To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 23, 2018
Rouhani's threat, directed at Trump, came in a speech on Sunday, reported in Al Jazeera:
"Do not play with the lion's tail or else you will regret it.... Peace with Iran would be the mother of all peace and war with Iran would be the mother of all wars."Addressing Trump's sanctions affecting the sale of Iranian oil:
"Is it possible that everyone in the region sells their oil and we stand idly by and watch?... Do not forget that we have maintained the security of this waterway [Strait of Hormuz] throughout history. We have historically secured the route of oil transit. Do not forget it."Addressing U.S. government encouragement of dissent in Iran: "You cannot provoke the Iranian people against their own security and interests."
From the NYT article on the tweet, there's this about a speech by Secretary of State Pompeo earlier in the day:
“Governments around the world worry that confronting the Islamic Republic harms the cause of moderates, but these so-called moderates within the regime are still violent Islamic revolutionaries with an anti-America, anti-West agenda... You only have to take their own words for it.”Meddling. We openly meddle and yet demand not to be meddled with.
Mr. Pompeo also sought to reach out to the people of Iran in his speech and messages posted online. “The United States hears you. The United States supports you. The United States is with you,” he tweeted Sunday in Persian and English.
Mr. Trump’s tough talk with Iran comes as he continues to face fierce criticism over his meeting last week with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and vacillating statements over whether he believes Russia interfered in the 2016 election.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 263 of 263@Michael K:
You rejected my answer in you usual sneering tone. You might think that anyone who doesn't like your tone is childish, but I am not the only one here.
Uhh...this is what I wrote:
"The fertility rate in Iran has been climbing the last several years and will likely be above replacement level soon. The Iranian population exploded after the 1979 revolution, and the government later took steps to reign it in through an extensive family planning program. These programs have all been stopped, including stopping vasectomies and tubal ligations and ending the provision of free condoms to the population. Total fertility rate in Iran was already 1.97 in 2017 and will likely be above replacement level in the next few years.
Also, mosque attendance is a poor proxy for religiosity in Iran. This article does a good job of explaining why that is. There is also this study of Iranian religious views by Pew."
That is a series of pretty straightforward factual assertions. You can agree or disagree with them, but where exactly is the "sneering tone?" Meanwhile, here was your response to the above:
As usual, Farmer is the expert on all topics and there is no use discussing anything with him.
I'm sure you know more about Iran than Goldman but I missed your books on it.
If you are worried about a "sneering tone," you should look in the mirror.
@Sebastian:
The Iraqi state is precisely the reason that troops were withdrawn. Iraqi leaders refused to authorize a SOFA that immunized American troops from Iraqi prosecution. And no responsible US leader would rely on the nascent Iraqi judicial system to fairly try American service members accused of crimes in Iraq.
As for your statement: "Of course, ISIS emerged after we left precipitously. It signaled the Iraqis state's weakness, but the Iraqi mobilization against it, with our help, was fairly effective."
For one, it ignores the role the Syrian Civil War played in ISIS' rise to power. Also, I think it misses a much more fundamental problem. Namely, that Iraq is a pseudo-state encompassing at least three different nations that do not want to coexist within the same political space. I see very little role for the US military in solving that problem.
Drago, I don't know if it's even the content so much as the spastic nature of Chuck's posting. He veers so hard from Hall Monitor to Serious Content Analyzer to calling everyone filthy names that it appears there are three or more Chucks trying to upchuck one an other and vie for supremacy. But his limited skills on his keyboard mask a lot of that struggle. And yet he's just a filthy Trump voter to all those GOPe figures he wishes to be loved by. That's why he dreams of impeachment with every post.
@Farmer:
"The Iraqi state is precisely the reason that troops were withdrawn." Indeed, but irrelevant to my point.
"Iraqi leaders refused to authorize a SOFA that immunized American troops from Iraqi prosecution. And no responsible US leader would rely on the nascent Iraqi judicial system to fairly try American service members accused of crimes in Iraq." Didn't keep us from going back there to fight ISIS without, as far I know, any SOFA.
"As for your statement: "Of course, ISIS emerged after we left precipitously. It signaled the Iraqis state's weakness, but the Iraqi mobilization against it, with our help, was fairly effective." For one, it ignores the role the Syrian Civil War played in ISIS' rise to power." You've said that twice. We can read. Anyway, I didn't "ignore" the role of Syria, I just focused on Iraq, since that was the point at issue--at least my point.
