September 7, 2020

"It really does feel like Biden himself is almost the best candidate for this moment because of who he is as a person and his ability to talk about racial justice and racial equality in a way that sounds like a traditional white, suburban guy."

"He doesn’t particularly sound woke, but you also understand that he gets it and that he’s trying to look at these problems in a realistic way."

Said Vaughn Derderian, the chair of the Democratic Party in Oakland County, Michigan, quoted in "Why Biden could still lose the suburbs to Trump/Among local party officials, there’s an undercurrent of uneasiness about how quickly the president shifted the focus of the campaign away from his coronavirus response and toward public safety" (Politico).
Biden said of the public’s response to Trump’s law-and-order posturing last week that “they ain't buying it.” And most Democratic political professionals — and some Republicans – believe that’s probably true at the moment. Frank Luntz, the veteran Republican consultant and pollster, said in an email that Trump “is talking about the right issue, but he's talking the wrong way. Suburban voters want ‘public safety’ even more than law and order. They want ‘safe streets’ rather than ‘dominating the streets.’ His rhetoric is over-caffeinated.”
People always say Trump is "talking the wrong way." He was talking the wrong way in 2016, and then he won. Talking the wrong way is Trump's super power. The question isn't whether people will say Trump is talking the wrong way, but whether, in the end, they'll vote for him, and they voted for him in 2016 when he talked the wrong way, and I assume they'll do it again. Who cares what's "probably true at the moment"?!

113 comments:

Kevin said...

Which is more important, the right issue or the right words?

Trump knows the answer.

Big Mike said...

Biden said of the public’s response to Trump’s law-and-order posturing last week that “they ain't buying it.” And most Democratic political professionals — and some Republicans – believe that’s probably true at the moment.

These "political professionals" need to spend less time talking among themselves and more time talking to real voters.

tim in vermont said...

So maybe he could explain whether Biden wants the looters and arsonists in jail, or does he agree with Harris that they should be bailed out as quickly as possible to get right back to the violence.

It was Democrats who took over the news cycle with these riots, and it’s Democrats supporting them. They handed this to Trump.

Biden still hasn’t clarified whether he thinks travel bans are racist, as he said back in March, or is it that Trump didn’t do them soon enough. Or whether his is for fracking as he said, or against fracking, as he said. There is a lot of material for reporters asking him questions to work with. Too bad most of the reporters have been removed and all we have now are pro-infragovernment regime propagandists.

Bruce Hayden said...

In the previous thread, I pointed to the quote by Lincoln about Grant: "I can't spare this man, he fights!" I think that it applies to Trump.

I expect that Trump will tweak his messaging here. Shouldn’t be too hard to tie dominating the streets to public safety, esp with the Biden/Harris ticket encouraging the violent rioting (by, for example, bailing out the violent rioters and arsonists). It doesn’t matter what Biden actually says here, since he is too far gone to be making this sort of decision on his own. Everyone knows that he is just a mouthpiece these days, which is why he can reverse himself in the same short speech, and no one blinks. Harris though has been encouraging the violent rioters and arsonists, and that is being used to tie the violence to their campaign.

Unknown said...

Biden said of the public’s response to Trump’s law-and-order posturing last week that “they ain't buying it.”

Also: They ain't Black!

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

blah blah blah... Please ignore Biden's racist history.

Fernandinande said...

Camel A. Harris used twitter to solicit bail money for rioters.

"[Biden] doesn’t particularly sound woke, but you also understand that he gets it and that he’s trying to look at these problems in a realistic way."

Like implying there's a nationwide education conspiracy which falsely promotes the idea that a white "guy" invented the light bulb.

Michael K said...

Biden is an empty vessel, way past his "sell by" date and being run by a faceless cabal funded by the insanely rich tech people. It's interesting to speculate on their motives. Some may be the guilt and self hate of the trust fund baby. Some, like former Republicans Meg Whitman, are probably about a combination of China and H1B visa matter. Some are widows and ex-wives, like Bezos ex-wife.

I suspect China is a lot of it.

Danno said...

I think DJT's superpower is being prescient like the Roadrunner and being a few moves ahead of the dummkopf Dems (Wile E. Coyote).

Meep Meep!

stlcdr said...

Why do we put so much stock in what politicians say rather than what they do?

Sally327 said...

I wouldn't say "almost the best candidate" is a ringing endorsement. And talking about how issues are talked about, that's so white. I looked for a picture of him and Derderian is white (at least based on the American color palette identifier these days).

