What good would it do Putin to lie about this? Does the NYT know that it's not a lie? What good would it do the NYT to report this as a fact if it were not verified?
February 16, 2024
"We have no reason to believe state propaganda. If this is true, then it’s not 'Navalny died,' but 'Putin killed Navalny,' and only that."
Said Leonid Volkov, Aleksei A. Navalny’s longtime chief of staff, quoted in a NYT article that seems to need a better headline, "Aleksei Navalny, Putin Critic, Dies in Prison, Russian Authorities Say/The opposition leader, who was poisoned in 2020, had spent months in isolation" (NYT).
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NYT reports on Biden and American citizens incarcerated for political protests.
Then Zelensky killed journalist and US Citizen Gonzalo Lira, and only that.
Putin and Biden are similar.
Defeating all prospective enemies and critics - by use of legal warfare, imprisonment, lies and slander... even death. all the same when it comes to the power-mad.
I have no idea. Putin could have / probably killed his rival. OK. America is holding political prisoners from the fake J6 insurrection, and Biden is trying to throw his leading opponent in jail.
Who gives a shit?
These crazy people all want escalation and a NATO war against Russia. More than likely to cover for Western corruption and control on energy.
They now conveniently claim Russia can launch a hypersonic nuclear missile from space. We're supposed to believe Russia is losing a conventional land war against Ukraine, but at the same time passed the US in space weapons technology.
Obligatory:
Navalny didn't hang himself.
There's a lot of usefulness in ambiguity and deniability. Putin gains nothing by admitting it was a state act.
That man just could not hold his polonium
It seems a distinction without a difference. You execute a political prisoner or you put a political prisoner in conditions where they die, c’est la même chose…
Never forget Navalny wanted to strip Chechens, Dargins, and all other nations in the Caucasus of their Russian citizenship and compared them to cockroaches and flies.
Video on X, be sure to check out the nazi salutes.
https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1758497715468775604
He was a neonazi before he was a liberal champion of peace and democracy. In fact, the Ukrainians use video of his rallies to "prove" that the "RuZZians" are the real nazis.
The NYT is anxious to focus on Putin's corruption while giving Zelensky and Biden free passes.
The bottom line here is all three are corrupt. It manifests itself in different degrees. For example, so far Biden seems satisfied to prosecute and imprison his political opponents and defame them through the media.
There are some vestiges of opposition to this who are whistling into the wind. If Democrats retain the White House that is likely to disappear.
"Blogger n.n said...
NYT reports on Biden and American citizens incarcerated for political protests."
Very sad day when we put white haired grandmas into prison for walking into the capital building while the police hold the door. That is some serious entrapment.
What good would it do Putin to lie about this? Does the NYT know that it's not a lie? What good would it do the NYT to report this as a fact if it were not verified?
There is no reason for Putin to lie. Navalny was in an arctic gulag and could have died due to being exposed to such a harsh environment. Also, a dead martyr is a much more powerful symbol than an imprisoned dissident, Putin would have been nuts to kill him. (Not that Putin isn't crazy on some level.)
As far as the NYT goes; they are keeping the skeer up for the Democrats. They are panicking and want to deflect attention from the Hur report, Biden's mental competence dilemma, and Fani Willis' disastrous turn on the stand.
(Speaking of Fani; in addition to making an ass of herself on the stand she apparently had her dress on backwards!)
Are you freaking kidding me? Even if Navalny died of natural causes, the conditions of his confinement and Putin's prior attempt to kill him with nerve agent, was the proximate cause of his death.
Putin did kill Navalny, there is no doubt about it.
Putin, the 2016 Hillary supporter?
Maybe Putin should say Navalny committed suicide, like Epstein?
He opposed the war in Ukraine because he was a Not See, just like the leadership in Kiev, and hates Putin, and wants him overthrown, just like, coincidentally I am sure, the CIA does.
We should ask ourselves sometime why we are on these people's side.
Tyrants gonna tyrannize. It can happen here.
What he was doing, with his white supremacist rhetoric, was to try to split up the Russian Federation. A longtime CIA goal.
Joe Biden thought that this war was in our strategic interest, which is why he did not pick up the phone, the way Trump would have, when Putin had his troops massed on the border, and had already published a framework for a negotiated settlement. Not a "list of immoveable demands," the way it was portrayed, and we know this because Putin agreed to far more favorable terms than Ukraine is likely to ever see again, back in March of 2022.
Only a naif questions the lie every time a liar lies. Putin (and pols in general) lie. It's what they do. Putin and the communist crew kill political enemies. This we know. Putin will lie whenever. This we know.
It makes more sense to believe an event conforms to a past pattern than to the current lie.
Does the NYT know that it's not a lie?
Good fucking God.
Would Biden supporter Vladimir Putin kill a political rival? Sure he would- ask Prighozin if you don't believe it.
Hey, for once Freder and I agree on something- Biden supporter Putin killed Navalny regardless of what he actually died.