"Also, I think it misses a much more fundamental problem. Namely, that Iraq is a pseudo-state encompassing at least three different nations that do not want to coexist within the same political space. I see very little role for the US military in solving that problem." I get that you don't like the world as it is and American efforts to deal with the world as it is. I know the divisions in the country etc. etc. But the U.S. intervention was both more and less costly than anticipated, did make a difference when troops actively intervened, and left a more capable state than existed at the outset (with some autonomy for the Kurds). Of course, that should not determine policy going forward.
Also, I think it misses a much more fundamental problem. Namely, that Iraq is a pseudo-state encompassing at least three different nations that do not want to coexist within the same political space. I see very little role for the US military in solving that problem."
That describes pretty much most of the countries in the Arab world as well as Iran, turkey, Pakistan and Afghanistan. So far, all things considered, today Iraq is a better place and less troublesome than had it remained under the Saddam Hussein regime.
to quote Meade: " Intolerable Commenter--out!!
@Sebastian:
I think perhaps we may be talking past each other, and I'll take responsibility for that. Let's try to drill down on a single issue.
"Of course, ISIS emerged after we left precipitously..."
Is it your contention that had we not "left precipitously," ISIS would not have emerged? If so, why do you believe that?
@cubanbob:
That describes pretty much most of the countries in the Arab world as well as Iran, turkey, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
And I see very little role for the US military to solve those problems as well. '
So far, all things considered, today Iraq is a better place and less troublesome than had it remained under the Saddam Hussein regime.
We spent trillions of dollars and costs thousands of lives to move Iraq into Iran's orbit, and half the country remains a failed state. Suicide attacks by insurgents are still frequent in Iraq. Earlier this year dozens of people were killed and more than a hundred injured in al-Tayaran Square in Baghdad. ISIS still holds territory in Kirkuk and Diayala.
Farmer, I answered your question about why I thought Iranians might reject Islam, which has provided such grief. You rejected my answer in you usual sneering tone. You might think that anyone who doesn't like your tone is childish, but I am not the only one here.
Disagree.
F answered with more current info. Simple.
Full Moon, Farmer may have had more current information but I was at work with not much internet access and it is difficult to keep researching his assertions. Most of them are without support and I cant be doing research from my ipad.
His responses to cubanbob and Sebastian seem to me to be nice examples of his tone.
You may like it and that is your affair. I don't like discussions with him and will avoid them. I usually do but slipped up that time.
There are plenty people on this blog who are good discussion partners.
For example, now that I have access to searches, here is Iran's population growth since 1979.
Does that look like "Explosive growth after 1979 ?
Similar assertion that mosque attendance is a poor metric for religious sentiment.
Iran’s birthrate reached a peak of 6.4 children per couple after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, which was among the world’s highest at the time. But by 1990 experts were estimating that Iran could be home to 140mn people if the rate was left unchecked, so to combat the rise Ayatollah Ali Khamenei endorsed birth control and the rate dropped rapidly to 1.6 in 2012, with the unofficial figure believed to be less than that in 2016. "
He was right about birth control but there has been no rebound.
Um, he could have just said that we weren't going to stand for their "demented words of violence and death," and it would have been fine. But instead he had to rant on with a bunch of caps-locked bluster and even FullMoon knows not to do that. (Usually).
His responses to cubanbob and Sebastian seem to me to be nice examples of his tone.
You may like it and that is your affair.
Good one doc. Throw out an unsupported accusation expecting a defensive reply.
Reminds me of someone here....let me think... oh, yeah, your buddt PeePee face.
You may like it and that is your affair.
I was at work with not much internet access...
Hence your inability to figure out the latest practice guidelines for not worsening the opioid epidemic.
Do you practice medicine in a back alley? That might be a more common site for certain procedures in the future.
Carping about tone is a pretty wimpy way to to weasel out of addressing content.
@Michael K:
Does that look like "Explosive growth after 1979 ?
Iran's population in 1979 was 37 million. In 2000, it was 65 million. That's more than a 75% increase in 20 years. That would be the equivalent of the US population increasing during the same time period from 225 million to nearly nearly 400 million in 2000. Today Iran's population is over 80 million. That is more than a 115% increase. Had the US experienced similar growth, the American population today would be nearly 500 million.
Similar assertion that mosque attendance is a poor metric for religious sentiment.
Did you read the study I linked to? If so, what about their argument did you object to?
He was right about birth control but there has been no rebound.
