June 22, 2018

"The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together."

Time Magazine adds a correction to its cover story "‘All I Wanted to Do Was Pick Her Up.’ How a Photographer at the U.S.-Mexico Border Made an Image America Could Not Ignore/'This one was tough for me. As soon as it was over, they were put into a van. I had to stop and take deep breaths,' Getty photographer John Moore said."

Time doesn't seem that distraught about its separation from the truth, but I'm assuming that's because it sees its story as fake but accurate.

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Ken B said...

A photoshopped image America could not ignore.

exiledonmainstreet said...

An innocent mistake, I'm sure.

Birkel said...

And an Economist/YouGuv (i.e. Left wing) poll puts support for arresting illegal aliens versus continuing the Obama policy of open borders at roughly 3.25 for to 1 against.

Democrats have found their winning issue against Trump this time. This time for realz.

Sebastian said...

"Time doesn't seem that distraught about its separation from the truth, but I'm assuming that's because it sees its story as fake but accurate."

I'm assuming it's because it's who they are and what they do. News is a tool: anything for the cause. Truth has nothing to do with it. Prog epistemology, like their ethics and linguistics, is entirely situational.

It's prog propaganda all the way down.

Ken B said...

Time spokesman : "I don't care. Do U?"

Jim at said...

So Mary Mapes now works at Tiime?
Good to know.

Birkel said...

All of these stories -- and I mean all the Leftist crap that floods a news cycle -- is leverage in pursuit of power.

There is no higher meaning.

It is about power.

AustinRoth said...

Fake but fake.

Ken B said...

They don't fact check their *cover story*?
Implausible. The first rule of media manipulation is, get your lie out first.

rehajm said...

He had to take deep breaths because he drags his fainting couch everywhere.

Birkel said...

Trump implicitly understands that the only way to negate the MSM power move is to make the press laughable. His attacks on the press are accurate and everybody can observe the truth with their own lying eyes. With every overreaction the MSM removes another set of scales from another set of eyes.

Suddenly it's legitimate to ignore the press and announce your own policy preferences. Attacking the press with tweets is necessary to Trump's tasks.

And the press will not be told to ignore the PURPLE ELEPHANTS. Let's talk about the First Lady's jacket.

Inga said...

So there’s absolutely no possibility that what was described happened to some other migrant and her child? The scenario described could never ever happen? Right.

Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances.

Matthew Sablan said...

The abuse? From 2014 or so. The kids in cages? 2014. The one kid? At a protest as a prop. This photo too. Why do they get so much wrong so consistently in one direction?

Achilles said...

Inga said...
So there’s absolutely no possibility that what was described happened to some other migrant and her child? The scenario described could never ever happen? Right.

Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances.



The deranged amoral piece of shit supports the "fake but accurate" propaganda.

Unexpectedly.

Be the people who want laws enforced are the Nazi's.



mockturtle said...

Pravda was never any more nefarious than is our MSM now. It's embarrassing and it should be ridiculed.

Birkel said...

We have the first defense of "fake but accurate" to consider.
Maybe Lucy Ramirez can help really solidify that argument.

Achilles said...

Inga said...


Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances.


We certainly know it happened during the Obama administration.

The leftist propagandists tried to use those pictures to attack Trump too.

tcrosse said...

Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances.

Possibly with a different President.

Matthew Sablan said...

If it is so common, get a real picture. And we know it happens in places. The mother was a repeat offender and endangered her daughter's life. Surely they can find someone who doesn't make Trump's point for him

Achilles said...

As I said before.

Inga and the leftists will be running away from their actions and behavior of the last couple weeks.

They will pretend they weren't acting like deranged animals.

Just like Russian Collusion.

YoungHegelian said...

Does anyone stop & think about why these kids might be scared around strange men ?

How about the fact that Mexico is about 1800 miles from north to south, which means that if you're Central American you have a to cross 1800 miles filled with very evil people indeed.

If you're Central American, you don't cross into Mexico unless the proper people are paid off. Crossing the whole of Mexico means that a migrant crosses the territories of multiple drug cartels, & moving people through is one of their most lucrative businesses.

And the foot soldiers in these cartels give new meaning to the term "psychopath". An immigrant crosses them in any way, & they'll kill him/her without compunction. The only law is the will of the cartels. Mexican authorities routinely uncover mass graves of Central Americans in Mexico, whole groups where something went wrong & the cartel just murdered them all.

Women & girls are sexually molested along the way. Pretty much all of them. It's not a topic they like to discuss for obvious reasons, but it's true nevertheless. You don't have defenseless women traveling 1800 miles in a country controlled by armed psychopaths without sexual abuse being an accepted perk of the job.

Yeah, I can imagine how a kid who's traveled 1800 miles & has probably witnessed several beatings, screaming matches, hunger, maybe the rape of his mother or sister, & perhaps even a murder, might be one terrified tyke.

There's an awful lot of horror & evil to go around in the story of Mexican/Central American migration to the US. Very little of it happens north of the border.

Inga said...

“The deranged amoral piece of shit supports the "fake but accurate" propaganda.”

Says the guy who just said this a couple of hours ago:

“It very likely will come down to wetwork in the end.The left has really dropped the mask in the last week. They are going to get people killed.

I would like it to be as few little people as possible
. I have a lot of ex-mil friends who were not white and we want them on our side. Some of them were straight up ass kickers and good men.”

Jon Ericson said...

It's OK, Stormy's mouthpiece is gonna help out with more "amnesty" porn.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
“The deranged amoral piece of shit supports the "fake but accurate" propaganda.”

Says the guy who just said this a couple of hours ago:

“It very likely will come down to wetwork in the end.The left has really dropped the mask in the last week. They are going to get people killed.

I would like it to be as few little people as possible. I have a lot of ex-mil friends who were not white and we want them on our side. Some of them were straight up ass kickers and good men.”



I stand by every word.

Your side is violent. It is nasty. It is pushing lies to gain power.

When you start killing people I and my friends will be there to stop you.

Jon Ericson said...

YH vs. the Ingster.
Who ya gonna believe?

Birkel said...

Time magazine lied in all the particulars.
Time magazine lied to hurt the president and help Democrats.
The goal of Time magazine was to acquire power for Leftists.

Time magazine lied because they are greedy for power.
Anybody who supports Time magazine is furthering a lie because they too are greedy.

Inga said...

Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?

Kevin said...

If fake but accurate was good enough then why use that child in the first place?

Get a stock photo of a kid.

No, they picked that kid specifically for maximum emotional effect. And that’s why it didn’t matter to them if the story were untrue.

Maximum emotional effect has been achieved.

exhelodrvr1 said...

"Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances."

Really? Is that your standard now? Sorry, rhetorical question.

Kevin said...

The cover was out yesterday, probably before Melania got on the plane wearing the jacket.

Jon Ericson said...

You should turn off your teevee and think, Inga.
You might be wrong.

Kevin said...

"Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances."

Like how there’s no evidence of Russian collusion but we should impeach anyway.

Jon Ericson said...

What a f'ing waste of time.

Birkel said...

Remember, a majority of Americans support arresting illegal invaders.
3.25:1 is what a Leftist polling firm found.

The Left simply must lie if their greed for power is to be achieved.
This is what grasping for power looks like.
Fake but accurate in hopes of power.

Quaestor said...

We certainly know it happened during the Obama administration.

And Inga had nothing to say about the policy when Obama was implementing it.

She must explain why we should not hold her greet her opinions (i.e. lies) with contempt and derision. But she will not. Instead of an apology, she'll revert to form — jejune insults and copy/pastes from her favorite bullshit propaganda website.

DanTheMan said...

>>So there’s absolutely no possibility that what was described happened to some other migrant and her child?

Do you know what happens *hundreds of times every day* when American women get arrested with their kids in the car, or in the house?

