But the bigger problem is that Kavanaugh can only say he has no memory of something. And Kavanaugh's accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, is telling us that he was very drunk, so maybe a failure to remember could be attributed to drinking. He could honestly testify to no memory of the incident, but still need to establish that he didn't have a memory blanked out by alcohol use. Now, since we're not going to hear of the specific time and place of the incident, Kavanaugh will need to say that he never, in that entire period, experienced alcohol-induced amnesia. (And what if he can only say I have no memory of losing my memory?!).
If Kavanaugh denies ever experiencing alcohol-induced amnesia during that period, anyone who hung out with him back then is a potential source of testimony that they saw him drunk and, especially damning, they had reason to know that he couldn't remember what he had done. Is there anybody who knew Kavanaugh in high school who has tales of things Kavanaugh couldn't remember later? Did Kavanaugh ever have a discussion with anyone about alcohol-induced amnesia?
Once we get this far, you can see that whether Christine Blasey Ford's story is accurate or not, Monday's hearing can be used to trap Kavanaugh in lies, and then it's not a possible attempted rape from 30 years ago but perjury in the present.
Remember, the other person in the room, according to Ford, was Mark Judge, and Mark Judge seems inclined to corroborate Kavanaugh, but Judge is on record as a having been "completely annihilated" in high school. I'm reading that in HuffPo:
But Mark Judge, now a writer and filmmaker, wrote [a] memoir two decades ago... Wasted: Tales of a GenX Drunk, of getting drunk his first time at age 14, binge drinking at teen parties and a struggle with alcoholism. His “immersion” into alcohol began the end of his sophomore year during a typical annual “beach week,” when Catholic high school students headed to the shore after school was out. “Now I had an opportunity to make some headway [with girls]. Most of the time everyone, including the girls, was drunk. If you could breathe and walk at the same time, you could hook up,” he wrote.But Ford said Judge was extremely drunk, so how good is the inference that it didn't happen? It's also possible that Judge had one of his admitted episodes of alcohol-induced amnesia. You can use Judge's statement in whatever way you think is correct (and nothing stops you from using it to support the conclusion you like). On its surface it corroborates Kavanaugh's lack of memory, but it also can support an alcohol-induced amnesia theory.
His drinking became so extreme that he had blackout episodes, and woke up on the floor of a restaurant bathroom with no memory of how he got there. Once “I had the first beer, I found it impossible to stop until I was completely annihilated,” he wrote.
Judge said last week he had no memory of the incident described by Kavanaugh’s accuser.
If you want to go further down into this dark place, here's some more from that HuffPo article:
Judge’s book changes the name of his high school to “Loyola Prep,” and makes a glancing reference at a character he calls “Bart O’Kavanaugh.” A girl at a party, wrote Judge, asked him: “Do you know Bart O’Kavanaugh? I heard he puked in someone’s car the other night.” Judge responds: “Yeah he passed out on his way back from a party.”
In his 2005 book God and Man at Georgetown Prep, Judge slammed his high school and the “insane liberalism” of Catholicism in the 1960s. He said the school was “overrun” by gay priests — part of the church’s “lavender mafia,” he later wrote in The Daily Caller — and was infused with alcohol.
“Only a person in denial still claims that something did not go terribly wrong in the Church after the 1960s, and that more often than not that thing was homosexual priests molesting teenage boys,“Judge wrote in the The Daily Caller in 2011. “My own take is that it had less to do with homosexuality than with the feverish libertinism of the 60s. Liberals have no interest in connecting the dots from liberalism to sexual abuse.... I’m guilty as well, at least of the bouts of dehumanizing lust that is part of the fallen world and being human ... we all have that monster to some extent.”
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The only solution is to be gay. Like out there gay. Good news is that he can still have sex with women, just pretend he doesn't like it.
It would depend on what is true. If it's true that he never drank to excess or at least never experience memory loss, then he can say that and avoid the problem. If it's not true and he says that, could other people contradict him?
