He added that Ukraine “must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means.”
November 16, 2024
"It is certain that the war will end sooner with the policies of the team that will now lead the White House."
Said Volodymyr Zelensky, quoted in "Trump’s victory means war will end sooner, says Zelensky/Ukrainian president said he had had a ‘constructive’ conversation with the US president-elect and he had heard nothing ‘that goes against our position'" (London Times).
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In other words, we will have a POTUS with the ability to face reality.
Oh, and Trump does not have the financial investment in Ukraine that enriched the Bidens.
Meade, break-out that Trump releasing a bird of peace t-shirt.
Zelensky can see the handwriting on the wall for Ukraine. The question is how to get Putin there. It's certainly going to cost Ukraine the territory that Russia currently occupies. Maybe Putin can declare victory wand walk away, but I doubt he will. The only lever we have is to really blockade Russia's oil/gas shipments - nothing gets out to the West. I have no idea how to enforce it, but that's better than US boots on the ground.
Should have investigated Biden when you were given the chance, bro. Das vedanya.
Ukraine has been a CIA puppet state since Victoria Nuland’s 2014 coup. Zelensky knows the rug is about to be pulled out from under him. He’s negotiating for a posh retirement in Miami Beach as opposed to the fate of Ngo Dinh Diem.
Things are going to fundamentally change. Trump is going to try to rid the CIA and the military of the neo-cons who actually want a nuclear confrontation with Russia.
♫What a difference election day makes♫
♫Twenty-four little hours♫
Turns out waste-of-money puppet Crook Joe and his war mongering money whore Cheney losers are ---- going to lose.
So the war has gone from being a twilight struggle against the pitiless onslaught of tyranny to a lottery to see who can be the last Ukrainian killed in the service of Zelensky's ego. With a special prize for last Ukrainian hideously maimed.
A Sudanese Spring is clearly unsustainable. So, will Ukraine receive the South African treatment or divided in a two-state solution a la Serbia and Kosovo. Will Russia be satisfied with a Kiev led by Zelensky's Hamasidols?
The price of oil is about to go down again. This will cripple the Russian government who is dependent on oil export.
Trump will hold plenty of cards economically and Russia will be brought to heel.
War is actually the worst way to fight Russia right now unless you are a war profiteer.
So far none of the events of November feel like a mistake. Rather, the correction of one…
He could have left Ukraine when Biden offered him a flight out, but he stayed to fight, unlike which ever corrupt tool of the deepstate was President of Afghanistan. So I think, for all his flaws, he is a Ukrainian patriot.
All the little birdies are going to start singing in the Spring.
A lot of foreign money laundering is going to see the light of day soon.
Zelensky is a tool. Boris Johnson and Joe Biden own all of that blood and death.
In the woke of the Slavic Spring, we must remember what difference, at this point, does it make? It is a "burden" of progressive consensus. Abort. Sequester the carbon remains. Force a climate change.
You got to dance to the tune of the one taking you home. The one who brought you got lost in the shuffle.
I bet Putin would be delighted to have an excuse to walk away with some nominal gain that he could call victory.
The war was two wars. The one on the ground and the economic one. With increased American oil/natural gas production imminent, the latter war is about to become even more disastrous for Putin.
He says it liked it’s a bad thing. Lets give peace a chance.
Trump himself has been cagey on the issue. I don't think that is accidental, he is keeping his options open. We will see.
Weren't Ukraine and Russia ready to enter negotiations before Boris Johnson sunk that possibility? My guess is there's a truce and negotiations after Trump gets in. I could be wrong, though. Trump's appointees, hardline on the Middle East, may turn out to be hardline on Russia and Ukraine as well.
FWIW, Youtube has Zelensky's 2013 Moscow New Year's show on Russian state television. Russia loved him back then.
some serious questions
* how many THOUSANDS of Ukrainians have died in this farce?
* how many TENS of Thousands of Ukrainians have been crippled in this farce?
* what Ever happened to that one commenter here? you know? the one that acted like he was a CIA operative, but was really just a 14 year old kid, living in his mother's basement? Where'd HE go?
And recognize reality. Not sure where Biden is in regards to that.
And why would they do that? Russian rule sucks, and is marked by executions, genocidal policies, and deportation of whole populations to bad places. There is nothing new about that, and the surrounding countries have memories. If you want to cry about Ukrainians, send them more weapons.
The Art of "Nudge"...
(remember "nudge"?... it was similar to "lean in".)
SOP for Trump.
We are in an era when we face a strong possibility of armed conflict with China. We have weeks (at best) of critical war supplies and the means of delivering them. Halting the war in Europe (and the Iranian/proxy attacks in the middle east) would go a long way of our resupply. THAT, in turn would make the armed conflict with China less likely.
Remember when the Iranians returned the hostages just in time to avoid a Reagan response, or perhaps just late enough to sink a 2nd Carter term? Is Putin smart enough to keep his own head?
The world is already making pre-inauguration adjustments to Trump. Here in America, the Democrats and their communications division we call 'the media' are still at war with all of America that voted for Trump. And still attacking Trump.
The world is getting ready to come to meet Trump, to get the world moving forward again.
Our progressives still think they missed it by that much.
i don't think you read me "chuck" i do NOT support giving weapons to Nazis
I say Trump is going to win the Nobel peace prize!
(in spirit)
So much winning and ain’t no ways tired.
All Trump needs to do is shut down the rampant, shameless, naked commerce that's been going on for the past 4 years, then everyone will lose all interest in continuing the conflict. Dumbest war ever.
I think all Russia wanted in the beginning, before the overthrow of the democratically elected pro-Russian president in 2014, was control of Crimea and no NATO on their doorstep. Then the U.S. and UK, with other EU support, started fucking around. The Ukraine was left holding the bag.