I've arrested women with small kids for drug or traffic offenses. Unless there is a relative VERY close by, the go with another officer to the station and await a social worker.
So, yes, I have taken children away from their mothers. That's one of the downsides of getting arrested. Do you think the kids go with the mom into her jail cell?

And I have done the same with fathers, too.
It's awful for the kids, I agree. And it's awful for the arresting officers, too.

Why should illegal aliens get better treatment than an American mom getting arrested for a revoked driver's license, or having an outstanding warrant? Why do illegal aliens get a special "family jail" that Americans getting arrested do not?

Inga said...

“Your side is violent. It is nasty. It is pushing lies to gain power.

When you start killing people I and my friends will be there to stop you.”
———————————————
Ah, Captain America, it was you, not I, threatening violence against the other “side”. Listen to yourself. If I had said what you’ve said, how you would howl about leftists threatening violence. You are a nutcase.
———————————————-
“It very likely will come down to wetwork in the end.The left has really dropped the mask in the last week. They are going to get people killed.

I would like it to be as few little people as possible. I have a lot of ex-mil friends who were not white and we want them on our side. Some of them were straight up ass kickers and good men.”

Achilles said...

Inga said...
Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?

Now that a republican is president Inga conveniently cares about their plight.

She didn't give 2 shits while Obama was president.

Inga also knows that Democrats purposely lure them to the US with open borders and promises of amnesty so they will be future democrat voters. But leaves that out of course.

Democrats all know the women will be raped on the way up here.

The democrat party is the party of exploitation.

exiledonmainstreet said...


When you start killing people I and my friends will be there to stop you.

6/22/18, 5:28 PM

Inga won't kill anybody. She'll just make excuses for the leftists who do, while condemning any "Trumpist" who fights back.

Inga said...

“You should turn off your teevee and think, Inga.
You might be wrong.”

Hey Jonny, what happened to you blocking me with your handy dandy app? Why did you stop?

Kevin said...

“Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?”

For lifetime citizenship in the US for them and all future descendants?

You think it was worse in 1620 England? The people on the Mayflower largely perished to come to a land with no infrastructure or promise they’d survive the winter.

exiledonmainstreet said...


Why should illegal aliens get better treatment than an American mom getting arrested for a revoked driver's license, or having an outstanding warrant? Why do illegal aliens get a special "family jail" that Americans getting arrested do not?

6/22/18, 5:36 PM

Silly question. Inga doesn't care about Americans.

Gretchen said...

Propaganda.

Re DanTheMan
You are of course 100% correct, American parents who are jailed have kids taken away. The left doesn't really care, and they don't care about immigrant kids, if they did, they would have squawked when Obama did the same things. They just want to bludgeon Republicans.

Matthew Sablan said...

So who at Time is losing their job for screwing up this issue so comically. This is editorially as bad as misspelling the magazine's name.

Kevin said...

Where is the crush of refugees to South America?

If it’s a matter of survival, you get out any direction you can.

This seems quite a bit more ... planned out.

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?

Yes, I do. But, what would you have me do about it?

If it were up to me, I'd tell the governments of Mexico & Central America that they either clean up their acts, or we will invade. If we invade, we then kill the ruling classes & the cartel members. We institute land & legal reform. We then tell the populace that if we catch any functionary taking bribes, he will be tried & if found guilty executed by firing squad in the plaza.

Inga, when you think of invasions in history, don't think of the Mongols, armed soldiers on horseback riding through looting, raping, & pillaging. Think of the Visigoths, who got pushed out by God-only-knows-who, & moved into the Roman Empire from east of the Danube because they simply had no where else to go. Neither side wanted a fight. For the Visigoths, it was move or die. The Romans & the Visigoths finally reach an agreement & ultimately settled a people from east of Hungary into Spain, as far west in Europe as they could put them.

This is by any historical standards an invasion, Inga. The fact that these migrants aren't coming across our borders in tanks & planes doesn't change that fact.

Achilles said...

Angel Mom talks about how she was permanently separated from her son


This is the price of open borders.

It also looks like Trump is going to make immigration the issue in November 2018.

Democrats are going to rue their disgusting actions over the last week.

exiledonmainstreet said...

If immigrants want to come here, let them do it legally.

I have absolutely nothing against anybody who arrives here via legal channels. Those flooding our borders have not.

Merkel - the feckless idiot Inga called the "leader of the free world" - is on very thin ice right now. Italy, Poland, Hungary, Austria and Spain have wised up. So have most Americans.

Jon Ericson said...

horrendous *snerk*

FIDO said...

Blink blink. Of course they lie. Of course they stage photos. Of course they make cars explode and make military forgeries, and lie about the context of a Vietnamese terrorist being shot by a General who caught this guy killing hundreds.

It is what the Left does. They keep doing it. They always do it. It is why they poll far worse than Trump. Because social media now allows them to be caught putting their thumb on the scale of public opinion.

We can't make their liberal corporate masters fire them (Hi Samantha Bee) but we can stop listening to them.

Inga said...

“If it were up to me, I'd tell the governments of Mexico & Central America that they either clean up their acts, or we will invade. If we invade, we then kill the ruling classes & the cartel members. We institute land & legal reform. We then tell the populace that if we catch any functionary taking bribes, he will be tried & if found guilty executed by firing squad in the plaza.”

I could almost agree with you here.

Jon Ericson said...

"Peril" *derp*

Jon Ericson said...

"I and my friends" Boo!

FIDO said...


Democrats all know the women will be raped on the way up here.

Nope. That is a 'value added' cost that the prettier ladies have to pay. But let's encourage more of that because 'Feminism'.


At the end of the day, all their reasons are bullshit: the wall won't break the bank, the economic disruption will be minimized, social programs WILL become more affordable, crime will drop.


They just want more Mexicans in America either because they love Mexicans more, or they hate Americans.


The Good Samaritan gave HIS OWN time and money to fix up that beaten up Jew. He did not pick the pocket of a Pharisee to do so.


exiledonmainstreet said...


Amber Athey

@amber_athey

Angel mom Sabine Durden says Trump saved her from committing suicide after an illegal immigrant killed her only son.

"President Trump coming down that escalator that day and talking about illegal immigration stopped me in my tracks."http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/angel-mom-trump-suicide/ …

But Inga doesn't give a shit about her or her son. Who cares if deplorables are murdered?

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exiledonmainstreet said...

Eleven members of MS-13 have been charged with kidnapping two teenagers, ages 17 and 14, whose bodies were discovered buried in the woods in northern Virginia last year. Authorities claim each of the 11 gang members played some role in the murder of one or both boys.

...

All but one of the eleven men charged are immigrants from El Salvador. NBC 4 Washington reports the names and charges for each of the eleven individuals. Note the gang names of some of these individuals, i.e. "Killer" and "Horror."

tcrosse said...

I'd tell the governments of Mexico & Central America that they either clean up their acts, or we will invade.

This has already been tried.

Achilles said...

Matthew Sablan said...
So who at Time is losing their job for screwing up this issue so comically. This is editorially as bad as misspelling the magazine's name.


Sorry I have to chuckle.

The reporters are just doing what they are told to do.

They did exactly what their globalist owners told them to.

They just aren't used to getting caught doing it.

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

I could almost agree with you here.

Even Trump's wall won't work. The migrant flow will just turn to the sea to get around it. I'm sure that the cartels are already scoping out possible "landing sites" for just such an eventuality.

Just imagine the outrage when vacationers & snowbirds on Padre Island have the bodies of eight year old Guatemalans washing up onto the beach!

America dodged a bullet by the fact that Venezuela fell apart over a period of years & that the currency is so devalued that the cartels won't accept it as payment. Even so, if Venezuela absolutely collapses, we may be looking at an illegal migrant flow of millions. Seriously, the US may end up being begged by Venezuela's neighbors to invade & restore a functional society. Bluntly, we're the country in the world that could forklift the necessary infrastructure into place in a finite time.

Jon Ericson said...

The next Inga comment is gonna be great!
I can just feel it. (she skipped about 10 comments).
Help me Daily Kos, you're my only hope!