Respectfully, How do you prove that he experienced memory loss from drinking? That's a self assessment. "Doctor, I've been experiencing memory loss after drinking, I have a problem"
While people may accuse others of being blackout drunk, they don't actually know. I suspect a lot of "You got so drunk last night you probably don't remember what you did" is rather an excuse for other people to grant forgiveness to a friend for being an ass.
He'll never be legitimately accused of perjury. And Kavenaugh is too smart to answer that question with an actual yes or no answer.
According to Wiki:
Of the the 20 answers inside a standard Magic 8-Ball ten of the possible answers are affirmative, while five are non-committal, and five are negative:
● It is certain.
● It is decidedly so.
● Without a doubt.
● Yes - definitely.
● You may rely on it.
● As I see it, yes.
● Most likely.
● Outlook good.
● Yes.
● Signs point to yes.
● Reply hazy, try again
● Ask again later.
● Better not tell you now.
● Cannot predict now.
● Concentrate and ask again.
● Don't count on it.
● My reply is no.
● My sources say no.
● Outlook not so good.
● Very doubtful.
Picture them written on consecutive cue-cards: Subterranean Magic 8-Ball Blues.
I hope that clarifies things.
I am Laslo.
I'm surprised we don't have video of Ford yet. CNN keeps showing a grainy vacation picture of her wearing sunglasses of all things.
I'm beginning to agree we won't see her testify on Monday at all.
1. Her social media presence was scrubbed. Scrubbed so well that CNN is having a problem finding an actual picture of her? That means that there was something beneficial to scrub. If she shows it will come out. Left wing politics or otherwise.
2. It was sat on. As someone pointed out this is a last ditch effort. Why not bring it up earlier? Kavenaugh opponents had all this info in July. Yet it only comes out 2 days before the vote?
3. The demands from democrats today aren't for an Anita Hill show trial, even though the media is truly wishing for one. Instead they are asking for an FBI investigation.
4. One of the media stories yesterday was about how alumna of the high school Ford attended are standing with her. The woman they quoted in the story was a graduate from 2005! They only backers they can find after 2 months of knowing about this are people she doesn't even know?
Given the above, this is really about 1 thing. Giving the red state democrats (Tester, McCaskill, Manchin, et. al) cover for voting against the confirmation, and then to run against the republicans for being anti #MeToo, with a hope of flipping the Senate.
If she doesn't show, he gets confirmed. I expect the democrats will try to have anybody else testify but her, but in the end without her, this goes nowhere and the vote happens. Soon.
If she shows (and possibly cries), it becomes he said, she said, and it's 50/50 that he gets confirmed. If he doesn't get confirmed, the House and Senate remain republican.
I suspect that there's a calculus going on in the democratic party about how far they want to take this. This is why she hasn't agreed to testify as of yet. They recognize that they may be trading a SCOTUS seat, but at the expense of their jobs.
This is also definitely battlespace prep for RBG's seat if and when it becomes vacant.
Some people are assuming I’m hping Kavanaugh loses. You are misreading. I have simply become detached.
... from reality?
But seriously... if this tactic of going after people -- specifically Republican/conservative people, since Dems always get a pass on their past indiscretions-- based on what they may or may not have done as minors, doesn't piss you off, then you're part of the problem. The farce that the conformation process has become will just get worse until sensible people make it clear that they've had enough.
#Walkaway
@Crack Emcee - everyone may be despicable but the socialists ran the death camps and the slave-holders were Democrats. Study on that one.
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🚨BREAKING: According to sources Diane Feinstein's reluctance to mention the Kavanaugh accuser's letter during confirmation session is because the accuser sent a similiar letter directed at Judge Gorsuch last year. The whereabouts of the earlier letter remain a mystery.developing
The only difference between now and 1991 with Thomas is social media and the Senate has a greater proportion of kooks.
While Ted Kennedy was voting no on Clarence Thomas he was gearing up to testify at his nephew’s rape trial in Florida. Teddy and his nephew had been out drinking and a young lady came back to their house. Teddy passed out and his nephew raped the woman. Then Teddy testified st the trial and smears her.
W and Obama were at Teddy’s funeral.
