Photographed by me at 5:59 this morning.
June 28, 2020
The "Black Lives Mattered to Col. Heg" sign — at the base of the empty plinth where Heg once stood — marred by scrawled "Yeah, & the state is STILL RACIST."
Photographed by me at 5:59 this morning.
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I hope this will clarify matters to those who are laboring under the illusion that what is happening has anything to do with the actuality of what the US, our history, and our ideals are; it is simply a matter of the exhilarating nihilism of destruction for pleasure's sake.
It’s parody at this point
When you define racist as "having white skin" you really need to rethink your definition of racism. Here's a hint: If you define a thought pattern, a behavior pattern, a societal pattern, on the basis of skin color, YOU are the racist.
There is no compromise. There can be no compromise. You may not voluntarily submit to the Gleischaltung, but you will be made to submit to the Gleischaltung. Reminds me of a Revolutionary Movements class at the good old UW in the early 90s. We studied Cambodia. I asked the prof how a highly educated leadership (Pol Pot was just that) could willingly kill so many. The response was chilling. “Resisting the movement is no different from how cancer resists the body’s immune system. If a patient has cancer in the leg, you cut off the leg to save the patient.” Cambodia happened within my lifetime! Do I think the Killing Fields are in our future? I hope not. But what ended that? Vietnam (communist Vietnam!) intervened. Who intervenes if that comes to power here? Mexico? Canada?
Here is a pretty good primer on BLM and its communist origins.
There is no place for rational discussion with the woke. Mobs don't like discussion. Mobs don't care about facts. Mobs don't care about reason. Mobs define their own truth and forcibly impose it on others.
Perfect. Facts do not matter.
What is the difference between pedestal and plinth?
... the difference between pedestal and plinth is that pedestal is (architecture) the base or foot of a column, statue, vase, lamp, or the like; the part on which an upright work stands while plinth is a block or slab upon which a column, pedestal, statue or other structure is based.
That's a short, confusing explanation.
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A much better explanation, with examples:
What's the difference between pedestal and plinth?
Meanwhile yesterday in Chicago, in broad daylight, a 20 month old boy was shot and killed while strapped in his car seat. At 2pm, while his mom was driving home from the laundromat. Some car pulled up next to them and fired 7 or 8 shots into the car.
Last weekend a three year old boy was killed the same way, strapped in a car seat, coming home with his stepdad from the barber shop. Broad daylight.
No statement from BLM as of this writing.
They don’t care. At all. Because if they even pretended to care just a little bit, just to manage the PR side of things, they would issue a statement or something.
Are you laughing yet? Because the rest of us are.
"The state is STILL RACIST and ALWAYS WILL BE," because we say so, and therefore it will provide lots of secure, highly paid jobs to us and our fellow graduates of grievance studies programs forever. Vive l'Etat!
Like trying to reason with children.
Wisconsin is historically one of the most Progressive/Democratic states there is. If Wisconsin is as racist as Black people are saying it is, perhaps it is time they rethought their obedience to the Democratic Party and shifted their vote to the Republican Party to see if they can fix things.
Why is the state still racist if they destroyed the statue?
White people be like:
"look at our statute! We care bout black people because 180 years ago this other white person cared about black people!"
The real racists ARE the woke-mob.
"Yeah, & the state is STILL RACIST."
They misspelled DEMOCRAT.
it Just Doesn't Matter!
he was A WHITE DEVIL!
ALL A WHITE DEVILS are EVIL!!!!
RID THE WORLD OF THESE LACTOSE TOLERANT MUTANTS!
Publuc space should be reserved for actual art, not art designed to promote a "message" or point of view (i.e. propaganda).
Art should not be subverted by trying to also convey a message. This is the problem with statues generally: they are so banal.
Publi push back is starting to come to the surface. 99.9 % is still submerged. Out of sight. But very real.
One of my cousins posted a picture of the statue of Stevie Ray Vaughan in Dallas, which had graffiti painted on it. The turdballs are just vandalizing anything that doesn’t move. And the State is NOT racist! Racism has been illegal in the public square for decades, and most companies are highly desirous of qualified minority employees. There are still individuals who are racist, of course, but racism as public policy is long gone.
"Yeah, & the state is STILL RACIST."
True.
After pulling it down, the state is still racist. In other words, NOTHING can ever be enough.
