April 15, 2020

The state of Trump's view — as of yesterday — that his "authority is total."

As I've said, I think Trump's rhetoric is a device to shift responsibility over to the governors and to facilitate a patchwork, decentralized reopening of the economy. The claim that the President's "authority is total" was made at the April 13th press briefing, so now I want to look at  the April 14th Task Force Press briefing and see what — if anything — may have changed after a day of knocking him around for what was widely perceived as an outrageous power grab:
Donald Trump: The plans to reopen the country are close to being finalized and we will soon be sharing details and new guidelines with everybody. I will be speaking to all 50 governors very shortly and I will then be authorizing each individual governor of each individual state to implement a reopening and a very powerful reopening plan of their state at a time and in a manner as most appropriate.
By saying he will be "authorizing" the governors to take over the decision-making and implementation of the reopening, he's not stepping back from the claim of power. In that formulation, he has the power, but he's going to delegate it to the Governors.
The day will be very close because certain states, as you know, are in much different condition and in a much different place than other states.
Power could be exercised top-down with one uniform get-back-to-work order, but because of different conditions in different places, the decentralized approach is better. That's the decision he's telling us he's already made. That's the weak version of federalism we see in all sorts of regulation in the United States. The feds can take over where they choose, but they can leave things to state and local government where they want.
It’s going to be very, very close, maybe even before the date of May 1st. So that will be for some states. Actually, there are over 20 that are in extremely good shape and we think we’re going to be able to get them open fairly quickly and then others will follow.
This underscores the idea that a decentralized approach is good. He anticipates that over 20 states will be able to open up in the next couple weeks, and the implication is that about half the states have a more serious problem to get under control and their Governors are going to be challenged to hold the line and keep their people out of work while other places are ramping up.
The federal government will be watching them very closely and we’ll be there to help. We’ll be there to help in many different ways as we’ve been where we built hospital beds.... We will hold the governors accountable. But again, we’re going to be working with them to make sure it works really well....
He's repeating the idea that the federal government has a backup role in the care and treatment of the sick. The Governors are on the front line, but the federal government will help them.
The governors are going to be opening up their states. They’re going to declare when. They’re going to know when. Some can open very, very shortly, if not almost immediately. We’ll give a date, but the date’s going to be in the very near future, so we’ll get it open. Individual states when the governors will be held accountable....
More repetition of the idea, in case you haven't absorbed it yet.
The governors are responsible. They have to take charge. They have to do a great job and we’re going to suggest that they check people through tests or otherwise coming into their states and they run their states very strong. Eventually we won’t have to do that. Eventually this will be gone, but for a while we’re going to do it. They’re going to take charge at their borders. They’re going to take charge of people coming in, and maybe to an extent, depending on what they work out with a nearby state, it may be also people leaving....
More repetition, plus the introduction of the idea that each state is confined by its borders, and something will need to be done to restrict the comings and goings from state to state. This is the old problem of how to have decentralized regulation of what's in a state when there is interstate commerce and travel and the states all affect each other. That problem has always been an argument for federal power — whether that federal power is exercised or not.
We think that some of the governors [will] be in really good shape to open up even sooner than that. We’ll speak to them, but we’re all set. We’re counting on the governors to do a great job. Others are going to have to take a longer period of time until they’re in a position to say we’re ready to go. And that’s okay. We understand that. Some of the governors have a very tough situation, but in almost all cases it’s all starting to come down....
The man is a master of repetition. The idea is hammered into our head.
The governors have learned a lot. I’ve spoken to governors that at the beginning it was a contentious relationship and now it’s a very friendly relationship and a really great relationship. I’m proud to say that some of them I think are friends.
He loves to praise other people as great and to call them friends. Whether they really are or not is another matter. I think he's saying it because he's looking toward the future, and he thinks it's a way to create cooperation and success.
In some cases they’re Democrats, but I think they like me and I actually like them.
I think they like me! Isn't that funny? Maybe off stage they do get along, and what we're seeing is political theater ("an exciting and invigorating thing to watch").
I’ll tell you who they are someday.
Ha ha. He can't name them perhaps because they don't exist but probably because it wouldn't help them get things done. Liking Trump is no way for a Democrat to further his career. They must hate. On stage.
But we’re all getting along and we all want to do the right thing and I think they’re going to do a great job of leading their individual states. It’ll be a beautiful thing to watch. They’ll go and rely on their mayors and their local town officials.... I think it’s going to be a terrific system and if we’re unhappy with the state, we’re going to let them know we’re unhappy and if they’re not doing the job and they can’t get the job done. And for some reason things are happening that we’re not going to like, like the numbers are heading in a wrong direction, we’ll have to do something that’s very serious.
Again, the federal government is a backup — a safety net. It can't successfully run everything. It should insist on state and local responsibility, and then it should watch and ensure that the duties are carried out well enough and be ready to step in if things go too wrong.
We’ll have to maybe close them up and start all over again, but I don’t think we’re going to have to do that. I think the governors are going to come out at a time that … And these will be individual dates and the governors are going to come out at a time when they’re ready. Some can come out very, very shortly and we look forward to watching that process. I think it’s going to be a very beautiful process. Our discussions will focus with the people that we’re dealing with on rejuvenating the economy and always health, always health. Health and life. Living is number one, but the rejuvenated economy and I think it’s going to go quickly. We’ll be utilizing our robust testing capacity for the governors. We’ll be giving them what they need if they don’t have it themselves. We hope by now there’ll be able to have it themselves....
More repetition. I like the phrase "a very beautiful process" — "we look forward to watching that process" because it will be beautiful. He's always trying to cheer us up. It's quite touching. It's sad that he so often gets anger and rejection when he's oriented to beauty. And to life: "Living is #1." Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 6 asks what Trump will do if the Governors "don’t listen to you or take your advice or obey you." And: "Will you consider taking away their federal funding?" Notice, that really is the source of federal power over the health and welfare of the people of the state — federal funding. If Trump really wants to exercise something like "total authority," then the money is the tool. But Trump slips out of that trap, and he does it exactly as you should expect:
I don’t want to say that. They’ll listen. They’ll be fine. I think we’re going to have a good relationship. They need the federal government not only for funding, and I’m not saying take it away, but they need it for advice. They’ll need maybe equipment that we have... Now, the governor’s will be very, very respectful of the presidency. Again, this isn’t me, this is the presidency. The presidency has such a great importance in terms of what we’re doing. And you can talk about Constitution, you can talk about federalism, you can talk about whatever you want, but the best way — I’m talking now from a managerial standpoint — is to let individual governors run individual states and come to us if they have difficulty and we will help them....
He's not stressing the interpretation of the Constitution. He's oriented toward doing what works — the "managerial standpoint."

