THE WORLD!
"Thank you for your attention to this matter.
"PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"
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He might just pull it off. High risk move, but what an accomplishment it would be!
Somebody console Freder. Stat!
A little early to be spiking the football, Jim
'Hopefully' carries a lot of wait in this.
A foreign official was on internet video last week saying Trump's threats to Iran were meant to get the Iranians scrambling. Then, we could track there movements which would expose locations of equipment and leaders.
You have to measure how someone is evil when you say something like this.
Every leader of a country is responsible for suppressing the incompatible elements in their society.
In this case Khamenei is certainly far out of alignment with the people he ruled and suppressed. When you are killing, raping, and jailing women for religious reasons to force them to cover their hair this is different than throwing people in jail for murder.
Khamenie, with help from evil pieces of shit like Obama, funded violence and war in the region as well.
Killing this person will lead to a much more peaceful world as well as a generally better society in Iran.
What is Hillary's reaction?
Mark said...
A little early to be spiking the football, Jim
'Hopefully' carries a lot of wait in this.
It will work a lot better than shipping Khamenie pallets of cash.
We've had 8 Presidents since the Ayatollah(s) took over Iran. Why has it taken so long?
One story was he was prisoner at evin another said he had been trained at plu the soviet finishing school either could be true
Time for the remnant to board the planes to Moscow
>"Hopefully, the IRGC and Police will peacefully merge with the Iranian Patriots, and work together as a unit to bring back the Country to the Greatness it deserves."<
That's a "sweet" thought, Don. We'll see how easily the Secret Police and other Iranian thugs will merge the Iranian Patriots. Don't be terribly surprised if many of them merge with bullets.
The Godfather said...
We've had 8 Presidents since the Ayatollah(s) took over Iran. Why has it taken so long?
Because Iran provided the destabilization in the Middle East that kept oil prices high and peace from being possible.
Ice Nine said...
That's a "sweet" thought, Don. We'll see how easily the Secret Police and other Iranian thugs will merge the Iranian Patriots. Don't be terribly surprised if many of them merge with bullets.
Trump has always been too nice.
Barack H. Obama and Ben Rhodes hardest hit.
Trump knows Khamenei and his cohorts would have dashed off messages like this in 2024 had he not turned his head in Pennsylvania. He is all out of norms to observe. CC, JSM
Most overlook this hard truth:
Airpower alone has never achieved positive regime change.
Not rarely—never.
Leaders keep betting on it: bomb regimes into submission from above. Strike leaders. Stun the people. Force collapse.
History proves them wrong every time.Instead:
Regimes dig in deeper.
Nationalism explodes.
Revenge builds.
Still looking for that pony, Kakster?
Trump is one of the most productive people in history. Extraordinary man. Good luck to the Iranians.
It is ok, KKKak/Richsockpuppet/paidActbluetrollaccount:
We allow a leave of absence from your usual paid spamtroll posts for bereavement time.
We undertsand that your crimeboss paymasters in ActBlue and UNWRA just lot their biggest financiers.
Kakistocracy said...
Most overlook this hard truth:
Airpower alone has never achieved positive regime change.
Not rarely—never.
Leaders keep betting on it: bomb regimes into submission from above. Strike leaders. Stun the people. Force collapse.
History proves them wrong every time.Instead:
Regimes dig in deeper.
Nationalism explodes.
Revenge builds.
Keep hope alive retard.
Nobody likes the Shia.
President Trump again demonstrates why he will go down in history as one of our most consequential presidents, probably number three.
It sounds like a pipe dream: Decapitate and the people will rise up. At this stage, that's the best outcome, howe
Iranians in Los Angeles
https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/2027869150836625772?s=46
The difference between Free Palestine and Free Iran:
https://x.com/davidjharrisjr/status/2027808172489031909?s=46
A technical note, applicable, probably, to many situations going forward.