In 2016 Trump was running against Hillary and while he "talked wrong" a lot, it possibly didn't hurt him as much as it might have because she is so loathsome. I find Joe Biden loathsome as well but I'm not sure (that for other people) he will evoke the same visceral response as Hillary does when it gets down to voting one way or the other. 2020, it's not the same, the GOP can't hope to win just by re-fighting the last war, although it does seem as though the Democrats are using many of the same tactics as they did in 2016.

Rory said...

"...there’s an undercurrent of uneasiness about how quickly the president shifted the focus of the campaign away from his coronavirus response and toward public safety"

It's hilarious. Who shifted the focus to the streets, and necessarily had to shift focus from the virus because big crowds were needed to shift focus to the streets?

tim in vermont said...

Don Lemon thinks they are buying it. Biden can’t admit it, but Democrats are certainly worried.

hombre said...

Democrat fabulists and their media pimps can create a web of deception around Trump’s China Virus response. They cannot, despite trying, deceive people about what happened in Democrat-run cities. All they and their minions can do is spin Trump’s response, e.g., “public safety vs. law and order.”

Like love and marriage, Frank, 🎼”Ya can’t have one without the other!”🎷

But, carry on. Anything to make Trump wrong.

RNB said...

Saying Joe Biden is a "traditional, white suburban guy" is an insult to traditional, white suburban guys (who mostly still have their marbles and haven't spent their adult lives grifting on the public purse).

Martha said...

“It really does feel like Biden himself is almost the best candidate for this moment because of who he is as a person and his ability to talk about racial justice and racial equality in a way that sounds like a traditional white, suburban guy,” Derderian said.

Yeah. Like the time when discussing integration and busing Biden said he did not want his kids to grow up in a jungle. Suburban Whites can relate.

Harsh Pencil said...

Here's a poll of Althouse readers having to do with our hostess noting that Trump WON in 2016. How many people do you know, especially in swing states, who

A) Said they voted for Trump in 2016, but now say they will vote for Biden.
B) Said they voted for Trump in 2016, but now say they will not vote or vote third party.
C) Said they didn't vote in 2016, but now say they will vote for Biden.

I know no one in categories A, B, or C. Do you? Seems like Biden needs a good number of these. In the other direction, how many people do you know who

D) Said they voted for Hillary in 2016, but now say they will vote for Trump.
E) Said they didn't vote in 2016 or voted third party, but now say they will vote for Trump.

I know one person in E, who didn't vote because he was too young in 2016. Biden also needs not too many of these.

DanTheMan said...

>>Biden said of the public’s response to Trump’s law-and-order posturing last week that “they ain't buying it.”

Wishful thinking. It's what he wants to be true, not what is true.

Matt Sablan said...

Calling people not black is talking the right way?

Big Mike said...

Biden is such a stupid campaigner that he thinks liberal use of “ain’t” connects him to voters.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

KRUISER:
“The nightly scenes from Portland are probably the most effective Trump-Pence 2020 ads possible. Let these paste-eaters keep destroying this God-forsaken commie hellhole and themselves along the way. You know it’s awful there because the MSM has been working overtime to convince us otherwise. One of the safest bets these days is to assume that the opposite of what MSM hacks are saying is true.”

bagoh20 said...

What these people are saying is we want public safety, but we don't want what it takes to get it. This is what prevents most needed things from getting done. If you have a better way of getting safe streets without using real police then tell us what that is, and how that would work better, if at all.

What I'm hearing is coward talk, the talk of bystanders, failures, and armchair quarterbacks. Real leaders don't just promise you benefits without costs, cold fusion, or pollution-free energy. They convince you that the benefits are worth the cost, and that the cost can be controlled. If you are promising cost-free progress you are promising failure, which we have seen over and over from the left with socio-economic policy, and the right with military expedition. The people are at fault here for accepting such bullshit, and not insisting on being talked to like adults.

MadisonMan said...

Biden is a candidate for people who want to vote against Trump. He is not a candidate that anyone can honestly vote for in my opinion.

He has never lead. So how can he lead the country? I note he voted for the War in Iraq. Bad idea. He voted for DOMA. Bad idea. He voted for DADT. Bad idea. He voted for Criminial Sentencing laws that were draconian and very much anti-Black. Now, perhaps you might argue, if you're a Democrat, that he was simply going for something -- like DADT -- as a way to help move things along. That would gain traction if you could also find footage of him actively saying something like that -- but you can't. He's never gotten out in front of an issue and led the Country to a better point. The only thing I can think of his leading the charge on is against Anita Hill.

This is a man who has marinated for nearly 5 decades in the DC swamp. How on Earth did Democrats decide this was the best Candidate? When was the last time such a confirmed Democratic Swamp-dweller ran as the Party Standard-Bearer? I honestly can't think of anyone. The Democratic Party disgusts me at the moment.

bagoh20 said...