Achilles said...

Jon Ericson said...
"I and my friends" Boo!

I will be there.

My friends will be there.

I and my friends will be there.

!!!

FIDO said...

When asked which policy they prefer for how to handle families that are stopped for crossing the border illegally, two-thirds of the 1,500 surveyed said they support detention for lawbreakers and less than 20 percent responded that they support previous presidential administrations’ policy of letting the lawbreakers enter the country with a promise to return for a later court date. The poll was taken June 17-19, at the height of media outrage over the policy.


So 66% of Americans agree with Trump even after pictures of crying children.


When given a choice for how to handle illegal border crossing arrests, some 44 percent of Americans chose “hold families together in family detention centers until an immigration hearing at a later date.” Another 20 percent of U.S. adults chose detention options that would separate families. Only 19 percent chose to return to the policy of allowing people who cross the border illegally to go without detention on the promise they’d return for a court hearing at a later date.


That later is Obama's 'Do Nothing' policy. So 64% of Americans want illegals detained, with or without their children.


This is called 'enforcing the law' as opposed to what Obama did.


The Economist/YouGov poll shows an American electorate fare more serious about border enforcement than what the media conversation would indicate.


They are trying to manipulate the narrative, but Trump exploded that narrative. They also poll worse than Trump, so the idea that they are winning this issue is low, particularly since the meme of 'Obama did it too' really deflates the outrage machine...which is why the press is so viciously attacking it.

Bay Area Guy said...

The Left hysterically careens from one epic tragedy to another, always looking to blame Trump, always trying to "guilt" decent folks into accepting some leftwing policy proposal.

Here's a suggestion. Don't try to smuggle young kids into a country illegally. Then, you won't be separated, dumb-ass. You're not a refugee, and this isn't a war zone, like Europe circa 1946. You're not a displaced person. You've probably been misinformed, so let us inform you - stay with your kids in your own country, and try to make that shithole a little better.

If you fail, then try to apply legally to become an American citizen.

CWJ said...

"So there’s absolutely no possibility that what was described happened to some other migrant and her child? The scenario described could never ever happen? Right.

Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances."

Inga,
This comment finally goaded me to respond. Really? Then why the fake photo. Surely there were plenty of other opportunities to snap a legitimate one. No? So where are all the others. Why the fake photo. On the cover no less. Why the fake photo. Lacrosse players and frat boys rape women. So why do the front paged examples prove fake. Hate crimes are everywhere except those that are front paged prove fake. Cops and white hispanics shoot down black people for no reason, and of all people, Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin are front paged. Even a blind squirrel should find the occasional acorn, but our press with their layers and layers of fact checkers seem utterly incapable of doing so.

FIDO said...
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Inga said...

“Even Trump's wall won't work. The migrant flow will just turn to the sea to get around it. I'm sure that the cartels are already scoping out possible "landing sites" for just such an eventuality.”

I agree with you more here. No wall will stop them, but because are desperate. There will be tunnels too. I picture the Cuban balseros, the Syrian babies washing up on shore.

Jon Ericson said...

Pig. Mud. Enjoy.

Quaestor said...

Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?

Those "home countries" have been shitholes since Spanish colonial times. There have been coups and revolutions. Saviors on white chargers, haughty caudillos, and sandaled revolutionaries have come and gone a thousand times since Cortes, each promising reform and each delivering more oppression and violence. A courageous mind must ask why, why does this cycle of misery and violence endless repeat? The inescapable answer is the culture is diseased. The Spanish crown no longer rules but the heritage of ruthless domination and servile submission persists. Perhaps the European conquerors brought it with them along with smallpox and diphtheria.

Perhaps it was there long before, nourished by warlike native empires. Most likely both, but whatever the origin the fact remains that the peoples of that blighted region are much more motived to gain the involuntary charity of American workers than to reform their homelands. We do not need them. We cannot afford them, not while any citizen is without a job. Americans do not want them. They should not be deceived, but Inga and others of her ilk feel no pity for the pawns they play so ruthlessly.

FIDO said...

And that is why we have a navy and coast guard. They will turn back the refugees just like they do the Cubans who want to leave THEIR shit hole.

But here is the thing that Inga et al all want to ignore: Crawling through a tunnel is HARD and can be obvious.

A boat is slow and has limited capacity. A family of twenty can cross the border in places like they were walking on a picnic.

A wall stops 90% of the influx. A wall can't be turned off with a switch or an executive order. A wall...works. That is why they hate the wall.

So Inga...how much charity work or money do you send to these horrible nations? Yeah, I thought so.

walter said...

Inga! How did that phone call to the FBI go?
Just tell them Achilles is actually killing people.
I mean..people kill people.
It could be true.
Make that call!

Quaestor said...

Inga wrote: I picture the Cuban balseros, the Syrian babies washing up on shore.

With demonic delight.

johnhenry100 said...

Blogger Inga said...

Ah, Captain America, it was you, not I, threatening violence against the other “side”.

Bullshit, Inga. Not even you are stupid enough to believe that. Stupid enough to say it, though. We've grown accustomed to that. The MSM doesn't even try to cover the violence proposed by American fascists. Yeah, yeah, I know. You call yourselves "progressives" but what is the difference between the two? Let's call a spade a spade.

I've heard nothing here from "Captain America" as you derisively call him promoting violence.

What I do hear from him and others like us is that we will not lay down and let you fascists roll over us should you decide to try. I know you don't like the idea of self-defense, especially by deplorables like us, but most of us see nothing wrong with it.

You pretend to want to be a revolutionary but in the end you are too squeamish to actually try.

You know where I live. Let me know if you need help with directions. Come try me if you like.

John Henry

bagoh20 said...

I bet if the kid was wearing a MAGA hat they would have found another subject for their story. They had what they wanted, the truth was not gonna get in their way. If the kid was crying because her dad was putting out cigarettes on her back, they still would have run with it just like they did as Trump's fault, and many would say, "So what? Just don't take her away from her parents."

glenn said...

Time Magazine put me in mind of the young lady who many many years ago f***ed the HS football team and got upset because she couldn’t get a prom date.

Michael K said...

Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?

The fool, as fools often do, either does not know or ignores the fact that 80% of asylum applications are denied as fraudulent.

There are leftist lawyers in swarms coaching these economic migrants on how to lie about things at home.

These people, just like "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," were invited. Obama invited them with fake immigration policies.

The Democrats are trying to imitate the British Labour Party which decided to flood the country with Pakistani immigrants who would vote Labour.

As a result they got Rotherham and are arresting people who fight back, even with sticks, against crime and assaults.

The majority of Americans, outside a few blue enclaves like California and New York City, choose to fight back.

That's where Trump came from and you leftist fools are not going to get your destructive way.

Achilles said...

YoungHegelian said...


Even Trump's wall won't work. The migrant flow will just turn to the sea to get around it. I'm sure that the cartels are already scoping out possible "landing sites" for just such an eventuality.

This argument is based on fallacy. Making something harder increases the cost and the risk and will reduce the flow and volume.

It wont stop all, but it will stop over 90%.

At that point it comes down to VISA overstays. But at least those people can afford airplane tickets.

Gahrie said...

Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?

Inga do you ever consider that things are never going to get better in those shitholes as long as their people come here instead of fixing the shitholes?

Inga said...

“You pretend to want to be a revolutionary but in the end you are too squeamish to actually try.”

Um, no. I don’t want to be a revolutionary, why would I want a revolution? I don’t. I love this country, despite it’s warts and I absolutely see no reason why anyone would be in favor of a revolution. We’ve had a revolution, back in the 1700’s. I think that might be more apropos to Achilles to be wishing for some revolution, upheaval, blood in the streets scenario. I don’t fondly speak of some civil war, “wet work”, “our side”.

Tommy Duncan said...

Blogger Achilles said...

"It also looks like Trump is going to make immigration the issue in November 2018.

