The NYT reports.
ADDED: The WaPo article does not mention the Trump stickers on the van — "Man in Florida arrested in connection with mail bombs sent to public figures." Key sentence: "fter news of the arrest broke, FBI agents and other law enforcement personnel could be seen in news footage draping a blue tarp over a van in a South Florida parking lot."
AND: Can you see the Trump stickers?
The van is covered with President Trump pictures and stickers @NBC6 pic.twitter.com/pdVOTwE36S
— Dan Krauth (@DanNBC6) October 26, 2018
MORE: Info on a specific person at various sources, including Heavy. It says he's a Republican and "a promoter, booking agent and choreographer of a male stripping show as well as burlesque shows in the Miami-area."
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 555 of 555Not only brand new, they cover every window except the windshield. They are also so nicely aligned - not like the nut jobs out here in the Pacific Northwet, who seem to purposely stick them on all catawumpus all over the back of their car - on the paint and back window.
They are too perfect, too nicley applied, and there are not any on the paint. What is this whackjob - leasing the danged van? And the van is in really nice condition - also not a hallmark of most whackjobs.
It is all too perfect - the perfect caricature of the 'EVIL TRUMP GUY'.
Color me skeptical - I want more evidence and facts.
Re the FBI and Wray -
In related news from last week, or probably related, and little noted, the DOJ filed a response of summary judgement in a FOIA case seeking removal of redactions in the Carter Page FISA documents. The DOJ argues that doing so would amount to obstruction of the Mueller investigation. The threat is clear, as also the conflict and where the sides line up.
This is the DOJ openly threatening Trump and Republicans re declassification.
If Rosenstein is still willing to make threats, then its clear where his creature Wray stands. The battle of Trump vs the deep state is still on.
I have been telling you all along this whole thing is a desperate fight against a powerful and amoral enemy conspiracy. You cannot trust any Federal Agency.
And the conglomerate of the MSM, corporatist interests, foreign interests, the Democratic party and the Federal Government structure amount to the same inimical power. All in concert, each in its own area, but coordinated.
“When somebody refers to other people as "you people" I think the person who made the reference believes the other is worth less. Devaluing people reveals the devaluer as an ass hole. So I expect that people like me will notice the devaluing and respond accordingly.”
Oh please. What hypocrisy and blatant disingenuousness. You aren’t fooling anyone. You “responded” to WWWW by harassing her and scaring her so much that she no longer comments here. She was one of the most decent commenters here.
Somebody saw and photographed the van several weeks/months ago so they were not done this week.
Still this is really fishy.
AT least his bombs were only made to real, not actually detonated or even detonate-able.
At least the guy didn't shoot up 49 gays to death in a Florida nightclub.
And the conglomerate of the MSM, corporatist interests, foreign interests, the Democratic party and the Federal Government structure amount to the same inimical power. All in concert, each in its own area, but coordinated.<
I think of this as alignment of interests rather than conspiracy but that may not be important.
I would like to know if China is involved.
Maybe we have an alignment of the Clinton Crime Family vs Trump but who does Russia back ? and who does China back ?
China once had the Europeans fighting over the spoils. Maybe we now have Russia and China doing the same to us.
Well, the pictures posted show the back of a white van with different stickers form the ones from today. I did not see photos of the entire van from the earlier time frame. Also - how in heel was this person able to drive around with ALL of the side and rear glass obstructed? I think even in Florida that's a no-no. So there should be a slew of tickets for this clown.
I also want to know why someone with his criminal background, including terroistic threats, is otu walking around anyway. Is our legal system that screwed up?
Is our legal system that screwed up?
The voting felons could not be reached for comment. They are all at DNC offices collecting checks.
The guy is a mid range nut. Loves Trump, so sent a toy bomb to those who disrespected Trump. Never intended to hurt anybody, obviously. Duh.
Personally disappointed. Really wanted it to be a 4chan joker type of guy enjoying himself.
Over reaction and pretended seriousness of the situation is hilarious.
If one single device actually is PROVEN to be legitimately dangerous, I will say something nice about Inga as penance for being wrong.
I know Trump supporters. Some are former Democrats.
I've never noticed anyone here in this state on the open roads of this major metropolitan area, up and down the front range - drivers of cars or vehicles with that level of pro-Trump sticker/poster. (or pro any candidate)
I respect freedom of speech and expression, but that level of adoration for any politician is creepy.
I think it's weird how people worship politicians - and I say that about both sides of the spectrum.
Blogger Michael K said...
"Somebody saw and photographed the van several weeks/months ago so they were not done this week.
Still this is really fishy."
It is fishy.
And not a little comic opera.
Senator Schumar will soon give his impression of Ethel Merman
You “responded” to WWWW by harassing her and scaring her so much that she no longer comments here.
Bullshit. He made a simple, common reference during the Kavanaugh hearings about a person who killed his/her parents asking for mercy from the courts because he/she is an orphan.
And WWWW went off the rails thinking he was talking about her. It was even explained to her that's what it meant. Didn't matter.
I do see a lot of vehicles with bumpers covered with pro-democrat stickers. Maybe a few in the back window. Nothing like this guy.
Every last thing about US politics in the last 20 years is "fishy".