This Iran attack is a demonstration of the capabilities of the USAF state-of-the-art in SEAD (suppression of enemy air defense), as well as that of US national intelligence capabilities. Part of this was the participation of the Israeli F35's in SEAD, as the USN still lacks F35's and is less capable in SEAD. That is a weakness, but one that was compensated for in this case, by the participation of US-equipped Israel, which moreover has been instrumental in developing SEAD.
Also another demo of the extreme value of the F35.
In a larger sense it a demonstration of the weakness of Russian air defense, should they ever get into a tactical conflict with the US or NATO, a lot of which also has F35's.
Kkamenei and his direct reports were disguised as teenaged girls, hence RCOCEAN’s mistake on the other thread.
Mark is wrong. You spike the ball after a touchdown, and the TD has, indeed, been scored. But the game is not over.
Kaki is right, as far as he goes, but he assumes Trump and his advisers will sit back and wait for good things to happen, as his predecessors have done. Please join me in laughing at him. And spare some guffaws for RCOCEAN, Fredo, and Mark.
Reports coming in that the people have started taking over cities. I hope that's true.
Any word from Obama? He must be taking it worse than Kak…
"Ottawa today, in front of U.S. embassy #ThankYouTrump"
https://x.com/S0l_Mary0/status/2027886436549005529?s=20
The usual types are either celebrating the end of the war or promising Shia revenge. It occurs to me that both sides have been very light in their bombing, and both sides get something they want. Iran gets a glorious martyrdom for their Supreme Ruler, and America gets a tangible victory that justifies de-escalation. For all I know, Khameini died last week and this is President Trump establishing a chance for peace.
How marvelous.
Obama is worried the Iranian payoff records will end up in Trump’s hands.
Intense F-18 vs SAM video.
Note the bombs coming off the airplane at the start. Close one.
https://x.com/i/status/2027759851997483274
’…as well as that of US national intelligence capabilities.’
I imagine there are plenty of smiles in Ft. Meade this evening.
No matter what you think of any of this, one thing is clear -- Trump better watch his back. He's just increased the possibility of getting himself whacked by a substantial amount.
Most overlook this hard truth:
KakGPT. GTFO with that clipped-sentence, colon- and emdash-filled, AI generated slop.
A little early to be spiking the football, Jim.
The guy who claimed the USA shutout their opposition in the 1980 Gold Medal game fucks up another sports reference.
Go figure.
Accurate calculations of the balance of power are essential to national policy. That can be difficult without ongoing warfare, as periods without an active, violent contest of capabilities increasingly add to uncertainty; the advances in tech increasingly degrade prior knowledge. A long peace always screws up calculations of the military balance. Incidents like this Iran attack reset these uncertainties with a check against reality.
So now we know, much better than before, where everyone stands. The US is in fact much more powerful than most analysts have been assuming. Everyone needs to redo their calculations.
“No matter what you think of any of this, one thing is clear -- Trump better watch his back. He's just increased the possibility of getting himself whacked by a substantial amount.”
Maybe the Ayatollah should have thought in that vein when he ordered the hit on Trump.
BINGO as the wheels turn,,security issues for US ,no DUH!! just like trump planned,run it to the midterms, China joins US.-Iran war China sends deadly attack drones to Iran as big war begins in Middle East
China is arming Iran with attack drones, advanced missiles, and electronic warfare systems — right as the United States builds up its military presence for potential strikes against Tehran. Could this be the spark that ignites a new Middle East conflict?The tension comes after the 12-day war between Israel and Iran in June 2025, which left Iran’s air defenses and nuclear infrastructure severely damaged. Tehran is now scrambling to rebuild its military capabilities, and China has stepped in to fill the gap.Beijing has already delivered kamikaze drones, also known as loitering munitions, designed for precision strikes. At the same time, China is supplying air defense systems like the HQ-16 and HQ-17AE, and negotiating deals for supersonic anti-ship missiles and hypersonic glide vehicles. Analysts warn these weapons could threaten U.S. aircraft carriers, stealth jets, and naval operations in the Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf.This update was filed before Israel and US attacked Iran and war broke out. Only one country has more nukes than US, trumps buddy VLAD,,,(both have 1700 for immediate deploy but Russia has 500 more total) should be enough to do the "obliterate deal" AS TRUMP SAYS. VLAD IS STRETCHED THIN BUT NOTHING TO LOSE he is old and not doing well so skies the limit.time to cull the heard?j ,,dont get any bigger fire than flying Nukes. With someone like the Orange guy and his world of chaos, priming is right.