And, really, an awful lot of scholarly constitutional interpretation is about workable government. As an old lawprof myself, I feel compelled to quote Justice Jackson: "The actual art of governing under our Constitution does not and cannot conform to judicial definitions of the power of any of its branches based on isolated clauses or even single Articles torn from context. While the Constitution diffuses power the better to secure liberty, it also contemplates that practice will integrate the dispersed powers into a workable government." Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U. S. 579, 343 U. S. 635 (1952).

Back to the transcript of the press briefing:
The governors are going to be running their individual states some of them will say, no, I can’t open now and some of them may last longer than we even would think. Others will say, I can, you can go. I don’t want to mention states, but there are numerous states that are in great shape right now. They are viewing the rest of the country like, we don’t even believe this is happening. We have a lot of those states... If some governor has a lot of problems, a lot of cases, a lot of death, and they want to open early, we’re not going to let it happen. So we’re there to watch. We’re there to help. But we’re also there to be critics....
Repetition — repetition of repetition. There can be no doubt about what he is saying: States on the frontline of responsibility; feds doing the backup.
It’s a puzzle. We have beautiful pieces, beautiful states with capable governors.
There's that word "beautiful" again.
They know when it’s time to open and we don’t want to put pressure on anybody. I’m not going to put any pressure on any governor to open. I’m not going to say to Governor Cuomo, you got to open within seven days. I want him to take his time, do it right, and then open New York. I’m not putting any pressure on the governors. Some of them don’t need pressure or not pressure. I mean, they’re ready to go. And that’s a good thing. So we’ll open it up in beautiful little pieces as it comes along. 
Notice that he's not going to pressure any Governor to open things up, but he did say — if you scroll up a little — "If some governor has a lot of problems, a lot of cases, a lot of death, and they want to open early, we’re not going to let it happen." So it's okay to drag out the reopening. No pressure there. But if a Governor is too eager to open, there will be pressure — indeed, there will be control: "We’re not going to let it happen." The place where Trump is threatening to use that "total authority" is where a Governor, given responsibility, tries to open it up too soon.

