December 3, 2022

How elite media is covering Elon Musk's dumping of information about how Twitter helped the Democratic Party in the 2020 election.

First, let me say, I would like a well-written, organized, comprehensive piece of writing explaining this material. Alternatively, show me everything — all the raw material.

Instead, Elon Musk directed us to the Twitter account of Matt Taibbi, and we were expected to receive a long series of tweets and to puzzle through it. Was that to drive massive traffic to Twitter? Was it supposed to be better all fragmented like that?

It certainly wasn't a way to get quick updates to news that was suddenly breaking. It's an old story: Twitter was skewed to favor Democrats. Now, presumably, there's impressive proof. Present the proof in a clear organized fashion!

Musk enlisted Matt Taibbi, so why couldn't Matt Taibbi create a readable document and then just tweet a link to that document?

We were all supposed to cobble the story together on our own. I tried, but I couldn't even figure out how to just get a straight line of Taibbi's tweets. I couldn't move all the responses out of the way. The path was cluttered with other people's tweets — memes about waiting for the next tweet, laughs about how this is just what everybody already knew anyway. What a confusing mess!

After a full night's sleep, I want to do a post, and I can't even figure out where to click to get the Taibbi tweets lined up in order! I do see a lot of blue checks homing in on Tweet #10: "10.Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored. However:"

"However:" sets up the next tweets, the ones that (supposedly) show the Democrats using the tools and receiving a sympathetic response from Twitter insiders. Most of this seems to be about the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story.

What I'd like to see this morning is a clear presentation of what was dribbled out last night. I look first to my favorite source for half a century: The New York Times.

There's nothing at the top of the home page, so I search the page for Twitter.

I get one article: "Twitter Keeps Missing Its Advertising Targets as Woes Mount." That's been a theme at the NYT: Twitter is doing badly under Musk. Woes Mount! But it doesn't say advertising is crashing or even down at all, just that there were "targets" and then those targets were missed. These were internal targets, so maybe they were very aggressive. I can't easily tell how woeful it is that these targets were missed.

I search the whole site for "taibbi" and "twitter" and easily see that the story I'm looking for is, at least at the moment, nonexistent.

I relocate to The Washington Post. Its home page is loaded with Twitter stories: "Gio Reyna has played seven minutes. This World Cup, he's the talk of Soccer Twitter," "TikTok, not Twitter, is the real menace," "From quitting to blocking: How to protect yourself on Musk’s Twitter," "Elon Musk says Kanye West suspended from Twitter after swastika tweet," "Twitter needs Apple more than Apple needs Twitter." 

Five stories, but not the one I'm looking for. I do the site search for "taibbi" and "twitter." Nothing!

I try NPR, BBC, CNN. Nothing. Nothing. Aha!

CNN comes through for me: "Released Twitter emails show how employees debated how to handle 2020 New York Post Hunter Biden story" by Brian Fung:

For days, Twitter owner Elon Musk had teased a massive bombshell disclosure based on internal company documents that he claimed would reveal “what really happened” inside Twitter when it decided to temporarily suppress a 2020 New York Post story about Hunter Biden and his laptop.

But on Friday, instead of releasing a trove of documents to the public, Musk’s big reveal pointed to a series of tweets by the journalist Matt Taibbi, who had been provided with emails that largely corroborated what was already known about the incident.

That closely tracks my perception of what happened.

Attracting thousands of retweets, Taibbi’s winding tweet thread reaffirmed how, in the initial hours after the Post story went live, Twitter employees grappled with fears that it could have been the result of a Russian hacking operation.

Grappled with fears? Or did they desperately search for a justification to suppress the story and trump up the "Russian hacking" ground?

It showed employees on Twitter’s legal, policy and communications teams debating – and at times disagreeing – over whether to restrict the article under the company’s hacked materials policy, weeks before the 2020 election.... While some questioned the basis for the decision and warned that Twitter would be inviting allegations of anti-conservative bias, others within the company, including senior officials, said the circumstances surrounding the Post story were unclear and recommended caution, according to screenshots of internal communications shared by Taibbi.

(Then-CEO Jack Dorsey – whom Taibbi said was not involved in the decision – has told US lawmakers that in hindsight, suppressing the story was a mistake.)....

The Taibbi posts undercut a top claim by Musk and Republicans, who have accused the FBI of leaning on social media companies to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop stories.

Musk tweeted Friday night, amid the Taibbi posts, that Twitter had acted “under orders from the government.” Taibbi said in his series of tweets that “there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story.”

That's big! Does Musk not have legal advisers? He was trying to make a giant splash. Why didn't he do it right?

Hypothesis: He didn't really have the story he wanted, so he went all out to churn traffic on Twitter.

Maybe he intentionally gets things wrong so his antagonists will tweet to correct him. And then everyone can fight about that. What a happening place Twitter is! Let's all go tweet little bits and pieces and see who wins or who's funnier or meaner. And that's how Musk wins. It's not about getting to the truth, but getting everyone on Twitter, tweeting one thing after another. 

How wearisome! I'm just hoping this CNN piece — a normal article — will be reasonably organized and professional:

Lawyers for Facebook parent company Meta have made similar comments in recent weeks, disputing claims from Republicans that the FBI coerced Facebook to suppress the laptop stories.

Taibbi said the material he reviewed referenced general FBI warnings about potential attempted Russian interference in the elections, which also dovetails with Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s public account of Facebook’s handling of the New York Post story and affirms how Twitter was on high alert for possible foreign meddling.