One tentative conclusion we might draw is that Russian air-defense radars actually suck, possibly because they were developed by Russian engineers, who are awesome at building a big hammer and then an even bigger hammer, or designing an assault rifle you can build out of tractor parts, but aren't so great at precision technology when they don't have either captive Germans making it for them or Communist Americans stealing it for them.
Yes they are right up there with acme (the coyote told me)
Remember when the English burned Joan of Arc at the stake, and France just gave up and stayed a vassal of England?
"Intense F-18 vs SAM video."
Wow! That guy was taking some serious Gs. Got to feel pretty good heading home.
The patriot radar array wasnt great as far kuwait and bahrain (no one is perfect)
Both the Bush and Obama administrations, arguably, failed to understand the US preponderance of power vis a vis Iran. They permitted cheap Iranian interference in Iraq, increasing US and Iraqi casualties, while they always, in fact, had the ability to stop it. They overestimated Iranian strength and underestimated their own.
"Airpower alone has never achieved positive regime change.
Not rarely—never."
Except it just did.
This is not just air power. There are millions on the ground. They just aren't us.
Loyal Democrat response: It is better to do nothing than to take the risk of doing something consequential.
It shocks me to think that today’s liberals think that is leadership.
So the post-bombing plan is a “hopefully.”
"Hopefully, the IRGC and Police will peacefully merge with the Iranian Patriots, and work together as a unit to bring back the Country to the Greatness it deserves." ~ Donald Trump
#BREAKING: Iranian officials say, “we’re interested in de-escalation.”
If Khamenei was one of the "most evil people in history" than what were Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Sadaam? Super-duper evil I guess.
Again sad that Trump has forgotten that he's supposed to be America First, not israel first. Iran is no threat to the USA, and we easily could get along with them but since Israel doesn't like them, we have to pretend they are the USA's enemy.
And again we get the same old tired rhetoric about "dictators" and "Democracy". Killing them all for Jesus. Or to make the world safe for Democracy. Or in this case, make the world safe for Israel.
Even if Trump gets his way this wont make life any better for Americans. This isn't our fight. And we'll gain nothing if we "Win".
How many Americans will die in the useless war? If its one, that's one too many.
"Reports from Iran say Israel hacked the regime's prayer notification app that everybody has .'
Users received messages like:
“The help is on the way”, and direct calls for regime soldiers to lay down their weapons and join their brothers."
Airpower alone has never achieved positive regime change.
Not rarely—never.
Don't forget Pink's War.
"So the post-bombing plan is a “hopefully"
That isnt a plan, that is a statement, which presumably is part of a plan. He's giving elements of the Iranian state a route of retreat. And the US/allies PR cover, in that its on the record that he offered them mercy. He doesnt need to, in the end, actually deal with them mercifully.
"Even if Trump gets his way this wont make life any better for Americans."
It already has as Iranian Americans celebrate in the streets.
Kak is cribbing his posts directly from X now without attribution. I saw one of his posts earlier today on X. We aren't aiming to create regime change by the use of air power. We are smashing the military infrastructure and political leaders which gives the Persians a chance to overthrow the government themselves, if they can. They've shown plenty of willingness recently, and they might just pull it off. We will not be doing it.
This is a COMPLETE DISASTER for Trump, and US all!
HOW can America (and Trump) remain HATED by the world,
IF he Keeps ousting hated dictators
This MUST Stop! Or Else!
or else people might forget that they are REQUIRED to hate
Both Trump, and The Great Satan (the USA!)
NEVER FORGET! Always remember what you are supposed to think!
