Here's the full timeline for the Trump presidency, showing that you'd have to go back to that first month in 2017 to get this level of support:
Yes, it's still in the negative. Anyway, let me sketch out reasons that occur to me, and then help me out in the comments:
1. In a crisis, people look to the leader they have, and they want to believe that person will help us.
2. Trump is on TV a lot, performing his presidential role, in real time, without media commentary, and it's working as intended, to make people feel that competent people are working hard.
3. The Democratic Party primary has receded into near nothingness, so we're not hearing the candidates attacking Trump very much. We're not thinking so much about replacing Trump, which can't happen until January 2021. Biden has the nomination, and his efforts to remain relevant during the crisis are uninspiring. Best to look away for now, let events play out, and — if you're a Democrat — hope there's something left to make a campaign out of in the fall. What's the point of hating Trump right now? Life is hard enough, and who wants to be a big pessimist?
4. [ADDED at 3:56 the same afternoon.] Trump haters had heard that Trump was a fascist, looking to find a way to dictatorship, but it turns out he hasn't taken this opportunity to make a big power grab. He's even getting criticized for not being coercive and overbearing enough, as he works with governors and private companies. Trump's behavior in this real crisis may be easing fears about imagined things.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 514 of 514“Nobody has yet satisfactorily explained how lock-downs can end if most of the population is uninfected, there’s no vaccine, and the virus is not extinct.”
Well, the "experts" tell us they shouldn't end--we should shut down for months.
Anyway, Holman Jenkins has been a voice for sanity. He is helping.
The better approach, pending more testing, is obvious: rigorously enforced quarantine for all risk groups, gradual return to normal for the rest, thus avoiding an economic and public health calamity.
Lewis Wetzel said...
Three days later I cam down with the same symptoms, but worse, with a painful cough, sneezing and chest congestion. I had a fever of 99.8 degrees.
I am guy just past 60 who smoked for decades before quitting.
Three days later I was back to normal. It was just the frikkin' ordinary flu.
Glad you recovered Lewis, but my wife and step-daughter were sick for about 3 weeks, under a doctor's care. My wife even ventured into pneumonia territory at one point. That doesn't mean it was COVID-19, but I don't think she had the "frikkin' ordinary flu".
bagoh20 said...
Something that I think helps Trump do the right thing is his confidence.
A confident person acknowledges the limits of their own knowledge and expertise. Insecure people need to be experts on everything. Trump is a deeply insecure man.
A confident person acknowledges the limits of their own knowledge and expertise. Insecure people need to be experts on everything. Trump is a deeply insecure man.
“I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters, I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m going to think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
Obama, 2008.
ARM said: A confident person acknowledges the limits of their own knowledge and expertise. Insecure people need to be experts on everything. Trump is a deeply insecure man.
After 35 years as a psychologist assessing thousands of professionals, business leaders and MH patients, my opinion is that Trump is arrogant like most extremely successful business people. He is also driven to prove himself like most successful people in all endeavors. Do not mistake that for deep insecurity. It is not.
I wonder why ARM does not understand the drive to prove oneself.
For the Democrats, having Biden recede into background irrelevance is a feature, not a bug. Fewer gaffes and other opportunities to look less than competent.
This is a thing I have noticed about the anti-Trumpers. They think that they have some vast store of integrity to draw on when they criticize Trump, because they are adhering to standards of presidential behavior that they have long held.
But they are not adhering to standards of presidential behavior that they have long held.
They are trying to cash checks on an empty account. Their words are meaningless.
Insecure people need to be experts on everything.
From Jodi Kantor’s The Obamas, page 66:
Obama had always had a high estimation of his ability to cast and run his operation. When David Plouffe, his campaign manager, first interviewed for a job with him in 2006, the senator gave him a warning: “I think I could probably do every job on the campaign better than the people I’ll hire to do it,” he said. “It’s hard to give up control when that’s all I’ve known.” Obama said nearly the same thing to Patrick Gaspard, whom he hired to be the campaign’s political director. “I think I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters,” Obama told him. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
Two points:
1. Where was all this amateur psychoanalysis when Obama was President? Doesn't the fact that hyper-partisans will assert this nonsense based on nothing about Trump while ignoring significant evidence concerning Obama demonstrate the accusation is just one of a checklist rather than something that is actually true?
