The NYT reports.
Interesting to see the caravan woven into the speculation. The caravan seems to be powerfully helpful to the right wing.
ADDED: Yesterday, I blogged a WaPo article about the caravan and noted that the most-liked comments over there are working on a conspiracy theory that says "GOP operatives" funded the caravan. This morning, I'm reading a newer WaPo article — "How the migrant caravan became so big and why it’s continuing to grow" — and the same thing is happening in the comments. Here's the most-liked one:
Why isn't the media digging into the possibility that Trump's administration is behind the caravan? The timing of its formation right before the mid-terms seems totally suspect to me.Maybe just a troll, with trolls doing the up-voting. Or just a sarcastic comedian.
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Did they say how they know that speculation to be false?
The bombs are of course an outage regardless of source.
But interesting that NYT can declare “false” the claim that Soros is funding the caravans. How do they fucking know?
Outrage, not outage!
RE: "In recent days, some have falsely speculated that he funded a caravan of migrants moving north in Mexico."
What evidence is used to back the assertion that he didn't finance the caravan?
George Soros can be described in many ways, but “philanthropist” isn’t among them. This will turn out to be a false flag operation; if a Republican had done it, the bombs would have done their job.
I think the caravan has made Trump's wall much more likely to happen. I never much cared for the idea of a wall but now I'm rethinking the issue. Since this story about the explosive device is from the NYT I automatically question whether it, and the story about Soros, are true. If the stories are, I am truly glad that these devices were detected and taken care of.
In recent days I have been falsely speculating that Obama funded a caravan of migrants moving north in Mexico because he's like Trump.
For the record, I condemn this sort of violence/threat of violence by either side. I hope whomever did this is caught and punished to the full extent of the law.
"In recent days, some have falsely speculated that he funded a caravan of migrants moving north in Mexico."
Agreed - how do they know?
Since the bombs were not successful, I'd say that they were sent by sympathetic Democrats.
turned on GMA (Clintonopolis TeeVEE) for a brief moment before I got up and they were calling Trump a liar over and over.
At the very end of the segment, they mentioned that the caravan might be funded by Venezuelan leftists. They quickly ended the segment.
Trump also paid for Warren's DNA test. All these Democrat own goals are the fault of that demon Trump.
Just ask trumpit.
Why isn't the media digging into the possibility that Trump's administration is behind the caravan?
What evidence is there that the media is not digging into the possibility? I assume that they are, and that they would publish if they found even the slightest evidence. The fact that they are not publishing such is the dog that didn't bark.
Why is the media not reporting on Republicans that have been getting attacked, and are now crazed over Soros and The Clintons???? I smell a false flag here, made to make it look like Republicans are as crazy as the crazy haters on the left....right before the elections.
The Democrat media like George Soros. He is after all, a philanthropist for leftwing causes and that is peachy.
Whoa! Who saw this coming? They opened the package sent to the Clinton's, and it was a cigar with a note that said: "I don't want it any more." Signed "ML"
Wendybar - I agree. A bomb in a mailbox smells funny. Why bother? It's all about attention and sympathy for the Clintons.
Funny. Maybe I've just seen too many things in my life, or it's the era we live in, but my first thought when reading this was that it's too perfect a set up for the Dems to portray the countryside as filled with masses of white supremacists. Same thing with the racists robocalls going out in Florida supposedly targeting repubs to vote against black Gov hopeful Andrew Gillum.
I just can't help thinking that this is the low warfare we're in now. Dems could be arranging those calls so very easily. As they could also arrange to have an 'explosive' sent to, but stopped short, of reaching Hillary or Obama. I mean- I don't see any Republican sending a bomb to Hillary or Obama. Every time they speak, it drives up Republican vote attention.
Between the bombs and robocalls, I just smell Democrat dirty tricks all over it.
Or- throw in how easy it is for a foreign dark op to arrange any of this: China, Russia, Iran- anybody who wants to foment more angst in America would find this just too easy.
As I said, I can't take any of what I see at straight value anymore. To me Occam's Razor points to the Dems. They can arrange it, they have the most to gain by these things.
Obama too!
Plus this writing from the NYT. Boy - they sure do like their Soros.
"The Times reported that the device was similar to one found at the home of George Soros, a politically active billionaire and pariah to many on the right,"
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
The problem with the bomb in a mailbox is no one ever gets hurt and it probably only acts to gin up sympathy for the target.
Worked pretty well for the Unibomber. However, he was targeting people who open their own mail. No chance of that happening if you send stuff to either Obama or Clinton. I don't know about Soros.
Nobody sends Hillary a bomb. She's a plus for the right. It's all false flag operation.
Temujin... We could be looking at the October surprise. A false flag operation...
We have plenty of time to figure out who did what before guessing at it.
Unibomber haiku
The postman cometh
"Oh, boy! A package for me!"
Twisted hermit strikes.
http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Funny-pages/haiku-unab.html
Temujin said...
I don't see any Republican sending a bomb to Hillary or Obama. Every time they speak, it drives up Republican vote attention.
No rational Republican would, but there are nut-jobs on both sides of the aisle, so I'm certainly not ruling out a nut-job on the right.
The beauty of this thing degenerating into competing conspiracy theories is that it trashes the whole Up With People narrative that would normally be attached to a group of refugees. Now they're just a political football, boring to most and easily discarded for a newer one.
Concur. False Flag.
