Said a statement from the family of Virginia Giuffre, quoted in "Virginia Giuffre, Epstein and Prince Andrew accuser, takes her own life/The mother of three died aged 41 in Australia, her family said" (London Times).
She was one of the first women to publicly accuse Epstein, who died by suicide in 2019 in a New York detention facility awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges....
They keep using that word. Without scare quotes.
"Giuffre told the Miami Herald in 2019.... that she had confided in Epstein and Maxwell about being sexually abused as a child and running away from home. 'They seemed like nice people so I trusted them, and I told them I’d had a really hard time in my life up until then,' Giuffre said."
Meanwhile, last month, Giuffre wrote on Instagram that a school bus had hit her car and that she only had 4 days to live. Giuffre and her husband had separated and were fighting over custody of their children Christian, Noah, and Emily.
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How truly sad. Of course none of us will truly know the details, so in the spirit of grace let's not over-speculate. But it does seem pretty clear that her demons predated her encounter with Maxwell and Epstein.
how WILLFULLY ignorant, do you Have To BE?
to think that all these Clinton "suicides" are voluntary?
In the same breath, and with no evidence, they will claim Epstein also killed himself.
He did not.
Let's all remember as we note this poor girl's passing that US Attorney General Pam Bondi has a list of Guiffre's rapists sitting on her desk and is refusing to release it - protecting this girl's pedophile rapists.
Seeing the smiles on the two adults in that photo is worrying.
One cannot be too skeptical...
“Lost her life to suicide” sounds like a passive event, that she was not the perpetrator.
Would “lost her life to depression” be better? May be more accurate and nuanced.
Breezy said...
“Lost her life to suicide” sounds like a passive event, that she was not the perpetrator.
I gather that that's the point. "Committed suicide" is no longer in the style guide nor in the parlance of polite company - people "die by suicide" instead. It bugged me at first because it seemed like another example of pathological compassion, but I think I've come around to just compassion, for the most part.
It does, however, minimize the harm that people who "die by suicide" do to those they leave behind. I remember when it was common for survivors to be told that they had every right, and that it was natural, to feel angry at the person who had left them; now, not so much, I guess.
I and my family are exceedingly lucky not to have been affected by suicide, at least not for two generations. Plenty of depression in the family here and there, but somehow everyone has been toughing it out since 1972 or so.
Another victim of liberalism.
Jamie said...
"It does, however, minimize the harm that people who "die by suicide" do to those they leave behind. "
you should talk to the people that killed her then..
THEY are the ones that did the harm.
Y'all DO Know, don't you? that they hit her with a bus last week?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yl5vle2nmo
"she had suffered kidney failure after her car collided with a school bus, stating doctors had given her "four days to live" and were transferring her to a specialist hospital."
"They added that a 41-year-old woman was declared dead at the scene. The death is being investigated, but early indication is that it is not suspicious."
Of course it's suspicious.
Guiffre was the first person to go public about Epstein and his honey pot operation that implicated many of the rich and powerful.
Epstein's death should be noted as, "died under mysterious circumstances in federal prison."
The rich and powerful are still not named. The recordings of what they all did exist somewhere and are probably still being used to exert influence.
Giuffre may have killed herself. It is hard to imagine the fortitude it took to expose Epstein's operation. Giuffre may have been unbearably disappointed at what seems like the final result of the ordeal.
you should talk to the people that killed her then..
THEY are the ones that did the harm.
No argument from me.
My point was generically about those left behind by people who suicide. Anger is, I understand, a common emotion for them, and they struggle with how to get through it. Rebranding the act, so to speak, as something that happens to people, a cause of death without a perpetrator, doesn't take that struggle into account.
But most assuredly, in this case, the people who victimized this poor woman are responsible for ALL this pain.
They keep using that word. Without scare quotes.
“That word” is “suicide.” Althouse gets it.
Some people just never seem to catch a break in life. Virginia Giuffre seems to have been one of them. Poor thing. If there is a merciful God and a Judgment Throne I hope she finally gets some slack cut for her.