In other words -- per critical race theory -- the entire system, structure, culture is inherently and permanently and irredeemably tainted with white supremacy and always will be. The ENTIRETY of the white structure and culture have criminally benefited from the blood of Black people and they must ALL be divested of their ill-gotten gains, that is, it must all be taken away -- including from the white privileged progressives. And even then, with the white reduced to nothing and Black people holding the reins of power, STILL it will not be enough. White folks still owe 400 YEARS of debt to Black people.
Understand what our nation, our world, is facing here.
Who will ever put a stop to this? Your mayor won't. Your city council won't. Your police won't. Your Governor won't. The President won't. You're just shit out of luck and bad luck at that. Might a Southerner who's great great grandfather (Kershaw's brigade of Longstreety Corp) fought against Col Heg his heroic Wisconsin Volunteers at Chickamauga in 1863 make a suggestion? Reform the 15th volunteers.
There comes a time when debating with, or negotiating with the incoherent cultists becomes a weakness on your part. There comes a time when it's more prudent to just whack the hell out of them.
I think we're at that point. It will look bad, but it'll save a lot of lives in the long run.
You will never be good enough for the Hot Girl...
I must say I find this comment added to the bottom of the sign at the site of the Heg statue opaque. Indeed, I consider such inane and casual strewing about of the term "racist" to be in itself racist. I do not tolerate such casual racism, and I denounce anyone who defends such use of "racist" as racist.
Tomorrow, let's discuss treating people as individuals.
Yes, the State is still racist.
The State identifies persons by metrics of age, height, weight, and "race." The ill-defined "race" metric is often used as the sole determinant for qualification or exclusion from certain State provided gratuities.
Yeah, everybody is racist. I get that. The difference is that whites have the power to lord their racism over minorities of their choosing. Blacks are just exercising their power using asymmetrical methods.
Here is an example where I bet you people rooted for the weaker man using asymmetrical methods to defeat a stronger opponent.
Rules?... In a Knife Fight!!
One Two Three... GO!
Name calling is so convincing...
In some afterlife, Howard Zinn smiles. His work bore fruit.
it is simply a matter of the exhilarating nihilism of destruction for pleasure's sake.
For pleasure, profit, and leverage through the creation and spread of sociopolitical myths.
If you define a thought pattern, a behavior pattern, a societal pattern, on the basis of skin color, YOU are the racist.
Exactly. This is why diversity (i.e. color judgments) including racism, sexism, etc., is a persistent, resistant condition, despite efforts to mitigate its progress.
"The difference is that whites have the power to lord their racism over minorities of their choosing."
Now, Howard, that is just silly. I can take you to some neighborhoods in Chicago where being white is a great big negative, and no white people do much besides leave as fast as they can. I bet you won't feel like you are lording your racism over the locals when I drive off and leave you there.
The ill-defined "race" metric is often used as the sole determinant for qualification or exclusion
Affirmative discrimination was one realization and its progress has normalized a resistant strain of dysfunction. There may be "racial" differences from a genetic perspective (e.g. Her Choice including pathogenic affinities), but the use of racial labels and judgments, including: African-American (i.e. 1/2 American) denies the community identity of people based on color, not character (e.g. principles) judgments. It's a residual legacy from a monotonically divergent era that hoped for change, but woke and sleepy sustained the status quo.
"Something is wrong. Therefore everything is wrong and always has been."
What principle of logic is this, exactly?
Damned racists removed the artwork that the passionately intense has left on what remains of the Heg's monument.
Reasoning with Leftist is a fool's errand. But Center-right types NEVER understand this. I'm sure there were plenty of Russian conservatives in 1917, saying "If I could only sit down with that nice Mr. Lenin, I could make him understand that Capitalism isn't all bad".
I wonder if the Antifa that wrote the sign was black. I'll bet 4-1 he's white.
Howard said...
Yeah, everybody is racist. I get that. The difference is that whites have the power to lord their racism over minorities of their choosing. Blacks are just exercising their power using asymmetrical methods.
Here is an example where I bet you people rooted for the weaker man using asymmetrical methods to defeat a stronger opponent.
Rules?... In a Knife Fight!!
One Two Three... GO!
I agree with Howard.
At some point there will be a pause on civilization.
Howard is a piece of shit and a coward who simultaneously cheers it's coming and mocks people who wish to avoid it.
But I have seen what is coming.
You better slink off and hide Howard. You and all your BLM/Antifa friends better sneak off and hide.
And you better hope the DOJ starts throwing these shitty little fucks in jail. The Trump administration is the only thing between us and you right now.
BLM is to Democrats what the IRA was to Sinn Fein, only dumber, on both ends.