Isn't it amazing that after hearing Democrats support violence, defunding the police, calling half the country deplorable, racist, white supremacists and threatening physical violence on the President, it's trump who doesn't talk right? Is there any balance at all? These memes about Trump are just repeated mindlessly without any real reflection about where they come from or how they compare to what his opponents say. It's just lazy - the lazy lies.

Wince said...

Althouse said...
People always say Trump is "talking the wrong way."

Reminds me of this classic line from the movie Slap Shot...

"[Wink] Yeah, we're working on it."

BUMBLE BEE said...

Vaughn Derderian is so full of shit I can smell him through my pixels. People of Oakland County would have him located in a secure facility with appropriate memory care professionals.
A two time looser and zero delegate quitter team up to mean no Escalades, no Bertrams and extraordinary taxes. They are already pencilling out Whitmer and her Soros flunky crews after they've found none of their friends have dropped Covid, but their health clubs have. Vaughn... put down the pipe.

JAORE said...

So, Luntz, how do you get safe streets without law and order?

stevew said...

He talks the wrong way but people understand what he means. He communicates effectively to the people that matter. The professional politicians know this but they are so invested in speaking the right way that they can't tolerate his wrong speaking style.

Amexpat said...

He doesn’t particularly sound woke

Forget about "woke", it's hard enough for him to be awake.

Leland said...

I don't care how Trump is talking. I care about what he is doing.

Seems like Biden needs a good number of these.

He just needs mailed in ballots that appear real enough to a supportive media.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Whitmer's cavalcade of science advisors... Math Is Hard lock it down, but put MY boat in first!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDDkY9z908M&feature=youtu.be

MacMacConnell said...

Biden will win because he listens to the "working man". In his basement? His family compound grounds keepers. The ten people greeting his plane? On the phone with millionaire union bosses? The eight to ten scripted Democrat campaign workers at his "press conferences"?

I hope Dr. Jill Biden's teaching credentials aren't in history. Is she the one that told Joe Thomas Edison was Black?

Owen said...

Public safety is a goal. Law and order is how you typically get to the goal (there are other ways: like armed neighborhood patrols and carrying personal firearms).

People have begun to notice the collapse of public safety (an estimated 570 violent “protests” in 220 different locations so far this year, almost all since Saint George Floyd OD’d on camera). They respond to this collapse by asking where the HELL the police have gone; upon being told by the Democrats that the police are all evil violent racists who need a total overhaul, people adjust their personal strategies and go buy guns. There are, I am told, record numbers of new gun owners. Millions of them. Firearms suppliers are sold out. Ammunition is impossible to find.

Let me hazard the guess that of the new gun owners (many of them suburbanites, at least some of them women) not all will vote Democrat. No, not even after Biden reassures them that he, too, has a shotgun somewhere.

Paul Snively said...

Talking the wrong way beats the hell out of everything from not talking about the BLM/Antifa left-wing riots at all to blaming them on Trump.

Mark said...

"his ability to talk about racial justice and racial equality in a way that sounds like a traditional white, suburban guy."

Says the white guy.

Kirk Parker said...

The assertion that Biden "gets" anything is beyond laughable.

bagoh20 said...

"It really does feel like Biden himself is almost the best candidate for this moment"

This is what I hear:

https://youtu.be/9hNIX7V21pU

walter said...

"ability to talk" and "Joe Biden" are an unhappy marriage.
Trump should invoke Team Clipboard in the face of rioting and looting.

Zach said...

there’s an undercurrent of uneasiness about how quickly the president shifted the focus of the campaign away from his coronavirus response and toward public safety

Is this really surprising? Biden is barely campaigning. When's the last time something Biden did or said set the agenda for the day?

The coronavirus is a huge issue, and Biden can do well in the polls by being an essentially passive alternative to the status quo. But presidential campaigns usually feature more than one issue, and you can't be the passive recipient of public discontent on all of them.

People have been rioting for 100 days now. On how many of those days have we been talking about the Biden Plan for stopping the rioting? Or the Biden Plan for reforming the police, if that's the angle he wants to take?

A presidential campaign is highly time limited, and Biden has been invisible since March.

bagoh20 said...

"Biden lead evaporates in Texas: poll"

"Trump is now leading Biden among likely voters, 48 to 46 percent, according to the poll from The Dallas Morning News and the University of Texas at Tyler.

Biden had been leading Trump among likely Texas voters by 5 points in early July in a similar poll."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/515317-biden-lead-evaporates-in-texas-poll

Paul said...