I agree with Scott Adams that the real evidence, the videos, will never be released. Mike Benz has been arguing that the Intel agencies seek out political candidates early in their careers and advance their careers precisely because they are blackmail-able, precisely because they are compulsive perverts. This would certainly explain a lot.
passive voice, a terrible thing in this cold world, this was a deliberate act, but seeing as she made settlements with Prince Andrew, which probably involved the crown prosecution service, and we know what games they play,
Sure. Whatever....and the guilty pedophiles are living rich and free and don't care that they ruined so many lives.
"Rich men, poor men, leaders of the land!
See 'em with their trousers off, they're never quite as grand..."
Andrew Lloyd Webber got that one right.
FormerLawClerk said...
"Let's all remember as we note this poor girl's passing that US Attorney General Pam Bondi has a list of Guiffre's rapists sitting on her desk and is refusing to release it - protecting this girl's pedophile rapists."
Or, more likely, she's building a case that won't be summarily overturned by a judge, leading to appeals up the food chain.
Right, Bondi is part of the conspiracy. Everyone who doesn't produce evidence of the conspiracy is in fact part of the conspiracy.
Whatever is behind all of this must be even darker than what it seems. That's pretty grim to contemplate.
A dead Epstein conspiracy theorist shows up at the Pearly Gates. As part of the admissions process, St. Peter tells him one of the perks of heaven is that they will answer that one burning question you never got the answer to on earth.
The Epstein conspiracy theorist says, "Who killed Jeffrey Epstein?"
St Peter says, "Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide while awaiting trial in a jail cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City."
The Epstein conspiracy theorist looks down, furrows his brow and says, "Wow. This thing goes way deeper than I thought."
yes that answer seems improbable as was the death of brunel in la sante prison, sure it could have happened that way,
"being sexually abused as a child"
I thought as much last night, that someone had damaged her before E & M got to her. She also helped ensnare other girls, which must have weighed on her.
She was 17 in the picture with Andrew, of legal age in the UK, but it was essentially prostitution.
"Andrew Lloyd Webber got that one right."
Les Miz was not a Webber show. It has more than one memorable tunes.
Speculations aside, two things are clear: The Epstein files have not been released, they could be, it was promised, and the same is true of the January 6th tapes. Que paso? Put up, or shut up.
I'm sorry Giuffre felt the need to do this.
It is not exactly unheard of for someone who has a terminal disease and is given only days to live, to commit suicide. But of course, as this situation seemingly demands everywhere, the implication must be that Giuffre did it because of her history of sexual abuse. The latter idea is conceivably true but about as convincing as the idea that she as a "17 or 18" year-old who voluntarily went to Epstein Island, was a (smiling) sexual abuse victim there.
The media are so intent on labeling this "suicide." Like the frequent use of "without evidence," it only makes people think that the papers are lying, and that it was suicide.
Last line should have 'custody' not 'custon'.
If the family wants to use passive language to describe what happened, who are we to complain?
On the substance, I got nothing.
The latter idea is conceivably true but about as convincing as the idea that she as a "17 or 18" year-old who voluntarily went to Epstein Island, was a (smiling) sexual abuse victim there.
"Grooming" is a word that comes up a lot in cases like this. I'd hold back on conclusions about how she got there, as I'd hold back on conclusions about other aspects of this matter.
A victim of a queer sexual orientation. #LustAbortionWins
Legal under Democratic law and progressive principles of religion.
The poor woman was all over the shop mentally, which wouldn't help a marriage. Also, take the "terminal disease" thing with a pound of salt. The coroner will have more eventually.
@ nn- While it’s disturbing to many, I wouldn’t say that there is anything “queer” about sexual attraction to a 17 or 18 year old of the opposite sex. It is, however, lately out of style and profoundly demonized it the younger person is female. Bonnie Blue, on the other hand, makes her fortune with thousands of “barely legal” males who assuredly are traumatized for life by the experience
Ask Bilbo Barr about it.
Nope, AP. Suicide didn’t act on you, you took the action. Your personal decision was, you elected to kill you. You ended your life. YOU did it. You committed suicide. (Except for probably Giuffre)
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