Democrats are going to rue their disgusting actions over the last week."


Trump is building a "crawl over broken glass to vote" base.

Over the past week the Democrat/Media cabal has done a nice job of demonstrating why we need to close the border and end the chaos. Mexico and Central America are simply making their unsolvable problems our unsolvable problems.

johnhenry100 said...

Re the separated Mom,

Although Time got the story wrong, the woman really was separated from her children. Just not the one on the cover.

She paid $6,000 to a smuggler and took off one morning without even saying goodbye to her other 2 children or her husband. They had no idea what happened to them, whether they were dead or alive, until he saw the news stories.

He is a captain in Honduras' principal port with a good job, newish car and nice (for the area) house.

What kind of horrible mother is this odious woman who would abandon her children like that?
Story here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5869829/Father-two-year-old-face-child-separation-crisis-speaks-out.html

You keep fucking that chicken, Inga.

John Henry

Inga said...

“The fool...”

There’s no fool like a Trump Cultist.

Browndog said...

All of this-

The crying girl, the images of cages, the wall to wall wailing by the networks, simultaneously.

This wave of angst was planned for months.

What IG report?

Inga said...

“You keep fucking that chicken, Inga.”

Sorry, I don’t approve of sexually assaulting barnyard animals John Henry, but far be it from me to judge you.

johnhenry100 said...

Sheesh, Inga doesn't even try to deny she is a fascist anymore.

John Henry

Quaestor said...

How can Inga and her fellows encourage these miserables to waste their meager substance, risk life and limb, gamble with the health and welfare of their children, to journey through hundreds of miles of jungle and desert, through the domains of drug lords and psychopathic rapists and murderers, to come to the border and become criminals by crossing it? Has she no pity, no conscience? Has venality replaced whatever passed for morality in Inga's soul? Evidently so. But we should not be surprised. El sueño de la razón produce monstruos.

johnhenry100 said...

It's not sexual assault if the chicken consents, Inga.

John Henry

Achilles said...

Inga said...
“You pretend to want to be a revolutionary but in the end you are too squeamish to actually try.”

Um, no. I don’t want to be a revolutionary, why would I want a revolution? I don’t. I love this country, despite it’s warts and I absolutely see no reason why anyone would be in favor of a revolution. We’ve had a revolution, back in the 1700’s. I think that might be more apropos to Achilles to be wishing for some revolution, upheaval, blood in the streets scenario. I don’t fondly speak of some civil war, “wet work”, “our side”.

The thing we have to watch is making sure there is a double blind between the actual campaign and the actual DNC and what we’re doing. There’s a double blind there. So they can plausibly deny that they knew anything about it.

"So the Chicago protest when they shut all that, that was us. It was more him [Bob Creamer] than me, but none of this is supposed to come back to us, because we want it coming from the people, we don’t want it to come from the party.

No, I’m saying that we have mentally ill people that we pay to do shit, make no mistake. Over the last twenty years. I’ve paid off a few homeless guys to do crazy stuff, and I’ve also made sure they had a hotel."

Scott Foval
Democrat activist
On video

bagoh20 said...

This is gonna backfire on Dems. I can feel it, and that's all you need these days.

The level of hysterical dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by Democrats with this stuff has got me motivated to somehow do far more than just vote for Repubs this November. This lifelong Democrat is finally going to change registration, and then do more than just cast a vote. I need to do more. Canvass, donate, whatever. I'm much more motivated than I was before this disgusting display of lies and partisanship. These people are dangerous and completely unhinged with no interest in fixing anything, even the stuff they broke themselves.

Achilles said...

It is about time for Inga to "leave" the blog for a week or two then come back under another handle only to admit it was her all along.

Unexpectedly.

Jon Ericson said...

Quaestor:
It's the essence of an "Os-wee-pay".

exiledonmainstreet said...

Inga wrote: I picture the Cuban balseros...

Ah, yes, the leftists really cried when Clinton made sure Elian Gonzalez was sent back to Cuba.

Quaestor said...

Inga wrote: There’s no fool like a Trump Cultist.

At last Inga, like a stopped clock intercepting the hour and minute it displays, lurches onto a truth. No fool resembles a Trump support.

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

I don’t want to be a revolutionary, why would I want a revolution?

I don't think you personally do, but I think that you, like many on the more moderate left, make a concerted habit of denying the ugliness of the Left that is all around us now. Shit like this.

You know the assault on DHS Sec Nielsen that happened at a Tex-Mex restaurant in DC? Well, since that happened in my 'hood, I think about stuff like that now. What have I decided? I'm the most peaceable guy on the planet, but if that happens in front of me, done to some quiet patron who's just eating dinner, no matter if done by the left or the right, I'm not going to just sit there. Probably all of us are going to leave the restaurant on stretchers & then from the hospital to jail, but it's gotta stop.

Michael K said...

The level of hysterical dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by Democrats with this stuff has got me motivated to somehow do far more than just vote for Repubs this November.

We don't even have to read the news or watch TV. We have hysterical dishonesty right here on this blog courtesy of the fool.

Inga said...

“How can Inga and her fellows encourage these miserables to waste their meager substance, risk life and limb...”

No one or nothing encourages them more than the threat of murder of themselves or their children if they remain in their country. To deny that there are dire situations for innocent people in these countries is just ignorant. They risk life and limb to run from a worse situation, despite the propaganda that dummies like John Henry peddle. Don’t speak of morality when you display none.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
“How can Inga and her fellows encourage these miserables to waste their meager substance, risk life and limb...”

No one or nothing encourages them more than the threat of murder of themselves or their children if they remain in their country. To deny that there are dire situations for innocent people in these countries is just ignorant. They risk life and limb to run from a worse situation, despite the propaganda that dummies like John Henry peddle. Don’t speak of morality when you display none.


"She paid $6,000 to a smuggler and took off one morning without even saying goodbye to her other 2 children or her husband. They had no idea what happened to them, whether they were dead or alive, until he saw the news stories.

He is a captain in Honduras' principal port with a good job, newish car and nice (for the area) house."


You are an amoral liar.

What handle are you going to return with this time after you "leave" because we are so mean to you?

FIDO said...

If the Left refuses to do anything on Immigration and stops it at every turn, we are going to get something like the Minute Men again. Except with weapons.

Every political side has their types with itchy trigger fingers and if the Left refuses to bend to the will of the popular majority, they will not like the results. That is how you got the Guardian Angels in NYC. That is how you get the Minute Men.

Think carefully how much you oppose the wall since things can get far uglier.

johnhenry100 said...


Blogger YoungHegelian said...

You know the assault on DHS Sec Nielsen that happened at a Tex-Mex restaurant in DC?

Is Nielson Mexican? Or even Texan?

What the Hell is he doing eating at a Mexican restaurant. Doesn't he know that this is cultural appropriation?

Sure would be cool if some jokester were to organize a flash mob outside that restaurant demanding that they stop serving Mexican food to non-Mexicans.

I hope they don't have any non-Mexican burrito rollers in the kitchen, either. That would be cultural genocide!

John Henry

Drago said...

Inga: "No one or nothing encourages them more than the threat of murder of themselves or their children if they remain in their country."

LOL

The Time Mag childs mother left a Honduran middle class non-abusive husband and other children to simply go to the US.

Time magazine used a child that literally represents a complete refutation of every single Inga talking point.

But only every single one.

Not even a strenuous Inga-support effort by "John Heileman republican" Chuck can save this lefty talking pount debacle.

walter said...

Yeah..must be really fucked up "migrants" to be responsible for 63,000 US deaths since 911.
And how it is that the 70% of children who are unaccompanied are being ripped from there parents'loving arms is a mystery.

rcocean said...

I no longer believe ANYTHING negative about Trump in the MSM, unless I check and recheck it.

Jon Ericson said...

I fart in her general direction. *crosses fingers*

gilbar said...

facts don't matter; only optics matter

igna says: "Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances."
yep! it's a composite! That's the prog way!