Now, the next question Trump gets is whether he has "any thoughts on" Governor Cuomo's "remarks from earlier today where he basically said that, were New York to be pressured to be open, it would cause a constitutional crisis. And he basically said that you declared yourself King Trump."

Trump answers (with the first sentence in a sarcastic tone):
Yeah, I’ve declared myself as King. You know, I heard he said that, but I didn’t see the remarks. But he understands how we helped him.... We’ll get along just fine, he understands. We’ll get along just fine. Please....
To that I would add that Trump was just clear that he was going to let Cuomo "take his time, do it right, and then open New York," and he "not going to put any pressure on any governor to open." The "constitutional crisis" won't happen, because — despite some of the posturing — the 2 men are not in disagreement and there is no real conflict between them.

Trump is asked "What’s your assurance to workers who are asked to go back to work but are fearful of doing so?" And Trump's answer shows the political benefit his position gives him:
Well, that’s going to be up to the governors. The governors are going to want to make sure everything’s safe...
At the very end, he sums up:
We’re going to work with the governors, the governors are going to do a good job. And if they don’t do a good job, we’re going to come down on them very hard. We’ll have no other choice. 

88 comments:

doctrev said...

If the federal government can regulate interstate commerce, it can certainly regulate interstate quarantine- especially given that New Yorkers are pathologically unable to observe basic rules of courtesy to places unstained by the virus. The governors scheming to keep their states closed may soon wish they had just handed this to the President.

Yancey Ward said...

I often roll my eyes at the 4 D chess claims for Trump, or any politician for that matter, but in this case, Trump very cleverly boxed the governors in to foreclose claims afterwards that Trump is responsible for what happens in each state going forward. The media is playing its part just like Trump knew they would.

mikee said...

With all that repetition, why oh why, I ask rhetorically, does the press then immediately report something completely different than what Trump repeated so many times just a moment before they opened their yaps.

It is almost as if the press have a preconceived storyline to report, without reference to actual events.

Einfahrt said...

Sometimes I think he uses phrases like "He's (She's) great!" or beautiful or whatever, much the same as a southerner uses the phrase "well bless your heart".

madAsHell said...

A fuck-up like Gov. Jay Inslee will see this as another opportunity to "Get Trump!"

I really hope Inslee.......gets it.

MayBee said...

There was very little to complain about with yesterday's press conference

MayBee said...

I did think Trump sounded very tired yesterday

Gusty Winds said...

Unfortunately for Wisconsin, our Democrat Governor is probably waiting for marching orders from party central.

Soon....Trump will be daring them not to open.

Bay Area Guy said...

I like it!

The more talk about "reopening' the better -- regardless of whether the Prez does it or the Governors do it or if it is done on a patchwork basis:

Do the following states really need to shut down healthy workers and greatly damage their lives and livelihoods?

The number is total deaths in each state from Covid-19.

SC 87
Minnesota 79
Rhode Island 73
DC 67
Kansas 62
Oregon 53
Puerto Rico 45
Iowa 43
Delaware 41
Idaho 33
New Mexico 31
Arkansas 30
Vermont 28
NH 23
Maine 20
Utah 18
West Virginia 9
North Dakota 9
Hawaii 9
Alaska 8
Montana 7
South Dakota 6
Wyoming 1

That's roughly 800 deaths in states/territories with 75 -100 Million people.

Let the healthy folks work!

YoungHegelian said...

While I think that Trump's rhetoric seems to imply more power in the federal government than I'm comfortable with, I'm also prepared to admit that, constitutionally speaking, we are in terra incognita here. It may be, even from a strict constitutionalist position, he is right. In this, as in so many other things in this pandemic, I honestly have no idea what's the right answer.

But, I support his ultimate end -- a bottom-up attempt by the individual states to re-open, with each governor using his power to delegate opening up down to the county & local governments in turn. The question is --- how do we get there from here?

traditionalguy said...

Time goes on . Two weeks to go. The Count Down starts now. Doctor Deborah wants to shop for new scarves again. And Pence wants to get equal billing on the Free Money Checks. Rumor has it that’s Dr Fauchi will join XiNN panels as the regular Bill Gates Depopulation by Virus Expert.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The hivemind (l-d): Trump is Hitler!

narciso said...

two minute hate must be operative

Ken B said...

Aside from the moot claim of a power he will never try to exercise, pretty good. I can live with a little posturing if the policy is good and executed well.

Bob Boyd said...

Trump has the Dems defending the Constitution! Is there anything he can't do?

Limited blogger said...