Hahahaha... 'right words'. Trump knows the right words and he says them. I see ZERO Biden 2020 signs in my city (population well over 100,000.) I am now seeing maybe 20 Trump 2020 signs in the yards around here (might get one myself.) Several cars with Trump bumper stickers to.

Like in 2016, I had this vibe Trump would win... he is gonna win again.

Only this time he has a good track record and Biden still has the Obama track record.

rehajm said...

He's not the one that killed gramms by bringing corona to the nursing home.

Was he supposed to tell people to wear two masks? That's not science...

...and since this is smear season, all of these pig fuckers would starve if they had to live off of making accurate assessments of people calling for law and order. Those people want to be safe from people empowered by government officials to commit violent crime.

...or at least given a fair trial when they start shooting those people...

Temujin said...

I don't know how Oakland County is going to go. But I do have a friend there who is a long time Democrat voter who texted me a photo of a sign on her lawn. It's a Blue Lives Matter sign. She's a critical care worker. She deals with police that save peoples lives every day. She's tired of the BS going on in this country. She's never put up a political flavored sign in her yard- ever. Until now. (ps- she voted for Hillary last time. She's voting for Trump this time.)

Interestingly, I've seen some Blue Lives Matter signs around me in Florida as well. I suspect there's a helluva backlash brewing.

That said, I know there are both die-hard Dems and Repubs in Oakland Co. If they're like the rest of the nation, most will vote as they always do. It'll come down to a few- like my friend- who change their minds this time around. But do not confuse these people with independents. Those are a different category. This election will see numbers of people crossing the line to be where they never saw themselves previously.

Sebastian said...

"law-and-order posturing"

Why posturing?

"his ability to talk"

Demonstrated how, and when?

pacwest said...

I wish I knew who is running Biden for President. It's clear that someone (or something) is pulling the strings. Is it a cabal of special social justice interests? I don't think they can get along well enough to play in the same sandbox on this level. Big tech protecting their global interests? China? Something very odd is going on here. There's a shadow behind the Biden candidacy that's hard to see through. The Soros cloak is easy enough to make out, but it looks like more than that to me. Wish I was a fly on the wall behind the scenes. Obviously Biden is bought and paid for. Buy who? What's the endgame?

bagoh20 said...

"Paste eaters"

That's good.

"On The Powerpuff Girls, there was a boy in the girls' class named Elmer Sglue who was teased (mainly by Buttercup) for eating paste. A fly tainted by toxic waste fell on the paste he was eating, turning him into a giant glue monster who wreaked havoc on the city. "

Fits pretty well on the members of the toddler tantrum army.

Bob Smith said...

I can translate that for you. “Joe Biden is the candidate for this moment because he’s a 30 year grifter and we’re used to people like him in government service”

Yancey Ward said...

Yeah, Trump should listen to Frank Luntz.

To Luntz' credit, he didn't remove this tweet on November 9th, or ever, unlike most of the political pollsters and operatives did after the 2016 election.

SGT Ted said...

This is wish-casting and simply affirming what his employers want to hear.

tim maguire said...

Biden doesn't suffer from widespread dislike the way Hillary did so Trump doesn't have that built in advantage. I expect Trump to win, hopefully handily, handily enough that the Democrats don't spend another 4 years whinging about how dey was robbed, but the continuing failure of the polls to tighten is a head scratcher. It can't be fully explained by the hidden Trump voters.

Jupiter said...

Racial Justice and Racial Equality

"Hunter Ashleigh Shackelford (she/ they) is a Black fat cultural producer, multidisciplinary artist, nonbinary shapeshifter, hood feminist, and data futurist based in Atlanta, Georgia, with roots in Richmond, Virginia. She is the creator and director of a Southern body liberation organization, Free Figure Revolution, which focuses on decolonizing antiblack body violence. With bylines in Wear Your Voice Magazine, For Harriet, Buzzfeed, and Black Girl Dangerous, Ashleigh illustrates the relationship between Blackness, fatness, desire, queerness, afrotechnology, and popular culture."

bagoh20 said...

There actually are some people who do the right talk about race. People who know what they are talking about, and who talk from a place of humanity and love:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1302950333602246656

William said...

He's old and ineffectual. There's comfort in that. It appeals to white, suburban voters.

Kevin said...

The Democrats know they can fool some of the people all of the time.

n.n said...

He doesn’t particularly sound woke

Woke and drowsy. Woke implies a denial or fluid principles when it is deemed to be politically congruent. For example, diversity is founded on the belief in class-based taxonomies (e.g. Marxist) of people that denies individual dignity, denies individual conscience, normalizes color quotas, color blocs, and affirmative discrimination. Diversity dogma is a foundational belief of the Pro-Choice quasi-religion ("ethics") of the Progressive Church.