Most of these people are scum. At least Teddy is dead. So there has been some progress.
Obama’s daughter interned for Harvey Weinstein. Obama knew Harvey wouldn’t touch her and didn’t care that he raped other women. He gave Obama money and Hollywood connections and gave his daughter a job. That’s all that matters
It is funny that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh went to the same high school. So did Barry Bonds and Tom Brady.
What the democrats are doing shows how desperately weak they are. This is the very best they can do, some meaningless pyrrhic victory that will be answered by an even worse behavior when the republicans have a chance. I don't buy that republicans will always be pussies either. A different trump like republican will be rewarded in the primary and the polls and then we are back in the trenches again. More than a few democrat bodies will be floating in the stream 5 years from now. I don't expect a party that allowed Harry Reid to tear up the rules to understand this.
Okay Ann answered my first question. But she didn't answer my second question -do you know katz and did you have any dealings with katz?
Both Gorsuch’s mom and Kavanaugh’s mom had solid careers. They are the first generation of boys whose moms were in the workplace in larger numbers.
This isn’t something the media has discussed because it really hurts their narratives.
What if he has become black out drunk and never assaulted anyone?
What if she has become black out drunk and falsely accuses people of assault?
In the situation Althouse has set up here, he would be more punished even though he is the innocent one. Is that how we roll now? We don't want anyone on SCOTUS who drank a lot in high school and had the nerve to grow into a conservative?
I fear Diane Feinstein isn't well and someone is taking advantage of her.
Althouse: It's fine that you're able to point out the shitty gotcha tactics of the left, but are you ok with them? If not, then speak out against these tactics. Otherwise be prepared to be ruled by the overly virtuous types you claim to distrust.
You don't want goody-goody candidates, but a process with an aim towards disqualifying people based on accusations from over 30 years in the past means that only people who have never learned from past mistakes will apply.
I think the Republicans need to attack the Democrats in the same way they are attacking the nominee.
Where is the Senator who would reference Senator Spartacus down low use of rent boys as a closeted gay American like his former governor? Where is the Senator who will ask Kameltoe Harris about her time as Willie Brown's side piece and the rumor of the group sex parties she indulge in during those years?
It's time to be as dirty as they are and stop with the Washington Generals routine.
Once when I was twenty I had a black-out episode drinking and phoned a friend from the party. Don't remember the conversation but her account of it rang true. And I think our friendship ended at that point. It may have involved my being with her BF. :-(
Oh and as far as Cocaine Mitch scuttling the nomination the God Emperor has to call him in and read him the riot act. We know his chinky wife was the one that wrote that Op Ed piece claiming she was saving the country from the crazy President. The God Emperor should tell Mitch that if he doesn't stay in line he will name her Ambassador to Benghazi.
Wait. Mitch might go for that. He can always find himself a new Soon Yi from Column B on Tinder.
Sen. Feinstein: Judge Kavanaugh, have you ever been so drunk you could not remember what happened?
Kavanaugh: I don't remember ever being that drunk.
Feinstein produces a witness, Mr. Leftideepockets, who says he remembers Kavanaugh remembering being so drunk he could not remember what happened.
Sen. Grassley Mr. Leftideeppockets, have you ever been so drunk you could not remember what happened?
According to sources Diane Feinstein's reluctance to mention the Kavanaugh accuser's letter during confirmation session is because the accuser sent a similiar letter directed at Judge Gorsuch last year. The whereabouts of the earlier letter remain a mystery.developing
If true, more evidence for why she wouldn't appear on Monday.
At this point it's better for Democrats if she doesn't appear. Shes' everywoman. When she appears she's a known. A face. Something to have flaws discovered about.
Nope, she's not going to appear.
I'm sorry, but there is just not enough in the accusation to 'convict' the man. She cannot remember the place or time, and the other person named says he doesn't remember anything like that happening and that the accusation is out of character for the guy he knew at the time. There are no other accusers - so no pattern of behavior. He's lived an exemplary life since that time.
So, absent any new information, there is nothing more to be said.