In the wake of the article’s suppression, Taibbi said one Democratic congressman, California Rep. Ro Khanna, wrote to Twitter’s chief legal officer suggesting it was a bad look and a departure from First Amendment ideals to suppress a news report containing details that affect a presidential candidate....

Twitter is a private company, but you can still argue that it ought to behave consistently with free speech ideals. This is a difficult concept for many people to understand, and I appreciate the precision of the language CNN is using here.

The tweet thread also highlighted how officials from both political parties routinely wrote to Twitter asking for specific tweets to be removed.... Taibbi said the contact from political parties happened more frequently from Democrats, but provided no internal documents to back up his assertion. He also did not say that Democrats requested that Twitter suppress the Post story, and his account did not suggest that the US government had ever pressured Twitter to suppress the story.

Thanks, CNN! That strikes me as a clear and balanced summary. If it's wrong, tell me exactly why. It's my touchstone at this point.

And, yes, I've known all along that I could find coverage in The New York Post.

The New York Post is all over it:

 

I had little hope this is going to be the kind of story I want. But the story in writing is not as sensationalistic as the front page graphics, and it helpfully brings out aspects that are missing from the CNN presentation. Highlights:

The chaos and confusion behind closed doors at Twitter in the immediate aftermath of the October 2020 Hunter Biden expose show that a small group of top-level execs decided to label the Post’s story as “hacked material” without any evidence — behind the back of then-CEO and founder Jack Dorsey. ...

According to Taibbi, Twitter’s former head of legal, policy, and trust Vijaya Gadde played a “key role” in the censorship decision. Damning emails and comments from former Twitter employees showed that “everyone knew” the social media giant’s suppression of The Post’s scoops about Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop. “was f—ed.”...

Hacking was the excuse, but within a few hours, pretty much everyone realized that wasn’t going to hold. But no one had the guts to reverse it,” the ex-employee added. “They just freelanced it,” a former employee told Taibbi about how the decision came about.

The decision left high-level executives puzzled. “I’m struggling to understand the policy basis for marking this as unsafe,” Trenton Kennedy, a communications official wrote in an apparent internal email to colleagues.

To which former Twitter Deputy General Counsel Jim Baker responded that it is “reasonable” to assume materials were hacked and that “caution is warranted.”

“Can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?” former Twitter Vice President of Global Communications Brandon Borrman asks in another missive.

“Everyone knew this was f–ked,” a former worker told Taibbi about Twitter’s official stance of on the Hunter story. According to Taibbi, the social media company “took extraordinary steps to suppress”...

Twitter’s censorship of the story led to then-White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany getting locked out of her account with just weeks to go before the 2020 election.... 

Taibbi also tweeted: “Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored.” But the former Rolling Stone writer said the “system wasn’t balanced” and “was based on contacts.”

99 comments:

wendybar said...

In Connecticut this morning, listening to CBS news, and guess what. NOTHING. Not surprised because they are all propaganda organs for the Progressive liars, and the Never Trumpers who love them.

Kevin said...

Thanks, CNN! That strikes me as a clear and balanced summary. If it's wrong, tell me exactly why. It's my touchstone at this point.

Note how the CNN story contains no quotes from the original materials.

CNN: We report. You take our word for it.

Omaha1 said...

I found this helpful

https://www.piratewires.com/p/readable-twitter-files

wendybar said...

Tucker’s review of the info is stellar.


https://therightscoop.com/the-twitter-files-tucker-carlson-breaks-down-the-explosive-taibbi-twitter-expose/

wendybar said...

The poor, poor NYT's is mad. They are claiming Twitter is now all about hate. They must have slept for the last 6 years. So sick of the lying Media. They suck. https://therightscoop.com/ny-times-tries-to-smear-twitter-as-hate-speech-central-but-elon-musk-hits-back-with-proof-they-are-wrong/

Leland said...

What we know now is that the FBI lied about Hunter Biden's laptop and then used those lies to convince social media companies to block a valid story of foreign corruption of Presidential candidate. This is the same FBI that previously lied about the validity of the "Russian Dossier". I can understand why this wouldn't bother some people. What I don't understand is why this is no big deal but pointing out the health of John Fetterman is cruel. Actually, I understand it if I assume blatant bias.

Heartless Aztec said...

The news is so bright I've got to wear shades. Althouse shades.

gilbar said...

“there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of

absence of evidence is Not evidence of absence.. or somthing
Tell us More, about the 50 federal officials, that SWORE that it was russian disinfo?

Howard said...

Musk is donning his black hat. He's not a law-yer nor journo-list. He's a billionaire superstar of superstars who plays public opinion on social media like Mingus, Bird, Miles and Coltrane.

He's using Twitter to ratfuck the msm by introducing rogue wave perturbations into the matrix.

mezzrow said...

Glad I bought popcorn at Costco this week.

SBF/FTX, Twitter Wars, more football than you can shake a stick at...

"Drink from the firehose!" says Stanley Spadowski.

Gusty Winds said...

Why would anyone expect coverage of this at the NYTs and Wash Post?

The response is still being coordinated, and they are once again suppressing damaging information in real time.

This is hard to understand?

Dave Begley said...

I think Kevin McCarthy had it right. Yesterday was just the first episode of a long running TV show. Think Yellowstone,

Saint Croix said...

my theory...

The MSM has a lot of respect for Matt Taibbi

They know he's legit

They trust him

So even if they suspect he's moved to the dark side

("I'll bet he voted for Trump!")

They know he's not a liar.

They know he's a journalist.

So they're taking his involvement with Musk as sort of like Woodward or Bernstein hearing some shit

They might not like it but they're having a tough time ignoring it

Basing that on Politico's take

Saint Croix said...