"Publuc (sic) space should be reserved for actual art, not art designed to promote a "message" or point of view (i.e. propaganda).
This message was 'our society righted a wrong'. Can't have that.
If they can't be appeased, then why bother trying.
Nobody ever grew cotton in Wisconsin, so why does it have any Blacks?
If you believe, really indoctrinated into believing, that all white people are racist - innately so - and think (correctly) that most of the people running the country's institutions, public and private, are white then it logically follows that the country is racist. The country is run by racist people after all.
There is no place compromise, for a reasoned "good faith" exchange, when one side views the other as evil. Read Nikole Hannah-Jones' views on white people.
We've thought for over twenty years that this type of thinking, this world view, was limited to academia, to our universities. Well, it's now here and we're going to have a difficult time dealing with it.
The cadets which were the liberals were weak on the point, the social revolutionaries who had fought the czar for about 25 years were clearer.
What are we going to do with a few million laid off police officers who have been called racists and shot at by BLM for the last few years?
Hmm...
rcocean said...
I wonder if the Antifa that wrote the sign was black. I'll bet 4-1 he's white.
He?
Look at the penmanship...
Lincoln needs to take a dump in a lake. He’s the cause of all this.
Sic semper tyrannis
"Yeah, & the state is STILL RACIST."
Therefore, you can't have no statue of Heg.
Prog logic. Get used to it.
In some afterlife, Howard Zinn smiles. His work bore fruit.
Probably. But Zinn was a Marxist (he said "democratic socialist" but we know what he meant) and viewed America's evils as caused by capitalism not racism (although he thought the US war racist too).
This new group has substituted race for class and argue that all of the problems are due not to capitalism or class division (as Zinn thought) but to white people.
This is why, I think, Sanders had problems attracting this "woke" crowd, the mostly radical white element. Sanders still thinks class divides the country; they think it's race (and to a lesser extend gender, sexual orientation, et cetera).
Whoever wrote that has a point. The state is currently run by Democrats.
#DemocratsAreRacist
"Yeah, & the state is STILL RACIST."
The racism charge is a blank check. It can used for anything. Sports, art, pancake mix, cartoons, playgrounds....
We've created a generation that looks around the country trying to find racism. It provides a purpose and meaning for their lives. It's a good goal - to eliminate racism - but this is not what's happening. It's now just a power currency used to attack a world they hate.
>"And the state is still racist."
You are entitled to your opinion. It's a free country.
See how easy that is?
>>We've created a generation that looks around the country trying to find racism
And they have been very well trained. They can detect racism 10 out of 5 times.
Heg was white. Hear me?
Stop trying to confuse things with history.
By the way, how is that Obama shrine coming in Chicago?
Oh..
Aunt Jemima
Numerator Brand Snapshot
Rational examination of racism became impossible once we permitted the critical theorists to completely re-define the word Racism a few decades ago to mean "prejudice plus power" and similar formulations. We should have never let that go unchallenged. They had no right to take a meaningful term that was well-understood by everyone and just twist its meaning, overnight. If they wanted to view problems related to race in this totalizing, structural way, they should have invented their own damn term.
Insult to injury, they also didn't generate a new term for what the old term meant. There's no commonly-accepted word to describe the attitudes or behavior of someone who hates or hurts someone based on the victim's race.
One of my cousins posted a picture of the statue of Stevie Ray Vaughan in Dallas
From 2018?
I don't like that word "plinth". Don't like reading it, certainly won't say it. It's a poorly made word. Find another, or risk being cancelled. I can make it happen. I'm an influencer, at least among my pets, most of them anyway.
"You better slink off and hide Howard. You and all your BLM/Antifa friends better sneak off and hide."
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Howard, rumor has it that Bill Barr will have you, Inga, ARM and Freder doxxed any day now.
Srsly.
Cases in Madison. Paging Inga, who sold her covid credibility for pottage.
"There's no commonly-accepted word to describe the attitudes or behavior of someone who hates or hurts someone based on the victim's race."
But the very idea or concept of a "shared" language or vocabulary, a "shared" humanity is opposed by these groups. They reject the very idea of a common humanity, of a shared experience. For them, everything is about race or gender or some identity. The liberal tradition of "good faith" people coming together to work out problems is rejected by them.
Why? Because those with power are racists (unless they surrender); the liberal tradition consists of instruments or tools, e.g., due process, free speech, used by the white supremacists to maintain power; and since they are victims they don't need to compromise any (certainly not with the people who victimized them), they must be made whole again.