Trump won’t pull the nomination. That’s a pussy move like W.
It’s up to Kavanaugh to withdraw if the votes aren’t there if he wants. He’d be a pussy to withdraw. McConnell is a non entity to Trump. If Kavanaugh gets voted down then he’s a talking point in the fall rallies against the Dems. Might actually improve turnout again st Manchin, Donnelley, Heitkamp, McCaskill, and Nelson. Also would solidify Tennessee for Blackburn.
Trump will use this to his advantage either way. If the GOP loses the Senate then McConnell will retire along with people like Collins and Murkowski. The Senate won’t matter then. It will be Trump vetoing bills and using the best pen and the best phone.
There is nothing to convict. The Demsjust need a few No votes. Make them vote and then the GOP can make an issue out of it in the fall campaign.
And the GOP needs to go find some accusers against their enemies. They got Franken to quit. Find 50 more. They can go after the husbands and sons of some female politicians as well. Play the Game. Start with Beto.
Kavanaugh can't withdraw without the public being convicted in the court of public opinion.
Republican operatives should go out an find people who will testify against every Democrat on the Committee.
A rent boy who was stiffed by Corey Booker.
A vet who lost his benefits to Stolen Valor Blumenthal.
A family from Chicago who had a kid shot while Dicky Durbin did nothing to stop the violence.
A homeless person who didn't get to shit on Diane Feinstein's sidewalk.
The 506 people who got herpes from Kamal Toe Harris when she was in those orgies.
I bet there is bunch of stuff we can get on these assholes that is just as valid as this crazy professor bitch has on the Judge. We just need to be creative.
While Ted Kennedy was voting no on Clarence Thomas he was gearing up to testify at his nephew’s rape trial in Florida. Teddy and his nephew had been out drinking and a young lady came back to their house. Teddy passed out and his nephew raped the woman. Then Teddy testified st the trial and smears her.
Yes, the double standard is glaringly obvious to many people. I said this as part of a comment in the last cafe post: ... the double standard ... says democrats can leave women to drown and get a pass. Ironically for the Democrats this double standard is the reason why we got Trump. Dems really need to rethink their tactics because the fact that "grab them by the pussy" Trump won is proof that average Americans -- which includes many women-- are increasingly sick of their shit.
anne Gorsuch was thrown to the wolves, despite not being at fault, it's a lesson the younger Gorsuch learned rather painfully, now mr blasey, has an interesting story, before his foreclosure, he was connected to a prominent dc bank, which had it's shortcomings,
Kavanaugh shouldn’t withdraw. If he withdraws he should resign his seat. There’s no shame in getting voted down. There is shame in not standing up for yourself.
Clarence Thomas stood up for himself. Guy has balls. Most of these people don’t. Clarence Thomas and Trump.
If his memory can't be trust because he was drinking, what about her's? She can't even remember what house or when it happened. She was probably drinking too. Someone tried to grab me in a dark parking lot when I was a teen (about the same time - early 1980's), and I remember when and where. And, in fact, everyone I've ever talking to who'd had similar, scary things happen remember when and where.
Its scary that one person can ruin another person with an old, fault, uncorroborated memory - a memory with no real, verifiable details.
Thomas is now the senior most justice on the Supreme Court. The Clintons are gone. The Bushes are gone. The Obamas are gone.
The only thing this whole circus of a hearing along with this displicitable last minute hit job of a smear has done is to put me in the frame of mind that I would crawl through miles of broken glass to vote against any POS with a D after their name on the ballot in November. All the way down to dogcatcher. Especially that POS Sherrod Brown here in Ohio.
Ford is lying. She’s now changing the story she told her marriage therapist as an excuse for why she’s such a shuttle wife and mom,
Four guys assaukted her in her late teens. Now it’s Kavanaugh and Judge when she was 15.
It was Gorsuch last year.
Could be a very short hearing, for both of them.
Q: Ms. Ford, please tell us what happened?
Ms. Ford: I was at a party and the nominee forced me into a room, he was very drunk at the time, and he got on top of me and accosted me sexually.