Plus 99% of the Democrats really don't give a shit about the Biden Administration and don't want to burn in hell for all eternity protecting Joe "Smell Your Hair" Biden.

Saint Croix said...

We need a poll

Smell Your Hair

vs.

I Have a Van

Christopher B said...

I'm going by memory here but I believe Musk said in one of his earlier Tweets that the material would be posted on Twitter itself. Does it drive traffic there? Sure, but eating your own dog food to prove something works is a pretty common theme among tech companies. If Musk's vision of Twitter is a place where uncomfortable subjects can be discussed then a discussion Twitter's (im)moderation policies on Twitter itself is a logical start. The other thing it does is put the material on Twitter so that you don't get contextless hot take. How many people actually follow a link to an article in a tweet rather than taking their cues from the posted comments? I'll be the first to admit that I most often react to posts at many sites based on the excerpt and the poster's comments without necessarily reading the underlying article, and a Tweet with a link doesn't have anything but the posters reaction.

Tiabbi sent a message to his SubStack subscribers in advance of these postings (I didn't put 2 and 2 together when I read it) that indicates he's going to do a longer form posting, probably to SubStack I would guess, and seemed to hint at a book length version.

Saint Croix said...

Anyway, they're perfectly happy to burn Joe Biden

Now that the mid-term election is over and 2024 is two years away. Time to try to reestablish some credibility by reporting on Democrat hostility to Free Speech and Free Elections!

(Plus they know DeSantis will take it and Trump will not).

(Plus they are kinda hoping to drive Biden from office and give his veep a year or so of being the First Female President Ever!)

got to time that shit so she only has a few months because nobody trusts Kamala at all (small wager they are more cynical about her than we are!)

Sarah Rolph said...

I think there is a mistake in this tweet:

Musk tweeted Friday night, amid the Taibbi posts, that Twitter had acted “under orders from the government.” Taibbi said in his series of tweets that “there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story.”

From the context, I think he meant "no evidence of any FOREIGN government involvement."
Because there is definite evidence of government involvement. They had their own portal! And there are emails showing twitter taking action based on government direction.

All of which does rather prove your point that releasing this information on twitter is an awkward way to do it. I'm sure it will get written up shortly in a more readable form.

Saint Croix said...

The news is so bright I've got to wear shades. Althouse shades.

I was like, "Holy shit, Heartless Aztec (sounds like he's illegally immigrating to me) is so damn mean he accused Althouse of doing drugs! Professor Althouse! No way. No way!

And then I was like, "Oh shit, I'm thinking of "I wear my sunglasses at night." That's the damn drug song. Oops.

Drug virgins have trouble with shit like this.

(Contact marijuana high at a Jimmy Buffett concert, maybe? But that's it!)

Amadeus 48 said...

Soooo...we all should read the New York Post. You note that the New York Times isn't on this story at all.

The story so far is the culture at Twitter. Bad things happened casually to stories they didn't like or thought were dangerous to their viewpoint, which is Silicon Valley SJW, with a hearty dose of contempt for the uncredentialed masses. They had rules, but no one knew what they meant. They used those rules to get the story off Twitter and keep it off. Hacking? Russian disinformation? Something? Anything? This laptop must be a Trump trick! It has to be! The cone of silence descended.

Let's look at Tucker Carlson. He put it together, as noted above. https://therightscoop.com/the-twitter-files-tucker-carlson-breaks-down-the-explosive-taibbi-twitter-expose/

And then there is Tony Bobulinski. If you don't know who he is, there is a reason.

Saint Croix said...

When I go for speed my errors accelerate.

What the fuck!

What the fuck!

Why can't I be fast and good!

It's not fair, Lord!

I want to be fast and good!

Saint Croix said...

speedd recordd bitch

Saint Croix said...

too0fast for you

Saint Croix said...

bloogger slowing muys hit down

Lawnerd said...

I don’t understand why there isn’t more outrage over this story. Regardless of your political beliefs this should be a call to arms. Back in more civilized times the Right turned on Nixon over Watergate. And that was the correct response. But over time each side has looked the other way when their side is caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

wendybar said...

“I can guarantee you one thing more than anything else you’ll ever hear in your life: I will be getting a lawyer. I will be suing the Democratic National Committee no matter what,” he said.

“Whether I win or lose, I am going to stand up for the rights that every American – not a so-called celebrity. I’m not a celebrity — I’m hardly recognizable anymore because my career has been destroyed by these very people.”

https://twitchy.com/mikel-313136/2022/12/03/james-woods-vows-to-sue-dnc-over-twitter-scandal-in-epic-response-on-tucker-carlson/

Eleanor said...

When a person's first choice to look for news that sheds a bad light on the Democrats is the New York Times, I suspect the person is looking for deniability. If the NYT doesn't cover it, it probably didn't happen or at least wasn't important. When the second choice is the Washington Post, I'm sure. When that same person scoffs at looking at the original source, it's a waste of time to engage in a meaningful conversation.

I once worked with a teacher who refused to read anything a student wrote that didn't follow all of her rules for formatting. I'd read something written in crayon on paper towels to hear what a student had to say. She missed out on some great writing because it didn't have a 1" margin on both sides. Maybe the problem isn't with the format the information is coming out in, but with the choice of Taibbi as the messenger?

Eleanor said...

When a person's first choice to look for news that sheds a bad light on the Democrats is the New York Times, I suspect the person is looking for deniability. If the NYT doesn't cover it, it probably didn't happen or at least wasn't important. When the second choice is the Washington Post, I'm sure. When that same person scoffs at looking at the original source, it's a waste of time to engage in a meaningful conversation.