2. Arguendo apparently we're to believe this has some important relevance to job performance but none of these people asserting this make similar conclusions about Obama. This shows that despite their bringing it up as if it is important even they already admit it is not.
Fauci is a confident guy, the contrast with Trump is striking. Fauci is not "driven to prove himself like most successful people in all endeavors", he proved himself long ago, like most grown-ups.
"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."
In 1970, the political scientist John Mueller wrote about the "rally-round-the-flag" effect in American public opinion. His most striking example of such an effect involved the 1961 Bay of Pigs fiasco, which resulted in a sudden jump of 13 points in JFK's job approval ratings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_%27round_the_flag_effect
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Dr. Anthony Fauci and Gov. Andrew Cuomo are the most trusted leaders in America on coronavirus right now. Trump is not.
ARM: "Fauci is not "driven to prove himself like most successful people in all endeavors", he proved himself long ago, like most grown-ups."
That 2009 pandemic oversight by Fauci and Obiden-bama which gave us 16,000+ deaths, hundreds of thousands hospitalized, massive gaps in our strategic stockpile of pandemic response equipment and the entire public/private pandemic response partnership shattered and moved to a high-risk, centralized model designed for slow-moving low-testing reaction really paid off, didn't it?
If Fauci is so incompetent isn't Trump even more so for relying so heavily on him?
"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy
Testing a standard to understand whether it is generally believed or accepted is perfectly logical. The term "Whataboutism" was specifically invented by left wingers to prevent others (mostly their naive acolytes) from recognizing their post-hoc standards are invalid which is why they only apply them to their opponents. They do this because their own beliefs and policies cannot be supported according to the standards they apply to others so they must prevent any such analysis from occurring. Squirrel!
ARM: "If Fauci is so incompetent isn't Trump even more so for relying so heavily on him?"
Trump has already forged a new model which reverses every one of the previous dumb policies and that model is ramping up.
As with other establishment/deep stater activities over the last 4 years, Trump has fought his way through their bureaucracy and established new policies and guidelines but usually waits until that hard work is over prior to making significant changes in the top line personnel.
This is not an uncommon personnel strategy in the business world. Often, new owners of businesses will retain the legacy leaders in key roles until the takeover and stabilization occurs before making significant leadership changes.
I fully suspect that after Trump wins reelection Dr Fauci will retire to spend more time with his family and someone who can exist in a faster moving business-centric mode will be moved into leadership of the CDC.
@Ken B. (3:09), I am going to disagree that Chloroquine is going to be make or break for Trump in November. If the hydroxychloroquine plus Z-pac regimen doesn’t work — and the trials in France and Australia were small, so perhaps it won’t — he’ll try something else that looks promising. And he’ll keep trying until something does work. So, no, I don’t think Chloroquine will determine what happens in November. Sorry.
Big Mike: "f the hydroxychloroquine plus Z-pac regimen doesn’t work — and the trials in France and Australia were small, so perhaps it won’t — he’ll try something else that looks promising. And he’ll keep trying until something does work."
There are about 4 or 5 therapies in trials as we speak. There will undoubtedly be a combo-solution depending on specific circumstances that will be used as a vaccine is developed as the long term answer. Pharma companies and R&D groups are already hinting that if the FDA/CDC come into the 21st century that the normal multi-year timelines for vaccine development can be accelerated in time to meet the challenge of Fall 2020.
Big Mike said...
I am going to disagree that Chloroquine is going to be make or break for Trump in November.
Good decision. No accountability is always the safest approach.
ARM: "No accountability is always the safest approach."
Well, that certainly worked for Obiden-bama.
"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan unreasonably said...
"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."
You do not understand, ARM. I am not attacking or defending Trump or attacking or defending Obama using "whataboutism."
I am pointing out your lack of integrity.
That whataboutism was for Drago. Trump supporters complaining about someone's 'lack of integrity' is always good for a laugh. Maybe do a fact check or two on Trump and then get back to me about 'integrity'.
Speaking of hypocrisy, I'm still waiting for all the denunciations of the Republican senators holding up Porkulus II - Even Porkier.
ARM relies on "Business Insider" which has had a leftist slant since I've read it.