“China is arming Iran with attack drones, advanced missiles, and electronic warfare systems.”
Precisely, Dinky Dau - that’s why sooner is better than later. Good point. Or as you would say - GOOD POINT.
"An Israeli strike has hit an elementary girls’ school in Minab, a city in the Hormozgan province of southern Iran, killing 108 people."
Yeehaw, that'll larn 'em. Miss Lindsey probably creamed in his pants. Patton had it wrong, Americans don't love "the sting of battle" they love murdering kids and old women by the thousands. Cf: dresden, hiroshima, and Gaza 2023-2024.
Oh well, any relative of any dead Iranians will thank us later for "Regime change". LOL!
Welcome to being the global top dog. The US cannot help being in this position, unless it deliberately gives away its power, by splitting up into several lesser powers say.
As top dog you have to deal with all the ambitious wannabes.
This year Don Corleone is settling all the family business. This piece should have been done in 1979.
Intake Clerk in Islam Paradise (flipping through index cards), "Khamenei, Khamenei, ahh, here it is."
"Stand over there and wait. I'll begin calling your virgins,
Helen Thomas,
Bella Abzug,
Madeleine Albright,
Dianne Feinstein,
Sheila Jackson Lee,
. . ."
"Wait, stop! This is ridiculous. None of this can be right."
"No, it's right, Ayatollah. You're a scholar of Islam. You know Allah is always correct."
Amazing that it's always a school or a hospital that's hit.
“Both the Bush and Obama administrations, arguably, failed to understand the US preponderance of power vis a vis Iran.”
I have a slight disagreement with this point if view.
Donald Trump spent years preparing the ground for this. The Accords. Visiting the Arab nations early in his second term in office. Then the strikes - testing Russian and Chinese reaction. Bush and Obama didn’t have the skills. So better they not make the attempt.
Iran’s current government has a strategy of hope, their only chance is if the 12th Imam shows up pretty soon.
My extended family of in-laws are Persian, mostly of the Bahai faith. They are gentle, peaceful and law-abiding people. They lived quietly in Iran, valuing family and education. They were merchants, engineers, professionals of varied kinds. They contribute to every society in which they live. So of course, they were hounded out of Iran by the Mullahs. If they owned businesses, these were taken from them. Mostly they escaped with the possessions they could carry. My sister in law held a lower middle-class clerical job in Yazd. When she arrived in America, she cleaned hotel rooms and then moved up to cleaning offices. That was how she met my brother.
The members of her extended family moved to the USA, Sweden, and Australia. They have been good members of each of those societies. Unfortunately, both Sweden and Australia have embarked on their own projects of importing large numbers of Muslims so those places have become less safe for gentle people who cause no trouble for anyone.
So, I stand in proud sympathy and solidarity with all the Persians who dance in the streets today, in whatever nation they find themselves. If we have finally rid the world of this cancerous monstrosity, it marks a wonderful break from the hideous, murderous reign of Islam.
I would like to thank Kamala Harris. She is personally responsible for the improving economy and a well executed drive towards rationalization of the Middle East.
hawkeyedjb: well said
"An Israeli strike has hit an elementary girls’ school in Minab, a city in the Hormozgan province of southern Iran, killing 108 people."
Usually these stories turn out to be false, or exaggerated, but did you forget that this regime just killed 30,000 innocent Iranians? Whatever your emotional play here was, it's pretty tone deaf.
’Beijing has already delivered kamikaze drones, also known as loitering munitions, designed for precision strikes. At the same time, China is supplying air defense systems like the HQ-16 and HQ-17AE, and negotiating deals for supersonic anti-ship missiles and hypersonic glide vehicles. Analysts warn these weapons could threaten U.S. aircraft carriers, stealth jets, and naval operations in the Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf.’
Iran must be saving those weapons and defense systems for a war to be named later, because it seems to be one-sided at the moment.
The IRGC hit the girls school. Just like they hit the airplane after Trump whacked Soleimani.