I once worked with a teacher who refused to read anything a student wrote that didn't follow all of her rules for formatting. I'd read something written in crayon on paper towels to hear what a student had to say. She missed out on some great writing because it didn't have a 1" margin on both sides. Maybe the problem isn't with the format the information is coming out in, but with the choice of Taibbi as the messenger?

wendybar said...

First the FBI claim they lost the laptop, or didn't know where it was, and THEN we find out that ex-FBI asshole Lawyer, James Baker, was involved in the decision to suppress the Hunter laptop story in October 2020. The FBI is compromised, and it is time to get rid of the Progressive Deep State operatives who are lying to us.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/crooked-fbi-lawyer-james-baker-one-architects-spygate-involved-twitters-decision-suppress-hunter-biden-laptop-story/

tim in vermont said...

"He's using Twitter to ratfuck the msm by introducing rogue wave perturbations into the matrix."

No, it's that the msm left a large pile of explosives that they were counting on always being hidden by insiders from view by outsiders. Musk got forced into buying Twitter at top of market prices, and stumbled on to it, and figured, "why not light the fuse?" This is no elaborately constructed plan, anymore than the laptop was a creation of Russian disinformation guys, It was just there, and the powers of msm whack-a-mole to keep this stuff from coming to light has been exceeded.

You can't blame the other guy if you don't tighten your lug nuts and your wheel comes flying off driving out of the Front Range into Denver on the interstate. (OK, I saw that happen once, that wheel bounced down the highway like a golf ball in the cart path.)

rwnutjob said...

The media spin of this story is enough to affect the Earth's rotation. The Libs defense of this action on Twitter last night was being owned by people who can actually meme. It was epic.

James K said...

The release on Twitter was likely intended as a sort strip-tease. It's no wonder the NYT didn't cover the story, as it was part of the conspiracy. That plus the fact that the media has so trashed its reputation that this is more of a "dog bites man" story.

Big Mike said...

Why release this on Twitter? At a guess, because Twitter’s servers could handle the expected traffic load and the Substack servers couldn’t.

Chuck said...

Tim Miller at The Bulwark on this story:

https://www.thebulwark.com/no-you-do-not-have-a-constitutional-right-to-post-hunter-bidens-dick-pic-on-twitter/

Bob Boyd said...

Musk enlisted Matt Taibbi, so why couldn't Matt Taibbi create a readable document and then just tweet a link to that document?

To answer your question, Professor, Taibbi posted this on Substack before the story started breaking on Twitter:

"Very shortly, I’m going to begin posting a long thread of information on Twitter, at my account, @mtaibbi. This material is likely to get a lot of attention. I will absolutely understand if subscribers are angry that it is not appearing here on Substack first. I’d be angry, too.

The last 96 hours have been among the most chaotic of my life, involving multiple trips back and forth across the country, with a debate in Canada in between. There’s a long story I hope to be able to tell soon, but can’t, not quite yet anyway. What I can say is that in exchange for the opportunity to cover a unique and explosive story, I had to agree to certain conditions."


So it sounds like Taibbi had to agree to do it this way in exchange for the exclusive from Musk.

Achilles said...

At least Ann is being honest about her desire to find things that suppor twhat she already thinks.

Most people who write these kind of posts try to hide their confirmation bias.

But Ann gives it to us straight!

Iman said...

When the spoilage is served up, it must be at room temperature?

There was a time when bad deeds were bad deeds. And the miscreants paid a price steep enough to dissuade others devoid of ethics or morals from following that path. I’m talking about you, Democrats.

robother said...

Althouse: "...why couldn't Matt Taibbi create a readable document and then just tweet a link to that document?"

Indeed, there are those of us who paid for a subscription to Taibbi's site that are asking that very question, as well as why Matt posted his reporting on Twitter first.

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J2 said...

Like gilbar

I want the deets on how/who put together the declaration from the the 50 Intelligence Professionals that it was all likely Russian disinfo.

hombre said...

The response to this information dump showing collusion between (mostly) Democrats and Twitter to suppress information adverse to Democrats is that this contrivance between big tech and government violates the First Amendment. How important! Ain't it awful! Into the conservative circle jerk it goes!

Informed conservatives, including some Republicans, are appalled. Democrats, who don't care about the First Amendment, are indifferent. Those in between who rely on the leftmedia are, and will remain, uninformed.

Somehow the notion persists that if the Democrats are caught in unconstitutional or illegal or undemocratic behavior they will be discredited, things will right themselves, and "America will be great again."

Time to forget that! The Bidens are demonstrably corrupt, as are the Clintons, the DOJ, the FBI, the IRS, the leftmedia and probably the military. Our elections are corrupt, or at least corrupted. Trump is done. There will be no correction.

Michael P said...

Given how well Taibbi usually presents his work on Substance, I assumed from the form of this that Musk made Twitter-as-the-medium a condition for access.

I think the "no evidence of government involvement" comment is weak -- as noted in a comment above, Twitter's deputy general counsel who said to keep the NY Post gagged came from the FBI, and there's a very thin line between Biden campaign operatives and former/current/future government appointees. Is it really much better if Twitter engaged in massive amounts of undisclosed in-kind campaign efforts for dozens of politicians, especially at the federal level?

Lurker21 said...

Taibbi said the contact from political parties happened more frequently from Democrats, but provided no internal documents to back up his assertion.

CNN only needs documentation when it comes to things that might make the Democrats look bad.