Joe Smith said...

If the virus hadn't popped up, Trump would be impossible to beat re: the economy.

But once things went to hell, the Democrats should have picked a team that could have crushed Trump. Mainstream, boring politicians is all they needed.

All they had to do was to not be crazy. They had one job.

Mid-Life Lawyer said...

"Law and order" and "public safety" are interchangeable terms to normal people.

David-2 said...

You all know about the "shy" Trump voters who lie to the pollsters? Well, the same thing goes with "shy" Democrat party officials who lie to reporters. Because they don't want all the s*it that will pour down on them - plus loss of their job! - should they say what they really think. With their name in the article! Their situation is worse than the "shy" Trump voter who only suspects he might be tracked down and dealt with.

Narayanan said...

i am seeing internet battle between - va mission act (Trump) vs va choice act (OBiden)

what is that all about? what does that add to discussion about Trump "comments"

robother said...

People sleep peacefully in their beds only because soft-spoken men stand ready to frown on violence.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“Biden said of the public’s response to Trump’s law-and-order posturing last week that “they ain't buying it.” “

Oh, Sweet Baby Jesus. They bought it alright. And with an alacrity I haven’t seen since 9/11. The Donks endorsing the riots in the middle of the lockdown has to be one of the greatest unforced errors in postwar American politics.

Robert Cook said...

Anyone who can say Biden is "almost the best candidate for this moment" (why the hedge of "almost"?) must be one or more of the following:

1. Stupid
2. Knowingly lying
3. A dupe of the corrupt, bankrupt-of-ideas Democratic Party
4. Crazy
5. Stupid

In other words, no different in essence from those who say Trump is anything other than a corrupt bully and narcissist.

Narayanan said...

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...
KRUISER:
“The nightly scenes from Portland are probably the most effective Trump-Pence 2020 ads possible.
-------------==========
any data on who is seeing them? are they on MSM outlets?!
are they even on local media where they are happening live?
or only social media which has been "bubblefied' + circle retweets?

madAsHell said...

"It really does feel like Biden himself is almost the best candidate for this moment because of who he is as a person and his ability to talk about racial justice and racial equality in a way that sounds like a traditional white, suburban guy."

When did Vaughn become a women's name???

Original Mike said...

"Frank Luntz, the veteran Republican consultant and pollster, said in an email that Trump “is talking about the right issue, but he's talking the wrong way. Suburban voters want ‘public safety’ even more than law and order."

People pay this guy for these pearls?

AllenS said...

Suburban voters want ‘public safety’ even more than law and order.

You get public safety with law and order.

They want ‘safe streets’ rather than ‘dominating the streets'

Well, I guess it all depends on who is dominating the streets. Would you like the police dominating the streets, or Antifa?

Michael K said...

California is now have 112 degree heat and no AC with electric power off.

That"Gender Reveal" party, you know.

Francisco D said...

Leftists imagine that "typical" White suburban fathers are corporate drones who have nothing to offer their families than a paycheck. Otherwise, it's fish/bicycle all the way.

It is funny that the Democrat Media Hollywood culture has demonized White suburban (and rural) men, but still hopes to get their votes.

cubanbob said...

Joe Biden would be doing the country a yuuuge favor by being a pitchman for Depends and Ensure instead of being president. The Left could get him to sign anything as long as they get a woman to let him sniff her hair and finger her. And that ain't no malarkey!

Phil 314 said...

Is this a typical suburban white guy?

Phil 314 said...

Robother at 11:44 was EXCELLENT! If you made it up, you better copyright it fast.

I'm Not Sure said...

""Hunter Ashleigh Shackelford (she/ they) is a Black fat cultural producer..."

Saw the picture, as it appears there's enough for at least two people there, I'm going with "they".

gadfly said...

In 2016, the new guy's lies were believed and few investigated his rackets. And nobody in either party really wanted unlikable Hillary whose turn on the wheel had arrived.

2020 is a new game since Trump has told us and has shown himself to be a swindler, mentally incapable of leading and putting America first.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

DanTheMan said...

Wishful thinking. It's what he wants to be true, not what is true

That's why the "Right Words" are important, especially when your whole political movement is headed down the the toilet.

Right now the Left is like Hitler after he was told that Berlin could not be saved. He spent hours in the Furherbunker planning offensives against the Soviets that could never be carried out.

And if you don't believe me, check out Matt Taibbi's latest. It's a takedown (and a pretty good one) of "Vicky" Osterweil's book. But what's priceless is the comments section. A bunch of Boomer lefties strategizing away in an attempt to convince themselves that victory is just in sight!