Most of the people condemning Putin over this fall asleep dreaming of the headline "Trump dies in prison."
His country. He can kill who he wants.
We're civilized here, we just put peaceful citizens in jail for twenty years and let violent thugs back on the street with no bail.
USA, USA, USA...
I'm not looking forward to WW3.
Remember, when Biden calls someone a Nazi, that's an abuse of power, but when Putin calls someone a Nazi, that makes it okay to kill that person.
Amazing coincidence that his wife was at that conference when Nalvalny died, and that Nalvalny supported all of the same goals as our own beloved neocons. Nice Aryan wife though. Too bad for him that he is now more useful to the neocons dead than alive. Who really benefits from his death? Not Putin, when the guy was still electorally viable, he was polling at about 2%. He was rotting in prison totally discredited as a puppet of the US. This only takes attention from the Putin interview, and the fall of Avdeyevka, which is currently in the mopping up stage.
Our government runs us by these kinds of operation. Maybe he died of natural causes, who knows?
"Are you freaking kidding me? Even if Navalny died of natural causes, the conditions of his confinement and Putin's prior attempt to kill him with nerve agent, was the proximate cause of his death.
"Putin did kill Navalny, there is no doubt about it."
Freder and I are in perfect agreement.
Shorter Russia: Oopsie!
You know who Navalny reminds me of? Ray Epps. Look at that speech.
The reason that the regime considers "white supremacy" the biggest threat to democracy is that we use it to stir up trouble everywhere, well in Taiwan we used a different kind of nationalism, but in Ukraine, and in Russia, it's our go to regime change lever.
"but when Putin calls someone a Nazi"
I don't think that Putin made him give that speech and do those Hitler salutes and call for the breakup of the Russian Federation, anymore than he called for the Ukrainians in Kiev to revere a holocaust collaborator as a "founding father of Ukrainian nationalism."
It's amazing to me how little you guys care about an American journalist killed in a Ukrainian prison just three weeks ago.
I might be against paying for the war in Ukraine.... at gunpoint by democrats.
but that doesn't make me pro-Putin.
Putin is a monster.
We should ask ourselves sometime why we are on these people's side.
And maybe you should ask yourself why you are on Putin's side and swallow, hook, line and sinker, Kremlin propaganda.
Rest in peace. Navalny knew what was going to happen when he flew back to Russia, yet still did it. The West needs to get serious about the threat Putin poses. Nalvany basically gave up his life to expose Putin and his cronies.
I just watched Biden make a puke-inducing blustery vow to make Putin pay . . .
By which he means, the American people will pay. Take it to the bank.
“There are none so blind as those who will not see”
Abigail Jackson 🇺🇸
@abigailmarone
It’s funny because you guys are literally trying to jail Trump — your opponent! 🤡
Rep. Eric Swalwell
@RepSwalwell
Let Navalny’s death be a warning to America. If returned to power, Donald Trump will jail his opponents. This isn’t a forecast, he has already told us this. There will be no evidence or due process. And certainly no opposition from Republicans in Congress.
11:27 AM · Feb 16, 2024
“There are none so blind as those who will not see”
Abigail Jackson 🇺🇸
@abigailmarone
It’s funny because you guys are literally trying to jail Trump — your opponent! 🤡
Rep. Eric Swalwell
@RepSwalwell
Let Navalny’s death be a warning to America. If returned to power, Donald Trump will jail his opponents. This isn’t a forecast, he has already told us this. There will be no evidence or due process. And certainly no opposition from Republicans in Congress.
11:27 AM · Feb 16, 2024
Hmmmm.....
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1758554299120939222?t=tuUoj_vC-pjaI0t4X4EXvg&s=19
There is no doubt that Putin killed Seth Rich. Wait, nope, that was someone else.
Anyone check with Tucker on how nice Moscow is today?
The CIA is sure benefiting from all of the stuff that happened to him, look at Rich’s comment, for one. His best day was 2% in the polls.
So is Freder saying that anything that I said is not true, that the video of his Nazi speech is fake? Show me some evidence other than Putin bad.
The split between pro and anti Putin Republicans seems like a big one, bigger than other splits. I would be unwilling to "do politics" with any pro-Putin faction. I don't care what someone thinks about Ukraine, but if someone thinks Putin represents conservative values, we have nothing politically in common.
Freder quizzed the commentariat: "And maybe you should ask yourself why you are on Putin's side and swallow, hook, line and sinker, Kremlin propaganda."
Maybe you should ask yourself why the administration has stifled any peace talks. Maybe you should ask yourself why the US rejected a peace proposal early on. Maybe you should ask yourself if it's to our advantage to force Putin into arms the of Xi Zinpingpong.