Big Mike said...

I'm assuming that's because it sees its story as fake but accurate.

That'd be my assumption, too. Inga (5:16) assumes so, too.

But from where I sit fake news is still fake.

Inga said...

“I don't think you personally do, but I think that you, like many on the more moderate left, make a concerted habit of denying the ugliness of the Left that is all around us now. Shit like this.”

A huge mistake that people make ( we all do it occasionally, especially in the heat of argument) is blaming an entire group of people for the bad acts of some of the more extreme people of their “side”. Do you more moderate folks identify with what Langford Peel says, or the extreme nuttery of what Achilles says, or the stupid hateful shit that the other extremists on your side say? It’s extremism and fundamentalism that are scourge on society. I see it in everything Achilles says, it reeks of extremism. Peel is an extremist of a different sort, a white supremacist. White supremacists and white nationalists traditionally side with conservatives and Trump. You don’t want me to lump you in with them, that wouldn’t be accurate or fair to you, would it?

rcocean said...

BTW, one of McCain's senior staffer was coordinating with Lois Lerner and the IRS in their targeting of the Tea Party.

Gosh, that McCain - always "reaching across the aisle"

johnhenry100 said...

Blogger Inga said...

despite the propaganda that dummies like John Henry peddle. Don’t speak of morality when you display none.

And which propaganda would that be, Inga?

Ever been to central America? I've never been to Honduras but have been to Mexico a number of times. Leon, Quejetero, Guanajuata, Chihuahua among other places. Also Guatamala, Ecuador, Costa Rica, Santo Domingo. These countries are shitholes, and I fully sympathize with anyone wanting to leave.

I sympathize even more with American desire for them not to come here.

So examples of my propaganda, Inga? No? Didn't think so.

John Henry

Birkel said...

I always thought it was stupid for my mom to tell me to eat all my vegetables because there were starving people in S.E. Asia and I think it's stupid when somebody tells me to allow an invasion of my country because other countries are worse.

Allowing an invasion has never proved a good strategy.

johnhenry100 said...

Blogger Achilles said...

You are an amoral liar.

I hope you are not directing that at me. That's Inga's job. She's not particularly good at it but it's all she's got. Please don't take that away from her.

John Henry

bagoh20 said...

"Over the past week the Democrat/Media cabal has done a nice job of demonstrating why we need to close the border and end the chaos."

I think they have no idea how that is slowly playing out with many people. The optics bonanza they manufactured initially only lead to people asking why it was happening. Gradually that story is being told and absorbed, and the reason is exactly what Trump's message has been all along: Immigration and the border are a mess, many of the illegals are not nice people or innocent asylum seekers, the Dems like it that way or don't care, and nothing will stop it but Trump and his wall. It's a marathon, and the Dems are running in circles waving their arms, yelling I'm winning and getting winded. Trumpers are growing in number and keeping their powder dry.

Jon Ericson said...

dummies lulz

Quaestor said...

Inga wrote: We’ve had a revolution, back in the 1700’s.

Amazing! Such precision! Such an incisive grasp of history! To anyone not blessed by her stellar academic achievement, the locus of the American Revolution is some vague epoch between the extinction of the Mesozoic megafauna and last Tuesday. But Inga, in her perspicacity has pinned it down to a specific century. The subtlety of mind characteristic of the alumni of the Close Cover Before Striking School of Psychiatric Nursing and Copier Repair is justly legendary.

Birkel said...

Come one and come all. Disavow the Moby.

No thanks.

Fabi said...

I haven't watched the news this evening -- did Stormy Daniels make it to our southern border to begin her Spark of Divinity Blowjob Tour?

Jon Ericson said...

Quaestor: That's not not funny.

Browndog said...

Fuck this-

Once again the liberal hold up as the most noble, are in fact, the most evil. I'm talking about the single black mothers that raise thugs, and the Hispanics that sell their children to the coyotes, paid in part by the Soros Group.

Do you know what happens to an 6 yr old boy that shows up at the border? Undocumented?

He lives in an orange/avocado grove. Picking by day, sex slave by night. He is traded to other grove bosses (Head Mexican) when they tire of him. Only when he grows big enough and strong enough to escape does he become a gang banger, but most times he moves up, and becomes a boss himself. The only life he's eve known.

So, I say to people like Inga--Fuck you.

You have no idea.

chuck said...

Remember when Trump got all that free publicity during the nomination phase of the last election? Remember when the Democrats wanted Trump to win the nomination? Remember when Trump ran on closing the borders? It isn't clear to me that this phony propaganda war launched by the Democrats is going to work out the way they hope. Especially with the drip, drip, drip of the exposure of falsehood and dishonest reporting. The end result might well be the final nail in the coffin of media credibility such as it is. The big problem might be what to do with all the zombie Democrats that will be left shambling in the streets going nur, nur, nur.

gspencer said...

If leftists didn't lie, they'd have nothing to say.

David Begley said...

I picked up a paper copy of Time today. Very thin and very few ads. More people probably read Althouse than Time.

rcocean said...

Whenever we have this Establishment Chip-outs, like Charlottsville, or the Travel ban, I wonder about things.

Like, we know the MSM coordinates their story. They make the decision to cover the same story, with the same "Outrage", in the same manner, for the same length of time.

What what about the RINO's like the Bush family, McCain, Lindsey, etc. Are they in on it? Or do they just see an opportunity to signal their virtue to the MSM?

And where was Cuck Romney, this go around? Ordinarily white Bread Romney would be out screeching "Racism" but he's been quiet. I wonder why.

rcocean said...

Ordinarily the only place I would see "Time" was in the Dentists office. The last time I saw it in our Library was 15 years ago.

Now even the Dentist has gotten rid of it.

rcocean said...

Who in God's name still subscribes to a *weekly* news magazine. Time's entire readership must consist of Dentists and people over 80.

Fabi said...

While I'm on the topic of aging whores -- has anyone heard from Robert Mueller? He used to be as popular here as Ms. Daniels, yet he appears to have been similarly discarded. Like a cheap hooker.

Seeing Red said...

Inga why aren’t you on a plane to volunteer your nursing expertise? You care.

walter said...

Fabi,
Russia, Russia, Russia is so last week..and no emoti-cons to be played with that one.
But be assured...all involved are still making guvment $$$

Birkel said...

Fabi,
Mueller is quite expensive. It's hard jailing innocent people and giving away millions of dollars to the innocent accused.

Inga said...

I hear Robert Mueller is still very busy working on something very important.

Jon Ericson said...

"Disavow the Moby"

Heh.™

walter said...

Yes Inga,
He's busy creating discovery for that case against the Russian company that didn't exist.

Big Mike said...

@inga, I would place you squarely among the extremists of the left, yes. And I do not regard Achilles as extreme on the right. You are so far left of center that anyone right of center appears extreme to you.

Inga said...

“inga, I would place you squarely among the extremists of the left, yes. And I do not regard Achilles as extreme on the right. You are so far left of center that anyone right of center appears extreme to you.”

Well, I’m sorry you have such poor judgment and discernment.

readering said...

Wait, you mean Trump and that little girl weren't actually photographed together? WTF.

Achilles said...

rcocean said...
Whenever we have this Establishment Chip-outs, like Charlottsville, or the Travel ban, I wonder about things.

Like, we know the MSM coordinates their story. They make the decision to cover the same story, with the same "Outrage", in the same manner, for the same length of time.



Buwaya and I have been pointing this out for a long time.

NBC is owned by Comcast and the voting shares in Comcast are controlled by Brian Roberts.

CBS is owned by the Redstones.

ABC is owned by the Disneys.

WAPO is owned by Bezos.

NYT is owned by Carlos Slim.

Fox is owned by Murdoch.

Time, Newsweek and all of the has beens are all owned by a very small number of people.

What what about the RINO's like the Bush family, McCain, Lindsey, etc. Are they in on it? Or do they just see an opportunity to signal their virtue to the MSM?