In this view, we simply cannot exclude race or gender or "identity" from any discussion. There's no such thing as a common or shared humanity or experience; it's all about these characteristics. Race and sex and sexual orientation is literally everything.
Read Marx: then just substitute these identifies for class and most of it follows. Whites are the capitalist oppressors and non-whites are the oppressed proletariat.
The tide is turning.
I hope Howard The Marine is as good a marksman as Lee Harvey Oswald when he finds his white azz in the shit with the rest of the whiteys.
As for appeasing the BLM/Communists, what's the point? It will you nowhere and more demands. Therefore if you are going to do the time,might as well do the crime. Let's repeal the 13th, 14th, 17th and 19th amendments. No more feelings voting. No more income tax and oversized federal government. No more consideration to be given to reparations and no more kowtowing the Marxist PC "rights". Go big or go home.
Howard said...Yeah, everybody is racist. I get that. The difference is that whites have the power to lord their racism over minorities of their choosing.
Howard,
You are turning out to be another mindless leftist who repeats slogans that sound good. Your statement is a sound bite without meaning.
How is that power acquired and exercised? Under what circumstances have you known it to be used?
What does it mean to "lord over" minorities?
back around 1990, there was a guy at Iowa State* that wrote for the ISU Daily;
and his catch phrase was: Racism is Power plus Prejudice
his premise was that We ALL have Prejudices (like hatin' honkies)...
BUT only THE MAN** has POWER... So, only THE MAN can be Prejudiced
guy at Iowa State* Dave Mosley. Interestingly:
...his parents parents made more money than My parents
...HE had more money than Me
...HE didn't have to pay tuition
...HE got to write at the Daily, unlike me (they didn't need no more white guys)
THE MAN** yes; THE MAN means white people....
ALL white people. ALL white people are racist, 'cause ALL white people have 'power'
My friends and the others
I have two little nieces who are part African-American. You can't, you simply can't, lump them and their hardworking father in with Antifa and the statue topplers. We need to enforce the law and that means getting rid of Dem Mayors and Council members. Maybe we need to understand also that segregation was a bitter experience and anything that reminds its grandchildren of it, sends a pang through them, a chill. And all their relatives standing nearby feel it with them. That doesn't justify supporting anarchists and their Marxist allies who only can destroy but we need to remember what real people are feeling when we listen to propagandists pretending to be those people and not let real people get crowded out.
Blogger Achilles said...
The Trump administration is the only thing between us and you right now.
It's embarrassing how you people constantly brag about instigating a shooting civil war. You are living in a fantasy world hoping one day you can be a right-wing freedom fighter against libtards you elevate to Stalinists to justify your fear and hatred fueled violent pipe dream. I get it. You volunteered for a great cause after 911 and the military globalist complex left you and your brothers hanging out to dry. You naturally blame yourself for this tragic failure and as over-compensation for that black hole left in your psyche. In response you hallucinate about leading a vanguard in a great sacrifice that is not wasted on fubar nation building and fat no-bid contracts. A righteous fight, that's all you want. I get it.
You know in your heart of hearts that if you do decide to bust a nut, you will hurt your wife and kids the most. You don't fool me, you are not that far gone. Besides, you also know that most of your potential compatriots are deranged, old, obese, addicted to prescription meds whose main qualifications are wannabe and has been. They can't survive 5-minutes of PT, miss a supersize meal deal or maintain their cool under duress. Which one of those pus bucketas is going to mistakenly shoot you in the belly? Sure, you might muster up a few dozen hard cases. However, everyone else that you imagine will follow are too busy building a life a family a career to throw it all away based on the ravings of an unbalanced lunatic.
The civil war is never gonna to happen because you know you have too much to lose. That's what makes you a coward: egging on the POS gun nutz on the right who don't know any better.
Shame on you.
Steve M. Galbraith said, quoting me: "There's no commonly-accepted word to describe the attitudes or behavior of someone who hates or hurts someone based on the victim's race."
But the very idea or concept of a "shared" language or vocabulary, a "shared" humanity is opposed by these groups. They reject the very idea of a common humanity, of a shared experience. For them, everything is about race or gender or some identity. The liberal tradition of "good faith" people coming together to work out problems is rejected by them.}}}
Exactly; that's sort of what I was trying to emphasize. We allowed a Marxist-inspired totalitarian movement to take their positions of academic power and abuse that power by replacing commonly understood language with their own preferred terms. Common language that WOULD have allowed us all to engage in useful dialogue. They don't want that.