No surprise. "The Economist" has been reliably leftist for years.
Here's kind of an interesting analysis on Ricochet.
Hopefully it is available to non-members. Considerable argument about whether the incidence is really exponential. Too bad CDC screwed up US testing.
ARM: "Maybe do a fact check or two on Trump and then get back to me about 'integrity'."
Still waiting for your first and second fact checks on Obiden-bama after about 12 years.
Looking forward to it really.
As an example of "integrity".
I'm still waiting for all the denunciations of the Republican senators holding up Porkulus II - Even Porkier.
ARM wants Socialism right away ! None of this capitalism stuff. Pay non workers more than they could make working. Communist Bernie is right on board with ARM.
Why am I not surprised ?
I guess this has turned into an ARM thread. My book is calling.
ARM: "Speaking of hypocrisy, I'm still waiting for all the denunciations of the Republican senators holding up Porkulus II - Even Porkier."
This is a perfect example of why there has been a "Great Awakening" as to ARM's dishonesty and partisanship.
The republican senators are fighting to change the language in the bill which, if passed as is, would deliver a result exactly the opposite of what the bill is supposed to deliver in terms of employee retention.
The republican senators are not seeking to add any amendments for specific interests as the House provided.
Of course, ARM has yet to complain about the actual pork shoved into the bill by the democrats and instead attempts to paint the republicans trying to fix the language of the bill as the pork adders.
Typical.
I'm listening to Trump listing all the socialism that he is implementing. Republican's have no shame.
Maybe it's because Pelosi has just blocked a coronavisrus crisis relief bill for the third time!
It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."
I'm so old I remember when leftists were against red baiting. Then again that's hardly the most outrageous about-face they've done while pretending to adhere to principle. Abandoning free speech and equality before the law while embracing blacklists are much worse.
Trump supporters complaining about someone's 'lack of integrity' is always good for a laugh. Maybe do a fact check or two on Trump and then get back to me about 'integrity'.
I cannot understand you, ARM. Trump, like virtually politicians, has no integrity. Follow Biden's position on abortion, for example, or Hillary's position on gay marriage.
It is pretty clear that you have no integrity, ARM. Your problem with Trump isn't his lies, exaggerations, or his incompetence, your problem with Trump is that he is Trump, and not Obama or Hillary.
My problem is very definitely with his endless lying. He has no credibility. It didn't matter that much while we were coasting along on the Obama recovery but now there is a real crisis it is a luxury we can't afford.
He's currently bitching about the Europeans during a press conference on corona virus. It is just sad.
ARM (in full European trade policy defense mode): "He's currently bitching about the Europeans during a press conference on corona virus. It is just sad."
The Germans and the EU created specific BS medical rules that keep US medical equipment producers out of their markets while the EU medical equipment manufacturers nearly unfettered access to US markets.
I realize you love that arrangement and are pleased that our "allies" create unbelievably unfair trade practices but Trump isn't going to put up with it and he's changing it.
Your weeping about it only makes it that much sweeter.
Lewis Wetzel: "It is pretty clear that you have no integrity, ARM."
The Great Awakening continues....
My problem is very definitely with his endless lying.
I used to have that problem with all politicians. But leftists told me that's just the nature of politics so now it doesn't bother me as much. I'm still bothered by people who pretend to oppose lying even as they support lying by their team.
Obamacare will save the "typical" family 2,500 / year.
I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
Medical bills are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in America.
The demonstration was because of a defamatory online video.
They want to put ya'll [blacks] back in chains.
It didn't matter that much while we were coasting along on the Obama recovery
The Obama recovery that miraculously kicked in the day after Trump was elected.
Gahrie said...
It didn't matter that much while we were coasting along on the Obama recovery
Coasting is a good way to describe the Obama "recovery". Apparently ARM doesn't know the curve goes up in a recovery which explains quite a bit.
The list for Trump is vastly longer. And, they are obvious, unnecessary lies. Obviously untrue the moment they leave his mouth. It is pathological, the outward sign of a deeply disturbed psyche.
Malaria drug touted by Trump for treating coronavirus patients was NO better for them than fluid, oxygen and bed rest, Chinese study suggests
LOLOLOLOLOL
ARM rejects evidence from France, Israel and American localities and other western nations regarding Chloroquine in favor of.....wait for it....wait for it......Chinese Communist "studies"!!!