I'm Not Sure said...

"because of who he is as a person and his ability to talk about racial justice and racial equality in a way that sounds like a traditional white, suburban guy"

I'm told white people are all racist, and will always be racist. So, why should Biden's opinions on racial justice and racial equality matter to anyone? And why did the Democrats nominate a racist for president?

walter said...

gadfly said...has shown himself to be a swindler, mentally incapable of leading and putting America first.
--
Post Burisma, China revelations and comments and garbled malarkey, a perfect summary of Boldfinger Biden/Team Dementia

Drago said...

gadfly: "2020 is a new game since Trump has told us and has shown himself to be a swindler, mentally incapable of leading and putting America first."

Seriously, do you have a learning disability of some sort?

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“Wish I was a fly on the wall behind the scenes. Obviously Biden is bought and paid for. Buy who? What's the endgame?”

To lose. And then, in the ensuing hysterical blame-casting, purge the econ-Left from the Democrat Party. Trannies? Fine. Gun control? Hell, yeah. Virtue-signaling about race? Sure, we can always use a few more Black votes. MeToo? OK, but not when there’s a Clinton in the room. Threaten the systems and industries that allow us to fill our pockets with obscene amounts of graft? Oh, fuck no!

Anonymous said...

37 years in Washington & 8 years with Obama & he just now claims he can fix what is supposedly all that is wrong with America?

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“And nobody in either party really wanted unlikable Hillary whose turn on the wheel had arrived.”

Cracker, please. The Donks were all in on HRC until she lost. Even that will be nothing compared to the way they’re talking about Biden in the second week of November. Poor guy. He’s going to spend the remaining years of his life as an utter pariah.

Drago said...

"Frank Luntz, the veteran Republican consultant and pollster, said in an email that Trump “is talking about the right issue, but he's talking the wrong way. Suburban voters want ‘public safety’ even more than law and order."

Original Mike: "People pay this guy for these pearls?"

Posted again for your viewing pleasure and will tell you everything you need to know about Luntz' "expertise":

First, watch the first 25 minutes of the Yahoo 2016 election night coverage where Frank Luntz and the execrable "republican" (LOL) Katie Packer (Romney fangirl, naturally) provide us all detailed insights into why not only would Trump be a big big loser by the end of the night, but would also lead to democrats running all of Washington after that evening.

And yes, I realize that by posting it LLR-lefty ***** and the moron gadfly's heads might go all "splodey" from the "might have beens":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGbXHbNiOcU&t=799s

Then, after those 25 minutes, catch Luntz' act on CBS election night coverage for (go to the 4:19:00 mark and watch for 10 minutes) when the results were becoming clear and you will see how Luntz positions himself as the "expert" who knows exactly what is happening and why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6V32K3YqTY&t=16041s


I like to think of these back to back clips as LLR-lefty ***** thinking he's hanging with Morgan Fairchild and then, waking up in a sweat, only to realize that he has another load of laundry to do, if you know what I mean.

Drago said...

Commie Cook: "In other words, no different in essence from those who say Trump is anything other than a corrupt bully and narcissist."

Cookie really really doesn't like those renegotiated trade deals and Trump's refusal to start new wars and Trump's focus on pinning down China.

In fact, if I had to guess what upsets a would be Stalinist the most about Trump, it would be Trump's attacking the ChiCom's on all fronts: economic, military and political.

I especially like how Trump is cleverly crafting a strategic cordon around China with increased South Korean and Japanese offensive military capabilities, shifting of supply chains to other asian allies while redirecting all national health care supply chains be returned to the US, forcefully standing up the ChiCom expansion plans in the Spratley Islands (I'll be ARM is still pissed about that for his Beijing buddies), and getting India on board long term with US strategic containment plans.

Suck it Cookie. Trump has more of your commie pals on the run and you don't like. Trust me, when Trump wins reelection you are going to hate it every bit as much as you hated seeing the Berlin wall come down.

You remember that, don't you? It was the wall your commie pals put up to, you know, wink wink, keep people from trying to sneak INTO the commie People's Paradise.

LOL

Jim at said...

Again, if this turns out to be a law-and-order election, Republicans up and down the ticket will win. Not just Trump.

This is not new.

narciso said...

also hamas fanboi for a time,

https://babalublog.com/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-jeffrey-goldberg-says-trump-creates-a-sense-of-horror-but-goldberg-was-totally-charmed-upon-meeting-fidel-castro-who-he-called-the-great-man-and-whose-propaganda-goldberg-par/

Jack Klompus said...