Shoeless Joe said...

I'm looking for news on how the media, social media, and the Democrats suppressed accurate information prior to the 2020 election. Where should I go for that story?

The Washington Post?
The NY Times?
CNN?

Please tell me this was a joke.

Gusty Winds said...

This morning liberal journalists are doubling down.

One thing is for sure. Support for censorship, suppression of information, and pure propaganda are tools the left and their voters support.

This will not change. It will get worse.

Just check out a college campus. Their totalitarian one sided culture let’s you know exactly what liberals think of free speech, free expression, and open debate. They want none of it.

Ice Nine said...

>Ann Althouse said...
"Instead, Elon Musk directed us to the Twitter account of Matt Taibbi...We were all supposed to cobble the story together on our own. I tried, but I couldn't even figure out how to just get a straight line of Taibbi's tweets. I couldn't move all the responses out of the way."<

That's a strange thing to say when the first link in your post is to Taibbi's thread which provides exactly that: a straight line of Taibbi's tweets sans responses. Very readable; very easy to comprehend.

But since that didn't seem satisfactory to you for some reason, there is always the easy-to-use Threadreader - https://threadreaderapp.com/ - which, with a simple copy and paste of the Twitter URL (too much "cobbling"?), gives you this: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1598822959866683394.html .

Achilles said...

Bob Boyd said...

Musk enlisted Matt Taibbi, so why couldn't Matt Taibbi create a readable document and then just tweet a link to that document?

...

So it sounds like Taibbi had to agree to do it this way in exchange for the exclusive from Musk.



And Ann wants to avoid reading things that aren't filtered for her by the mainstream media.

Aggie said...

Taibbi comes from a line of journalists, and embraces the role with all its history. This is the modern-day version of an old-fashioned 'Scoop', and he has scooped it right up and gotten it out there ahead of everyone else, in the fastest-possible, most-efficient way: on Twitter. Good for him! I hope he was wearing his fedora, with the Press card stuck in the hatband.

As others have mentioned, he warned his subscription audience (Substack) that this was coming, with apologies, and that it would be fully fleshed out later.

MayBee said...

I always wondered why people weren't more bothered that Twitter stopped the story from being shared by private DM. Taibbi confirms this had only been used in extreme cases before. This was not an extreme case. That alone should be huge news. Reporters use DMs with sources and Twitter can mess with them.

MayBee said...

Another interesting tidbit is that Twitter was justifying everything by not letting this be "another 2016". What happened in 2016? Trump won.

Lance said...

Taibbi reports at length that Dorsey wasn't involved with suppressing the laptop story. But why didn't he fire Gadde once he found out what had been done?

Why did Dorsey even hire Gadde? Where did Gadde and his cohort of censors come from?

Static Ping said...

Here's your proof that our media engaged in outright censorship to influence an election, almost certainly successfully in a massive undermining of democracy, and the complaint is you do not like how the information was released? Seriously? There's a forest out there, I promise.

This comes across about the same as hearing about the Hindenburg disaster and the first impression is the radio announcer used poor grammar. Or reading about Watergate and deciding the story is a questionable comma in the fifth paragraph. Do they even have editors? The rebels attack Fort Sumter! What horrible font choice!

As for the MSM, since they were co-conspirators do you really think they were going to report this and publicly admit wrongdoing? I mean they literally refused to cover the most important news story at the time, so get all your news from us, right? Do you think a perfectly written article that would make an English professor cry in joy at the sight would have made a difference? If anything, releasing it on Twitter gets a larger audience with less spin.

Lance said...

One more question: Why did Musk and Taibbi release this information on the weekend?

Bob Boyd said...

And Ann wants to avoid reading things that aren't filtered for her by the mainstream media.

I don't see how you can read this blog every day for years and make that claim. Her question was perfectly reasonable. The Twitter version is very hard to follow and make sense of. If even Ann Althouse has trouble sorting it out, you know it's a mess.

Big Mike said...

As I commented on the other thread, the most plausible explanation is that Mask — and probably Taibbi, too — realized that the Twitter servers could handle he projected traffic load while the Substack servers probably couldn’t. Time to stop kicking over rocks looking for nefarious motivations and remember that underneath Substack, Blogger, Twitter, and every other technology service there are real computers, real data storage devices, real cables, real switches and routers, and all powered by a Hell of a lot of electrical power to power the hardware and to cool the computer rooms, which requires its own infrastructure. Back in my day the rule of thumb was that 50% of your electrical input went to power the hardware, the rest to cool it below the point where the chips start to fail (84 degrees F back then). Perhaps in the seven years since I retired they’ve gotten it down to a ratio of 55%-45%, through clever computer room layouts, but that’s still a lot of hardware to power up and to keep cool enough to operate.

wendybar said...

Poor, poor little Hunter Biden is a victim now.


jimtreacher.substack.com
@jtLOL
OUT: The laptop is fake, it's Russian disinfo

IN: Why do you want to see Hunter's dick anyway?
Quote Tweet
Jason Abbruzzese
@JasonAbbruzzese
·
14h
It is, in fact, Twitter exercising its right to moderate its platform as it sees fit, including taking down nude pictures of people who did not consent for them to be posted on the internet.

MayBee said...

Taibbi's followers numbers were going up by the tens of thousands in short periods of time last night. it was remarkable.


Another big takeaway-- Twitter said they throttled the story for safety and because of their hacked materials policy, but they had not one shred of evidence either thing was true. There was no danger, and it wasn't hacked.