Trump's finally realized to stop trying to answer the media's 'gotcha questions'.

He just uses the question to riff on something important.

Meade said...

Bay Area Guy said...
"I like it!"

I like that Bay Area Guy likes it. I like that very much!

Ann Althouse said...

"Aside from the moot claim of a power"

For "moot," substitute "unripe."

pacwest said...

I don't see how the reopening of the economy works well if every state is its own little country. There needs to be coordination at the federal level. Hodge podge decisions by Governors would be a mess. Trump has to try to herd the chickens in some manner.

Ken B said...

Okay, fair point, unripe.

Lucien said...

Many state governments have balanced budget requirements; and currently their tax revenues are way down, while social service costs are up. Soon some will see the states around them opening up, as citizens wonder why their states aren't doing so. These factors will put substantial pressures on the straggling governors. We may also see a divide in which states with Republican governors open faster than those with Democrat governors, driving home the point that voting blue gets you less liberty and a worsened economy.

Amadeus 48 said...

Two thoughts:

1. Many of us are old enough to remember wage and price controls under Nixon. Remember how well that worked? It didn't work at all well to try to manage the US economy from DC through controls and regulations. And then we got the inflation anyway. Trump is right about this. Some day someone will write a book about how Trump decided to market this reopening. I think he got off track the other day, so he decided to act like it never happened. Alternatively, that "I have total authority" baloney was an attention-getter.

2. After a few major states are back on line in whole or in part (Texas, Oregon, maybe even parts of California), the pressure on the others will be overwhelming.

Gahrie said...

Some one remind me real quick how President Obama thought about his authority...I simply forgot.

Bay Area Guy said...

The above list of states -- based on the numbers -- have no significant threat of the virus.

They are mostly small states. Open 'em up!

I'd also open up:

California: (population 39 Million) - 731 deaths - (18.5 deaths per Million)
Texas (population 28 Million) - 318 deaths - (11 deaths per Million)

Let the people work!

Earnest Prole said...

Trump and the media agree he is Orange God; they disagree on how effectively He is deploying His powers.

Michael K said...

It is almost as if the press have a preconceived storyline to report, without reference to actual events.

Check the ChiCom daily memo.

Or you can ask your local Ivy League college.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Trump = Yes I Can, Governors = No you can't, Trump = Yes I Can, Governors = NO YOU CAN'T, Trump = LIKE HELL I CAN'T, Governors = WE'LL SUE. Trump = Well, OK then It's your baby, but I'm calling off the emergency!, Governors = DOH!

tim in vermont said...

Once deaths clearly peak in an area, it means infections have been under control for three weeks. Rhode Island peaked a few days ago, for example. Deaths are not the ideal indicator, but until anybody with a scratchy throat can get a test, I am not sure what else we have.

Have deaths peaked in Los Angeles? Not really.

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Were doctors in LA unable to diagnose COVID prior to early March? They have zero reported deaths up to that point. What do people think who think that California had already experienced it’s epidemic? That nobody looked for COVID until mid March in California and before that, all of these deaths were recorded as flu? Their first case was diagnosed in January, which is weird since it had been simmering there killing people disguised as regular flu.

I don’t know. I would just like somebody to explain it to me. I would love to believe that it will magically pass over us if we use the blood of a California lamb on our door post.

Einfahrt said...

He just moves that Overton window wherever he wants to, doesn't he.

Previously, Dems/Press: We'll get him for every death after he reopens! Now, governors justify opening(s), he "supports." Press argues (and congress submits resolution) saying he doesn't control it!

Meanwhile, first few who successfully reopen will drive pressure for the rest (who are not experiencing outbreaks). He'll of course provide color commentary on how well those states and economies are doing now that they've opened - with his support.

Big stick is the emergency federal funding that at some point is at an end.

Bay Area Guy said...

The ChiComs want Americans to stay home and not work!

BUMBLE BEE said...

Much like Obama = Joe I'm nominating you, Joe = For What?

narciso said...

who knows what games they are playing with the stats

narciso said...

good questions

narciso said...

<a href="https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/another-dishonest-smear-by-the-washington-post.php?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=sw&utm_campaign=sw> compare and contrast </a> Smithfield is a Chinese owned plant that uses illegal labor.

Lewis Wetzel said...

Governors have a strong financial incentive to reopen as soon as possible.
In my state (Hawaii) we have been lightly touched by the virus, but the tourism economy has been devastated. Normally we have around 30,000 tourist arrivals each day. We are now down to the single digits. The amount of money tourists spend is around $300/day each.
Additionally, state government collection of sales taxes and income taxes have cratered.
If this lockdown continues, the state will no longer be able to provide basic services.