Person involved is going to be a loony lefty. Most likely another Bernie Bro or Antifa.
That won't stop the MSM from blaming Trump right away and continually for the next two weeks, evidence be damned.
"False" to a journalist these days means "known to be untrue," "unknown whether true or not," and "couldn't be bothered to look into it."
False flag. Will the FBI do a 'thorough' investigation? Can they be trusted?
Case in point....https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/10/24/sen-chris-murphy-already-using-soros-clinton-obama-bomb-threat-to-hammer-media-coverage-of-migrant-caravan/
False flag operations to gin up false equivalence.
oh FFS! a "bomb"? For Hillary?!? LOL
if it was a package containing garlic, a stake, and a crucifix, then maybe.
The police report didn't cost anything, and caravan, Soros are clickbait. The journalist (?) took a couple minutes.
You are experiencing the death of an industry, slow and painful. Are you more informed after reading the article? Maybe a bit, a bomb is news. But your brain shrunk a little after that.
"explosive powder"
#Always Believe The Narrative.
Agreed - how do they know?
Complete lack of evidence?
Look, we know the primary group that is helping organizing caravan logistics -- Pueblo Sin Fronteras.
Non-New York Times USA Today link
The case that the right makes for ascribing this to Soros is that Soros does fund a number of pro-immigrant groups. Money being fungible and activists being joiners, some of his contributions to groups a, b, c, can be argued to indirectly fund groups x, y, z. (The idea that Open Society money is being directly funneled to caravan organizers has zero supporting evidence, nor does it reflect the way that grant funding organizations even work). Here's a key paragraph from Influence Watch about the last caravan:
In Spring 2018, hundreds of migrants from Central America approached the U.S.-Mexico border seeking asylum in the United States and threatening to enter illegally if their request was denied. Pueblo Sin Fronteras organized the caravan in conjunction with the CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project.[10] [11] The CARA coalition consists of the Catholic Legal Immigration Network, the American Immigration Council, the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services, and the American Immigration Lawyers Association, all groups advocating for legal status for illegal immigrants and expanded immigration overall.[12] These organizations have been funded by a number of major left-of-center grantmaking foundations, including the Open Society Foundations, MacArthur Foundation, Ford Foundation, and Carnegie Corporation of New York. [13] The caravan eventually halted in Mexico City on April 4 instead of reaching the United States border.[14]
Note trickle-down nature of this conspiracy. Pueblo Sin Fronteras obtains support from a coalition of immigration-reform groups. These groups have obtained funds, over many years, from big foundations, including the Open Society Foundation.
If you follow the footnotes neither footnote 10 or 11 actually supports the assertion made in the article -- but again, the CARA connection would hardly be surprising. Offering lobbying and legal support is what CARA does. That's your George-Soros-Funded-Conspiracy.
I agree. A bomb in a mailbox smells funny.
Does anybody think that Soros, Clinton or Obama checks their own mailbox? They hire flunkies to do that sort of thing for them.
"explosive powder"
Within 24 hours, the explosive substance was identified as sugar dust.
was it the campaigning supplies she ordered from " ACME " ??
("Please! Not the exploding ones!!" --Monica)
A right-wing Trumpist would have sent Clinton nomination papers instead.
If the bomber wants to get both Clintons, then two separate bombs are needed. The happy couple haven't lived under the same roof in decades.
'Explosive Powder' for Hillary might mean Metamucil.
Looks like one was sent to the White House as well. Expect the Clinton/Obama targeted angle to get less push.
"False Flag"
Left, right, up, down, and in circles across the net I've been hearing rumblings of this on both sides, which tells me there's a chance, because anytime you hear it only on one side it's usually because one side isn't doing too well.
I hope not, but my days of being skeptical in the negative - i.e. believing that the extremes in either group don't have sleeper people on "stand-by" - as opposed to skeptical in the positive...that they probably do...are long over.
I read this last night https://americanmind.org/essays/our-revolutions-logic/
Very very good, and very very sad.
It's official. Trust and magnanimity, aka restraint within the citizenry is DOA. I'm calling it. I don't see us trusting each other across the aisle ever again.
Prescient that Ann's other post this morning was about a Lee portrait...
Not good. I don't much care for Hillary, politically, but I don't want assholes to start setting bombs on political opponents.
Explosive powder would include flour. Maybe for Hillary's cookies.
In recent days, some have falsely speculated that the NYT is owned by Carlos Slim.
They forgot to mention that Soros made money first in arms sales and then brought the British Pound down with currency speculation. And he helped the Nazis.
I dislike the three people getting the pipe bombs, but it is not right nor good to send the bombs. Find them, prosecute them, jail them.
Trump should at this point speak out.
Conspiracy theories blaming Trump are stupid. However, I would not put it past Soros to fund the mob.
Six inch explosive pipe? You sure it wasn't Bill's dick?
A neutral observer would have questioned the “falsely “. How does the NYT know?
Remember when Steve Scalese was actually SHOT. He's a member of congress. The media barely mentioned it and moved on quickly.
Now we know how the Democrats decided to handle their fuck up of creating the Caravan.
Conspiracy theories blaming Trump are stupid. However, I would not put it past Soros to fund the mob.
I love the cognitive dissonance.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could trust the FBI to sort this in an unbiased manner? Could as easily be a CIA deep state operation.
The Democratic party October surprise.Notice how clever after the "jobs not mobs" meme took off.
In a hockey game, when the players stop trusting the refs, violence happens.