According to this data, Iran's total fertility rate in 2017 was 1.97. And then there is this:
And then there is:
"Announcing the results of a research on ‘changes in population status’, Mohammad Jalal Abbasi highlighted that fertility rate has had a growing trend in recent years and that the replacement-level fertility has been achieved."
-Iran’s fertility rate reaches normal levels, December 2017
Mohammad Jalal Abbasi is a professor at University of Tehran in the Department of Demography and is Chair of the Division of Population Research. He is also president of the Asian Population Association.
That is a series of pretty straightforward factual assertions. You can agree or disagree with them, but where exactly is the "sneering tone?"
The facts have failed to defer to his amazing eminence.
I'm sure you know more about Iran than Goldman but I missed your books on it.
If you are worried about a "sneering tone," you should look in the mirror.
Narcissists apparently believe they are incapable of hypocrisy. They think they are superior and correct no matter how wrong or hypocritical they actually are. Besides... books!
OK, an obvious request for this:
The fact that FullMoon's too dumb to detect something called "parody" means that he might be the next Republican moron to fall for the antics of this guy!
One can hope. The next in a long line of satirically challenged Republican morons. That clown car never stops emptying!
Here's the original. I could totally see FullMoron falling for something like that. LOL!
The fact that FullMoon's too dumb to detect something called "parody"..
Umm, sure. Problem is you a doing parody of figment of your imagination..your 'parody' reflects nothing more than you losing control. Not even close to my comments over the last couple of years. Not he first time, nor will it be the last.
Frankly, I consider it a feather in my cap leading you to that rather emotional display, I am feeling slightly guilty about taking advantage...slightly.
par·o·dy
[ˈperədē]
NOUN
an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
Right. Whatever you say, you brilliant Republican!
Roflmao.
Right. Whatever you say, you brilliant Republican!
Roflmao.
Here is an entire fun thread for anyone wanting to see Goofy lose his mind :-)
Check the date on bottom and search Althouse. Well worth the slight trouble it takes.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
You bad to the bone.
SHUT THE FUCK UP, baby cunt-boy. NO ONE cares what you have to say.
Everything you know and live is make-believe.
1/7/18, 10:20 PM
Must be another one of those threads where The Contractor posted and deleted about twenty comments.
Must be another one of those threads where The Contractor posted and deleted about twenty comments.
Check it out. Read your comments. Then, put all those ego defense mechanisms to work defending your descent into insanity.:-)
Of course a high school dropout flunky like FullNoob doesn't understand that bachelor degree majors are not terminal degrees.
"The science behind this program is proven. Children under five also have elevated levels of a pheromone Blink-182, produced by the part of the liver known as the Rita Ora. This allows nerve reflexes to travel along the Cardi B neural pathway, to the Wiz Khalifa, 40% faster saving time and saving lives."
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
My college major was molecular biology, Michael K. Nice try.
Molecular biologist salary
A Molecular Biologist earns an average salary of $57,813 per year. Experience has a moderate effect on income for this job.
On a serious note, PEE PEE tell us about that threesome with those college babes.
Two girls and you, right?
Once again, he deletes and reposts his misunderstanding about college majors as if they were terminal degrees. People who didn't flunk out of high school don't do this, let alone delete and then repost it again, as if that somehow makes the point stronger.
This is why people don't pay him for his opinions, ideas, thoughts or advice. He's a total moron. And if you don't believe it, he'll repost every moronic thing he said all over again!
Spicing up your lack of a sex life with those "ATM" videos again?
Seriously. When's the last time you had sex? I mean, other than that time with your sister.
There's a reason this is a touchy subject for you. You don't have to tell me but shrinks charge more than contractors can afford and it's obvious your wife (the one that you don't even have) is far from satisfied.
Once again, he deletes and reposts his misunderstanding about college majors as if they were terminal degrees.
So, not a molecular biologist? Just say it.
Pharmacist, right?
A second opinion:
Dr Weevil said...
Odd that "what he is capable of" is always so much less than what you are capable of, "Toothless", and that applies to every single person you interact with. Someone criticizes you, you insult them, if they insult you, you go to obscenities, and so on straight down the toilet. It's pathological, and you really need to either (a) seek professional help, or (b) go away. And try to think before you write: a comment section is nothing like an assortment of sexual relationships and your replies to one commenter are nothing like a marriage (though you seem to have difficulty keeping sexual insults out of yours. (I hope that doesn't tell us anything about any of your hypothetical present or former marriages.) It's more like a conversation in a restaurant or a private home, and you're the loud, drunken uncle who ruins Thanksgiving Dinner for everyone else by ranting obscenely about Trump and making sexualized insults about anyone who asks you to tone it down. Was that rude? Not half so rude as the comment I'm replying to.