Gadfly is a painfully stupid human being.

Michael K said...

gadfly gets crazier every week. I sometimes wonder if he is just a parody account like Babylon Bee. Most of the other lefties seem to be avoiding the most obvious Democrat lies but not gadfly and, of course, freder and Inga are right on board.

Cook is dreaming of his cut rate honeymoon in Cuba since he did not have Bernie's money for USSR.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

gadfly - now do Biden family swindle. It's epic and international.... and involves our tax dollars washed clean and some stripper F*ing.

we wait.

DanTheMan said...

>>Biden had been leading Trump among likely Texas voters by 5 points in early July in a similar poll."

Biden with a 5 point lead in Texas? Seriously? Texas has not gone D since 1976, but Biden was going to flip it?

Maybe if every illegal votes 3 times.

Or is that the plan?

traditionalguy said...

Of course it’s never too late to nominate a well known woman candidate in place of Biden. RBG could run a better campaign with more energy and intelligence than Biden .

daskol said...

Frank Luntz fucking cares, that's who. That's his whole life, focus grouping hot topics and diving wisdom from the opinions of ignoramuses. In fairness, he's occasionally surfaced some suprirsing reactions people have had, but his presumption to speak for the silent majority or common man's perspective is irksome.

Francisco D said...

Why does anyone bother reading gadfly's DNC propaganda?

He is worse than Chuckles, if not as phony. Like Inga, Freder and steve uhr he just repeats what he is told without any cognitive mediation whatsoever. He has nothing to offer in terms of insight or information. I guess the trolls just want to annoy people.

I would rather discuss topics in a somewhat intelligent manner. The trolls are not equipped for that.

Gospace said...

MadAsHell,

Not quite Vaughn but close enough.

In my family tree I have a Dora Vaughan born 1908 and a Josephine Vaughan born 1980, last names left out. So at least since 1908.

DEEBEE said...

The other leg, invariably, to that “he is talking the wrong way” is “but he end up doing the right thing. Sounds a little like Inspector Clouseau sans the bumbling.

Drago said...

"Biden had been leading Trump among likely Texas voters by 5 points in early July in a similar poll."

In August of 1988 the New York Times had Michael Dukakis up over HW Bush in Texas by.....10%!!!

So we should always take these polls by the legacy marxist media at face value.

Kevin said...

Biden is great if Trump will just stand there and let the media define him like they've done for the last four years.

However, Trump is reentering Campaign Mode, and his OODA loop will get shorter and sharper from here on out.

Biden's OODA loop is, well, approaching infinity. And the press is getting more and more exposed as it tries to make up for his deficiencies.

“The ability to operate at a faster tempo or rhythm than an adversary enables one to fold the adversary back inside himself so that he can neither appreciate nor keep up with what is going on. He will become disoriented and confused…”

— John Boyd


OODA LOOP: What You Can Learn from Fighter Pilots About Making Fast and Accurate Decisions

Michael said...

"His (Trump's) rhetoric is over-caffeinated.”

As though Antifa and BLM were mellow and drug-free. Sometimes you fight fire with fire.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

"Woke" ??? He's f*@king sleepwalking,

...literally led around by his handlers

And this line:

"It really does feel like Biden himself is almost the best candidate..."

That's just pitiful.
None of that connotes "is actually", and is originating from someone who isnt Biden himself.
This poor campaign hack is straining to cobble together some meager garnish to dress up this thin gruel.

We dont want/need an old, effete, senile, submissive cuck to comply with the frenzied dictates of fascists, at home OR abroad.

Steve said...

Are we not even going to mention that Biden wrote the crime bill that locked up tens (hundreds?) of thousands of young black men for minor crimes? He is the poster fogey for systemic racism.

“Racial jungle”
"You can't go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accen
“I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland... He always called me son.”
“Poor kids” just as bright as “white kids”
“You ain’t black.”
“Predators on our streets”

The dems and the media have chosen a side.

pacwest said...

The pictures of antifa criminals harassing restaurant goers are gold for the Trump campaign. Everyone wants CV19 restrictions over, and everyone is hoping the local restaurants will be able to survive so they can enjoy a night out. I'm pretty sure they don't want a bunch of criminals trashing the place while they're eating.
You can even see it from our resident lefties. Attacking the police is OK, but they can't approve the diner disruption. That hits too close to home.

I love it! Keep it up folks. 50 states!

Tom said...

I have a Democrat friend who’s helping with a Democrat’s (and her high school friend) hopeless senate campaign in a red state.

She’s simply descended into sharing talking point as though they’re independent thoughts.