This just in: Devices mailed FROM the White House. Return address: DJT.
What do you think that means? back to you in the studio, Jake.
Interesting (not really) that the NYT reporting seeds the article with (1) the statement that Soros is often subject to “right wing” attacks and (2) the statement that the caravan is “falsely” speculated to have been funded by Soros.
Did the NYT investigate and prove those two things, or should we say (like CNN and MSNBC do) that the NYT claims “without evidence” that these things are true.
I have to say, my spidey senses are tingling. These “explosive devices” (Soros and now Clinton and Obama) could be the work of a right wing nut, but it sure seems more like a page out of the left’s playbook. I would NOT be surprised to find out (if we ever do) that they are hoax acts. Done by lefties to make it look like right wing violence. Lefties are famous for fake hate crimes and staged bullying in an effort to feed a narrative.
And the left is losing their shit over the media talking about mobs and violence and it’s all lefties, Antifa etc. they NEED some reports of “right wing” violence so they can keep saying it’s on “both sides”. It isn’t, but that’s what their narrative needs to be. And they only need to keep up the charade until Election Day. Then if the hoax is exposed they’ll bury the story. Right down the memory hole....
I could be wrong, but I seldom am.
For you LYNNDH...
He was a also collaborator. Not only in the video below but in many other venues, an admitted adjunct (if not actual member) of the Nazi party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Id0-Lsyr0
Word is out to the FBI , let the investigation into these bombs linger past the elections and then find out it wasn't a conservative but a "loner".
All powder is explosive.
The talcum powder you put in you jockey shorts is explosive.
What kind of powder was this?
No, I don't trust the media to tell us the truth.
John Henry
It's certainly possible that this could be a "false flag" since it almost certainly helps that Left's side of the argument (that the Right is encouraging more actual violence than the Left so that therefore they're somehow "better", I guess). But it's also possible that it's just a derranged oestensibly right wing nutjob that's responsible too.
Either way, unless and until they find out whoever it is that is actually responsible I think people will choose to believe whatever they want about the actual motivations of this bomber and it probably won't move the needle much one way or the other.
The political tension in this country has been ratcheted up to such a state over the past few years that the (hopefully) tiny fringe of dangerously unstable whackjobs on both sides could be agitated to more extreme actions like this. It's entirely possible that this sort of thing could happen a lot more often in the coming months. And predictably each side will claim that this escalation of violence is all the other sides doing of course.
Henry
The word for unevidenced is unevidenced, not false. In Blasey Ford's case the NYT's term of art was “credible”.
Port Authority bomb was made of Christmas lights, sugar and a battery
@Ken B -- True enough. But at a certain point lack of evidence can be used to derive a conclusion.
I'd like to know how the New York Times can say, "some have falsely speculated that he funded a caravan of migrants moving north in Mexico.".
Some may have correctly speculated that he funded the caravan.
Is the NYT the definitive source on caravan funding speculation?
CNN evacuated
Oh no. What we will we do without CNN telling us Trump is a liar all day long?
They used to write novels like this in the 19th century called potboiler "And the plot thickens."
Fucking autocorrect. How many times do I have to type it?
> Maybe just a troll, with trolls doing the up-voting. Or just a sarcastic comedian.
Nah, the commenters at WaPo are seriously nuts. That's the scary thing these days, not clowns, but honest to G*d lunatics.
Not just that, SDaly, they would be rid of her. Except that the left is more suspicious of the Democrats than we are.
Are these really bombs? None of them went off. Is it because they were wired and failed, or were they designed to be as effective as Clock Boy's "bomb"?
This is an important point. It's the difference between simple harassment and homicidal intentions.
(And, yes, I condemn all violence and hope the FBI catches and prosecutes the idiots who did this.)
johnhenry100 said...
All powder is explosive.
Not true. Many, such as sugar, flour, talcum powder, or baking powder, are explosive only when mixed with air. When not mixed with air (such as when they are in a pipe), they are not explosive.
Gunpowder, and similar modern variants, are explosive on their own, and can thus be used in a pipe bomb.
Note that I don't trust the media to make the above distinction, so it is possible the pipes where filled with a basically inert substance that the media framed as explosive in order to make the threat sound more serious than it was.
Bombs that don't explode are the best kind to receive in the mail. Some people aren't that lucky.
Trump is colluding with the Mexican government? Progress.
With White Hispanics? At least he's not diverse. Positive progress.
Apparently a 4th pipe bomb was mailed to the White House. Not much info on it yet.
Occasional Cortex is outraged that "Holocaust Survivor" George Soros got a bomb near his house.
The fact that he "survived" by loading Jews onto box cars is not mentioned.
Not important to Keith Ellison's party, I guess.
"That device was constructed from a length of pipe about six inches long filled with explosive powder, and it was “proactively detonated” by bomb squad technicians, according to one of the officials, all of whom were briefed on the investigation."
Huh. It seems kind of strange, to me, that they know what it was filled with, since they blew it up. Do you suppose they shook it first, to see if it rattled?
"And, yes, I condemn all violence and hope the FBI catches and prosecutes the idiots who did this."
Could have been a scheme cooked up in Andy's office.
Apparently a 4th pipe bomb was mailed to the White House. Not much info on it yet.
That report has been dismissed.
The Wall, if nothing else, will force governments, organizations, and people, to take emigration reform seriously. As well as bring forward immigration reform that has forced and hidden collateral damage for social progress.