None of us, who are not truly on the inside, has a worthwhile picture of whats really going on. At best, if you pay attention to the contextual information and such bits we can see, we can know that there is a very great deal we don't know. All that really is important in fact.
The public has a very vague idea of the conflict, what is important and what isn't, where the sides really line up, and even the stakes of the game. The "issues" the media creates are, all of them, fictional, irrelevant, and deliberate smokescreens.
The only rational response is the greatest possible distrust. Paranoia is rational.
ALL of the R's I know do not have bumper stickers on their cars. No way.
Not worth the harassment &/or vandalism.
Yeah - as far as I know, all states have rules about how much of the glass can be covered befor eyou get ticketed\impounded. With ALL of the side glass and back window obstructed, the van would not be safe to drive.
NY Times reports that people have seen that van, with the stickers, around since last December. But, of course, y'all don't believe anything the lying NYT says.
If he is legit a member of the Seminole tribe, they might have tribal police who let it slide.
Anyone you see on TV, and most in print in the MSM, are really puppets, being manipulated by a hand up the nether passage. We can be sure of that, at least. What we don't know is the owner of that hand.
Shorter Inga/CNN/Maddow: Everyone who supports Trump is to blame.
What I think is funny is when a Prius is covered with bumper stickers. It's redundant, a Prius is a bumper sticker.
I mean have you ever been surprised by a sentiment on a Prius bumper sticker?
That's really rich Inga. We will not be silenced. We are going to continue to point out that socialist policies are terrible for people.
Hell, let's just say it right. The same socialists you support, are no different than the ones who killed over 100 million people in the twentieth century.
That, Inga, is what you are bringing us to again. More Che, more Castro, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Thats who Democrats are; that's who you are. Cold blooded killers. Break the eggs; make the omelets.
Nice.
being manipulated by a hand up the nether passage.
It's turtles all the way up!
If one single device actually is PROVEN to be legitimately dangerous, I will say something nice about Inga as penance for being wrong.
@FullMoon, I will NEVER say anything nice about Inga. She exists only to be laughed at.
ha - I just remember I was pulled over many (many) decades ago (I was a teen)
I jammed a piece of paper in the window to temporarily block the wicked sun that was setting and shining into my eyeballs.. I just jammed it up there. Boom no sooner did the flashing lights of the squad car force me to pull over. WTF. Lucky the police officer let me off with a warning. Obstructing windows is a no-no here - back a few hundred years anyway.
You know they just charged the guy who sent Ricin to Trump and Mattis a few weeks ago and we haven't heard a thing about him except that he's from Utah. Seems to be disproportionate interest here.
tim in vermont - I saw a bit online where the Seminoles can find no tribal affiliation for him at all. So maybe like Ms. Warren, he 'feelz' like a Seminole, therefore he is.
I think the Philipine connection for his name needs to be followed up. As I remember, the girl friend of the Las vegas shooter was a Philipina - maybe this guy belongs to soem of the same groups? A long shot, but what the hey - check it out anyway.
Poor, poor Royal ass Inga wants to devalue people without those people noticing.
And when they notice, she wants to pretend the overwrought reaction of a third party excuses Inga's own bad behavior.
Sorry, Royal ass Inga, but I'm not sorry.
I think you are wrong and ill -informed.
You believe I am evil.
No likely Republican Senate seats lost.
At least five and probably more Democrat seats will be lost.
What gives?
While I think he is crazy, I also think that we are better off with this guy in the pokey, if the other stuff is true about the priors.
So he is a fake Indian too? Indians are very accepting of people who identify as Indian, right up to the point of cutting checks. Which is as it should be.
I loathe celebrities too, but I'll never send a bomb in the mail.
I'll only dream of writing movies that rise to the level of a Kathy Griffin.
He listed his affiliation as Semenhole, not Seminole
if you pay attention to the contextual information and such bits we can see, we can know that there is a very great deal we don't know. All that really is important in fact.
The politicians know where their graft is coming from but none seem to turn on the hand that feeds them.
Trump is sort of a turncoat to the elites. He was never really a member like Paulson was.
I wonder what Paul O'Neill thought but he seems to be a member in good standing.
Paulson is the guy who took TARP and made it into a piñata for the banks. He is the guy that Codevilla wrote this about
As over-leveraged investment houses began to fail in September 2008, the leaders of the Republican and Democratic parties, of major corporations, and opinion leaders stretching from the National Review magazine (and the Wall Street Journal) on the right to the Nation magazine on the left, agreed that spending some $700 billion to buy the investors’ “toxic assets” was the only alternative to the U.S. economy’s “systemic collapse.” In this, President George W. Bush and his would-be Republican successor John McCain agreed with the Democratic candidate, Barack Obama. Many, if not most, people around them also agreed upon the eventual commitment of some 10 trillion nonexistent dollars in ways unprecedented in America. They explained neither the difference between the assets’ nominal and real values, nor precisely why letting the market find the latter would collapse America. The public objected immediately, by margins of three or four to one.