And where was Cuck Romney, this go around? Ordinarily white Bread Romney would be out screeching "Racism" but he's been quiet. I wonder why.



They are owned by the same people that own the media and the democrats.

They just had different people to lie to.

chuck said...

> Ordinarily white Bread Romney would be out screeching "Racism" but he's been quiet. I wonder why.

Utah Republican primary is next Tuesday. Romney didn't get the nomination at the convention, so it has come down to a vote.

walter said...

Potent deflection there readering.

walter said...

Romney figures George Will is more than covering things while he's laying low.

Quaestor said...

Inga wrote: Do you more moderate folks identify with what Langford Peel says, or the extreme nuttery of what Achilles says, or the stupid hateful shit that the other extremists on your side say?

Feeble flummery, dear Inga. An unbiased mind must conclude that to escape your condemnation as an "extremist" or a "fundamentalist" or (horror of horrors) a "white nationalist" one must uncritically accept every jot and tittle of the sophistry and nonsense you peddle in virtual every trite and puerile sentence you type.

Since you have never addressed the completely fair and sincerely offered challenge to defend your tacit approval of the separation of child from parent policy of the Obama Administration — Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit — you can hardy expect the same unbiased mind to credit any of your complaints as more significant than the drunken ramblings of an overmatched ignoranmus.

Jon Ericson said...

extremists of the left?

Aw, I can't see her taking a yuge bribe or smacking somone with a bike lock.
That's not who she is.
She's a "Good German".
She'd be shunned if she engaged her brain.
She's a cheerleader.
Happy warrior.

Drago said...

Inga: "A huge mistake that people make ( we all do it occasionally, especially in the heat of argument) is blaming an entire group of people for the bad acts of some of the more extreme people of their “side”."

LOL

Yes. Inga just wrote that. Just now. After calling all Trump voters nazi traitors.

It just keeps getting better and better.

buwaya puti said...

Part of the problem seems to be a preference cascade sort of thing.
Or the result of a mass exploiting the work of pioneers.

People will do things they see other people doing. If they know it can be done, and have information on the methods and routes, then they are much more likely to try it too. The more adventurous and desperate first.

Modern technology helps facilitate this. This information is now available to every village in Central America through their successful compatriots in the US, and the ubiquity of cell phones and wire transfer systems, from the US, to finance movement that would be unaffordable before.

The same observation has been made of African immigration (or rather migration) to Europe, with masses of people now crossing much of Africa to end up on the Libyan coast. The average African sees that going to Europe is not an impossible thing, and they can hope to succeed.

This all is an inevitable consequence of technology. It will eventually be one world, come what may in disruption and tragedy in the process, including, perhaps, near-total cultural loss. Technology comes with consequences, many of which are destructive.

Raspail's "Camp of the Saints" is of course a prophecy.

n.n said...

United and American Airlines would refuse their reunification. Progressives applaud their stand. Something similar happened with Obama's trail of tears.

n.n said...

Whether it is social justice adventures, or native dysfunction, or the UN sustaining persistent corruption, this is why there needs to be emigration reform.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
“inga, I would place you squarely among the extremists of the left, yes. And I do not regard Achilles as extreme on the right. You are so far left of center that anyone right of center appears extreme to you.”

Well, I’m sorry you have such poor judgment and discernment.


We all know who the stupid person is.

I have been pro gay marriage longer than the democrat party has. Certainly longer than any democrat nominee for president.

Pro legal marijuana and decriminalization of drug use.

I believe there should be a 100% tax on state and local police profits due to seizure of property and the proceeds should be given immediately to 100 different random charities a week.

Pro Glass-Steagall. I am all for breaking up the big banks and amazon and google and facebook and all of the crony corportations.

Random choices out of the phone book would do a better job than our Senate.

I am a classic liberal. What the democrat party was before they decided to try to burn the bill of rights.

Big Mike is wrong though. I am extreme in my defense of freedom.

More people are realizing you are an enemy of freedom.

It is why democrats are going to get absolutely annhilated in November.

Achilles said...

chuck said...
> Ordinarily white Bread Romney would be out screeching "Racism" but he's been quiet. I wonder why.

Utah Republican primary is next Tuesday. Romney didn't get the nomination at the convention, so it has come down to a vote.


Romney has a lot of money.

But with actual republican voters he is not very popular.

The globalists are spending a lot of money to improve on his second place finish in the caucus.

buwaya puti said...

"blaming an entire group of people for the bad acts of some of the more extreme people of their “side"

True, to a degree, but in most cases there is very little difference between extremists and the mass. In the main the fundamentals of the, let us say, imperative followed by the extremists is common to the mass, the extremists differing only in personal qualities - courage, boldness, lack of social restraint, psychopathology. There is always a mass of people behind any extremist.

This is one reason "propaganda of the deed" (aka terrorism) works.
One (among others of course) of its goals is to reduce the barriers to the mass going one step further, through force of example.

Achilles said...

johnhenry100 said...

I hope you are not directing that at me. That's Inga's job. She's not particularly good at it but it's all she's got. Please don't take that away from her.

John Henry


Poor attribution on my part.

I was lazy and just copied your post instead of the several stories about Inga's hero abandoning her family in Honduras to sneak into the US.

Fabi said...

Typically when the left gins up a fake news scandal they consider most of the angles. This bullshit was unusually sloppy and has collapsed in record time.

Gahrie said...

What the Hell is he doing eating at a Mexican restaurant.

She.

Doesn't he know that this is cultural appropriation?

The Lefties actually did accuse her of that.

Sebastian said...

"the ugliness of the Left that is all around us now."

The only thing new is that it is all around us now.

The ugliness has been there since 1789.

Having scaled the commanding heights of media and higher ed, they feel emboldened.

As you can tell from the lefty reaction to even elementary lies: they give no quarter because they expect to prevail.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

LOL - Cynthia Nixon wants to abolish ICE.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Just when you think the leftwing media can't go any lower with their BS and lies...
EAch new days brings new levels of hack.

Inga said...

Achilles, I don’t think the things you’ve listed make you less of an extremist. It’s your extreme hatred and irrational fear of those you perceive as your mortal enemies that is most concerning. You seem incapable of seeing people on the left as your fellow Americans, patriots, military members, workers, moms, dad’s, grandmas, everyday people. You’ve turned them into some bigger than life bogey man. Some existential threat to your life and limb. This is not a normal way to see everyday people.

Drago said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home: "LOL - Cynthia Nixon wants to abolish ICE"

Of course she does. As does the entire left...for that is the only way they will achieve their dream of a socialist utopia in America.

Look no further than the Hugo Chavez-type lunatic the people in the s***hole called Mexico are about to elect overwhelmingly:

"Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Tuesday declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.

#IngaKnew not only knew about Bill Clinton and voted for him twice, she, along with the entire left, are also completely aware of what the leftist no-border types are attempting to achieve.

Anonymous said...

This from Inga at 5:16

"So there’s absolutely no possibility that what was described happened to some other migrant and her child? The scenario described could never ever happen? Right.

Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances."

She was almost rational yesterday-I even agreed with her - but this statement is laughable. It must have happened somewhere so Time is okay putting out an absolute faked falsehood. I really don't know how to critique such madness.

Fabi said...

"More people are realizing you are an enemy of freedom. It is why democrats are going to get absolutely annhilated in November."

I agree with your first sentence and may be leaning toward agreement on the second. Their lunge to the extreme left has been severe enough to penetrate the news membrane and has now startled the "normals".

Comanche Voter said...

Time was sold for a dollar. (Or was that Newseek?) Doesn't matter-whoever paid more thn one cent for Time got screwed.

Quaestor said...

LOL - Cynthia Nixon wants to abolish ICE.

And replace it with a Sturmabteilung armed and ready to enforce her orthodoxy.

Drago said...