I mean, how perfect is that?
Absolutely perfect.
Next up for ARM: Chinese Communism outperforms US Capitalism a new Chinese Study suggests.....
Rick: "Apparently ARM doesn't know the curve goes up in a recovery which explains quite a bit."
The Great Awakening continues....
Next next up for ARM: European high tariffs against US products are completely justified while the US allows European products into the US with low tariffs....a new EU Study suggests.....
Next next next up for ARM: Shady Houston Astros practices are actually a boon to Major League baseball....a new Houston Astros Study suggests.....
Next next next next up for ARM: Corrupt Biden family actions involving foreign funding is actually a big plus for America....a new Biden family Study suggests.....
The left is allowing themselves to be seen as almost rooting for a national catastrophe as they urge everyone to see how hadly Trump responded at first, and how dishonest he is in speaking about it. And at least a decent percentage of people - hopefully growing in number - look at those accusations of dishonesty in any depth and frequently find the true dishonesty.
In general to respond to an existential national crisis by immediately attacking the leaders is not a good look. And if someone wants to say "Yeah but" I probably have heard it and probably don't agree.
So Trump rises in comparison I guess is part of it.
12 hours later and ARM has been sitting on his butt in front of his computer continuously the entire time.
ARM, find something to do with your life.
This is pathetic. Cease making a damned fool out of yourself.
Trump's direct quotes about coronavirus demonstrating his 'leadership'.
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that's going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: "Now the democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? They're politicizing it…they have no clue…they dont have any clue…this is their new hoax."
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: ““The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant,”
March 13: "I take no responsibility."
Anyone else notice how quickly ARM veered from “whataboutism is invalid” to “what about Trump”?
ARM, go do something else.
Stop this dumb jackass act and find something to do, you dumb shit.
This makes no sense. Trump is currently president. It is his performance, or lack thereof, as a leader that is the issue.
Shouting Thomas ... dumb shit.
Why are you here?
I don’t know what sort of psychological or family problem is driving you to this display of asinine compulsion, ARM.
Do yourself and everybody else a favor and stop.
Don’t display your pathological problems. Keep them to yourself.
Do you have any social or family connections, ARM, or is this dumb fucking shit all you have?
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
The list for Trump is vastly longer. And, they are obvious, unnecessary lies.
This is the crux of the matter. Obama, Warren, Clinton, and Biden lie to pass legislation. Does it make sense to claim a lie to pass legislation that could not pass if the truth were understood is less of a problem than ego driven lies?
Of course not, the idea is absurd. The only reasonable explanation is that ARM doesn't care about lying at all, only about politics he opposes. Thus he objects to lies only in these circumstances. This framework - but not the one he advances himself - explains literally every objection to lying he has ever made.
People no longer care if he makes false or misleading statements, they just like the sound of his voice?
I refuse to be obsessed with this BS. If I die, I die. Hell, I’m 70. Today, I did a full set of yoga, started work on video for streaming Sunday services, practiced Bach on the organ, and played for a while with my grandkids. I’m going to spend this evening running thru some tutorials for Adobe Character Animator.
Give it a break. Let go of the absurd fantasy that a full day of bitching here matters.
People no longer care if he makes false or misleading statements, they just like the sound of his voice?
Mostly they know what he means, and recognize that his peculiar brand of braggadocio is harmless.
Rick said...
Of course not, the idea is absurd. The only reasonable explanation is that ARM doesn't care about lying at all, only about politics he opposes.
Let's take one example of your 'lies'. Obama said, "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them."
This almost exactly reflects my own opinion at the time. I also did not favor gay marriage at that time, it seemed weird. And then I gradually changed my mind, in large part due to the writings of Andrew Sullivan, but also because the world didn't end with civil unions and once you accepted civil unions there was no logical reason to continue to discriminate against gays over marriage. Obviously even politicians change their minds in response to facts on the ground.
Trump just lies, and lies and lies. For no good reason. If he stopped his approval ratings would improve. Apparently this doesn't bother you. It does bother a lot of people.
Jesus Christ, ARM, don’t you have somebody to talk with who can pull your head out of your ass and stop you?
Go find something to do, you fucking dumb ass.