I asked her how intellectually dishonest she has to be with herself in order to support Biden — her response was, “enough to beat Trump.”

bagoh20 said...

"In other words, no different in essence from those who say Trump is anything other than a corrupt bully and narcissist."

Is that really all he is? Your educated, well-read, reasonable mind can't see the man as anything more than that? Buildings and organizations around the world bear his name, and not honorary like a Nobel Peace Prize, earned by risk taking and work. He employs thousands, and has for decades. He reached the top of multiple industries to create those jobs. He presided over the most dynamic economy in the world through the power of deregulation, tax cuts, and the simple promise of a man who understands what works rather than what sounds good. He renegotiated and reset trade and military agreements to the benefit of Americans to a degree missing for decades, while keeping us out of unnecessary military conflicts. He exposed the corruption and dishonesty of our political and media bureaucracies. He did all that in less than 4 years with a singular and uncommon style of personality, strength, and pragmatism that is uniquely his, and your mind sees that as nothing but "a corrupt bully and narcissist"? Can you give us just one way you would have done better with any of that?

DanTheMan said...

>>comply with the frenzied dictates of fascists, at home OR abroad.

I believe that is a fair summary of the Democratic party platform.

Funny that no one has asked Joe about the billions in cash Obama sent to the Iranians, and if he thought that was a good idea.

President Biden will likey send billions to BLM and Antifa, too.... as "community rebuilding" grants.

DavidUW said...

Interesting that suburbanites in the middle of the country understand over-the-top negotiating language new yorkers employ better than the media critters that live or used to live in Manhattan.

Nabi said...

'Almost' the best candidate.That means 'not quite'. I can go along with that.

ken in tx said...

Everyday I see comments like gadfly's here and on Facebook. I want to say, "Why do you believe this sh!t?" I don't because some of them know me and they might be dangerous.

Unknown said...

Right one thing lacking is talk about racism

But it would be swell to have Biden capitulate for the white race

That is what the Antifa insurrection wants - by calling it "white colony" than can replace it with Socialist Utopia

the blacks are just the useful idiots for the midwits

Jack Klompus said...

Can you give us just one way you would have done better with any of that?

Please bagoh, Florida Man Cookie does all that and more by reminding us that he lives in New York City and claiming that everything on the left is "right wing" by his boutique radical standards.

Rusty said...

" Can you give us just one way you would have done better with any of that?"
I'll wait with you. Mind if I bring a chair?

Banjo said...

My wife dislikes Trump because of his rude blustering and insulting manner toward others even when they have it coming. (She is a very nice woman). She voted for Hillary but now detests her. She has a friend who is also a very nice woman with a husband who both adored Hillary and still do and will vote for the dotard. They both had careers as education bureaucrats, so that explains everything. My wife and her friend have agreed not to discuss politics. So Trump picks up 25% of the two households over last time. In the microcosm I see a reflection of the macrocosm.

SensibleCitizen said...

There's barely daylight between the woke ideology on the black experience in America, and the white separatist position from 1865.

It goes like this, "Because of the ravages of slavery, and because European Americans have built a society based on a specific set of values, black Americans will have a very difficult or impossible time assimilating."

The solutions are similar as well, "segregate blacks (as in NYU dormitory proposal), give them a UBI (welfare, reparations, etc.), and encourage the self-annihilation of their offspring (put a planned parenthood clinic on every corner in black neighborhoods)."

SensibleCitizen said...

There's barely daylight between the woke ideology on the black experience in America, and the white separatist position from 1865.

It goes like this, "Because of the ravages of slavery, and because European Americans have built a society based on a specific set of values, black Americans will have a very difficult or impossible time assimilating."

The solutions are similar as well, "segregate blacks (as in NYU dormitory proposal), give them a UBI (welfare, reparations, etc.), and encourage the self-annihilation of their offspring (put a planned parenthood clinic on every corner in black neighborhoods)."

hstad said...

That's the problem with elections - especially Presidential elections. We will be bombarded with non-stop propoganda until election day. It's hard for me to read anything in the Press anymore. It's not information which is useful - just 24/7 propoganda from both sides. Well - 'C'est La Vie'!

Lurker21 said...


Many college-educated White suburban guys are for Biden because they don't like Trump. It's certainly like that in the blue states. But they don't "sound like" Biden, and Biden doesn't "sound like" them. He sounds like their fathers or grandfathers (or somebody's father or grandfather).

I'm not sure if that's a plus or minus for Joe. I guess the point was that Biden sounds non-threatening. He certainly doesn't sound like a firebrand or a hot-head, but he doesn't sound like anybody under 70 years old does. Is it really reassuring that he sounds like he's living in the past much of the time?