Only dipshits believe the IRGC. Now over to you, Tucker
"Intense F-18 vs SAM video."
Seem a defective SAM proximity fuse.
"the USN still lacks F35's"
US Marine Corp F-35C's with the squadron the VMFA-314 Black Knights are deployed on the USS Abraham Lincoln CVN-72 in the Arabian Sea right now.
"Usually these stories turn out to be false, or exaggerated, but did you forget that this regime just killed 30,000 innocent Iranians? Whatever your emotional play here was, it's pretty tone deaf."
And your basis for the 30,000 "innocent" Iranians is what? The US press? And I don't remember you getting upset at the 80,000 innocent Gazans killed by Israel.
LIke I said, I'm all the dead Iranian parents will be glad their kids died for regime change. Wouldn't you?
As for exaggerated, they've posted the videos online. If its 50 instead of 100, thats 50 too many. We wont know the true body count till later. And we don't have the US military body count either.
The hamas apologist youre joking
"This year Don Corleone is settling all the family business. This piece should have been done in 1979."
Exactly. Once it became clear that the Iranian government would not force the "students" to release the 53 American hostages promptly, Carter should have asked Congress for a declaration of war against Iran. If he had, the last 45 years would have been very different -- and almost certainly much better.
Re. "airpower never..." Japan, in 1945, decided to give that matter the benefit of the doubt. Of course there was not so much regime change as regime re-orientation. We can never thank MacArthur and Hirohito enough for that.
Regarless of how the Iranians end-up being governed, the idea that the IRGC will get a free pass by laying down their arms is nonsense. Too many scores to settle.
Syrians in Hom also celebrated the death of Khomeini. He wasn't a popular guy.
"At the same time, China is supplying air defense systems like the HQ-16 and HQ-17AE"
Iran is figuring out that ordering an air defense system off of Temu wasn't a bargain after all.
The accuracy of Islamist rocketry seems to be kinda like the quality of Russian radars or the effectiveness of Arab militaries.
"US Marine Corp F-35C's with the squadron the VMFA-314 Black Knights are deployed on the USS Abraham Lincoln CVN-72 in the Arabian Sea right now."
Thats the only F35 squadron on the Lincoln, the rest are still F18s.
The USN was behind the curve in procuring F35s.
Eva Marie wrote: "Donald Trump spent years preparing the ground for this..."
I agree. I would just add that the single biggest thing that Trump did was unleash U.S. fossil fuel production. Having us go from a net importer to a net exporter massively reduced the power of Iran. Shut down the Strait of Hormuz? Knock yourselves out. Most of that oil is going to China, anyway.
Give 'em a week folks... and the Iranian military thugs will slink away. It’s not a war folks. It’s a rescue mission.
A rescue mission for 90 million hostages — 47 years in captivity.
God bless Trump, the Iranian people, and Israel... FREE IRAN!!!
"Intense F-18 vs SAM video." Grok says the footage is simulated gameplay from War Thunder.
Dammit! Everything is bullshit. Now to think of it, who was the camera man for that. That's always the first clue, and I missed it. Doh!
Poor l'il RCO, he seems enamored of the concept beating a dead horse continuously will restore it to life
What I've seen over 40 years now is that the people who want to go into 'International Relations' or the diplomatic service ALL believe, as an article of faith, that the solution to all international problems is for the U.S. to compromise more, to give antagonists more of what they want. 100% of the people I knew in college who are now working in this area and 100% of the students I've taught who followed the Political Science / Intl. Relations track or who applied for or received Rhodes, Marshall, Truman, or Udall scholarships talked about how, when they had power and influence, they would have us preemptively compromise, retreat, capitulate, and pay for things so that we could "generate good will" or "rebuild respect."
The idea that starting with an extreme position was better for bargaining was completely foreign to them, and the idea that there could be sticks as well as carrots was utterly distasteful.
I don't think I can adequately express how UNIVERSAL this mindset was.