When this majority discovered that virtually no one in a position of power in either party or with a national voice would take their objections seriously, that decisions about their money were being made in bipartisan backroom deals with interested parties, and that the laws on these matters were being voted by people who had not read them, the term “political class” came into use. Then, after those in power changed their plans from buying toxic assets to buying up equity in banks and major industries but refused to explain why, when they reasserted their right to decide ad hoc on these and so many other matters, supposing them to be beyond the general public’s understanding, the American people started referring to those in and around government as the “ruling class.”
TARP was the real "tell" about who ran the country. Bill Clinton once hinted at it saying, if reincarnation was real, he wanted to come back as the Bond Market.
Trump was a brassy guy like Rodney Dangerfield in "Caddyshack."
He knew the secrets but didn't respect the code of behavior.
And here we are.
Even my Canadian neighbors think it's a false flag operation.
Blogger Arashi said...
"So maybe like Ms. Warren, he 'feelz' like a Seminole, therefore he is."
If we can wake up in the morning and pick our gender for the day, why not our tribal affiliations?
If it feels good, do it! (Just ask Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin...)
It's important to understand the anger, hatred, and disgust displayed by the press is not their fault, and in no way encourages any crazies. It's Trump's fault the press behaves the way it does.
Same thing for Democrats. It's not their fault.
It seems that he is half-Filipino or more likely half-Filipino mestizo (maybe 25%?)
He does look rather mestizo to me.
Has anyone mentioned that all of the packages sent in the mail did not have adequate postage on them? Around here, if you mail things with inadequate postage, they get returned to the return address stamped with verbiage indicating this fact.
How did they go through the mail system at all? Why were they returned to the DWS address immediatley?
Inga said
"Trump is loved and revered for his rhetoric, his followers love the non stop demonizing of others. It was spite and hatred that got him where he is and is why you folks voted for him. There’s no longer any slipsliding away from what you people did to this country."
Inga, honey, Democrats and their media have been doing this for decades. Trump is merely the first political enemy of the Democrats and their media to put a full-size mirror up to those vampires.
Vehicles can legally operate with side mirrors only.At least in Iowa. Service vans like plumbers and electricians don't have side windows and most of the time the rear window is blocked.
Concerning this hoaxter,(I refuse to call these things bombs) Early reports had several of these packages being delivered by currier. How did this guy do that without assistance?
Sayoc was violent and made bomb threats long before the current president even got involved in politics. He has been arrested for theft and stolen property, according to the Associated Press, and he was arrested in 2002 on charges of threatening to “throw, place, project or discharge any destructive device."
Sayoc made that bomb threat, it seems, because he was angry at a Florida utility worker.
Inga...Allie Oop@2:24. "Boom! There it is."
LMAO! You crack me up, Oop. I've got a crush on you.
TARP was actually worse because they didn't "buy the toxic assets;" they just gave the money to the banks.
And banks that didn't need the help were forced to take some anyway so the identity of the welfare banks stayed secret.
I think Bank of America was coerced into buying Country wide.
Nicole Gelinas wrote about some of it, but we don't know the whole story.
But was he a Trump supporter back in 2002? /sarc
Arashi asks: I also want to know why someone with his criminal background, including terroistic threats, is otu walking around anyway. Is our legal system that screwed up?
Actually, yes. It is.
No, we don't know the whole story of 2008-09.
Indeed, the expansion and complication of government has made even critical matters impenetrable. All we see, that is reasonably accurate, is the result, in the form of statistics. And you need to go to original sources in that, as the reporting is usually filtered or spun.
Just so we can clear this up before we get to deep into it.
Did the Democrat Party try to assassinate President Reagan, or a Democrat nut case?
Asking for a friend.
But was he a Trump supporter back in 2002? /sarc
Don't laugh. The same people who will try to tie that to Trump are the very same people who blamed him when some guy shot up the Capital Gazette after having a years-long, personal grudge that had nothing to do with Trump.
They are dishonest assholes who like to lecture others about dishonesty.
Did any toy bombs actually go to a media figure, or all to politicians?
Since no one in the US reads author & pundit Peter Hitchens (lesser known brother of Christopher Hitchens), I will do my best here to give Peter Hitchens' explanation for Sayoc's crimes:
Marijuana smoking and other drug use.
Peter Hitchens enjoys pointing out that virtually every terrorist, whatever their religion or ethnicity, has been a heavy drug user (often marijuana), and were often coked to the gills when they committed their attacks.
Hm - in my experience, the only thing that marijuana use casued was a strong desire for Jordan Almonds and potato chips. Cocaine use though - yeah I could see that.
How did they go through the mail system at all? Why were they returned to the DWS address immediately?
There is a lot we don't know. In the FBI, we have the national equivalent of the Las Vegas police department.
Has anyone seen the book about the guy shot and killed by Vegas police shot in the back ?
I suspect we will not find out the truth until after the election, if then. I keep checking CTH which is where we might learn something.
The Florida School shooter. He was another known nut job allowed to stew in his juices.
"It seems that he is half-Filipino or more likely half-Filipino mestizo (maybe 25%?)"
All he needs is 1/1024 to qualify as a Mestizo.
Likewise, if he is 1/024 Trump supporter then all Republicans up to and including William McKinley are jointly responsible for this terroristic mail bombing against these 9 innocent Democratic stalwarts, who by grace of God were not injured by the bombs.