Would you like me to suggest something worthwhile you could do with your time, dumb ass?
Maybe you just don’t know any better? Or your current psychological or social problems are so severe you can’t help yourself?
Really, it’s kind of sad to see a man collapsing emotionally and psychologically the way you are, ARM.
I don’t especially like you, but you’re human.
Is there something anybody can do to help you?
Oh, well, I’ve tried.
On to learning about Adobe Character Actor.
It’s fascinating stuff, ARM. And, I’ll make some money with it.
Pookie Number 2: "Anyone else notice how quickly ARM veered from “whataboutism is invalid” to “what about Trump”?"
Indeed.
The Great Awakening continues.....
Btw, Honest Joe Biden just asserted that after leaving the Senate he became a University Professor.
Literally.
And on top of that he has now been credibly accused by one of his own staffers of "penetrative" sexual assault.
Well. What can one say?
I see R/V has joined ARM in the loony tunes department. Back to my book.
My FBI daughter called me to day to see if all was well. She is "working from home" as all fed employees are and she was grateful that I got her and her mother the hydroxychloroquine. Fortunately, ARM has swallowed the Chinese fake study and there will be more for normal people.
ARM apparently Trump supporters prefer to have a short term memory loss as opposed to justifying all the lies and falsehoods he makes. It seems easier to just call someone a lefty, or spend comment after comment suggesting you have emotional problems while revealing theirs, all done in very Trumpian fashion. Now back to my painting.
""In a few weeks, or a few months, the current situation will be behind us. Try to make sure that what’s remembered about you is something positive."
This is what Harvey Weinstein would tell new aspiring starlets.
"And on top of that he has now been credibly accused by one of his own staffers of "penetrative" sexual assault."
I bet he planted that story himself. He's trying so hard to look effective.
Obviously even politicians change their minds in response to facts on the ground.
Obama didn't change his mind, he lied about what he believed.
If he stopped his approval ratings would improve. Apparently this doesn't bother you. It does bother a lot of people.
It does bother me, but it bother me far less than someone who lies that his policy will reduce their medical bills while also reducing the deficit. Revealingly you avoided comparing these circumstances by lying that Obama didn't lie. You did this because you know your own values [you hate Trump because he isn't a left winger] aren't compelling.
"Mostly they know what he means, and recognize that his peculiar brand of braggadocio is harmless."
Yet, it rattles some to their very core, and leaves them broken and resentful. He should stop that...after 2024.
Rick said...
Obama didn't change his mind, he lied about what he believed.
Now you are mind reading. The changes in Obama's views paralleled the change in a lot of people's views on this topic, including many who comment here. After civil unions, the ban on marriage just didn't make a lot of sense.
roesch/voltaire: "ARM apparently Trump supporters prefer to have a short term memory loss as opposed to justifying all the lies and falsehoods he makes."
Things lefties say when its clear their pro-ChiCom spin isnt working and their Presidential candidate can only eat jello.
ARM: "Now you are mind reading."
Yes. A member of the "Nobody Kniws What Mueller Knows!" Crew wrote that.
Just now.
Without irony.
And isnt it funny that the lefties here adopt as their nom de plumes names of Western philosophers that the other lefties are driving out of the canon and the Academy as a whole?
bagoh, instead of carrying water for a sociopath could you answer a question for me? I am involved in the local school board. One thing we are trying to do is improve technical training for students who don't go to college. As I understand things from the discussion the other day you routingely use CNC machines in your business. Would more training in CNC manufacturing be useful? Are CNC skills something that students out of high school could get jobs with? How well does it pay?
I'm waiting oh so patiently for the democrats in this country to turn their sanctimonious ire against the Chinese govt. which is 100% RESPONSIBLE for this pandemic! What do we plan to do once the virus has passed? How do we avoid a HOT war with China? How do we avoid a global depression? These are questions that we need to think through rather nit picking every single solitary thing the President says in order to weaken him politically.
I see the point's been made, but:
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
That whataboutism was for Drago. Trump supporters complaining about someone's 'lack of integrity' is always good for a laugh. Maybe do a fact check or two on Trump and then get back to me about 'integrity'.
3/25/20, 4:51 PM
Shorter ARM: Whataboutism is communism! But whatabout Truuuuuuuuump?