Drago said...

Michael K: "Check the ChiCom daily memo.

Or you can ask your local Ivy League college."

Or wait to read whatever ARM and a certain banned LLR commenter are posting.

Drago said...

Tim in Vermont: "I don’t know. I would just like somebody to explain it to me."

Just add a million more deaths to whatever number is being bounced around if that makes you feel better.

Richard Dolan said...

As they say, take Trump seriously but not always literally. Same with the governors. Much more important to watch what they do. But Trump is playing the gotcha sound-bite game quite skillfully here.

It's interesting trying to look at this in terms of the long game. Pelosi and Schumer were focused on not letting the crisis go to waste -- use it to sneak in all the lefty agenda! -- and some governors seem to be doing that too. Cocaine Mitch was having none of it but Mnuchin/Trump seem to be more focused on the art of the deal. At the state level, Northum and the Dem legislative majorities in VA are doing that, but given their majorities they could probably have done most of it anyway. Same in CA and NY. The push-back by the righties in TX and elsewhere was, first, to use the crisis to restrict abortions and other lefty priorities such as counterproductive greenie stuff (bans on single-use plastic bags, e.g.). Longer term for the righties seems to be letting the financial squeeze coming for the states to do the heavy work of forcing them to get rid of the lefty-land excesses (green new deal more generally, academic bloat and state funding for lefty projects more generally, etc.). That was a tactic popular with Team Reagan back in the day.

Time (and November's little civic ritual) will tell who is better at playing the long game.

tim in vermont said...

I’m gonna say before I look at the data for the Bay Area, etc, that if the virus was widespread, what we should she is a sudden jump in the cases as tests came on line, then a steady number of deaths attributed to COVID looking like a background flu. That’s my hypothesis.

Original Mike said...

"Rhode Island peaked a few days ago, for example."

I don't see it. Rhode Island IHME

Nonapod said...

Of course leaving it up to each Governor is the right move, but of course it doesn't guarantee that those governors will make the right descisions. Andrew Cuomo may be juking the stats to keep the lockdown going by counting people who only "may" have died from the virus. Idiotic.

tim in vermont said...

Maybe Stockton fits the pattern, and Oxnard, where deaths rose suddenly as doctors maybe became aware of COVID deaths, and have stayed steady at a low level since an initial jump. So I can’t throw out the idea that parts of California, which is obviously a huge state, maybe were hit earlier and it wasn’t noticed.

Bay Area Guy said...

Dr. Fallacy is now opining on playing sports without spectators.

There's a way of doing that," Fauci told Snapchat's Peter Hamby as part of a weeklong interview series. "Nobody comes to the stadium. Put [the players] in big hotels, wherever you want to play, keep them very well surveilled. ... Have them tested every single week and make sure they don't wind up infecting each other or their family, and just let them play the season out."


This guy is Mr. Magoo with a PhD. He is a genius government Immunologist, bossing folks around NIH for 36 years, but totally detached from the real world or the consequences of his stupid, fear-mongering ideas.

Reopen the economy -- then fire Fauci!

Michael said...

The regional compacts announced by the East and West Coast governors may make sense in this context - although Jay Inslee has enough bad ideas without calling on Oregon and California for input.

tim in vermont said...

Rhode Island deaths per day dropped a little for a couple days after a short peak. It’s not much to hang your hat on, I admit. You can see it in that graphic and boy that graphic is scary, better not show it around too much. I guess I am assuming that the measures we are taking are having an effect which that model kind of disregards.

But you are right, I am letting myself get intimidated by the commenters here into taking a more optimistic view. Stockholm syndrome.

Still, I am not sure I buy those projections. But I guess we will know in a week.

But the fact that I am shaving my opinions because I am tired of getting beat up suggests that maybe I have stopped being honest on this forum, and will give it a rest until this is over. What’s the point?

Michael K said...

Or wait to read whatever ARM and a certain banned LLR commenter are posting.

That's a given but I thought it interesting to see how much the ChiComs are investing in US higher ed. I guess they are getting their money's worth, especially at Harvard.

bagoh20 said...

Wyoming has had just 1 death. That certainly can't be the peak. That's clearly just the start of the exponential growth. They will need to wait until we get the bell curve the experts are looking for. I don't care how long it takes. If it saves just one life... Well, they already blew that opportunity anyway. That guy died.