IMHO, the Russian nation is paranoid and yet no nation wants to repeat Napoleon's or Hitler's mistake in the Rodina. The West FA with the Bear and Ukraine had to FO. I would hate to see a true partition of the Ukraine.
Literally Hitler, eh. That chicken has been royally flucked by the Democrats, I am not sure you want to join that train.
Conditions are so different now than they were when Trump said he could "end the war in a day" that it is almost like a different world. Zelensky keeps doing this fan dance with the prospect of building a nuke.
First he tells Trump that if the US pulls out, Ukraine is going to build a nuke. Ukraine denies it plans to build nukes.
The plans on how to build said nuke get leaked.
Ukraine denies that they are going to actually build one.
One source who has been right most of the time concerning military issues in the war, at least that is how he is described, says that Ukraine has a team working on the problem of building a nuke right now in a Soviet era deep underground bunker near Romania.
It seems like actually carrying such a plan to fruition would require a large program that everybody in the world with any kind of satellite surveillance would be able to detect, so it''s probably a bluff.
But... Zelensky was talking about building nukes in front of both the Russians and Kamala Harris, and Harris just giggled about it.
The US is required, under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, to sanction any country that is developing nuclear weapons outside of the treaty regime, so Zelensky knows that even if the US finds out, the Americans can't really do anything about it without giving up hope of creating a platform for a first strike nuclear decapitation of Moscow. Oh, BTW, two weeks after Zelensky made this threat, Russia invaded.
It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. Russia has been invaded by the Mongols, the Swedes, the French, and the Germans. NATO has been repurposed from its original defensive justification to an every expanding aggressive military bloc that has overthrown governments in the Middle East and Africa, and even allowed in states that openly celebrate naziism, that would be Estonia and Lithuania, just to give Moscow heartburn.
If we are climbing into bed with honest to God, stiff arm saluting, shall we call them "ultranationalists" are we really on the right side of history?
"the surrounding countries have memories.."
Yeah, over stuff that happened 100 years ago, done by a country that no longer exists, and which granted Ukraine independence, as it fell apart, of course this did not include the right to join a military bloc hostile to Russia.
As for whether there are literal nazis in Ukraine, just us DuckDuckGo and set the date range to the time of the Maidan coup, and search on Ukrainian Nazis, and you will get lots of hits, here is one.
MARIUPOL, Ukraine — A volunteer brigade with self-proclaimed Nazis fighting alongside government troops against Russian-backed separatists is proving to be a mixed blessing to its cause.
Though the 900-member Azov Brigade adds needed manpower to repulse the rebels, members who say they are Nazis are sparking controversy, and complaints of abuses against civilians have turned some residents against them.
A drill sergeant who would identify himself only as Alex wore a patch depicting Thor's Hammer, an ancient Norse symbol appropriated by neo-Nazis, according to the Anti-Defamation League.
In an interview with USA TODAY, he admitted he is a Nazi and said with a laugh that no more than half his comrades are fellow Nazis. - USA Today, 2015
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/
It's all very interesting. Yes, we live in interesting times.
Wait, wait. How can Putin’s puppet mediate an end to Putin’s war of conquest? This does not add up.
The US is also required, under the Budapest Memorandum, to help Ukraine defend its 1991 borders, but 'Jaq' doesn't give a damn about that. And neither does whoever is running White House Ukraine policy. Nine-tenths of the aid promised and appropriated by Congress this year hasn't been delivered, including the Patriot battery promised in June. And the US just retired 152 Blackhawk helicopters in Europe and has been trying to give them away to various foreign countries, while refusing to allow Ukraine to buy them for cash at their full value, though they need them more than any of the other countries.
Of course, when 'Jaq' calls someone a "source who has been right most of the time" about any subject whatever, and doesn't give a link, or even name the source, we know it is no such thing.
A similar change of heart and hope followed when Trump replaced Obama, and confronted his legacy of ethnic Springs in the Middle East. Also with a Russian consensus and material support. Here's to a Slavic Summer.
Why would Putin want to walk away with nothing but a little territory and the certainty that NATO is going to come back and do the same thing in the future after it has a chance to correct its mistakes and arm up Ukraine again? Already the US is behind more color revolution attempts on Russia's border, this time in Georgia (the country), which passed a terrible law! That law said that foreign agents involved in politics in Georgia, including NGOs like the ones Soros funds, must report the source of their funding.
That's right, that's the law, and for this the US and EU are sanctioning the country, and backing a color revolution in the streets of their capital right now.
Oh yeah, and the other bad thing the Georgians did was to elect a government that would pass such a terrible law. It "goes against EU values." It's a "Russia style law." Of course the US has a very similar law, the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA, but ignore that!
Anybody who thinks that Putin would be happy to walk away with scraps has been getting their news from the hookah pipe, because the fronts are collapsing now, as we speak, and it's not the Russia side that is collapsing.
This war was among the stupidest things that the neocons ever did.
The US, under Budapest Memorandum was required not to use economic coercion against Ukraine, and guess what? It did, sanctioning their pro-Russian, at the time, government. The US tore up Budapest.
But face it, Ukraine was never any of America's business. Russia has never done anything to the United States by help us defeat the Nazis and sell us Alaska.
They took the other side in some wars we were fighting on their continent is about it. Wars that were none of our business. They never took the other side in any wars in our hemisphere.
The rest of those nuclear threats and walk backs, the Zelensky fan dance, are matters of public record. Even if you throw out that anonymously sourced tidbit, that came from a video, and sure, it might be fantasy, but even if you throw it out, just from Zelensky's three public statements, well two, and one leak to the media, it makes perfect sense that he has a project going on to develop a nuclear warhead. It's an obvious strong inference.
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