"Apparently a 4th pipe bomb was mailed to the White House. Not much info on it yet."
Could be SMOD a day late and a dollar short.
I should think that all those reporters traveling with the caravan, and who Trump claims have 100s of photos of the terrorist from the Middle East, would be able to prove one way or the other if Soros is funding the caravan. Just saying.
NYT CORRECTION: The cylinder containing powder sent to the Clinton residence was actually an Amazon delivery addressed to Bill Clinton containing a can of FDS for his separate use.
"That report has been dismissed."
Do you have a link to what you've read?
If a ME terrorist organization were apt, inserting themselves into the crowd would be genius.
But - we better not speculate because that would be wrong. It's only OK to speculate when that speculation makes Trump look bad.
"Why isn't the media digging into the possibility that George Soros is behind these bomb threats? The timing right before the mid-terms seems totally suspect to me."
Fix it for you.
I wonder how often the NYT or WaPo casually used the word "falsely" in news stories when describing anything the Obama administration said.
It would take a walking caravan MONTHS to walk thousands of miles.
Weird how they are closer to our border each day by thousands of miles.
How does that happen?
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
It would take a walking caravan MONTHS to walk thousands of miles.
Weird how they are closer to our border each day by thousands of miles.
How does that happen?
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You all are nuts.
Jupiter said...
"That device was constructed from a length of pipe about six inches long filled with explosive powder, and it was “proactively detonated” by bomb squad technicians, according to one of the officials, all of whom were briefed on the investigation."
Huh. It seems kind of strange, to me, that they know what it was filled with, since they blew it up. Do you suppose they shook it first, to see if it rattled?
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Seriously? Sheeesh. You think they couldn't examine it first? You think it is impossible to evaluate remnants? Welcome to the world, buddy. It's an interesting place.
Flat Bed Trucks
I see blank profile "Craig" is back.
Craig - How?
Do explain how the caravan of walkers is suddenly 1000 miles away when only a few days ago they were over 2000 miles away.
The device that arrived at Soros empty home was hand delivered and it was an actual explosive.
Craig - how do you know that Soros didn't set this up himself? He is, after all, the largest wealthiest democrat benefactor on the planet.
"Why isn't the media digging into the possibility that Trump's administration is behind the caravan?"
A prog's way of saying that progs might be crazy.
Rolling rolling rolling...
For someone who likes to read philosophy, I would think that R/V would have evidence for a claim like he just made, but I am beginning to understand that what he calls philosophy, most would just call left-wing propaganda.
Unless The NY Times has information as to who is funding the caravan, all they can say is its “unsupported” that Soros is funding it.
And saying “Soros is funding it” is pretty generalized. I doubt anyone thinks Soros wrote a personal check to each of the migrants or transferred each of them money or handed each of them cash.
The guy doesn’t directly fund this stuff. He donates to organizations (some of which he has people set up”) and those organizations often donate to other groups.
So asking him if he has funded it is useless. The answer is no as to directly funding migrants and likely I don’t know as to whether any group he has directly or indirectly donated to.
Trickle Down Leftwing Agitation.
Soros makes an excellent villain. He’s very creepy and corrupt.
Basically he’s Blofeld.
I'd bet money that Soros is back channeling payments to South and Central American leftist groups to pay the caravan. Those poor people are pawns. Soros didn't think it through so now the explosives are they way out.
It's all soros. Just a hunch.
https://www.prensalibre.com/guatemala/politica/captura-de-terroristas-de-isis-es-informacion-protegida-segun-el-ejecutivo
It was so much better for the left when they had tight control of what we were allowed to read, amirite, R/V?
Always worth a laugh when Pence tries to support the president and ends up looking like a fool when the president does an about face. Trump tweets that there are (not might be) Middle Eastern individuals in the caravan. Then he says there is no proof of that (or of anything!?). Meanwhile, Pence says that it is inconceivable that there are not some people in the caravan that have middle eastern ancestry. Evidence? Are we to assume they are terrorists? This is beginning to sound like the Warren controversy. How much middle eastern blood means you are middle eastern, and how much middle eastern blood means you are likely to be a terrorist?
Then Pence shamelessly lies and says that we stop ten terrorists or potential terrorists per day at the southern border. In fact, head of homeland security said that we stop ten terrorists or potential terrorists per day trying to enter the US from anywhere. Slight difference. I assume most of these people are on a no fly list.
It's hard to be a VP these days. Isn't there an NFL game he can go to and then walk out of before the game starts?
@ Craig
The caravan is suspiciously moving faster than possible by walking and you seem incredibly incurious about how, who or why.
he average person can walk about 3 miles/hour on flat, easy ground. Therefore if you can keep that pace up for 12 hours, you could potentially walk 36 miles.
36 miles in 12 hours 1000 miles / 36 = 27.77 days.. Round up for the math challenged (YOU) it would take 28 days of hardcore walking 12 hours a day to go 1000 miles. 28 days! Maybe they all have magic Ruby Slippers?
Now, try to wrap your head around the other logistics of all those people walking to invade the US.
Water. Sanitation. They have to poop someplace. What an environmental disaster.. FOOD. Where are their blankets, sleeping bags. Diapers for those "supposed" children. Extra clothing....they don't seem to be wearing rags. Medical supplies for their blisters from walking. Who is providing all these supplies. Who is bankrolling this circus? Do you even care?