Is Robert DiNero to blame? He did, after all, spew lotsa hate.
In other pictures of Sayoc he seems much more Filipino.
So most likely >25% Filipino.
As for the Indian-Seminole side, that would depend on what his mother or grandmother was.
Inga: "YOU own the rhetoric."
You and your dem pals called GW Bush and John McCain and Mitt Romney "literally Hitler".
Any regrets?
LOL
I am betting ....no.
Inga, please explain why the dems called Ronald Reagan a nazi.
Not to worry, we wont be holding our breath.
LOL
So, he isn't white. He's got that going for him. Or against him? Which is it, I forget.
Well, the MSM should be along shortly to make him a 'white-whatever' so those of us of pallor can all be blamed.
I am certain that all of the major news outlets in the US sending investigative to teams to Florida to root out the Sayoc-Zimmerman connection. Perhaps they once bought smokes from the same bodega.
There must be a connection. It will be found.
In the old Spanish classification system he would have been deemed white.
Son of a mestizo father and a white mother.
That is, assuming his mother was white.
But the old Spanish system made sense, for three generations of mixing at least.
It breaks down after a century or so of blending.
The American system makes no sense at all.
Blogger Arashi said...
Hm - in my experience, the only thing that marijuana use casued was a strong desire for Jordan Almonds and potato chips. Cocaine use though - yeah I could see that.
P. Hitchens is nuts on the topic of marijuana. I don't think that he knows that users of nasty stuff like meth and coke use mj to take the edge off.
His blog at the Daily Fail is worth reading. He is more contrarian than Christopher Hitchens. P Hitchens is definitely a conservative, but a conservative from Bizarro-world, where war monger Winston Churchill was responsible for turning an intra-European territorial squabble into World War Two.
Has anyone seen the book about the guy shot and killed by Vegas police shot in the back ?
I'm still waiting for a MO for the Mandalay Bay shooter, or at least a detail timeline of events leading up the shooting. Alas, that's not nearly important to the LVPD, FBI, or MSM.
I always thought a Seminole was a half-assed Indian.
From an article at Foxnews:
"Sayoc, a former New Yorker who now resides in Aventura, Florida, is a "promoter" and "booking agent" for male stripper and burlesque shows, including touring dance troupe Chippendales, according to multiple reports. Ohio event promoter Tony Valentine told The Washington Examiner Sayoc was also periodically hired to strip in the 90s.
"He really couldn't find his niche in life, and I guess he found it now," Valentine told the newspaper. "Back in the '90s, he was running around from Minnesota to the Carolinas to Florida. He was like a gypsy."
Photos and videos posted on what is believed to be Sayoc's social media accounts in 2016 show the Florida man attending pro-Trump rallies, where he often sported a red MAGA hat and — at times — posed with Trump-Pence campaign signs. Sayoc is a registered Republican in Miami-Dade County and listed as an "active" voter, according to Florida voting records."
Buwaya wrote:
. . .
The American system makes no sense at all.
Are you thinking of the Pocahontas Exception?
Michael K said...
Somebody saw and photographed the van several weeks/months ago so they were not done this week.
Still this is really fishy.
Did they? Or did they just claim today that they saw and photographed the van weeks/months ago? Because people can claim anything if there's no evidence to disprove their claims, like a date/time stamp. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was out driving it around for the past few days at least if this was some kind of false flag operation. And as for the Twitter feed, is it possible to create something that weird by posting stuff and backdating it, especially if the Twitter people were in on it? Yeah, sounds pretty paranoid, but we know that the MSM/Silicon Valley social media orgs are all in the bag for the Democrats just from their monetary donations, and I wouldn't put "in-kind" contributions by creating a fake Twitter backstory for this guy past them.
I'll admit when this story of the delivered bombs first broke I was suspicious of it as well. There were lots of oddities to it: multiple EOD experts on TV weighed in saying that the bombs didn't look like they would work; there was seemingly childishly foolish conflicting messaging on the bomb packages which had right wing imagery but also had the return address listed as Debbie Wasserman-Schultz; also atleast one photo of the packaging showed non-postmarked stamps suggesting it never went through the mail system; and the targets themselves seemed like not ideal targets for a right-wing motivated terrorist to target. Questioning the story at that point seems reasonable and perhaps unreasonable to not question it.
That being said, they now have a person in custody, with fingerprints and DNA evidence linking him to the packages, who has a long criminal history, apparently including making at least one bomb threat in the past, and he has an established social media record and apparently well-decorated fan indicating his fondness for Trump and dislike for mainstream media and democrats. Unless we are entering Hollywood movie levels of deceit and trickery I find it hard to see how this isn't the guy and that his apparent motivations aren't his actual motivations for doing what he did. I don't know how you can get a patsy to take the heat for a crime that will likely wind up with him spending the rest of his life in prison. And dupes make very bad patsies. They tend to fall apart under interrogation when it becomes apparent the person doesn't even know or have the capability to pull off what he did.