I think they've been using some Motte and Bailey tactics since then (along with countless other subterfuges) to 1) act as though the radical redefinition of "racism" is widely accepted, and then 2) if specifically asked what, then, is the word to be used instead of racism when, for example, someone is specifically killed because they are white, they act as if there's another perfectly good word for that. Except there isn't one word to convey the horror and stigma that the word "racist" already conveyed; not in their world or in the current woke discourse. If they were honestly working towards ending evil racial things and felt it was necessary to re-define racism to get at its structural nature, they would have shown their good will by establishing a new term to define old-school racist hate at the same time.
We let them appropriate the term "racism" and then also failed to get them to make up a term that shows equal condemnation for harmful racial hate. That enables them to erase human racial hatred and harm from all discourse--unless it comes from white people.
A succinct post that we are dealing with morons, that should be seen as ducks (or wabbits). DUCK SEASON! NO WABBIT SEASON
Shouldn’t this get the new “Never enough” tag?
"Plinth"? Isn't that the cub of one of those 6 legged lion things on Barzoom?
cubanbob: "I hope Howard The Marine is as good a marksman as Lee Harvey Oswald when he finds his white azz in the shit with the rest of the whiteys."
I'd bet Howard was strictly a Peace-time/Stateside grunt, hence the continuous and over the top over-compensation.
@Howard: You know in your heart of hearts that if you do decide to bust a nut, you will hurt your wife and kids the most... everyone else that you imagine will follow are too busy building a life a family a career to throw it all away based on the ravings of an unbalanced lunatic... The civil war is never gonna to happen because you know you have too much to lose.
A blind pig finds an acorn! This analysis is in fact correct.
The problem for Howard and his ilk is that as a nation, we are at the most unstable and unsustainable tipping point of the past 150 years. This is not the unrest of the 60's and 70's, nor the turmoil of Great Depression. Something even worse is lurking in the shadows on the dark path ahead of us.
To speak of these things we must use the language of Dick Cheney and Nassim Taleb. It seems likely to me that we have never faced so many potential "Black Swans" and unknown unknowns - the things that are so opaque to us that we don't even know that we don't know them. Tens or twenty years hence, nothing will be the same as it is now. Great swathes of our national fabric will be ripped apart forever.
All of the assumptions and predicates that Howard has mentioned above-- every single one of them-- are not things that can be taken for granted, in my view. Yes, so long as the average man has a job, a family, and a mortgage, obeys the laws, pays his taxes, and takes all the other duties and responsibilities of citizenship seriously, Howard and his friends are safe from us. So long as the law enforcement and justice establishments still exist at all levels, and so long as those organs' unspoken mission remains primarily oriented at protecting criminally infested minority communities and left-wing revolutionaries from vigilante justice, Howard's superficial analysis will remain correct. These things may seem like part of the permanent bedrock of civilization. But that bedrock is much more rotten and unstable than any on the Left suppose, and the edifice built upon it is shaking.
Take those things away, directly or indirectly, and the social compact disappears. Those fat, middle-aged, hyperglycemic white men whom Howard sneers at will then constitute the largest army on the planet. Why do they need PT? They are armed with tens of millions of weapons that can easily penetrate a politician's limousine, or the brain pan of a megaphone-carrying loudmouth at the head of a mob, from a distance of four football fields, and then easily melt back into the crowd. They know how to use these weapons to great effect, having long experience in harvesting human-sized mammals. They have other useful skills, supplies, trades, and training that are totally foreign to the "vibrant" and "diverse" wards of the State in our urban cores. They belong to a high-trust culture that has waned somewhat but is still strong at its core, with a high level of pre-existing organizational frameworks (churches, service clubs, trade unions, etc.). They can work together, communicate, plan and strategize from the bottom up in ways that the top-down leadership of the left-wing revolutionary vanguard can never hope to duplicate among the useless eaters and aspiring rappers of the big blue cities. They know where the power substations and railroad bridges and natural gas pipelines are.
Howard, you are right that you and your friends will not see a hand raised against you in the near term. No one in Red America is going to make the first move. But if the fight is brought to us, you will lose, and when you do, at least 100 years of the "progressive" legacy will be swept away in a few months.
wildswan, 3:18:
Thank you. That comment is a keeper.
Let's assume for a moment that Wisconsin is racist.
No explanation of why anger at this fact should be taken out on Heg. If anything, they should point to his statue and to him as someone Wisconsinites should be doing more to emulate.
That is, if this really was just about ending racism. Which it isn't.
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