And now it turns out that when some regime spends almost 50 years taking hostages, bombing barracks, arming your enemies, carrying out assassinations and terrorist attacks, supplying IEDs to paramilitaries in Iraq that killed and maiming thousands of Americans (who, by the way, were not in IRAN)*, and chanted "Death of America," you don't have to just sit there and take it, or send pallets of cash to Tehran and kiss the feet of the Mullahs like Obama enjoyed doing so much: You can just kill the people who have declared war on you.
Its almost like how you can stop an influx of illegal immigrants just by shutting the border down and/or building a wall, and you don't need a fake 'comprehensive solution'.
There are some problems in the world for which there aren't 'common sense' solutions that are obvious to everyone who hasn't self-retarded, but it's been so long since the U.S. government has used any common sense that there's just a huge amount of low-hanging fruit for Trump to harvest.
And no, our loathsome establishment will NEVER forgive him for showing that not only aren't the people in the parade not wearing beautiful robes: they are a particularly ugly, flabby, wrinkled, and scabby mob of naked failures.
*Mullah-apologists: could you explain how providing weapons and logistics to attack U.S. troops in IRAQ wasn't an act of "aggression and war" by Iran?)
Sorry, RCOCEAN, the missile that hit the school was an Iranian missile that misfired. That must be very disappointing to you, that you can't blame the Israelis.
Seen on X: Muslim countries that support today's U.S strike on Iran: Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, UAE, Bahrain
Muslim countries that DO NOT support today's U.S. strike on Iran: France, United Kingdom
@ chuck
Eh. I shoulda known.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei won't be happy when he realizes that his 40 virgins are Microsoft tech support guys.
I don't care if any of our missiles hit a school or hospital. My only regret is that those buildings weren't full of the Dems from the SOTU.
The Jew haters are out in force here .... and shrieking their anti-American bonafides. Obama is in mourning and may Jimmy Carter's memory remain tarnished forever.
And the media: “a revered man of prayer and faith, a religious leader of the Iranian people whom he saved from the corrupt Shah of Iran. During President Carter’s term in office, this idolized man hosted a large group of American diplomats and provided them a safe haven during the overthrow of the Shah, graciously giving them an all-expenses paid plane ride home to newly-inaugurated President Reagan”.
RCOCEAN II said...
"Usually these stories turn out to be false, or exaggerated, but did you forget that this regime just killed 30,000 innocent Iranians? Whatever your emotional play here was, it's pretty tone deaf."
And your basis for the 30,000 "innocent" Iranians is what? The US press? And I don't remember you getting upset at the 80,000 innocent Gazans killed by Israel.
there are always people dying.
The only real question is what comes next.
LIke I said, I'm all the dead Iranian parents will be glad their kids died for regime change. Wouldn't you?
The Iranian people were willing to die because they were starving and dying of thirst. Just like in Venezuela you have another nation of people that appreciate what we just did.
The only thing you are feeling right now is anger because you are wrong and your pride is hurt.
You are just being purposely ignorant of what was going on in Iran.
RCOCEAN II said...
"An Israeli strike has hit an elementary girls’ school in Minab, a city in the Hormozgan province of southern Iran, killing 108 people."
Yeehaw, that'll larn 'em. Miss Lindsey probably creamed in his pants. Patton had it wrong, Americans don't love "the sting of battle" they love murdering kids and old women by the thousands. Cf: dresden, hiroshima, and Gaza 2023-2024.
Oh well, any relative of any dead Iranians will thank us later for "Regime change". LOL!
I hope you feel properly chagrined posting this after learning the truth.
Kak: Most overlook this hard truth:
Airpower alone has never achieved positive regime change.
Not rarely—never.
So anything that has never happened can never happen? Are you sure about that?
But leave that aside, airpower is clearly, and explicitly, being used to create the conditions for the Iranians to rid themselves of Sharia supremacist tyrants.
Bob Boyd said...
Intense F-18 vs SAM video.
AI bollocks.
RCOCEAN II said...