Do you really think they are all just marching along and making waaaay better time than the Pioneers did on the Oregon Trail? It's F.M. (fucking magic)
In 28 days without bathing, pooping, eating, sleeping? And you aren't even curious about how they managed to make 1000 miles in just a few days?
You will believe anything.....won't you. I bet you are still butt hurt over Hillary.
The Caravan is also using trains.
Seems like the Enemymedia have this bombing false flag operation set up for a 2 week surprise. It builds on the Alt-right / Nazi Deplorables theory and tries to construct on it a sympathy for Soros and Hillary before his misdeeds are disclosed. That disclosure should happen after 11/6 elections.
Steve has a lot of heavy thinking in that comment. Don't wear yourself out Steve.
Why aren't we shown images of the caravan that show the stuff DBQ mentioned.
These people do need to eat, sleep, urinate and defecate.
"But interesting that NYT can declare “false” the claim that Soros is funding the caravans. How do they fucking know?"
How do we "fucking know" you didn't fund them? Or Obama? Or Putin? Or anyone you'd like to name?
What scintilla of information exists to suggest Soros did or even might have funded them?
Look at Steve Carell's latest propaganda movie being pushed during the World Series. He could more easily been hit in the head with a bicycle lock by AntiFa, but that movie would never get made because AntiFa is an arm of the Democrats.
AntiFa represents the real power in America and the tech giants have finally brought fascism to our shores.
Uhr -
How is it a "lie" to speculate that there might be ME terrorists hidden inside a group of people who are [some] burning US flags and marching towards our nation?
I noted earlier this AM that the latest Democrat media talking point is exactly everything in your post @10:35.
Without evidence" would be perhaps true. " Falsely" is unknowable and so a lie.
Robert Cook-
The evidence is that Soros has a long and desperate history of supporting democrat/leftwing causes. He's a billionaire philanthropist - who uses his money to get leftists elected.
Isn't it curious that the democrat hack press are not curious about how fast the caravan is moving toward our border?
Must be the talking point of the day, CNN just announced they too have found a "suspicious package".
There are a lot of homeless ISIS soldiers lately, no thanks to Obama BTW, and this invasion is a potential threat.
These people bitching and moaning are the same people mad at Bush for not stopping 9-11.
"I agree. A bomb in a mailbox smells funny."
Especially after it goes off!
Dickin ....
It is a lie to say that there are X in the caravan when you don't know if there are X in the caravan. You are making an assertion of fact that you consciously don't know is true or not. I consider that to be a lie. You are lying about what you believe.
I've noticed that the NYT and other papers lately have started asserting as bald fact things that are really hard to establish one way or the other. Here, they assert that some have "falsely" speculated that Soros has funded the caravan. Now, I'm not at all saying that Soros HAS funded the caravan, I'm just curious how the NYT can be so certain that he has NOT. It appears from other stories where I've seen this that they do the equivalent of asking Soros, he denies it, and then anybody who says anything to the contrary is speaking "falsely."
Cook: How do we "fucking know" you didn't fund them? Or Obama? Or Putin? Or anyone you'd like to name?
What scintilla of information exists to suggest Soros did or even might have funded them?
Well, we sure as Hell know that SOMEBODY is or a bunch of SOMEBODIES are funding this fake caravan. There is no way that this is a true "caravan" of refugees, fleeing suppression, that isn't being funded and photo oped as a ploy to affect the election.
Don't you even WANT to know? Or are you just accepting the pablum being spoon fed to you?
If they were a real group of refugees, they all....ALL....would have gladly taken up the offer of the Mexican Government to give them shelter and refugee status. They would have taken the first offer.
But Noooooo. They are just going to shoulder onto the United States.....while putting swastikas on the US Flag and burning it. Yeah. Real refugees. Striking out to the Promised Land that they obviously hate so much, wearing pre-printed T shirts with political slogans in ENGLISH. Of course, they will love the free benefits, welfare, foodstamps, medicaid, SSI etc etc etc etc.
What scintilla of information exists to suggest Soros did or even might have funded them?\
There is evidence of Soros funding the people who got this started, like the Honduras politician supported by Obama,
The group called Pueblos Sin Fronteras may be funded by Soros.
After she saw the images of the group on television, she typed "caravana migrante" into Google and saw that the migrants were expected to reach the Guatemala-Mexico border in two days, on Oct. 19. She paid about $10 for three separate bus tickets, traveling for 16 hours, making it to the border on time to catch the caravan.
So, who is feeding and providing services ? Still not clear.
Pence said it is Venezuela and could mean Russia nd China.
In fact China owns 49% of Venezuela’s state run PDVSA energy production. A collateral system where Beijing takes oil as payment for prior loans the Maduro regime cannot pay back. With the crippling treasury department sanctions President Trump put on Venezuela last year, Trump has punched Maduro and Xi-Jinping hard.
Motive ? Maybe.
The evidence is that Soros has a long and desperate history of supporting democrat/leftwing causes. He's a billionaire philanthropist - who uses his money to get leftists elected.
"Desperate?" What does that even mean?
Otherwise, your compelling statement of your case convinces me: Soros must be the bastard who done the dastard(ly) deed! Why hasn't he been slapped in manacles already?!
I consider that to be a lie. You are lying about what you believe.
Alright you guys. Steve knows and has been there and took pictures of the mommies and their babies.
You'd better watch out. Steve has the proof !