Drago’s link, which has video
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DC_Draino
@DC_Draino
Nothing to see here
Just an undercover video of Alexei Navalny asking MI6 Officer James William Thomas Ford for $10-20 Million/yr to start a color revolution in Russia”
Remember that Nancy Pelosi repealed the prohibition on propagandizing the US population, and Obama approved an organization that trains sock puppets and agents provocateur to create false flags for domestic politics.
I would not be shocked to learn that the same CIA which participated in operations against Trump was behind the polonium, just based on cui bono and how they operate. It certainly smeared bootblack on Putin’s reputation.
They want to start WWIII, and if you are considering supporting that, you should think long and hard about the motives and the credibility of the people cheerleading the effort. I wish that I had during Desert Storm.
Don't forget to breathe, Rich.
It's a message to the external world that Putin does what he wants.
rwnutjob writes, "That man just could not hold his polonium"
Alexei Navalny was poisoned with an organophosphate nerve agent applied to his underwear. Nutjob may be thinking of the horrendous lingering death visited on Alexander Litvinenko. Two FGB assassins, probably commissioned by Putin, put polonium in Litvinenko's tea. The nasty fact is the British government appears to have colluded with Putin to torpedo Scotland Yard's investigation of the murder in fear of a nat-gas embargo, just the sort of blackmail President Trump warned Europe about and got a deluge of abuse and insults from NYT for his trouble.
They claim to hate the man because of his lies, though Trump fearless proclaims seven uncomfortable truths daily before breakfast.
'@RepSwalwell
Let Navalny’s death be a warning to America. If returned to power, Donald Trump will jail his opponents. This isn’t a forecast, he has already told us this. There will be no evidence or due process. And certainly no opposition from Republicans in Congress.'
As the meme goes, you don't have to sell me, I'm already voting for him : )
To Rich and other Biden shills, democracy is a subway station full of intimidating panhandlers, illegal aliens, iPhone thieves, and masturbating tranq psychos. Democratic democracy is the ceaseless wager of illegal war and the supremacy of the criminal class guaranteed by taxpayer-funder election fraud. Democratic administration means cleanliness and good order can only be the product of an authoritarian government. Democratic justice means all enforcement is directed exclusively against political dissenters, while all other accused offenders go free immediately after arrest.
What would Putin gain, at this specific moment in history, by Navalny's death?
What did Clinton gain by Seth Rich's death? Hmm.
Neither if these individuals was present at the death of their supposed opponent, but may have benefited from that death, may have orchestrated their demise.
There are a LOT of Clinton-affiliated people who have died "suddenly, mysteriously, conveniently" to Clintons' personal political agenda Think about that. Their list may have more names on it than Putin's list.
Following the link, seems that, unlike Americans, many Russians are skeptical of their official govt proclamations
In politics there are no coincidences.
Putin did kill Navalny, there is no doubt about it.
Consistently wrong, but never in doubt. That's Freder.
For those who don't think Putin would kill him, have you followed Putin's career? Navalny would hardly be the first, and he was already poisoned once before. As rh wrote, Putin likes to show that he'll do what he wants, and that includes killing or maiming critics and rivals.
12 posts by Tiny Tim excusing the Navalny murder. Putin is getting his money's worth.
People die all the time in democracies with political motivations, "burdens" are relieved in sanctuary States, illegal aliens commit excess murders, planned parent/hood in Democratic districts, etc. What difference, at this point, does it make? Spring Forward!
NYT publishes a hidden admission. Refreshing.
That said, the traditional standard, the scientific standard, is to discern a model of truth in multiple, independent sources.
Field Marshall Freder: "And maybe you should ask yourself why you are on Putin's side and swallow, hook, line and sinker, Kremlin propaganda."
Putin ally, the wife of the mayor of Moscow, paid Hunter Biden $3.5 million directly.
I never received $3.5M from a Putin ally.
Putin oligarch pals kicked $150M into the Clinton global slush fund.
Gee, that was awfully nice after that whole "reset button" thing with Hillary.
Hey, and it was Hillary's State Dept, along with Obama/Mueller's FBI, that cleared the canadian subsidiary of a russki company to snatch up US Uranium via the Uranium One deal...even though the canadian company was corrupted and under investgation!
Gee, that was terribly nice of Field Marshall Freder's New Soviet Democraticals, wasnt it?
And who can fail to notice that Putin gets awfully active geopolitically when the New Soviet Democraticals are in power and quiet as church mice when Trump was in office.
Well.
Even for those who are hopelessly stupid, like you know who, those are some interesting data points guiding us to particular inescable conclusions.
LLR-democratical Rich: "Anyone check with Tucker on how nice Moscow is today?"
Any updates from Chicago? Detroit?
Jake said...
"I'm not looking forward to WW3."
I'm starting to look forward to SMOD at this point.
I'll just leave this here...
https://voxday.net/2024/02/16/british-asset-dies-in-russia/
There are no reasons whatsoever for Putin to kill Navalny now. There are multiple reasons for the CIA and/or MI6 to kill him now. Or it could just be a coincidence.
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