"An Israeli strike has hit an elementary girls’ school in Minab, a city in the Hormozgan province of southern Iran, killing 108 people."
According to whom?
Alex, I'll take things that never happened for $2,000.
buwaya said...
Both the Bush and Obama administrations, arguably, failed to understand the US preponderance of power vis a vis Iran. They permitted cheap Iranian interference in Iraq, increasing US and Iraqi casualties, while they always, in fact, had the ability to stop it. They overestimated Iranian strength and underestimated their own.
They understood the preponderance of power. We could have wiped out the Taliban in months. Bush held us back too.
They just didn't want to win. They both wanted a forever war. Barrack Obama actively tried to get as many of us killed as possible. Obama shipped the Mullahs pallets of cash knowing it would help the regime kill people.
Their goal was a destabilized middle east and constant warfare and division.
It does seem sometimes as if Bush and Obama wanted forever wars, and in terms of what they actually did, they might as well have wanted forever wars. But I think the reason wasn't pure malice (and I don't buy the 'to support the military industrial complex' line; Obama didn't give a crap about the military-industrial complex), but was the worldview of the foreign policy establishment: the solution for most problems is for the ostensibly more powerful entity to preemptively make concessions to the supposedly weaker entity. This is a matter of absolute faith among those people.
Remember Bush Sr. with the whole "we don't want to gloat" over defeating Iraq and then feeling bad about the 'highway of death,' and refusing to press our advantage or achieve a full victory. Foreign Policy people all believe that if you make magnanimous gestures, you gain so much imaginary 'soft power' that the bad guys will become your friends.
Obama seemed to think that we should play Balance-of-Power politics but not for our own advantage but for the advantage of some never-articulated abstraction. If we helped Iran become strong enough that it did not have to fear our power, then instead of trying to murder more of us, Iran would become friendly.
You have to be a midwit pseudo-intellectual to make yourself believe anything that stupid, but, well, if the midwit shoe fits. . .
Prof. M. Drout said...
“You can just kill the people who have declared war on you.”
Prof. Drout and Pres. Trump have arrived at the straightforward and correct solution.
The Iranians are shooting missiles at Israel but not a lot. Also shooting missiles at a lot of Arab countries with US bases byt again, not a lot of missiles. Khameni is dead along with several leaders who gathered for a meeting. Knock, knock. Who's there? 72. 72 what? 72 virgins.
To the leftists (eg Kak) and the Jew haters and Islamists (RCOcean):
The obvious glaring difference between this and "hope" and Iraq is that the Iranian people largely despise the Islamists and long for freedom. They have a long proud history of education, success, modernity and long for it still. They suffered rape, torture, and murder at the hands of their oppressors back when Obama was our president but unfortunately Obama advocated for the Islamist terrorists, not for freedom and not for America. In the immediate past Iranians put themselves at risk again for torture, rape, murder, for the sake of freedom.
This could not be more different than Iraq. The Iranians have already shown how much sacrifice they are willing to make for freedom.
That people like RCOcean have no sense of justice that we have yet to pay back the Islamists not only for invading US territory in 1979 and holding Americans hostage, but for murdering our soldiers in Khobar Towers, murdering our soldiers in Iraq, pirating our ships under Obama, etc ...
That you have no apparent sense of justice and injustice at what we suffered at the hands of Iran should be embarrassing for you. But no... it's always the Jews with you isn't it? You are an embarrassment.
RCOcean re missile attack on the girls' school... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that at the time you posted you did not know it was an Iranian missile failure. But your white-hot hatred of Jews must raise the question you knew it before it was posted but hoped the lie would not be called.
Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
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8h
🚨 BREAKING: Iranian women are DANCING in the streets with NO hijabs to be seen
The Islamic regime's oppression of women is coming to a close!
It's disgusting so-called "feminist" liberals at home would call this "Islamophobia."
FREEDOM 🇺🇸🇮🇷
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2027912111016337741?s=20
Evil dictators hate this one trick…
‘Microsoft tech support’ - nice one, Kak
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