I was quoting and replying to Dickin' Bimbos in my 11:01 AM comment, but I forgot the quote marks and italicization to indicate I was quoting.
Hey, if Russia sponsored the NRA, then Soros sponsored the caravan.
The timing for a "right wing nutjob to blame" is just a little too perfect.
Not that is isn't a right wing nut job, but I question the timing.
Soros spends money like a desperate crazed fool each time an American election rounds the corner, Cook. You know this.
I'm assuming these "bombs" are a false flag operation, note none went off. A desperate Oct surprise. Bombings are not a Republican MO, they are of the Left and Democrats. Of course the probable suspected actors wanting these three people dead are global.
Indeed.
The "Russia sponsored the NRA" meme - was that pushed by "journalists" in the media? Why, I think it was.
Thousands of miles? Where does that come from?
The caravan was organized in San Pedro Sula, Honduras on October 14 and refugees entered Ciudad Hidalgo, Chiapas, Mexico over the weekend. I made a map.
Also worth keeping in mind: Refugees were fleeing Honduras before the caravan was technically organized. Refugees entering Mexico today are not necessarily the same as those that left San Pedro Sula 10 days ago as the number of refugees has fluctuated a lot.
Uhr - Both Pence and Trump are speculating.
Oh I forgot - only the democrat hack press can speculate.
Hey - how dare Trump and Pence speculate.
Democrat hack press POUNCE in unison.
"Soros spends money like a desperate crazed fool each time an American election rounds the corner, Cook. You know this."
As with every or nearly every wealthy person or entity, Soros spends money hoping to influence policies and achieve social ends he wants to see realized. Is this "desperate" (or "crazed")?
"CNN has learned another suspicious package with a device addressed to the White House was intercepted at Joint Base Bolling in Washington, DC. According to a law enforcement official, the device was similar to one sent to Soros home, and to homes of Clintons and Obamas."
Russia? China? Muslims? Bill Ayers?
Henry- shall we make a wager that the caravan (one of them at least) makes it to the US border in time for the election?
Wait. How is "also one was sent to Trump," not part of the lead of this story?
All I know is that, at least now, we'll all be on the same page about political violence again. You'd hope we'd ALWAYS be on the "anti-political violence" side, but, hey, what a world.
Mac McConnell..I would go with Bill Ayers, but the Weather Underground bombs went off...and killed people. These seem to be duds.
Robert Cook said...
"I agree. A bomb in a mailbox smells funny."
"Especially after it goes off!"
Well, no, Cookie. What smells funny is when there are several of them, and they don't go off. See, this is complicated, but bear with me. Suppose I wanted to make it look like violent Right-Wing Fascist Criminals were trying to kill me, but the Right-Wing Fascist Criminals would not play along? Well, I could just plant a bomb in my own mailbox! Yeah! My own!. And then blame it on those RWFCs. But if I were going to do that, I would want to use a special kind of bomb that didn't go off. Think about it, you'll get it.
Of course, it would be a lot more convincing if one did go off. if I were a prominent but no longer particularly useful Democrat, of which I can think of several, I might be a bit worried.
Seeing as another was on its way to the White House, crazy person (politics unknown) makes a bit more sense than false flag at the moment.
It's one thing to send a fake to yourself, you could decline prosecution or whatever, to get in the way of a false flag being spotted. But... you're not stopping an investigation into who sent a bomb to the White House.
"As with every or nearly every wealthy person or entity, Soros spends money hoping to influence policies and achieve social ends he wants to see realized."
Yes and open borders is one of his policy goals. We are to believe that Soros while dumps tons of cash into his socialist European NGOs supporting open borders he has sworn off the Western Hemisphere.
@DB@H -- I added Tijuana to the map. That literally is thousands of miles.
Based on past caravans, some portion of the refugees will eventually make it to the US-Mexico border. Some people currently in Ciudad Hidalgo may well get bus or truck transport and get to the border before the election. Some may hitchhike. That would be a small number.
Given that there are refugees already at the border, and refugees in-between, and human-traffickers doing their thing, it's pretty much a game of speculation.
They are reporting that one wasn't sent to the WH now....http://news.trust.org/item/20181024144501-jed6f
None of these "bombs" went off, where they really bombs or just a hoax? If it's a hoax and fake news I blame CNN's Jim Acosta. He along with CNN is desperately trying to remain relevant. Did any other news agencies receive "bombs"?
So, "explosives at Clinton house" has been walked back to "suspicious package near."
I think we should hold on a bit longer until we get the complete story before theorizing any more.
Considering the ineptness of the bombs, I give it about 50% probability that the "bombs" were sent by a Lefty in a false flag operation. I think it likely we will find out the "who" within a couple of days- it is hard to mail something these days without showing up on camera somewhere.
... Wasserman-Schulz's return address used on the packages.
That's... a unique kind of evil.
wendybar said...
Mac McConnell..I would go with Bill Ayers, but the Weather Underground bombs went off...and killed people. These seem to be duds.”
Please, you’re giving Ayers way too much credit. The exploding bombs killed his own people, his own girlfriend (or ex by that time, can’t remember.)
Is this "desperate" (or "crazed")?
$38 million to Beto in one quarter is getting pretty close.
Inga, don't check the mail today!!!!
I must apologize to Mr Soros, Bette Midler says Donald trump is financing the "Caravan".
Let’s not EVER hear about leftist violence again.
“Inga, don't check the mail today!!!!”