Gabriel said...

The state and local governments are just now seeing how devastating the lockdown is to their own revenue streams and I am certain that no state has any desire to drag out lockdown longer than necessary.

Not only that, the decrease in their revenue streams is accompanied by a huge increase in unemployment and Medicaid and other social programs. They see now that lockdown is unsustainable for long.

No matter what they are saying in public.

Original Mike said...

"What’s the point?"

Tim, if you're talking to me, I don't have a point. I simply went to look at the Rhode Island data. As for the projections, I don't think they're worth the electrons they're printed with. As to the data, there's not enough there to say yay or nay regarding a peak.

BarrySanders20 said...

I think it's hilarious that Trump is acting like a CEO and treating governors as general managers of their sales territories who need to work with the middle/store managers like mayors to achieve the goal of opening the country back up. Some will do abetter job than others. Each will be in competition, and all are watching.

Drago said...

Michael K: "That's a given but I thought it interesting to see how much the ChiComs are investing in US higher ed. I guess they are getting their money's worth, especially at Harvard."

The Confucious Institutes on major US campuses are simply outposts to push Chinese propaganda to US students and to buy off, as if they needed to, dominant academia leftists.

Drago said...

tim in vermont: "I’m gonna say before I look at the data for the Bay Area, etc, that if the virus was widespread, what we should she is a sudden jump in the cases as tests came on line, then a steady number of deaths attributed to COVID looking like a background flu. That’s my hypothesis."

Just add 2 million deaths to the totals.

bagoh20 said...

I sure wish we had real numbers for deaths. The way they are "liberally" classifying anything close to a COVID as a COVID is going to lead us to incorrectly acting and timing what needs done.

I really hate the human tendency to fudge numbers. First the tendency is to understate to hide the problem, then the motivation moves to overstate to get more help, and maybe overstate the difficulty and importance of what you are saying and doing. Now the motivation will be get the numbers back down so we can open. We need to remember that lives will be lost due to closure also, and that needs mitigated as well.

Drago said...

bagoh20: "I sure wish we had real numbers for deaths. The way they are "liberally" classifying anything close to a COVID as a COVID is going to lead us to incorrectly acting and timing what needs done."

I would suggest that the purposeful classification of anything close to, as well as anything not that close to, ChiCom Wuhan Lab flu as a ChiCom flu death is an attempt to lead us directly to what the dems want to achieve.

bagoh20 said...

Trump is forcing governors to do their jobs and be accountable. They hate that shit. I mean we all do, but imagine if your job mostly involves covering your ass, blaming others, and hobnobbing, and now you suddenly find out what being a governor is really about. This pandemic crap is ruining everybody's plans.

Calypso Facto said...

bagoh2o said ... "That guy died."

To be a little clearer, that SEVENTY-SEVEN year old guy living in a nursing home, with "serious underlying health conditions" died, not unexpectedly, and happened to be COVID-19 positive at the time.

Otto said...

Even with yesterdays horrible death number my curves still show peak in next few weeks and best case 35K/660K totals.

Francisco D said...

tim in vermont said... ... I am letting myself get intimidated by the commenters here into taking a more optimistic view. Stockholm syndrome.

Seriously?

If you feel intimidated, it is by superior facts and logic.

If you feel like a captive, you might want to reconsider your overall cognitive framework.

Sebastian said...

"make sure they don't wind up infecting each other or their family, and just let them play the season out."

So, Dr. Fauci, do you have any data, any at all, that suggest that Wuhan has posed any risk to any professional athlete? In the whole world?

If not, what is the closing of sports other than panic?

In retrospect, the sports fiasco will come to symbolize The Panic of 2020.

Drago said...

Tim in Vermont: "But you are right, I am letting myself get intimidated by the commenters here into taking a more optimistic view. Stockholm syndrome."

Don't do it. All virtue signalling opportunities go out the window if you go that route.

Just add 3 million deaths to the world wide ChiCom flu total.

PatHMV said...

The President often makes outrageous statements as a means to bait the press and the left into making arguments that they would otherwise be loathe to make.

Here, President Trump pulled off an amazing feat: He got the press and Democrats to make strong arguments in favor of... states' rights!

Drago said...

PatHMV: "Here, President Trump pulled off an amazing feat: He got the press and Democrats to make strong arguments in favor of... states' rights!"