I disagree that the Chinese govt is 100% responsible, the dumb ass Chinese people have some responsibility for eating bats or pangolin in the first place. But, there should be some form of sanctions against the Chinese govt for suppressing their own doctors and scientists at the start of the plague. They were a mixed bag. They gave out the virus sequence very quickly at the beginning, which was very helpful, then panicked and became secretive and oppressive, possibly because they could see what a cluster fuck it was going to become.
Trump and his performance is the topic. You can't accuse someone of whataboutism, when they are discussing the actual topic of the thread. Whataboutism would be bringing up Benghazi, for instance. Sad I have to explain this.
As for China...all affected countries should assess the damage caused them by the, to be kind, dishonesty and incompetence of the communist Chinese regime, and begin seeking recompense by seizing all Chinese assets under their control, then suing for the balance, to include triple damages.
I don't understand this fear of hot war with China.
ARM @ 6:16 has cut and past the Media/dem latest talking points. Mindless cut and paste. They are past desperate.
So answer me this, what actions did President Trump refuse to take? What exactly did President Trump fail to execute?
The list is less than meaningless. It can be recreated for any public figure that spends as much time speaking extemporaneously as President Trump does.
So in other words, you claim the advantage by virtue of, what, being first mover?
Is this a concession that you have no other arguments to make?
It’s not mind-reading - Obama absolutely lied.
“In a 1996 questionnaire filled out for a Chicago gay and lesbian newspaper, then called Outlines, Obama came out clearly in favor of same-sex marriage, which he has opposed on the public record throughout his short career in national politics.
“I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages,” Obama wrote in the typed, signed, statement.”
(Ben Smith at Politico - I don’t know how to link to it.)
Now you are mind reading.
Reading people anyway. It's a skill many people have. Many on the left do the same to Trump with you and the other leftists accepting those judgements as fact. The only difference is partisanship which controls all your beliefs and assertions.
Again, you are mind reading. He traveled in very liberal circles as a young man, then dealt some very conservative people in Chicago. People change their minds based on their social groups. I have no problem believing that the young Obama changed his mind as he matured and then changed again. As far as I know he was always and unequivocally in favor of civil unions. The jump to marriage is not some great reversal. It is in fact the logical choice after you see the effect, or lack of effect, of civil unions.
"ARM's "whataboutism" isn't "whataboutism" and obama's flip flops and reversals aren't flip flops and reversals" a new ARM Institute Study suggests....
I have no problem believing that the young Obama changed his mind as he matured and then changed again.
You'll believe whatever protects the shield, every statement you've ever made shows that.
"I don't understand this fear of hot war with China." Perhaps you are having me on but you just listed compensation by seizing Chinese assets and other punitive actions. Gee, what if a teetering Chinese govt. would rather rally its people with a military display of some sort?
WHo knows how their sheer display of incompetence and dishonesty will play out with the Chinese people? Particularly with all of the western countries shutting down factories and withdrawing. It wouldn't be the first time a global depression triggered a wider war no one saw coming.
ARM it was the chinese govt. that lied to WHO about the spread and nature of the virus and locked up any chinese doctors trying to tell the west. I know you're just a troll sometimes but crimeny. This is beyond dispute this is 100% CHINA's FAULT and no one else for the spread of covid-19
Rick said...
You'll believe whatever protects the shield, every statement you've ever made shows that.
This is patent bullshit. I genuinely liked Obama, I thought he was a very good president in his first term, only average in the second. I was always impressed with his emotional leadership, as typified by his speech after the Charleston church shooting. I can't imagine another president handling that as well. But, strategically he was a mixed bag, especially in the second term. Backing Hillary was a terrible idea. He should have told the French and British to go fuck themselves over Libya. He should have jailed some bankers.
Gk1 said...
it was the chinese govt. that lied to WHO about the spread and nature of the virus and locked up any chinese doctors trying to tell the west.
And you apparently are incapable of reading. I literally said "there should be some form of sanctions against the Chinese govt for suppressing their own doctors and scientists at the start of the plague." Don't waste my time if you can't even be bothered to read what was written.
Whoa, went up some more, to -3.2. And it will go up further on the next Rasmussen poll, as this was an unusually bad one for Trump, they usually average higher.