3//18, PM
Just because you're a high school drop-out doesn't mean you can't still have a life. How long did it take you to look up "terminal degree?"
About as long as it took you to figure out that people can study whatever they want and still out-class, out-earn and out-smart you?
I know clerks at Doggy Style who are more interesting than Full Mooch. With better prospects in life, too.
Just because you were a teenage prostitute doesn't mean you had to marry the first girl you fucked who simply happened to have decent financial advice, Full Noob.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
I take the red pill every day on gender and identity politics. It didn't take me long into college and then the work world to realize that American women hate their bodies and will take that out on American men and that the employers seem to think that protecting this sentiment/behavior is one of their most important missions.
I may not be a conservative but FFS I was never raised to hate my own body (whichever part of it) and was not raised to assume that all women should hate theirs either. These were things I had to learn once leaving the house. And it was all downhill from there.
The only women I date are either not from America or are closet freaks - (the good kind). But then sometimes even the freaks aren't also open about all the other things. But not hating yourself sexually is a good start.
" America" Surprised I missed this before. You are not in America, or American..
Ok. Now I'm not in America.
Full Noob tried to say "Voulez-vous coucher avec moi," and got slapped by a little Mexican dwarf with a unibrow in Tijuana.
Let's remember to deport Melanoma Trump now. Interesting how you hate foreign girls but somehow love Trump. I date American girls, too. But unlike Trump, they don't have to be porno actresses. And I know how to use a condom, too.
Now tell us about your own sex life, Noob. What's the matter? It doesn't extend beyond your family?
You're kind of making yourself obvious by now.
"Once again, he deletes and reposts his misunderstanding about college majors as if they were terminal degrees."
So, not a molecular biologist? Just say it.
Pharmacist, right?
Not a pharmacist either.
Assistant, maybe.
Didn't get that degree, eh?
Surprised I missed this before.
No one else is. You miss something with every comment you obsessively quote after pulling it out of your stalker's cabinet of curiosities.
English must have been the first class you failed. You can't write (or read) for shit. Talk about Americana. Ever learned the language, asshole?
I've heard of "Buy American" but this whole "Date American" kink of yours is really kind of weird. Is it like when Hitler was worried that enough people weren't dating German girls or something?
You are the weirdest motherfucker on the planet. And yes, I mean that literally. I'm convinced that incest was a regular thing for you, growing up. You just couldn't get married early enough, could you?
I'm a contractor. That's what I am!
LOL.
Fuck, you're dumb. And boring.
When people tell you to get a life they actually mean it. You should try it sometime.
Go work on yourself for a change. No one's nearly as interested in you as you are in them. For a good reason.
You bring the word "loser" to entirely new levels.
" I date American girls, too. But unlike Trump, they don't have to be porno actresses. And I know how to use a condom, too. "
Oh, have you evolved, like your heroes Hillary and Obama did regarding gay marriage. Good boy.
Condoms? Yep, girls you 'date' but them by the gross.And carry a dozen in their purse. Wipe you down with hand sanitizer before your ten minute 'date' :-)
Not sure what any of that means but hopefully it expanded your horizons beyond your fond memories of childhood incest, being a teen gay for pay and a shotgun marriage at age 19 that couldn't happen soon enough. They do say that the less educated marry the soonest, don't they? And you couldn't finish beyond the 10th grade, so we get it.
"You are the weirdest motherfucker on the planet. And yes, I mean that literally."
Not surprised, considering the sheltered life in a bubble you have led.
Daddy 85, mommy prob 80. Baby boy born when mom 24/25/ Puts you mid fifties, modestly educated, no continuous relationship. No property. Every date requires condom for protection..fascination with homosexual fellatio and anal sex..
All info from your posts.
Goofy,
Dinner time, back in a few.
The only break he takes from me is when he goes to stuff his face with another gourmet tv dinner of hot dogs and Heinekens.
Every date requires condom for protection..
Right. Because you only have to fail a fifth-grade reading level to come up with something that stupid from: "But unlike Trump, they don't have to be porno actresses. And I know how to use a condom, too."
...fascination with homosexual fellatio and anal sex..