You think it’s funny? I’m a mere blog commenter, but if people like you take notice of my commentary...then who knows?
It is curious that not one single bomb actualy went off.
"Let’s not EVER hear about leftist violence again."
-- Why not? If there's violence in the future, you don't get to buy off by previous violence. Or we wouldn't be talking about this, because of the Scalise or the 3 Oct 18 ricin attacks.
Like one of Pavlov's dogs, the media provides the stimulus, and Inga is here barking.
There is far more evidence that Soros is behind influencing elections than Russia.
Lets not ever hear about the leftwing nutjob who shot Steven Scalese - ever again.
I would have thought that shooting up a softball practice because Krugman, FALSELY, since he ignored actual research on the subject, accused Republicans of mass murder by denial of health care would lead to , I don't know...
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
Let’s not EVER hear about righty violence again FIFY.
IF not for the fake hate crimes, would there be any? That's where I see these explosive devices fitting.
But, here's a question: Does this count as terrorism? Serious question.
The FBI considered the Scalise shooting not terrorism, recall.
I don't think any of these devices were actual bombs. The only explosives I have seen confirmed in any of these stories are the ones the bomb squads themselves have used to detonate the packages. I want to see the actual evidence these aren't just hoaxes flat out- in other words, that they aren't just pipes with end caps filled with dirt. It would be the equivalent of the envelopes filled with flour being mailed these days.
Huh. The CNN bomb was addressed to Brennan, who is at MSNBC. So... that's a curious mistake.
Don't worry Inga, if somehow we got stuck in an elevator together, and figured out who each other was, all I would do is point out that you were so confident of a Hillary victory ("Keep hope alive!") that you voted for Jill Stein in a close state that went for Trump.
“Lets not ever hear about the leftwing nutjob who shot Steven Scalese - ever again.”
Heather Heyer is still dead, BTW.
Ace has a tweet showing the device to Brennan/CNN (CNN/ABC have it too, I think.)
Can't tell much from the picture, of course.
"all I would do is point out that you were so confident of a Hillary victory ("Keep hope alive!") that you voted for Jill Stein in a close state that went for Trump."
Terrorist!!!!
I'm just glad it seems authorities are taken this seriously. It's another strike against the "fascist Trump" lie, because, just so you know, fascists don't go out of their way to protect political enemies.
The left is kind of pushing their luck by saying things like "but was anyone bothered at dinner?"
They'll ignore the attempted murder of Scalise and assault on Paul, as well as the years of violent attacks on Trump rallies/supporters and antifa/antifa-lite using violent, heckler vetoes on Shapiro and others.
This is why the right, I think, thinks this is a false flag (I don't; I think "Crazy" is the most likely reason). Because *the left is universally just treating this as though they scored points and not like people could have been killed.*
The Russians. That's the ticket! It's the Russians!
Inga -
I doubt that idiot in the car was trying to kill anyone, Inga. She was not his specific target and you know it.
The point made here that you are tying to blur is that the media more than smothered us with the Heather Heyer story - with layers and layers of guilt trips blaming anyone in the orbit who had nothing to do with one crazy driver.
It was a festival of media driven "Anyone not a democrat must be a white supremacist" crapola.
And that is the point - Inga. The media dropped the Steve Scalise story like it never happened.
The leftwing nut job who tried to kill Scalice was targeting as many Congressional leaders as he could. He showed up with per-meditated crazy leftwing intent.
or - a big yawn for you leftists.
@ Matthew
They'll ignore the attempted murder of Scalise and assault on Paul, as well as the years of violent attacks on Trump rallies/supporters and antifa/antifa-lite using violent, heckler vetoes on Shapiro and others.
This is why the right, I think, thinks this is a false flag (I don't; I think "Crazy" is the most likely reason). Because *the left is universally just treating this as though they scored points and not like people could have been killed.*
Also - the October surprise timing. Noted.
It’s pretty amazing the level of sarcasm that is being seen here on these threads. I can only imagine if these devices were being sent to conservative public figures. Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
Inga: Ricin WAS sent to people on the right, not that long ago. Earlier this month. For the most part... the left responded by ramping up the rhetoric and making excuses for harassing public officials.
People aren't treating the mail bombs seriously because, for a year or so now, the left has downplayed violent attacks on conservatives and the like -- and so the new rule is that public officials are allowed to be harassed and attacked. People who called the Congressional Baseball shooting terrorism *were mocked* by the left.
The people on the right saying it is a false flag are, I think, setting themselves up to be wrong -- it is probably a flat out crazy person like a lot of political violence. But, the left's rhetoric is why the right is responding in kind.
The caravan, of course, is a joke. No way will they make it to the border. Too far. Like the last one it will Peter out without fanfare. And Republicans are smart enough to have had the caravan underway six or eight weeks ago when there was a chance to actually walk that distance. The caravan will have to cover over 100 miles a day to make it by election time. No possible way.
I can only imagine if these devices were being sent to conservative public figures. Seriously, what is wrong with you people?
Years of ignoring - or excusing - worse violence from your fellow, left-wing thugs and you have the balls to ask what's wrong with us?
White Nationalists and Antifa are two sides of the same coin.
When they both show up to fight it's the radical nasty v. the radical nasty.
Problem is that leftists think Antifa are fine and dandy. Wearing black masks to shield their identity and using baseball bats to smash property - why that's all just fighting to good leftwing fight.