Now there is definitely still lots of questions to ask, like how did the packages get there. Were they hand delivered? Were they mailed? IF they were delivered was this guy working with anyone else? Also it may turn out that the bombs would never have worked and this is just a dumb and crazy guy who constructed cargo-cult bombs. But unless some new evidence comes forward I think maintaining a belief in a false flag operation is far fetched.
he apparently was a dj at the a club where the porn lawyer's client's performed, holy Babylon 5, yes he's into haarp, louis Farrakhan, probably aliens,
“False flag”, you people should feel awfully stupid.
It couldn't have been a false flag operation because he had all those Trump window decals in his van windows displayed like... like some kind of banner, or pennant, or something!
Who feels stupid, Inga?
this is much stranger than any episode of the blacklist or even blindspot, try to find an algorithm for him,
Also it may turn out that the bombs would never have worked and this is just a dumb and crazy guy who constructed cargo-cult bombs.
That is a good possibility but there are still lots of questions. Why would he do this if he is not crazy ?
I think the following is interesting:
Native American male--not Native American, just white
Completely and utterly and undeniably all white dem senator--Native American!
RE: Counteywide
The Federal Reserve gave itself a legal privilege called Banker's Privilege.
They did this, in particular, to avoid FOIA requests to see what they did in 2007-2009.
The privilege has not been, to my knowledge, created by Congress or tested in the courts.
Take this for what it's worth: If you grant yourself a privilege, you are planning to abuse it.
File the FOIA requests and see.
it always struck me how lehman, imploded so close to the 2008 election, and the valukas report doesn't resolve those doubts, I have some speculation why lehman went first it has to do with which side of the oil speculation, they were on, hint opposite goldman's $200.00 barrel oil,
CNN whines that it should be illegal to criticize Hillary. How dare anyone, especially Trump, ever criticize her. It's so pathetic. Of course that's why we are in this mess. Because it needs to be illegal to criticize Hillary.
I heard a clip yesterday. not that specific - but eluding to it.
"CNN whines that it should be illegal to criticize Hillary." what are you talking about?
CTH now has a post on the case.
Sundance is struck by the same statements of Wray about the devices.
Initially Attorney General Jeff Sessions stated Mr. Sayoc could face up to 58-years in prison under the indictment. However, that statement was later corrected by DOJ spox to be a maximum of 48-years was possible from the current charges.
This is particularly curious given the very carefully worded statement from FBI Director Christopher Wray about the nature of the device(s): “energetic material that can become combustible when subjected to heat or friction.” While Director Wray went to great lengths to state the devices were “not a hoax“, if the device was an actual explosive device the charges for each of the incidents would equal a life-term.
The terminology: “energetic material that can become combustible when subjected to heat or friction“, could literally mean just about anything from CoffeeMate powered coffee creamer, to any other powered combustible.
As former federal proseuctor Andrew McCarthy noted, if the mailed IED devices were “functionally explosive” they would fall under the category “weapons of mass destruction” [defined here by U.S. code] and the indictment would include 18 US Code 2332a [SEE HERE] The absence of this charge infers the devices were not functionally explosive
Also:
The window covering (as photographed) on the front passenger window would NEVER be allowed in Florida. All jurisdictions including Florida Highway Patrol would force the removal of those window stickers as a vehicle violation and obstruction of view.
That vehicle couldn’t operate on the road in Florida for more than a few days without being caught and cited.
Very fishy.
Why would he do this if he is not crazy ?
Well assuming he isn't crazy, he has to be at least strongly emotionally agitated to do something like this. So let's assume he is genuinely a Trump megafan. He probably would have been following lots of what Trump says as well as other right wing media. There are lots of stories showing how people on the right are subjected to harassment, intimidation, and violence from the left. This could range from people hounding a husband and wife going out for dinner, to conservative speakers being chased off campus, to kids getting punched in the face for wearing a MAGA hat, to the attempted mass assassination of Republican congressmen. Now let's say our suspect, thinks the root cause for all this is left-wing leaders vilifying the right, painting the right at large and politicians in particular as evil, racist, vile, nazis etc. The targets of the bombs are all people who have done this to some degree or another. He might want to send them a warning and scare them to show how easily the violence they are instigating against the right could easily come back at them.
But I don't know. At this point I will just wait for more evidence to more fully flush out this story. But I agree there are still lots of questions. Where did he get his materials, where did he get his 'bomb-making plans' if he had any at all, why was at least one package not postmarked, who delivered it if it was delivered, are there other people involved, did he talk to anyone else about sending bombs to people even if it appeared to be in jest?
"How did they go through the mail system at all? Why were they returned to the DWS address immediatley?" Because the post office was in on it.
Ann stands here with her president in not being able to see the Trump signs, the Hillary etc. in the gun sights, the media hatred in the stickers on the van of the bomber. Ann should knock it off with this riff about not being able to see, it's pitiful but tiresome and all too obvious. Ann can't see this seedy bodybuilder and male dancer, who looks like he's now found religion in the church of Trump, going to the rallies, chanting the chants, buying the whole schtick. Ann I guess still thinks this is all pretty funny overall, if not a hoax, coming as the Saudi journalist murder coverup moves ahead smoothly, and laughing her head off at the idea that the US president should show even a shred of human decency and courage.