The only person who looked good was Ro Khanna, who said hacked materials given to a reporter are still printable under the first amendment. Twitter throttled that story because they wanted to, and then looked for a reason.

MayBee said...

Also, how mad does it make you that all these celebrities and politicians had contacts at Twitter just waiting to remove tweets or lock accounts when a picture or tweet went out that they didn't like.
Is it that easy at a newspaper? "Hey, NYTs, this is Biden's comms guy. Take that picture of Hunter off your website". "Ok. Handled". Appalling!

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

"I relocate to The Washington Post. Its home page is loaded with Twitter stories:"

Reminder: Wapo's owner and Twitter's owner are competitors in an emerging market. 🚀

Take Wapo's commentary about twitter with a giant block of salt.

JAORE said...

Poor Musk. The woes are closing in.

My wife gets outraged by the workings of the left, especially shutting down opposing views. Me too. But when we discuss it I always note the outrage is limited for most because they never see the deeds done in the dark.

Makes me think "Democracy Dies in Darkness" is an aspiration.

wendybar said...

ASK yourself why?? THIS is what they do. They hide the truth, and since most people get their news from these liars, we are fucked. https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/12/03/clay-travis-others-notice-some-media-outlets-are-opting-to-ignore-the-twitterfiles-release/

wendybar said...


Clay Travis
@ClayTravis
Remember one of the biggest, if not the biggest, powers of media is deciding which stories to cover. If you just read
@nytimes
&
@washingtonpost
, as tens of millions do, you’d have no idea about last night’s news on this site. The vast majority of Americans don’t use Twitter.
8:52 AM · Dec 3, 2022

Ice Nine said...

"Handled" is going to quickly become a popular catchphrase, and the hook of myriad memes.

Michael K said...

Howard's spin.

He's using Twitter to ratfuck the msm by introducing rogue wave perturbations into the matrix.

He sure is. The media has been lying to rubes like you for years. Since the lies supported your own policy preferences (assuming there are some), you didn't mind. I have been a substack subscriber to Taibbi for a year. I look forward to his account when he has time to clean it up and put it in Althouse-approved format. Mean while, we are finding out stuff that has been hidden for years.

rcocean said...

Musk is obviously trying to be non-partisan so he gave it to leftwing Tabbi. And Tabbi deliberately fuzzed things up by saying "Both sides got people banned". Really? How many people got banned because of the Trump campaign? One? Meanwhile, Biden got Twitter to supress the Hunter Biden Laptop story, the most important thing in the whole mess. Anyone who mentioned it got banned.

Tabbi did tweet out the campaign donations of the Twitter employees, showing 98 percent are liberal Democrats. Yoel Roth was in charge of the whole thing, along with the Indian lady lawyer, and both are SJW's.

Facebook and Google have already admitted that the FBI documents provided to Republican Congressmen are correct and that they were working with the FBI to ban people for "misinformation" so Musk will probably roll out a document/email showing that.

rcocean said...

Thank God Musk took over twitter. Its amazing that when we find out, the Left/Democrats are even more corrupt, dishonest, and power-mad then we imagined. Unfortunately, the Democrat voters DO.NOT.CARE. They don't care about crime, inflation, soaring Gas Prices, etc. They will vote D, no matter what.

Readering said...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/93w9bd/how-twitter-made-the-hunter-biden-laptop-story-even-worse

Too bad we didn't know all this before the election. Oh, wait....

Yancey Ward said...

I read the entirety of Taibbi thread as it going down last night, and here is a likely error, though perhaps Taibbil himself clarified after I stopped reading to go to bed (I will check later when I have time:

when Taibbi wrote there was no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story, I was sure he meant there was no Russian/foreign government involvement in laptop itself, not that there no US government involvement in the suppression of the story itself. The FBI did, in fact, support the claims that foreign governments might be using this laptop story as disinformation- a claim the media seized on immediately in order to justify suppressing the story everywhere.

Yancey Ward said...

Unlike Althouse, I believe this is the proper way to disclose the information- a full public release of the entire data set in raw form- it forces people to actually look at the facts that would underly any narrative form of description that Althouse was looking for in vain from her favored left-wing news organizations. Indeed, she can see the problem by her admitted reluctance to go to the one news organization that did exactly what she claimed she was looking for- the NYPost. Instead of reading the NYPost story, she goes to CNN which managed to write an entire story about it without quoting, as far as I can tell, a single piece of the e-mails released on Twitter. Instead, all Fung does in that story is tell you his opinion about the facts released on-line.

Joe Smith said...

'Twitter was skewed to favor Democrats. Now, presumably, there's impressive proof. Present the proof in a clear organized fashion!'

You can't figure out how to read tweets in numbered order?

I don't have a law degree and even I figured it out...

Joe Smith said...

Some dumb fucks in the media are correct on one point; the Biden campaign colluding with Twitter is infuriating but legal.

What wasn't legal was the FBI and the security agencies putting their thumbs on the scale and using government to intentionally mislead voters (Russian disinformation lie).

Zuckerberg needs to explain the timeline of the FBI asking him to censor the Hunter laptop story before it was even published by the 'NY Post.'

Randomizer said...

"Musk enlisted Matt Taibbi, so why couldn't Matt Taibbi create a readable document"

I don't recall anyone ever enlisting a specific journalist to handle a document dump, rather than just releasing everything. Matt Taibbi is an excellent choice, but the Twitter format is frustrating. I don't use Twitter much, but for some reason, Taibbi's posts were in order and easy to navigate.

I subscribe to Taibbi's substack. I was surprised that he didn't address the Twitter revelations. Like, "Musk requested my hot take on Twitter. I will follow up with an article soon."