If the likely next Mexican President literally calling for a human wave migration invasion of the US, Mexican officials also speak openly of Trump being assassinated:

“Among current Mexican officials, almost everyone I met offered commiserations about Trump, and many suggested that he was a bigot and a dangerous, reckless man. One went so far as to fantasize about the possibility that ‘Trump might end up like J.F.K.’ But for most the guiding principle was circumspection,” New Yorker staff writer Jon Lee Anderson wrote in a piece entitled “How Mexico Deals with Trump.”

When Achilles speaks of opposing the clear mass violence of the left with force this is the sort of thing he is talking about.

And the leftists in the US are 100% behind the soon to be Chavez-like dictator to our immediate South.

walter said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...LOL - Cynthia Nixon wants to abolish ICE
--
1st it was Bloomberg's soda regulation, then Cali's anti-straw movement.
Now this..

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

buwaya puti said...
there is very little difference between extremists and the mass.


There are two ways to ways to address this insanity:

1) Are you are saying that there is very little difference between James Fields and yourself?

OR

2) Do you understand the meaning of the word 'extremist'.

buwaya puti said...

"You seem incapable of seeing people on the left as your fellow Americans, patriots, military members, workers, moms, dad’s, grandmas, everyday people."

In every case of conflict, no matter how cruel, there are plenty of such innocent people on both sides. This is always true.

This does not change the situation, once both sides are irrevocably alienated. It can't be wished away.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
“I don't think you personally do, but I think that you, like many on the more moderate left, make a concerted habit of denying the ugliness of the Left that is all around us now. Shit like this.”

A huge mistake that people make ( we all do it occasionally, especially in the heat of argument) is blaming an entire group of people for the bad acts of some of the more extreme people of their “side”. Do you more moderate folks identify with what Langford Peel says, or the extreme nuttery of what Achilles says, or the stupid hateful shit that the other extremists on your side say? It’s extremism and fundamentalism that are scourge on society. I see it in everything Achilles says, it reeks of extremism. Peel is an extremist of a different sort, a white supremacist. White supremacists and white nationalists traditionally side with conservatives and Trump. You don’t want me to lump you in with them, that wouldn’t be accurate or fair to you, would it?


It is no mistake.

Your first post on this thread was to defend the propaganda used by your side to smear everyone who opposed open borders as wanting to separate families.

You have been acting like a truly deranged beast all week attacking people in a visceral and hate filled way attacking people's very humanity and imputing they have no empathy for other people.

And you have directed it at all Trump supporters.

They have all noticed. They also noticed you are only speaking up now after 8 years of Obama.

Now you are already starting to regret your disgusting actions.

It is too late.

Loren W Laurent said...

Yesterday, John Pickering sagely wrote the following:

"But not if you are a brown person crossing our southern border without documentation. Down there in McAllen, Texas, and elsewhere, you will be treated the way the Nazis treated Jews and homosexuals and “undesirables” and political opponents. You will be transported to an American concentration camp..."

Which makes it plain that Trump's Wall is a Humanitarian Act.

How else can we prevent these poorly-educated, misguided souls from trying to illegally enter Nazi America?

How else can we keep them from foolishly scraping to make it across the border where they will inevitably be shipped to Concentration Camps?

STOP IMMIGRATION TO NAZI AMERICA!

- LWL

Drago said...

Inga: "You seem incapable of seeing people on the left as your fellow Americans, patriots, military members, workers, moms, dad’s, grandmas, everyday people."

Inga called all Trump voters nazi's and traitors.

The majority of US military voters, veterans and active duty personnel, voted for Trump.

Discuss.

Browndog said...

The (likely) next Mexican President is a straight up communist. Media likes to water him down to 'marxist-like'.

buwaya puti said...

"
1) Are you are saying that there is very little difference between James Fields and yourself?

OR

2) Do you understand the meaning of the word 'extremist'."

"Extremists" are usually extreme in their behavior, not in their opinions. There are usually vastly more people who hold similar opinions but feel restrained in expressing or acting on them.

As for James Fields - I don't have his opinions, probably, but plenty of respectable people do, or similar enough.

You have a connection with your history, your national and folk heritage, and many are unhappy that it is being erased. Consider your own cultural touchstones - literally stones, no doubt, some of them. Macaulay's "ashes of his fathers and the temples of his Gods". We all have them. How far are you willing to go, should people come to destroy all? Stand like Horatius at the bridge?

Inga said...

“Inga called all Trump voters nazi's and traitors.”

Drago depends on people to believe his lies. Achilles eats this sort of thing up and it just encourages his extremism. Propagandists like Drago depend on influencing and manipulating people like Achilles. It doesn’t take much, which makes Drago’s job easier.

Discuss.

Drago said...

Inga: "Propagandists like Drago depend on influencing and manipulating people like Achilles."

Time published a correction saying: The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she (was) taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together."

Inga bought the actual propaganda hook, line and sinker.

And did it publicly for all the world to see.

LOL

Hagar said...

"So there’s absolutely no possibility that what was described happened to some other migrant and her child? The scenario described could never ever happen? Right.
Yes it’s most likely accurate in many other instances."


But it is absolutely against Journalism 101 rules. A reporter must simply not do this.

Drago said...

Propagandists of the left (which are legion) depend on influencing and manipulating people like Inga.

And it works.

But only every single time.

Crazy Jane said...

I don't have a problem with the press going after Trump.

This sort of thing works best, of course, if you are not caught in lies and if you do not editorialize in news columns. Personally, I also like news delivered without emotionalism and manufactured hysteria, but that's a just quibble of mine.

The big problem comes when the press holds only one political party to account. Consider its treatment of the last administration.

No pushback for giving a billion bucks of cash (not traceable bank transfers) to Iran. No pushback for embracing Cuba without mentioning its hundreds of political prisoners. No pushback when the IRS went rogue in 2012. No pushback when non-security officials like the UN ambassador unmasked hundreds of private citizens' personal data.

Perhaps most puzzling given journalists' current animus, no pushback when the Justice Department wiretapped AP reporters' phones and emails, and no pushback when it tried to put a New York Times reporter in prison for talking to government leakers.

The traditional press is still angry at the country for voting for Trump. It seems not to understand that it provided much of the kindling that lit the fire.

FullMoon said...

Inga,
Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?


This isn't Jews fleeing your German ancestors, no matter how much you guys try to equate.

rcocean said...

"Raspail's "Camp of the Saints" is of course a prophecy."

I read it in the 1980s, and thought it ridiculous.

Frenchmen sitting around letting Africans and Muslim's barge into their country - invade it - and doing nothing?

Crazy. Unbelievable. I thought.

And now, almost expected.

Drago said...

This entire last few weeks has been a case study in vast leftist mass propaganda....so naturally Inga rises up against those who point out why that propaganda is.....nothing but lie-filled propaganda.

Inga labels the corrective and factual and accurate responses to leftist propaganda as "propaganda".

LOL

And remember, no one had to train Inga to be like this. She volunteered...

Be said...

Exactly.

The Eastman House has a full narrative about that other nasty photo that changed things. Too Little, Too Late.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/50-years-ago-photo-vietnam-execution-framed-americans-view-war-n843801

Sebastian said...

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States"

Red meat for Trump, of course. It'll help in 2020.

In the meantime: how many lefties will even criticize this open call for invasion?

Drago said...

Inga has yet to address the FACT that this child is the offspring of a middle class honduran mom who simply decided to use the baby as a tool to gain permanent entry into the US.

Inga cannot address that reality because addressing it would require her to question the battery of left-wing assumptions and propaganda she has been fed....and that ain't never going to happen.

LOL

Inga said...

“But it is absolutely against Journalism 101 rules. A reporter must simply not do this.”

Indeed. I did at no time say that it was the correct thing to do. What I did say was that just because THIS story was wrong, doesn’t mean that it could not have happened in other cases. OF COURSE it should be written up accurately at any rate.

YoungHegelian said...

@Drago,

I looked, but could not find, a link that has Obrador himself saying those words. I'm tempted to believe it, but, for the right as for the left, I want documentation.