That's also why her absurd exegesis of Muddy Waters today, coming amid her equally phony promotion of Bob Dylan, just advertise a morally vacant outlook, casually encouraging the Trumpists while oddly feeding their ignorance. There are better ways to see.
Can Deep State accomplish Benghazi level frame on this guy?
Anything can now be "discovered" in the van!!
I heard a clip of people whining on CNN that Trump says mean things about Hillary.
Perhaps that sort of thing should be out-lawed?
and the times published presidential assassination fan fiction, just the other day, so called comedy central, has a similar chaser coming up,
Censorship is wrong. The remedy for speech you don't like is to explain why you don't like and provide alternatives to the ideas being expressed.
But its more fun to scream and yell and throw things at people you disagree with, so thats what we get today.
"CNN whines that it should be illegal to criticize Hillary." what are you talking about?
"I heard a clip of people whining on CNN that Trump says mean things about Hillary."
So, you just made it up. OK.
No - I heard the clip of actual CNN on-air talent speaking.
It's strange. Is an idiot like this Sayoc able to disseminate several bombs in different locations in a short time?
No single person is. We have 12 packages, sent to various states - suposedly through the USPS, some of which did not have sufficient postage on them. For all of them to show up in a few days of one another, they would have to ahve been sent over a several day time frame. You can get a good estimate of the normal delivery time frame on the USPS website and use that as your guide.
So the devices would need to be sent out over maybe a week? There should be cancellation stamps on them and there should be internal tracking in the USPS for them.
We need more data.
Is it false flag if USA agency carries out subrosa operation and frame patsy?
Oh, Jim Harvey, you clever guy.
Can you show me a picture of the envelopes with a postmark on the stamps?
Do you get letters or packages through the USPS without postmarks?
Also - the MSM says the one to Soros house was deleiverd by a private courier. How the hell did Sayoc get that package to the courier? One would presume they have records - even if phony ID was used by the perpetrator.
I have to abandon my 4 chan hoaxter theory.
Now I'm back to Reichstag fire. In that theory the effective part of the Reichstag fire was set by Nazi agents. These agents had recruited a feeble-minded Communist arson freak who was taken inside the building at the same time as the Nazis were there starting effective fires and left to scatter arson materials about, to start small ineffective fires and to be quickly arrested. He never doubted that he was guilty but, in history, the Reichstag fire has come to be seen as a false flag incident staged by the Nazis. It aimed at building public support for Nazi attacks on civil liberties. The question in a false flag op is - who benefits? This incident is being used already by the press to demand that the press, John Brennan, and others, receive no criticism. I expect that there will be other "October surprises" but that they will be believed and that they will followed by "November Surprise Part 2."
CTH in his deep dive has shown Mueller is figurehead chosen by his team, who are awaiting election to flip House of Representatives.
I expect that there will be other "October surprises" but that they will NOT be believed
are there other people involved, did he talk to anyone else about sending bombs to people even if it appeared to be in jest?
Why is he listed as an "active voter" with felonies?
Well, we know that. "Voter Suppression."
How about this sequitur?
Bezos owns WaPo. And Amazon.
Amazon owns USPS.
WaPo owns USPS.
Where was I going
Trump is loved and revered for his rhetoric, his followers love the non stop demonizing of others. It was spite and hatred that got him where he is and is why you folks voted for him. There’s no longer any slipsliding away from what you people did to this country.
Three fundamental mistakes in these sentences, one apiece. First, we do not love Trump for his rhetoric. Chuck (capital 'C') makes that mistake, too. We love him for the enemies he has accumulated, and the way he drives them to do ever more stupid things. Second, to the extent that "hatred" got him elected, it was hatred of people so lacking in personal integrity that they thought the blatantly corrupt and stupendously incompetent Hillary Clinton would make a competent president. Third, what did we -- and Trump -- "do to this country" besides improving the economic lot of people at the lower end of the economic ladder? Unemployment is at a half-century low.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
Freder Frederson said...
So, when do you guys who jumped the gun and were absolutely certain this was a false flag operation, apologize.
I was never absolutely certain. I was wrong. I apologize.
10/26/18, 12:26 PM
What are you apologizing for? What was wrong in what you said? What would a false flag operation consist of that this is inconsistent with?
I think it's safe to say that there is no need to stampede to judgment as the media would have us do, as usual. There's obviously more to learn. And you know they can do all the dancing and avoid reality, but if they don't get is that it's just as good if they look ridiculous. And this does look ridiculous.
Right on Big Mike.
-sw
In a sane world, now that this guy has been arrested, the story should go away for awhile. I mean, what more can come out that hasn't come out already? They got the guy. Now we are just waiting for the trial.
It might be instructive to see what the media will do to keep this on front page.
And what about the caravan gambit? Have the Dems decided it was a loser and had to roll out some new spaghetti to throw at the wall?
Blogger Jersey Fled said...
In a sane world, now that this guy has been arrested, the story should go away for awhile. I mean, what more can come out that hasn't come out already? They got the guy. Now we are just waiting for the trial.
I think, in a sane world, we would be waiting for other info, like who delivered the packages.
I suspect that this is an op by someone and we will be lucky to learn any more even after the election.
It looks like the guy is crazy but he had some help.