Jupiter said...

You know, the weird thing about this, is that I knew all about Hunter Biden's laptop well before the election. I knew about it before I heard that Twitter was suppressing it by blocking the Post's twitter account. I had read multiple accounts of how it came to light and what was on it, in various places on the internet. I really don't know how people manage to remain so incredibly ignorant. I guess by reading NYT and WaPo, and watching TV. Imagine watching TV to find out what's going on! You'd have to be a complete idiot.

Jupiter said...

Here is the whole tale, in two words. Vijaya Gadde.

effinayright said...

Joe Smith said...
Some dumb fucks in the media are correct on one point; the Biden campaign colluding with Twitter is infuriating but legal.
**********

There's more than a nuance between the Biden *campaign* colluding with Twitter, and Democrat congress critters and (later) the Biden *White House* colluding with Twitter.

The government cannot use 3rd parties to do what it is not legal to do itself--just as it would be illegal for the government to force, request, threaten or cajole the NYT not to run a story.

Daniel12 said...

As someone skeptical of Musk's interest in being fully transparent, versus releasing info aligned to his narrative of events, what about this process is supposed to make me think we're getting a "full document dump"? If it's Matt Taibbi's involvement, am I supposed to have confidence in a deal that gave him access to documents but required him to post findings on twitter? And who else gets access to these documents (and others that were not dumped), or do I just get to hear Matt Taibbi's take, followed by various involved outlets' take on his take?

Nothing of use here. Yet.

effinayright said...

Jupiter said...
You know, the weird thing about this, is that I knew all about Hunter Biden's laptop well before the election. I knew about it before I heard that Twitter was suppressing it by blocking the Post's twitter account. I had read multiple accounts of how it came to light and what was on it, in various places on the internet. I really don't know how people manage to remain so incredibly ignorant. I guess by reading NYT and WaPo, and watching TV. Imagine watching TV to find out what's going on! You'd have to be a complete idiot.
********************

You also "knew" that Biden and his campaign, and all democrats, were DENYING the story and doing everything they could to bury it.

IOW The Biden campaign and the government, including James Baker in the DOJ, were making damn sure the facts---which you did not know in a legal sense---were ever brought to light.

Those denials would have created uncertainty, doubt and confusion among the public, and....they did.

That's what matters, not whether you feel you had an inside track to the truth, the full truth and nothing but the truth.


Yancey Ward said...

However, here is thing to consider hypothetically- make the laptop owner Eric Trump, all of other details exactly the same. Question for all of the commenters here left or right- what do you think Twitter would have done with that story if published by the NYPost or the NYTimes? Does anyone here really believe Twitter would have suppressed that story?

Bender said...

Let's not skip over number 8. In fact, skip over everything else and focus on 8. The one about the Biden organization conspiring to interfere with the 2020 elections.

Bob Boyd said...

"James Baker, the FBI's General Counsel and a confidante of former FBI director James Comey, resigned his position with the bureau on May 4, 2018.

Baker quit on the same day as controversial FBI lawyer, Lisa Page, whose political and sometimes anti Donald Trump texts with FBI agent Peter Strzok have raised questions of bias within the Robert Mueller investigation into the president. The upheaval at the FBI has social media buzzing about Jim Baker; Baker’s name has surfaced before because he was a recipient of one of the memos that Comey wrote after meeting with President Donald Trump.

Politico reported at that time that a Congressional leak investigation into Baker involved the infamous Steele dossier. “House Republicans are investigating contact between the FBI’s top lawyer and a Mother Jones reporter in the weeks before the left-leaning outlet” was first to break the story on the dossier, reported Politico, stating that “James Baker, the FBI’s general counsel, communicated with Mother Jones reporter David Corn in the weeks leading up to the November 2016 election.” However, Politico also reported that Corn denied Baker was the source for his reporting on the dossier."

In June of 2020 Baker was made Twitter's Deputy General Counsel

tim maguire said...

I care that Twitter and Facebook put their thumbs on the scales in the last presidential election, I care a great deal less that Democrats and Republicans make censorship requests (though I’d be interested in the numbers on which requests were acted on). The clearly organized and coordinated response of the left-media on twitter is amusing.

The fact that Musk went through Taibbi makes me doubt this is the nothingburger it’s portrayed as here; I expect something long-form from Taibbi within the next couple weeks giving his perspective.

Joe Smith said...

'IOW The Biden campaign and the government, including James Baker in the DOJ, were making damn sure the facts---which you did not know in a legal sense---were ever brought to light.'

The same James Baker who went on the work for Twitter in their legal department.

How conveeeeeenient (said in a Church Lady voice)...

Readering said...

https://twitter.com/ByronYork

Forget elite media. I want to see analysis of a presidential caliber.

Mark O said...

"[S]o why couldn't Matt Taibbi create a readable document and then just tweet a link to that document?"

That's it? Well, first of all A. Althouse gets a C- in creative writing. But, there's more . . .I have to assume that there is more, much more documentary evidence and that Musk is simply giving the House Judiciary Committee ample reason to subpoena the documents, some of which may be problematic or covered by a NDA. Finally, Musk hopes to make Twitter a real time platform. This is that beginning.

I loved it.

Sebastian said...

"Twitter employees grappled with fears that it could have been the result of a Russian hacking operation"

As Althouse noted, even in the face of the new info, they keep BS-ing. They spin The Narrative. It's isn't just the content that counts, it's the very confidence they have that they won't be called on their BS, not in any serious way. Musk or no Musk, Progs rule.

Bender said...