Fascination is quite a way to put it, especially coming from a guy like FullMoon who harasses other men on-line with obsessively sexual questions and demands for clarification. Sounds like someone's suffering from a sexual identity/orientation crisis over there. Just because you flunked grade school doesn't mean you have to stay in the closet any more, little guy.
Ritmo appears. McDonalds must have been working over time yesterday.
Farmer, argue with someone else.
In the meantime, check this out:
Less than high school diploma High school graduate, no college Some college or associate’s degree Bachelor’s degree or higher
Average age at first marriage
24.3 24.8 25.5 27.2
Percent still in first marriage
41.4 50.0 52.0 75.1
Percent of first marriages ending in divorce
56.6 48.7 46.3 23.7
Sounds like Noob's in a "marriage of convenience." That's what kids do. But it's not like he'd ever have a meeting of the minds in a partner if only he waited long enough anyway; he's too dumb, and had to get them when they were too young to realize how unattractive his drop-out status was.
McDonalds "works overtime," you say Dr. Butthurt?
Man, that's stupid - even for you. Is it something you found in one of those all-important books you read?
Hey, Dr. Butthurt works at a clinic with no computers, internet or IT so apparently he's jealous to know that his clinic's IT resource infrastructure is even worse than some fast food joints'.
That's what happens when you're too old to practice any medicine other than what's 20 years out of date.
@Michael K:
Farmer, argue with someone else.
This thread is busted now, but if these are areas you are genuinely interested in, you might be interested in what has occurred since Goldman's book was published as well as an in-depth study of Iranian religiosity. The links to the data are still there for your perusal.
(The comment about Trump and condoms had to do with the fact that he has casual sex with porno actresses and Playboy bunnies unprotected, BTW. It's unclear if he does this because he's too stupid to know how to use one or too stupid to realize what a risk he takes by doing that. Apparently the first wall he failed to learn how to build was the STI barrier between his penis and his slag of the month. This is the guy that FullMoon considers to be his hero).
Every date requires condom for protection..
Right. Because you only have to fail a fifth-grade reading level to come up with something that stupid from: "But unlike Trump, they don't have to be porno actresses. And I know how to use a condom, too."
Right. Mull this over,. If you are in a commited relationship condom not needed for protection from STD.
Your 'dates' thinking of the next guy after you.
PEE PEE Rhythm and Balls said... [hush][hide comment]
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So get off your knees, take the K-corporate cock out of your mouth, and take your beating before they put you in your cage.
2015
Telling
For a guy who pretends to be a doctor, Michael Krabapple K. sure seems to know a lot about fast food employment. Interesting.
If you are in a commited relationship condom not needed for protection from STD.
So Trump was in a "committed relationship" with Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal?
And this was at the same time as he was "in a committed relationship" with that Slovenian girl who posed nude... Melanoma? Malena? Melania?
That must be more confusing than FullMoon's youthful experiences as a victim of pedophilia.
No bioligist
No pharmacist
X-ray tech. 55 years old, single, Pays $120/160 per date, dinner and drink not necessary, condoms free.
Does date girls (not women) from America.
Happy go lucky, devil may care, overly generous, introspective, kind and gentle.
Been there, done that, in every respect. Has taken walk on the wildside. Street fighter. Protector of women, children and small animals.
Pee Pee,you da best !
If you are in a commited relationship condom not needed for protection from STD.
So Trump was in a "committed relationship" with Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal?
Maybe he knew they were safe.Don't misunderstand, if I was in your shoes, I be using protection at all times.
Say, you ever have sex with the same girl more than once?
Not with your go-to pro, but a normal girl. You know, like a girl friend or something?
Time for dessert. Back in a few.
sure seems to know a lot about fast food employment. Interesting.
From the front of the counter, not the grill where you practice your science.
This comment thread included Smug, fopdoodle extraordinaire, Ritmo, and Royal ass Inga.
Did anybody have that in the office pool?
Ok, last one, apologies for tormenting little Pee Pee .
Ritmo Brasileiro said...
That's the best camel toe shot I've ever seen in my life.
September 6, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Ritmo Brasileiro said...
That's the best camel toe shot I've ever seen in my life.
September 6, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Ooooh! How damning! What an embarrassing thing to say and for "The Creepy Contractor" to pull out from his file of Statements that Non-Heterosexuals (like himself) Never Hear.
(Life as a Full Moon)
From the front of the counter...
Sure doesn't sound like it, Slick. Nor do I know a lot of so-called physicians who regularly "dine" there as much as you must do.
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