I hope some of you are visiting the Althouse Amazon portal while your visiting, speculating and ranting. Show some love to our hostess.
This might be a great place to visit if you do choose to use the Althouse portal.
"Mike Sylwester said...
I hope he already voted, because he probably votes for all the Republican candidates."
Ha.
>> I also want to know why someone with his criminal background, including terroistic threats, is out walking around anyway. Is our legal system that screwed up?
Not just walking around. "Active voter"
That's illegal in Florida, unless he's successfully petitioned to have his civil rights restored.
God, I wish John Pickering would actually write something that had a point to it. Even Inga's comments are more coherent.
>>That vehicle couldn’t operate on the road in Florida for more than a few days without being caught and cited.
This is not true. Florida cops aren't on patrol looking for obstructed windows. I never cited anybody for that, and don't know any officer who has. Not proof, of course, just a data point.
A neighbor drove for more than a year with a shattered windshield, also against Florida law.
There are way too many people driving like lunatics and smashing into each other for window sticker to get much attention.
Not to mention all the actual "crime crime", as Whoopi would say.
"buwaya said...
Deep game Kabuki.
Guy's a patsy."
Or like the Coen's thought of it*, "a puppet, a proxy, a pawn..."
*it
"Paradigm Shift - Google Books Result
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Navneet Gupta - 2015 - Fiction
Our politicians are puppets/pawns/proxies for a higher power, 'Global Corporatism' which owns the government, media, & our resources. "I think the American ...'"
"What we need now is a new president who will inspire panic in the stockholder, a puppet, a proxy, a pawn..."
This is a link I approve of whole-heartedly.
Now watch it.
WATCH IT!.
3 meals a day and a place to sleep?
Have the Dems decided it was a loser and had to roll out some new spaghetti to throw at the wall?
It's not spaghetti, it's linguini.
Pro Trump brownshirts are getting arrested on the west and east coasts for violence to counter protestors. Let’s never hear again how leftists are the violent ones. They were stockpiling weapons and now have been busted by the FBI.
"I’ve said this before on these threads, an unstable person will take his cues from a person with a loud public voice, and who has a bigger louder more hateful voice than this President? Trump is complicit in this and other instances in which people have violently attacked the press and Trump opponents. You people have celebrated his rhetoric, you agree with it, you want him to keep it up, you didn’t foresee something like this happening?"
Trump's voice is not as loud as liberal rhetoric has been for decades. I'm fine with unstable people taking political action, since you seem to be fine with it.
For every conservative politician shot on a baseball field, we should agree that a democrat should be shot.
For every conservative run out of a restaurant, we should agree that a democrat should be run out.
For every conservative passer-by hit in the head with a bike lock, we should agree that a democrat should be hit in the head with a bike lock.
For every conservative's window smashed, a democrat's window is smashed.
Are you OK with those rules Inga?
Look up Trumpenkriegers.
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
Pro Trump brownshirts are getting arrested on the west and east coasts for violence to counter protestors. Let’s never hear again how leftsis are the violent ones.
If people claim that literally all the violence is occurring solely on the left that is incorrect. However the lion's share certainly does. Also the left likes to point out a couple of protesters at trump rallies that get manhandled, yet for some reason we never hear about right wing people showing up at left wing rallies to instigate things. The left has the much larger problem with violence. It is probably because so many on the left are certain that they are the good guys and the right are the bad guys, whereas it is more common the right to view the left as dumb and wrong but not evil and bad.
Look up Fingerfuckers.
“However the lion's share certainly does.”
Simply not true.
Simply not true.
When is the last time you heard about a lefty speaker being chased off a campus because of violence or the threats of violence? When is the last time you heard about a person getting attacked for wearing a "I'm with Her" shirt or an Obama shirt, or even a Che shirt, or walking around with a Hammer and Sickle emblem?
“This is not true. Florida cops aren't on patrol looking for obstructed windows. I never cited anybody for that, and don't know any officer who has. Not proof, of course, just a data point.”
In our sojourns to and from MT, we have been pulled over several times for overly tinted windows in our Tahoe. Latest was in MT this summer, but also have been pulled over in ID and UT. The back windows are legally too dark in these states (we got it at a police auction in PHX. We think that it was tricked out like an Escalade by gang bangers, which is why the cops had the vehicle). My partner needs the tint to prevent reoccurrence of skin cancers. The MT state trooper told us to get a doctor’s order, which we can submit to them, and that will keep them from pulling us over as often. I should note that the state troopers in these states have had apparatuses. That tested the windows for being too darkly tinted, which suggests to me that pulling us over was not the only time they did this sort of thing, but, rather, there was some frequency to it.
"What we need now is a new president who will inspire panic in the stockholder, a puppet, a proxy, a pawn..."
44.
Not counting the mezzanine.
"It might be a cigar if they ignore it."
Cigar doesn't always auto-correct dagger, but if it does...
Wake up*.
*notable lack of exclamation point there (.)
If you look at the loyalty of a dog, and only(!) think of Mike Vick and his abuse, even with money-priv, well you'll know what to do.
Sad.
I once wrote, and meant, and still understand what I had meant, that Obama wasn't totally evil because he called Kanye a jackass.