Q: Thank you Ms. Ford, I'm so very sorry you had to go through this.
Some time later:
Q: Mr. Kavanaugh you have been accused of sexually assaulting Ms. Ford, what do you have to say for yourself?
Mr. Kavanaugh: I do not know Ms. Ford, have never met her, and categorically deny doing what she claims to her or anyone else, ever.
Q: Thank you Mr. Kavanaugh, you may leave.
Bay Area Guy said... "I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm gonna say this again. I did not have dry humping relations with that woman - Ms. Blasey Ford. I never told anyone to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you"
CORRECTION: And I need to go back to work of overruling Roe v. Wade.
The democrat accusation against Keith Ellison is FAR more credible. 2017 is fresh abuse and she has it backed up.
CNN - where is your intellectual curiosity?
Kieth Ellison is running for Attorney general of MN.
Trump should hold rallies in California urging everyone to vote for Leon, Di Fi’s opponent since there is no Republican on the ballot.
Better yet would be Trump campaigning for DiFi. The left is crazy. You don't talk sensibly to crazy people.
Its scary that one person can ruin another person with an old, fault, uncorroborated memory - a memory with no real, verifiable details.
What's scarier is that there are intelligent people who are so detached that they are not scared by this.
Ann is sure he will vote to overturn Roe v Wade.
I don't think so, but, to quote Kay, the world won't come to an end if it is overturned and the Supreme Court might get back to sanity.
The Roe v Wade decision was the Dredd Scott decision of the 20th century. Abortion was legal in multiple states.
It has poisoned American politics for 50 years.
This is what is going on now with this crazy woman with the recovered memories.
Ann detached - my arse
See her correction at 5:40 pm. Also IMHO Ann knows katz . Both from UW law and both strong feminists.
one of the weirdest rabbit holes lead here:
https://www.salon.com/2012/12/02/better_than_bourne_who_really_killed_nick_deak/
it's about four kevin bacons away removed from miss ford,
CORRECTION: And I need to go back to work of overruling Roe v. Wade.
You are not detached, Althouse.
CORRECTION: And I need to go back to work of overruling Roe v. Wade
Is that an argument? That sounds like an emotional plea.
Besides, I'm not so sure that there is 5 votes to overturn Roe v Wade even with Kavenaugh on the bench. "it's a tax" Roberts would probably want to maintain stare decisis.
Michael K, I’m in AZ CD2 in Tucson too. This bullshit has caused me to get active too for Martinez Peterson (whom I’d never heard of until after the primary, as I voted for someone else), and McSally, who is definitely a rino but infinitely better than the moonbat running against her. McSally was one of the first in the GOP to call for Sessions to recuse himself. The single most moronic decision I’ve seen in politics, so no, I only support her as a last resort, but will work for her. If we lose either side of congress we are screwed, as is the country.
As for Althouse, it’s clear why you never practiced law. You’d be slaughtered in court by an actual lawyer.
Slavery was not overruled then. Diversity is a progressive condition. Selective-child is politically congruent.
Michael K, I’m in AZ CD2 in Tucson too. This bullshit has caused me to get active too for Martinez Peterson (whom I’d never heard of until after the primary, as I voted for someone else), and McSally, who is definitely a rino but infinitely better than the moonbat running against her. McSally was one of the first in the GOP to call for Sessions to recuse himself. The single most moronic decision I’ve seen in politics, so no, I only support her as a last resort, but will work for her. If we lose either side of congress we are screwed, as is the country.
As for Althouse, it’s clear why you never practiced law. You’d be slaughtered in court by an actual lawyer.
Trump stumping for Leon against Feinstein would be great theater. Talk about her billionaire husband who made a shitload off the Chinese while Feinstein was funneling them intelligence through her chauffeur.
China would probably give Trump all the dirt it has on Feinstein and her husband to peel back a few tariffs. They would be the Rosenberg to the Chi Coms.
Maybe seize her mansion in Pacifuc Heights and let the hobos squat in there and shit on her front lawn.