Thread unrolled here (entire set of tweets in one place):

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1598822959866683394.html

wendybar said...

Readering said...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93w9bd/how-twitter-made-the-hunter-biden-laptop-story-even-worse

Too bad we didn't know all this before the election. Oh, wait....

12/3/22, 10:47 AM

AND YOU DON'T CARE!! The hypocrisy is sickening...and the backlash is coming.

Daniel12 said...

"Let's not skip over number 8. In fact, skip over everything else and focus on 8. The one about the Biden organization conspiring to interfere with the 2020 elections."

All of those are Hunter Biden dick pics posted without his consent. (Really.)

Bruce Hayden said...

“Another big takeaway-- Twitter said they throttled the story for safety and because of their hacked materials policy, but they had not one shred of evidence either thing was true. There was no danger, and it wasn't hacked.”

It really was humorous. It got banned because it might have come from a hack. But then, with evidence that it was from a left behind notebook of Hunter’s, and no evidence that it was from a hack, they persisted, just in case it had even a hack. Their excuse was that they were just being careful. It might be hacked. Just in case.

Jon Burack said...

Finally, toward the end of her long "rant" (yes, some of it was a rant), Ann gets to the NY Post article which she acknowledges is okay and did covere stuff CNN did not (wow, that's a surprise). I actually found Musk and Taibbi's use of twitter to be clearer in the end than this long blog posting was. I really do have to laugh about it all. What Musk did was use his new toy exactly as it is ALWAYS used - as a chaotic collection of primary source material that you, the reader, have to piece together if you can. Every time I have ever tried to look into some twitter thread, I usually give up quickly due to the chaos. This one actually seemed fairly easy to follow thanks to Taibbi's help, if you click on various items to get them up full screen. What Musk did was force the media hacks to subject themselves to the torture they inflict on all the rest of the Twitter universe all the time.

As for the issue of government involvement in the pressure on Twitter, it seemed quite clearly to be there (from the "Biden team" not the FBI, but the Biden team is the relevant government suppressing force here) in the Oct. 24, 2020, 5:39PM message listing items to be suppressed, with Twitter's two-word response to Biden's team, an absolutely chilling response, "handled these." What the heck more does anyone need. Cute that two-worder, it leaves out entirely WHO handled these and what the handling did. Do we really need more? I don't.

Readering said...

Wendybar, I will say your take more coherent than 45's.

Rabel said...

Althouse quoted CNN:

Musk tweeted Friday night, amid the Taibbi posts, that Twitter had acted “under orders from the government.” Taibbi said in his series of tweets that “there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story.”

You might want to look at the entire quote form Taibii. Greenwald is saying that that is a reference to foreign government intervention. It's plausible. Taibii can clear it up. Maybe has already.

Screenshot

Jason said...

Surprised it didn't include Biden sending an actual White House staff member, the senior advisor to the WH Covid Response office, to Twitter to demand the permanent suspension of Alex Berenson's account.

Tell me how that isn't a direct violation of the First Amendment right there.

gilbar said...

“there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of

FBI Agent Reveals in Testimony: Big Tech Companies Met with FBI ‘on Weekly Basis’ Ahead of 2020 Election

Chan stated that the FBI regularly sent social media companies lists of URLs and social media accounts that should be taken down..
“We know that FBI Supervisory Special Agent Elvis Chan testified Tuesday in a lawsuit against the Biden administration brought by Republican attorneys that he organized those weekly meetings with Twitter and Facebook in San Francisco for as many as seven Washington-based FBI agents in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election,” she noted.

So, tell me MORE, about how "there is no evidence- that YOU were aware of?"

Readering said...

Taibbi saying that might have been the problem. What? Lack of foreign government interference?

Michael K said...


Blogger Bruce Hayden said...

“Another big takeaway-- Twitter said they throttled the story for safety and because of their hacked materials policy, but they had not one shred of evidence either thing was true. There was no danger, and it wasn't hacked.”


Remember how the DNC server was hacked" but they wouldn't let anyone examine it except a DNC contractor. Of course, the DNC contractor concluded it was hacked by Russians. Nobody was interested in the fact that the download speed required a thumb drive and an inside job. I sure would like to hear from the GW resident who was kicked out of the ICU when Seth Rich was admitted still alive.

MikeR said...

“there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story.” As Glenn Greenwald has already pointed out, that is a misreading of Taibbi's post. That particular tweet was talking about foreign government misinformation (Russian disinfo), and was saying that no one had found any such evidence.

chickelit said...

Althouse wrote: That's big! Does Musk not have legal advisers? He was trying to make a giant splash. Why didn't he do it right?

Hypothesis: He didn't really have the story he wanted, so he went all out to churn traffic on Twitter.


Alternaive hypothesis: Musk has exactly what he says he has but is holding it back because the FBI has asked/demanded that he do so. Musk is hoping to be called upon in the court of public opinion to produce the evidence. He's going to keep insisting that he has it, letting pressure build to release it. The FBI is going to warn him to stop tweeting about it. This is all still in play. I think that Musk has exactly what he says he has. He's playing a dangerous game of chicken with the powers that be. He's smart enough to have a contingency plan lest something unfortunate befall him.

Lastly, let me just give a big thank you to Musk for outing all the partisan nasties at Twitter. Good riddance to them all!

chickelit said...

MikeR said...“there is no evidence - that I’ve seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story.” As Glenn Greenwald has already pointed out, that is a misreading of Taibbi's post.

Are you saying that Althouse has fallen for a misreading of Taibbi's tweets? Good luck trying to get her to admit to that!