Simple logic isn't by virtue wrong vis. the. v. its simplicity.
This relativity thought-line I've been riding high on ain't somehow lost its legs.
The window covering (as photographed) on the front passenger window would NEVER be allowed in Florida. All jurisdictions including Florida Highway Patrol would force the removal of those window stickers as a vehicle violation and obstruction of view.
No this is false.
Think panel vans. No side windows. Perfectly legal as long as you have side mirrors. Even the back does not require a window, or is OK to have it blocked, as long as you have side mirrors.
Correcting this is not a big deal, its just that if you're wrong on facts, the entirty of the argument goes south too.
Opps, my bad. Did not see the words 'front window' other people have been making the claim about the side and rear windows. Sorry
One of the more predictable outcomes of the leftists lies is the attacking of black republicans by white thug democrats.
Just like the 1800's....again.
"It's a hole.
Like Portland in Oregan, California is a hole in America."
...
Been away from the news for a while. Has there been any footage of the FBI tossing this guy's address? No address? Van down by the river?
Either there's bombmaking material in the van or it was made with or by someone else.
Guildofcannonballs said...
"Mike Sylwester said...
I hope he already voted, because he probably votes for all the Republican candidates."
Ha.
So perfect.
They were stockpiling weapons and now have been busted by the FBI.
This is fantasy by an idiot who infests this comments section with DNC talking points that she usually gets confused.
See you in the morning. There are books to read.
And know, when we loved you older, it was bolder.
Loving bolder older.
All a con job?
Older bolder, then young best-aught unsung?
Recent pictures of the van do show there were different stickers on the van not too long ago.
Make of that what you will.
Much as I want to hate them all, Farley's brothers starringly a[[eard in LYN'CH Straignt Story.
Welp, the one thing we can count on is for the DEM/Media complex to overplay their hand.
Inga, brown shirts? Really? Surely you can make a cogent argument for your positions without invoking Nazi Germany. What took place in Germany was a human tragedy. One had hopes that we would never witness such savagery again, but human nature all but guarantees scores be settled and "others" purged.
Please read this and think about it, not as gamesmanship or hyperbole, but as a viable risk if we don't tamp down the divisive rhetoric on both sides of the political divide.
How could ya hate folks what included them?
Daddy's Home 2.
I liked and like it.
The super super super hottie feeling insecure.
The old dolts super-dolt.
Everyone wins, the super super super hottie cast as the not-so-hot.
And you, audience.
You win too.
Was Camp Hollywood the real spawn of The Disaster Artist?
I'm glad only I care.
LOL.
"Pro Trump brownshirts are getting arrested on the west and east coasts for violence to counter protestors. Let’s never hear again how leftsis are the violent ones."
Thanks for the link and citation.
Considering what some in this crew are like, I almost thought it could be Birkel.
Y'all need to stop.
" . . and who has a bigger louder more hateful voice than this President?"
Loud, yes, but hateful, no.
I see Trump saying that there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville, which is true without a doubt, just as there were bad people on both sides.
I then see the media saying that this means that Trump supports nazis, and of course it is a moral duty to hate nazis.
How insane do you have to be, BTW, to see some Sons of the Confederacy protesting against taking the statue down, and some nazis protesting against taking the statue down, and when Trump says there were good people on both sides, you assume he's talking about nazis and you scream "Nazis! Trump says that their are good nazis!"
Jesus Christ on a surfboard you Lefties are !@#$% nuts.
I see Trump saying that many illegal immigrants are criminals, which, again, is undoubtedly true. I then see the media report that Trump has said that all illegal immigrants are criminals, which was not what he said.
It isn't Trump that is dividing Americans. It is the media, which long ago decided that half of Americans were wicked while the other half were angels -- and of course the media put itself on the side of the angels
Is his Twitter feed and Facebook page still up? It seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time on display after identification.
As I've noted earlier, it's about the narrative for the elections. If the media can use this individual to demonstrate that this is what republicans are, then they will do it.
...Third, what did we -- and Trump -- "do to this country" besides improving the economic lot of people at the lower end of the economic ladder? Unemployment is at a half-century low.
This is the point that shows that leftists, like Inga, are hateful people. They want to control people and not run a country for the people. The above is why we want someone like Trump. Make things better, and he has done. The leftists and the media escalates to actual hateful rhetoric with calls to actual violence.
Blogger Char Char Binks said...
'“False flag”, you people should feel awfully stupid.
It couldn't have been a false flag operation because he had all those Trump window decals in his van windows displayed like... like some kind of banner, or pennant, or something!
Who feels stupid, Inga?
'
Fergaet it CharChar. It's Florida man.
The Crack Emceel: "Considering what some in this crew are like, I almost thought it could be Birkel."
Perhaps you should get some professional help when you find yourself having such wildly out of touch thoughts.
So is this guy the one they called "Squi?"
"Inga, brown shirts? Really? Surely you can make a cogent argument for your positions without invoking Nazi Germany."
Inga is incapable of making a cogent argument, period. William F. Buckley once wrote that Eleanor Roosevelt's biography could be seen as a life-lomg war against the syllogism. That is pretty true of "liberals" in general these days, and Inga illustrates that pretty well.
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