Trump even got the homophobic Joy Reid to come out to explain to people that the Govt cutting checks is simply the govt giving back money to the people that the govt took from the people!!

That happened just this morning!

Ray - SoCal said...

Tim in Vermont - Where did you get the LA historical data?

For California Data I am using:
https://covidtracking.com/

Looks like LA County is around 40% of CA deaths, which is around 3% of the US daily total.

CA is still behind on testing, but better than it was. It's doing 6% of US daily testing, which is shocking since CA has a huge Bio Tech Sector, and is home of the place that invented that Roche Machine, in Pleasanton.

Governor Newsom of CA has 6 requirements to re-open, and one of them is enough testing. Looking at the current state of testing, it's going to be a LONG TIME before the state opens.

And the state is doing a one size fits all closure.

From what I can tell, growth in LA, Riverside, and San Bernardino Counties. Unfortunately I have not seen any historical data in CA, so it's hard to really see where CoronaVirus is exploding in CA.

Riverside and San Bernardino counties just required masks, along with LA City and a county up North, Sonoma County.

Orange County has a nice website to get more info. Seems they are doing OK:
https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc

Gahrie said...

"Here, President Trump pulled off an amazing feat: He got the press and Democrats to make strong arguments in favor of... states' rights!"

He also got them to call the Russians the bad guys. I really want Trump to come out for gun control and unlimited abortion rights.

Koot Katmandu said...

A very stable Genius indeed. He declares he has the power and authority(when he knows he does not) - The media and governors pounce -no you do not the governors do you are not king. He then says he will leave it up to the governors. It will now be extremely hard for the media or the governors to claim PDT made them open up too early and blame any death on him. The media was obviously locked and loaded to blame every death on him when things where opened up again. VSG indeed.

Iman said...

As has been said, you can sure tell who's on the (ChiCom) payroll, or at least the team.

minnesota farm guy said...

I asked Ann the question yesterday about who had powers to open the economy and at what level. With my very limited knowledge of the law and the Constitution I felt that the power was pretty much as Trump describes it. The Commerce Clause, and various cases, underline that the Feds have the upper hand in regulating interstate commerce. My even more limited of the states' powers made me think that the Governors were the repository of the 'police power". With some help from the Encyclopedia Brittanica it appears that SCOTUS has said that in certain cases the states' police powers even override the Commerce Clause powers.

"Police power, in U.S. constitutional law, the permissible scope of federal or state legislation so far as it may affect the rights of an individual when those rights conflict with the promotion and maintenance of the health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the public. When the U.S. Supreme Court has considered such cases, it has tended to use a doctrine called “balance of interests,” to determine whether a state has the right to exercise its implied police powers although that exercise may be in conflict with a federal law, either statutory or constitutional. The court has held, in these instances, that if a state does enact legislation for the protection and maintenance of the health, safety, or welfare of its citizens, such laws “fall within the most traditional concept of the state’s police power.” Therefore, even in matters where federal laws take precedence over those of the state, the court has decided in favour of the state. For example, a state’s police power may be employed to ban the export of immature citrus fruits on the grounds that such shipments would adversely affect the reputation of the grower state in the marketplace. Although it would seem to be a clear impediment to the free exercise of interstate commerce, the court, in Sligh v. Kirkwood (1915), upheld the measure as legitimate police power exercise on behalf of its citizenry. However, if the statute were intended to discriminate against another state’s market or resource, rather than (as in Sligh) to protect its own resource, then it is not a legitimate exercise of police power."

If the MSM were at all honest they would be examining how Trump is balancing the Fed's Constitutional Powers with the powers of the states. A fascinating example of how the Founders intended the Constitution to work.

minnesota farm guy said...

Also a fascinating example of how Trump, who is supposed to be such a dictator, conforms his behavior to the the dictates of the Constitution and the laws.

bagoh20 said...

Of any recent President, Trump actually acts least like kind of executive he is portrayed as by Democrats and the Press. His behavior in this crisis has been absolutely Washingtonian. I'm surprised, relieved, and impressed.

The Godfather said...

Several Althouse commenters (including me!) have been saying for a couple of weeks that Trump should encourage the governors to make the decision to begin reopening their own states, based on local conditions, so that Trump can't fairly be blamed for every death that follows reopening. @ALthouse: Do you know if Trump is lurking in your Comment pages? He could do worse for advice. In fact, he often DOES do worse.

narayanan said...

i am learning the trick alongside Narciso

Narciso - you left off the " after campaign=sw

compare and contrast

narayanan said...