Heather Heyer? Inga, you spelled her name wrong. It's "Horst Wessel" i.e. the eternal excuse for socialists everywhere to be violent and murderous forever more. Just like you excuse all acts of Democrat violence.. "But but Horst Wessel, errrr Heather Heyer! That means we leftists can be as violent as we want, forevermore!"
Here is what you would be writing if the devices had been sent to conservatives, Inga:
.....................
It is the same thing I have seen you write about conservatives being harassed and threatened in public settings during their private activities. If it turns out that the person sending these "bombs" turns out to be a leftist perpetrating a hoax, what will you say then?
We on the right tend to view these things as hoaxes because, more often than not, such things turn out to be exactly that- false flags, and that applies to both sides of the coin. We at least take the thought seriously rather than run around with our heads cut off.
I've gotten to the point, unfortunately, that I consider the media to be unreliable. I am quite certain that many reporters would blatantly lie to me to push whatever cause they support, and I am quite certain that many reporters are so bad at their jobs that listening to them is actually worse than ignorance. Their trustworthiness is now roughly at the same level as politicians. Actually, I probably trust politicians more.
I suppose I should state the obvious: do not send bombs to anyone, ever.
"heir trustworthiness is now roughly at the same level as politicians. Actually, I probably trust politicians more."
-- Well, I mean, politicians can be bought and are somewhat able to be held accountable.
Known plagiarists are still employed by several news companies.
Not too long ago, in a rural town not far from me, a leftist gay person made some shocking accusations: He had been targeted by conservative bigots who literally held him down and carved anti-gay slurs into his forehead. And there they were, the carved words in his forehead!
Shock! Outrageous! Evil, evil conservatives!
Two weeks later, after diligent police work, the culprit what done the dirty deed was found! It was.... drum roll, please..... the very leftist gay person, who carved the words in his own head so he could blame conservatives. He admitted he had done it.
These bombs didn't go off, didn't hurt anyone, yet Inga's here saying that no one can ever complain about leftist violence ever again, and Republicans are all evil monsters, etc etc etc. Why on earth should anyone believe that Republicans or conservatives sent these, when the vast majority of alleged "conservative" attacks, racist things, etc have been hoaxes and leftists making it up? Democrats commit 100% of the violence against Republicans. And they commit about 80% of the violence against Democrats and blame it on Republicans, until they are found out. This sure sounds like part of that 80%.
Even if it isn't a Democrat false flag thing, the left has supported political violence for so long with such enthusiasm how can any of them complain if it starts going back in their direction? Soldiers shooting at an enemy cannot complain if they start shooting back. Only leftists seem to think that the rules are "We get to beat and mob and be violent all we want, and Republicans only get to be targets and can never, ever fight back!"
Matthew Sablan said...
Ace has a tweet showing the device to Brennan/CNN (CNN/ABC have it too, I think.)
Can't tell much from the picture, of course.
I can tell this much from the picture.
It's a fake explosive device. Wire going in both ends. Gonna need one helluva DC or AC current to get any kind of heat needed to explode anything, and there isn't enough battery power in that getup to get that kind of current. That and current would follow the path of least resistance- head straight to the walls of the iron pipe and flow through it. If there were an actual detonator or fuse, the wires would be going in the same end.
Looks like it was built by clock boy.
Breaking news just now...
DNA from at least one of the suspicious mail packages belongs to someone who may have between 1/64 and 1/1024 Native American (or possibly Mexican or Peruvian) heritage.
Vance - that is why we are suspicious. The timing & the fact that this is right inside the leftwing wheelhouse playbook of false flag dirty tricks.
As to the "false flag" talk, I think that would be very dependent on whether these are actual bombs or not. Real bombs are going to be a loon of indeterminate political persuasion. Fake bombs could go either way.
We'll know when they catch the perp(s) whether it was a false flag "Reichstag Fire" kind of thing or not. But it's interesting that none of the devices have exploded.
Well, this is interesting:
"Meanwhile, the focus turned to Florida as reports said the Florida building housing the office of Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, former Democratic Party chairwoman, was evacuated over a suspicious package.
One source told Fox News that all the packages in question had a return address affiliated with that office. CNN reported that one package sent to ex-Attorney General Eric Holder under the wrong address was returned to Schultz’ office due to that return label – reportedly, this package was found at her office."
The person who sent these is going to get caught- count on it. We will likely know the political leanings of the person by Friday.
Dems and Corrupt Liberal Media are going to be sorely disappointed. It's a head-fake to get the caravan off the front pages. "Bomber" will be a lefty.
The simple fact this much effort went into it makes me think false flag is a hard sell. This isn't just tweeting "At least the toaster remains loyal."
This is a crazy amount of effort. Emphasis on crazy.
For me, the fact that none of them exploded tells me that they are all fake bombs, not real ones. Their being fake raises the probability that the sender is doing it as a false flag- the story and the resulting hysteria is the purpose. If the packages are real bombs, then that probability of it being a false flag is lowered because the purpose would then to actually harm the addressees. Either motive is political, but in opposite directions.
It gave Hillary a chance to change her talking point from "No civility until we win" to "we must come together." cliche'.
Everyone is real impressed.
Yancey Ward said...
The person who sent these is going to get caught- count on it. We will likely know the political leanings of the person by Friday.
Unless whoever did it gets the full Christine Blaisey Ford social media scrub before they are arrested.
The media reported that the Soros bomb was exploded by officials on his property.
How odd?.
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