I'd really like to see the video of him saying whatever he said in whatever language (Spanish?) he said it in.

If he really said that, I think he should be arrested if he steps foot in the US for illegal campaign donation in kind to the Re-Elect The Donster 2020! Campaign.

Foreign interference, indeed!

buwaya puti said...

Consider the ur-case for modern international terrorism.

Sirhan Sirhan.

He was an uncomplicated representative of his Palestinian people. The mass of them held his opinion of Israel, the United States, its policies, and the grievances of their people. There were and are lots of Palestinians in the US who would be and still are sympathizers with Sirhan Sirhans opinions. It is, as far as I know, pretty much the universal opinion of Palestinians anywhere. They feel grievously offended on the matter of the "ashes of his fathers and the temples of his Gods", indisputably so. The only difference between Sirhan Sirhan and most of his people is that he did something about it.

Drago said...

You know, by now I would have expected the ARM's and Inga's and LLR Chuck's to have learned from the mistake of that earlier fantastic lefty liar Dan Rather and time their attacks at a more appropriate time relative to the election.

Unfortunately for the lefties and their LLR allies, they launched their lies a tad too early and the truth had a chance to get its pants on which, these days, is more than sufficient as so much of the US public has truly learned what a lying bunch of hacks the lefties/LLR's actually are.

I must say that it gives me great joy to see that the leftists are unable to adapt on the fly, but then again, if they were capable of adapting, they wouldn't be leftists, would they?

buwaya puti said...

El Universal AMLO

"Y ya pronto, muy pronto, al triunfo de nuestro movimiento vamos a defender a los migrantes de todo el continente Americano y todos los migrantes del mundo que, por necesidad, tienen que abandonar sus pueblos para buscar la vida en Estados Unidos, es un derecho humano que vamos a defender", expresó.

Drago said...

Remember, in the US the dems are really, really, really against foreign intervention in our elections (snort).

In fact, I'm sure Carlos Slim, Mexican billionaire and owner of the NYT said so himself!

LOL

Rabel said...

This bullying of Inga must stop. Have we not just seen in an earlier post what tragedy it can lead to!

Shame. Shame. Shame.

On the other hand, Inga, once you get past the dying part, martyrdom, however achieved, is a pretty sweet gig. They build statues, write books, do HBO specials about your life and how you made a difference. Someone here would probably start a gofundme page for the kids. I'll pledge $3.50 right now.

I'd prefer you stay here with us, but, your body - your choice.

Drago said...

Thanks buwaya for pulling the embedded quote.

So, this is where we are: the likely communist future President of Mexico is saying publicly they will be sending all their people north to the US AND saying they are likely going to cease fighting the narco-cartels on our border AND are openly talking about Trump's assassination.

And every single leftist in the US supports the Mexicans over Trump.

But only every single one.

And then the lefties dare call us traitors....except, like today with Inga, they want us to forget they called us traitors...so they can lecture us about labeling entire groups.....

LOL

Drago said...

Rabel: "They build statues,..."

Nope.

Inga is a lily-white chick from a lily-white state and is clearly a benefactress of violent white supremacy and white privilege.

She will never be given a statue in the coming lefty Utopia of New America.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

buwaya puti said...
"Extremists" are usually extreme in their behavior, not in their opinions.


Most people harbor a hodge-podge of often conflicting views. A good example is Trump's miscalculation on taking children from their mothers. A majority of people favor a strong border but a majority of people also oppose having the US government taking babies from their mothers. Unsurprisingly, the second belief trumped the first. Yet this completely predictable outcome was surprisingly to extremists like Stephen Miller, and also to many here. Extremism blinds people to the plurality of views that people have and to how many of these views are shared across partisan lines. It is a failure of empathy.

Michael said...

Inga wrote. :"Young Hegelian, do you ever consider how horrendous things must be in their home countries for them to put themselves and their children in such peril?"

Indeed, I think we all are aware of the bad conditions from whence these people come. But when we use catch and release, with "the children" we are inviting hoards to make the trip, confident they will find a new life in the north, especially if they drag their children across those thousands of miles of dangerous country.
And it is this part that the left feels nothing for, nothing at all. It is shitty in Haiti, husbands beat wives in Costa Rica, bad gangs infest El Salvador, parts of Belize are hell holes, people are poor in Oaxaca, children beg in front to of the hotels,in Managua, Tegucigalpa is a nightmare. And on and on. Millions and millions of people would like to grab their kid and use them as a ticket into this country, this racist land where 25% of women are raped on campuses where mean things are said on campuses where women aren't paid where poverty reigns and where every single Republican is a Hitler who would like to boil the little brown children for dinner.

chuck said...

> But with actual republican voters he is not very popular.

I see him as an outsider relying on his church affiliation and name to get an easy nomination and sure win. I suspect I am not the only one, as the vote at the convention was 51/49 in favor of Kennedy. Romney is respected, but he isn't conservative by local standards, so we will see how he does.

buwaya puti said...

My translation -

"And soon, very soon, upon the triumph of our movement, we shall defend the migrants of the whole American continent and all the migrants of the world that, out of necessity, have to abandon their homes to seek a life in the United States, this is a human right which we shall defend"

Jeff said...

Buwaya said: This all is an inevitable consequence of technology. It will eventually be one world, come what may in disruption and tragedy in the process, including, perhaps, near-total cultural loss. Technology comes with consequences, many of which are destructive.

You may be right. But maybe, just maybe, we can avoid most of the cultural loss. To do that, we have to get back to the idea that America is about freedom and economic opportunity. Not about building walls that are pointless, not about the language, the religion, the skin color, the ethnicity, or any of that. It's about freedom and the rule of law. A minimalist government of laws, not men. (I was going to say "honest government" but I don't know that there's ever been one.)

The genius of the founders was that they recognized that power corrupts, and the only way to fight power is with power. So they designed a system of checks and balances. Three branches of government, each jealously guarding their power from encroachment by the other branches. States guarding their own prerogatives from the federal center. (Much of that undone by the 17'th Amendment.) And the widely ignored Tenth Amendment.

I don't think it will happen, but we'll see.





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Francisco D said...

"Pravda was never any more nefarious than is our MSM now. It's embarrassing and it should be ridiculed."

I often compared the NYT and other media slimes to Pravda in the past, but that was hyperbole. Not anymore.

Now, it is more than embarrassing. It is scary.

Inga said...

“I'd prefer you stay here with us, but, your body - your choice.”

You put a hit out on me?!

As for bullying, nah. I don’t allow it. I hit back much harder and enjoy every minute of it.

buwaya puti said...

" future President of Mexico is saying publicly they will be sending all their people north to the US"

I don't know about the rest. He did NOT say that he will be sending the Mexican people north, but that he would defend immigration to the US, by anyone in the Americas, as a human right. That part was clear enough.

Wild rhetoric or some sort of principle?

It does seem to be a bit cavalier about US national sovereignty.

Michael said...

ARM
I think you may have stumbled on a business opportunity. American prisons are often for profit private enterprises. We can build jails with family cells so that the criminal parents will not have their beloved children wrenched from themat the moment of incarceration. We can simply jail the children with the parents creating a whole new propionate scheme. Brilliant actually. And loving. Caring. Empathetic.

Michael said...

Property scheme.

Browndog said...

This has little to do with Trump. Like all Presidents, he will come and go.

This is about punishing those that voted for Trump. And their children, and their children's children.

Every day Trump stays in office MAGA lives. It cannot take root.

Drago said...

buwaya: "He did NOT say that he will be sending the Mexican people north, but that he would defend immigration to the US, by anyone in the Americas, as a human right. That part was clear enough."

He is expressing, explicitly, an open borders concept which is agreed to by every leftist in the US.

But only every one.

He fully intends to use the US as the primary mechanism for lessening Mexican poverty as the Mexican elites continue their now centuries rape of that country.

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