Haven't had a chance to read all of these comments but I wanted more or less to second Mr Judge's observations about the state of the Church in the 60s. He may be a lousy writer or odiously self-serving or etc etc but the quoted parts in AA's post seem correct: particularly about the flourishing of 'feverish libertinism'. Maybe the role of the 'lavender mafia' is overplayed-- to traditional Church folks even a comparatively few openly homosexual clerics (not to mention 'gay' ones) might seem like the Church was being 'overrun'-- but, current events being as scandalous as they are, perhaps not at all.
Also, while I've always belonged to the party that is content, so far as practical politics go, to curtail the so-called 'right' to abortion incrementally, to limit it to X weeks of life, to limit the circumstances etc etc, seeing what they are attempting to do to Judge K. I've reconsidered and now will be politicking (via the limited, more or less ineffectual means at my disposal-- DeFazio, Wyden, Merkley hold sinecures in Oregon's congressional delegation alas) for the overturn of Roe and its progeny altogether. If they want catastrophic political battles, let them accept the consequences. "They hung him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew."
Katz isn’t a feminist. She’s a Dem operative. Go back and watch her shit on Paula Jones and defend Bill Clinton 20 years ago. Jones had good lawyers. They got her an $850,000 settlement from Clinton paid for by his rapist friends in Hollywood like Weinstein.
Women like Katz were apoplectic when Trump showed up to the debate with the Clintons victims.
And I need to go back to work of overruling Roe v. Wade
Why would any rational person oppose that? Why would a Constitutional law professor oppose that? Regardless of your position on abortion, Roe is a travesty and an embarrassment, easily in the top five worst Supreme Court decisions ever. (I'd put Dred Scott first)
The worst thing that would happen if Roe was overturned is that the people would get to decide about abortion. Overturning Roe would not make abortion illegal.
Personally, I think it would be absurd to nominate or vote to confirm any justice that didn't want to overturn Roe.
And I need to go back to work of overruling Roe v. Wade
Jeeze, calm down, guys, she's teasing!
Hmmm:
"Special report just played the clip of Feinstein saying “I can't say that everything is truthful. I don't know." Quote is accurate."
“If he ever got black-out drunk, he's in big trouble.”
I had some similar thoughts. However, the above statement isn't true; it goes too far.
I got black-out drunk twice in my life. Once on my high school graduation party night, and once in college after a grain alcohol party. I knew with certainty the next day that I had gotten black-out drunk. Unless someone says that I attacked them on those two exact occasions, in those cities and on those evenings, I can state with 100% certainty that I didn't attack them while in a blacked-out state.
@mccullough. Yes you would think that if you are a "feminist" you should not defend Clinton, but many and some well known feminist did defend Clinton. I guess women are fickle and not logical :-).
McSally was one of the first in the GOP to call for Sessions to recuse himself.
A lot of people forget how left CD2 is. I'm a volunteer for Lea but it will be tough, absent a red wave, to hold that seat.
McSally is much better than the alternative. I've met her and she is very sharp. Did a run through of the issues in 20 minutes that covered all bases.
Desperation plays are also done when you have little to lose. That's why Hail Mary Passes and onside kicks generally happen in the last minutes of the game.
Unless it’s Saban at bama!
"CORRECTION: And I need to go back to work of overruling Roe v. Wade."
Says detached Althouse.
Showing bad faith even in reporting her own state of mind.
Cuz "women's rights" and "women's bodies."
Hey Dems, when you find time to wipe the tears away about this horrible man's alleged past, just remember that:
Ted Kennedy drunkenly drove a woman into a river, left her to die a slow death, and didn't even call for help.
Bill Clinton had sex with a very young subordinate in the Oval office as President, and lied about it.
Both of them, as well as JFK, LBJ, and FDR, cheated on their wives. All of them did these things as adults in office, not as teenagers in high school, yet and you love them, vote for them, admire them. The devil likes when you swallow.
An open letter to Diane Feinstein(D-Corrupt) about actual rape.
narciso, I knew a guy named Deak in pre-med. I think he was related. That was back in 1961.
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