Note that the most striking change is to his _un_popularity.
"I disagree that the Chinese govt is 100% responsible," Oh, sorry I guess i can't read.
Backing Hillary was a terrible idea. He should have told the French and British to go fuck themselves over Libya. He should have jailed some bankers.
These actions must be disavowed so leftists can say the consequences do not result from their policies, and so here it is.
Protect the shield.
Rick said...
These actions must be disavowed so leftists
This doesn't make even the tiniest bit of sense. If anyone was the shield it was Hillary.
This whole arm shit isn’t worth reading. Do better, Meade and AA
wbfjrr2: "This whole arm shit isn’t worth reading. Do better, Meade and AA"
Indeed.
The Great Awakening continues...
"Would more training in CNC manufacturing be useful? Are CNC skills something that students out of high school could get jobs with? How well does it pay?"
I have always hired and trained my own machinists from scratch (no skills). Having the skills when you come in would definitely give you a leg up anywhere else, but I try to help the unskilled get to that level. It's part of our mission as a business and always has been. My long term, experienced machinists make about $20-$25 per hour, but they also have lots of options. When I moved my company none of them moved with me, so I hired and trained all new ones, which for some reason all ended up being women, and doing very well at it. I convinced my top machinist in L.A. to start his own business with a loan and some machinery, and he will do well selling his work for $30 - $100 an hour, depending on the customer.
Any normal shop would want an experienced machinist first, or at least a school-trained one with some kind of sheepskin second. School is pretty much mandatory for most other employers unless you have experience. The skills can prepare you for lots of other things, like Computer Aided Design and drafting, inventing your own products, and learning how things are made, which is a great background to start a business. In some towns, like Las Vegas, it's very hard to get things like machining done, so you kinda have your choice of business.
Today there is so much stuff on the internet that is really great training, but it takes a lot of discipline to learn that way. That stuff is incredibly hands-on and detailed too. I watch hours of machining videos, and I'm not even looking for a job, but I could learn everything from Youtube if I had to. I have my trainees watch videos all the time.
I should rephrase something. I don't really train people so much as I get them started and they learn most on their own. I just give them lots of challenges, and show them where to find the answers. I'm not very skilled myself, and they pass me up very quickly.
"...for some reason all ended up being women,""
Las Vegas, right? Showgirls? Some reason? oKey dokey..
This doesn't make even the tiniest bit of sense.
As children think Algebra doesn't make the tiniest bit of sense.
If anyone was the shield it was Hillary.
The shield is the movement which is why adherents are discarded as soon as they are no longer useful.
Gk1 said...
Gee, what if a teetering Chinese govt. would rather rally its people with a military display of some sort?
Maybe, but what? OOTB first strike on CONUS? Maybe ... A biowarfare attack? Who would they hit, and how, and why, and are they currently inna condition? Yeah, they might like to, but...they got nuthin.
WHo knows how their sheer display of incompetence and dishonesty will play out with the Chinese people?
As I understand it, when the Chinese dynasty in power loses what they call the Mandate of Heaven, their end is usually brief and violent and the throne is taken with force by a bloody-handed peasant.
Good here, eh?
Covid-19 is blog hit gold.
No matter the delegate count, Biden will not be the nominee. Is cognitive failure is obvious to everybody and will only get worse in the coming months.
Nichevo, as screwy as this year has been so far I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand. From the Clinton's handing over LORAN missile plans and other swamp chicanery lord knows what sort of dollars and cents damage they can do. We have been criminally lax in the sort of server hardware we have allowed to be manufactured there. The next war could be our first cyber one.
My larger point is no one seems to care about what happens after the virus runs its course. The democrats are doing their dead level best to make any mention of "china" and "wuhan virus" taboo. Trump somehow is to blame for "not reacting sooner" as the Chinese were lying their ass off about its spread. Their anger is all focused on Trump, not the jerkoffs that got us into this pandemic.
The shit will hit the fan after we get through this and its not clear out fragile the Chinese regime is or what steps we are going to take going forward. I'm more worried about the aftermath than this pandemic.
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
It didn't matter that much while we were coasting along on the Obama recovery but now there is a real crisis it is a luxury we can't afford.