Could Trump be talking with his sister who is a Federal Judge for Constitutional guidance? - since he has to rely so much on family.

Robert Cook said...

"The Commerce Clause, and various cases, underline that the Feds have the upper hand in regulating interstate commerce."

Yes, the Commerce Clause gives Congress the authority to regulate interstate commerce, not the President. (But what about commerce that remains within states and do not cross state lines? It seems Congress has no Constitutional authority to regulate commerce that remains within states.)

narayanan said...

Blogger BarrySanders20 said...

I think it's hilarious that Trump is acting like a CEO and treating governors as general managers of their sales territories who need to work with the middle/store managers like mayors to achieve the goal of opening the country back up. Some will do abetter job than others. Each will be in competition, and all are watching.
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So the citizens/voters of the Country - State by State will be voting to say " YOU ARE FIRED "

The APPRENTICE was lab demonstration test-bed run!

bagoh20 said...

"But what about commerce that remains within states and do not cross state lines?"

Congress has pretty much erased that distinction over the years with the courts' approval.

If there are regulations, it's the President and not the Congress that enforces them.

PatHMV said...

Drago, I saw that! Winning!

Gahrie, ha!

Robert Cook said...

"If the federal government can regulate interstate commerce, it can certainly regulate interstate quarantine- especially given that New Yorkers are pathologically unable to observe basic rules of courtesy to places unstained by the virus. The governors scheming to keep their states closed may soon wish they had just handed this to the President."

As I said above, it is Congress and not the President who has authority over interstate commerce. The President is not "the federal government" (and he is not the boss of Congress).

"If there are regulations, it's the President and not the Congress that enforces them."

How is this so? Does the president rule by fiat? The laws are enforced by the appropriate federal agencies and/or law enforcement agencies, depending on the circumstances. What can (or does) the President do to enforce the laws?

Big Mike said...

My governor, Ralph Northam, just responded to Trump by extending his shutdown order to May 8th.

If elections were held tomorrow I think the Democrats in this state would not go well, at least not around here.

rcocean said...

So, of course the the Democrats, the MSM, and the Never Trumpers (who are Democrats in everything but name), already have their spin on this:

1) Trump proclaimed himself KING in EVERYTHING.
2) The D's and Media attacked him.
3) Now, cowardly Trump is BACKING OFF.

Its the little drama that resides in their heads, and they've replayed it over and over again since August 2016. First, say Trump said something he didn't, then have Trump clearly say "I didn't say that", then label clear statement as "Trump defeated, backs off earlier claim". And the press and the D's get away with it!

rcocean said...

With Charlottsville it was:

1) Trump DEFENDS NAZIS
2) D's and Media attacked him.
3) Cowardly Trump BACKS OFF.

Except Trump NEVER defended Nazis.

Birkel said...

News Flash: Robert Cook is arguing against centralized control of intrastate commerce despite 80 years of precedent against him. I have been making that point for more than 25 years.

News flash: Donald Trump has made a fucking communist argue against centralized control of the economy. VSG FTW!!!

Also, to somebody above:
Citing pre-FDR cases when it comes to interstate commerce is poor lawyering. The Court decided anything substantially affecting interstate commerce is Congress' purview. I think they were wrong to do so, but there we are.

minnesota farm guy said...
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minnesota farm guy said...

Cookie: You must have flunked US Government 101. The President is responsible for enforcing the laws duly passed and signed.
The Agencies are part of the EXECUTIVE (!)branch.

eddie willers said...

much the same as a southerner uses the phrase "well bless your heart".

I don't know when this thought became a "thing", (I suspect Yankees, of course) but 98% of the time when a Southerner says "bless your heart" they mean bless your heart. Plain and simple.

I'm Not Sure said...

Idaho Gov. Brad Little extended his stay-home order through the end of April. As well, some businesses which have been forced to close will not be allowed to reopen when the stay-home order expires.

Einfahrt said...

eddie willers:
I don't know when this thought became a "thing", (I suspect Yankees, of course) but 98% of the time when a Southerner says "bless your heart" they mean bless your heart. Plain and simple.

Well, maybe I worked with a group of somewhat more edgy southerners, but I've heard the phrase used nicely, and more pointedly.

I don't think it's a Yankee thing though: Link
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Gabriel said...

@Robert Cook:The laws are enforced by the appropriate federal agencies and/or law enforcement agencies, depending on the circumstances. What can (or does) the President do to enforce the laws?

Article II Section 1: 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

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