3/25/20, 5:19 PM
If one needs any "more" proof that ARM is full of s**t, this is the money quote! ARM, there is a "health real crisis" going on, you should NOT have let your mask slip so far off!
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
One thing we are trying to do is improve technical training for students who don't go to college. As I understand things from the discussion the other day you routingely use CNC machines in your business. Would more training in CNC manufacturing be useful? Are CNC skills something that students out of high school could get jobs with? How well does it pay?
3/25/20, 7:43 PM
I am not in that field professionally (and you didn't ask me) BUT:
- Pays is not bad but there are levels like anything else. CNC is a big field. I would focus not "just" on understanding how to run a CNC but the entire process, design to production. These skills lay upon other foundational skills.
- If you have input, get some 3D printers into a shop class or two.
- The "process" for going from an idea to a physical object is similar between CNC and 3d printing (one subtractive and the other additive).
- The general flow is design, model, slice, print (or cut).
- There are design programs that range from artsie to technical, to mathematical, many very low cost or free for student use. Same with the model software (often combined with the design programs).
- In the printer space, the slicing program is typically free.
- VERY good 3d printers can be had for $300 to $1000. I recently replaced my older one with a new dual-head printer for $600 and was astounded with the resulting model quality.
- "real" CNC machines are quite expensive but there is a "class" of hobby machines that might do well in a class-room environment that come in 2,3,4, & 5 axis models all below $2500. Depending on model, these can cut up through brass & aluminum. I was looking at these for home use (cnc router 3040) but at the time, the printer upgrade was a better choice.
The non-college route needs more respect. Good to you for trying.
(I don't know why I'm bothering, but...) ARM, you're mistaking schtick for psychology, whether you're talking about Trump or Obama.
-2.5 today, another 0.7% move. First time Mr. Trump has moved to a minority Disapproving since very early 2017. It will move further when Rasmussen comes in.
bagoh20 said...
Any normal shop would want an experienced machinist first, or at least a school-trained one with some kind of sheepskin second. School is pretty much mandatory for most other employers unless you have experience.
When you say school-trained do you mean Community college? I am working with high schools. Not sure the details on certification straight from high school.
My long term, experienced machinists make about $20-$25 per hour, but they also have lots of options. ... he will do well selling his work for $30 - $100 an hour, depending on the customer.
This was less than I was expecting, probably not enough to live comfortably where I live.
The skills can prepare you for lots of other things, like Computer Aided Design and drafting, inventing your own products, and learning how things are made, which is a great background to start a business.
This would be the broader goal, to create manufacturing entrepreneurs, like yourself.
I have no problem believing that the young Obama changed his mind as he matured and then changed again.
Not to worry; no-one remotely familiar with your “thought” processes has ever doubted your pathetically desperate eagerness to believe whatever politically expedient nonsense that your masters shovel at you.
Todd said...
I would focus not "just" on understanding how to run a CNC but the entire process, design to production. These skills lay upon other foundational skills.
Yes this would be the goal, and also to understand how to create and run a manufacturing business.
VERY good 3d printers can be had for $300 to $1000. I recently replaced my older one with a new dual-head printer for $600 and was astounded with the resulting model quality.
I have one of the hobbyist printers, I was a bit disappointed with the quality of the products. Fine for some things but more limited than I had anticipated.
"real" CNC machines are quite expensive but there is a "class" of hobby machines that might do well in a class-room environment that come in 2,3,4, & 5 axis models all below $2500. Depending on model, these can cut up through brass & aluminum.
The local school has quite a good CNC router but not a mill. They are not short of money the problem is creating an overall training program that actually prepares the students for a job when they leave school. I agree CAD will be a big part of that.
The goal,in my mind, is train people who can use the newer automation technologies to create cost-competitive manufacturing businesses in the US. High schools are a small part of that, but they can plant a seed that blossoms in some. I need a successful model to point to when arguing for this.
Pookie Number 2 said...
pathetically desperate
What is wrong with you? I have opinions they are different to yours. My opinions are a closer reflection of the majority of people in this country than yours. Grow up and learn to deal with differences in opinions. You should have learnt this in kindergarten.
What is wrong with you?
Literally nothing. I have no problem with people that disagree with me. On the other hand, I have neither patience nor respect for people that lie to themselves, and I’m sorry you can’t handle being called out for that.
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