March 23, 2018

"It was kind of obvious that there was an attraction — from his part to me."



I haven't watched the whole thing. That quote happens in the first 2 minutes. We had to pause to laugh a lot. Meade went into an extended comic rant in which Trump's penis was likened to a divining rod...



ADDED: I really don't have the patience to sit through the whole video, so let me snag a few quotes from the NPR article, because there is something I want to say if I can find my way to it:
Once, she said, he even took her to the apartment in Trump Tower that he lived in with his wife and their young son, Barron. "Aren't you afraid to bring me here?"

"They won't say anything," Trump supposedly said. He showed her around the "very gold" apartment and pointed out Melania's room saying, "she likes to get away to read."... "Doing something wrong is bad enough and when you're doing something wrong and you're in the middle of somebody else's home or bed or whatever, that just puts a little stab in your heart," she said.

Even worse was actually meeting Melania and posing for a picture with her, Trump and a handful of McDougal's Playboy Playmate colleagues, she said. McDougal conceded it's possible Melania knew about the Playmate's dalliance with Trump. Still, she said she was very happy throughout the romance. She said she loved Trump and that he loved her. He told her so "all the time" and had several pet names for her, including "baby" and "beautiful Karen."...

McDougal claimed she was not aware that Trump allegedly had other paramours while they were involved, including adult film actress Stormy Daniels, who says she also had a fling with Trump. Stormy, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, is also suing to be able to tell her story.

"I thought I was the only one," McDougal admitted, adding that "it makes sense. If he's doing it behind his wife's back why would he not do it behind my back?"

In the end, McDougal said she was overwhelmed by guilt and fear that the affair would become public.
Where is that guilt and fear now? Why is she being disloyal to a man she said she loved, who never seems to have done her any harm? She says she felt bad because of Melania — I guess that she was abetting adultery and also that she knew all along she couldn't be Trump's only woman.
"The excitement took over for a while but I started feeling so bad about myself. ... It was tearing me apart in the long run. I knew I needed to get out," she said.
If she really is the kind of person who felt all of that, why is she the kind of person who sits for this hour-long interview, publicizing the very intimacies she feared would be exposed?
[She said she] felt a deep sense of loyalty to Trump both as a former lover but also as a Republican. "I voted for the president. That's my party. That's my president!" she said....
So what happened? She says, "I almost feel violated. I feel taken advantage of... I feel like the contract was illegal, I was lied to and I want to share my truth. I want my life rights back."

She apologizes to Melania:
"I'm sorry," she said choking back tears. "I wouldn't want it done to me."
Would you want this Anderson Cooper interview done to you?
"I know it's a wrong thing to do but in those days I was a different girl. I had fun. I was in the Playboy scene," she explained.
Why is doing a 1-hour interview about your affair with the woman's husband the right thing to do? You're hurting her again, and you are hurting the child, Barron. What's the explanation? It doesn't make sense to me unless she is in league with anti-Trump forces or she just wants to make more money.
"I'm going to church. I'm involved in ministry," she said.
Point me to the religious text that justifies getting out of a contract so you can talk publicly about your affair with a married man and humiliate the man's wife and child?

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Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

CNN is a tabloid now.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Did CNN ever concentrate on Bill Clinton's sex life?

chickelit said...

Anderson Cooper gets off on all this.

Shouting Thomas said...

You keep telling us that misogyny is an irrational prejudice, professor.

And, yet, you keep parading out the asshole women.

Reading your blog is a daily exercise in noticing how many women are complete assholes.

The whores can’t even keep their mouths shut about their fucking.

GWash said...

Careful, you are speaking of the prez's brainy parts...

Hold on to yer wallets, they're counting your money in hopes of lessening your burden..

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...


"he wanted me, and I'm such a dumb idiot, I gave myself to him."

All these women had sex willingly. Unlike Bill's victims.

Chuck said...

Whoa, wait a minute. Karen McDougal is apologizing to Melania?

What about The Don?

Ron said...

Do they not realize that Americans were aware of this aspect of Donald Trump's personality before they knew of it in Bill Clinton?

tcrosse said...

Breakfast at Meadehouse must be a scream.

Snark said...

Ohforgodsake. The interview was fine. Thinking any of it is funny is just weird. It's all just sordid and shitty and sad.

Curious George said...

Billionaire Donald Trump got some quality strange twelve years ago? I for one am shocked.

AlbertAnonymous said...

She went to the Beverly Hills Hotel to meet him for dinner. Thought they were going to have dinner in the hotel restaurant. But they had dinner in his bungalow....

Ohhh so sneaky and salacious. What a cad this guy is. Preying on the innocent playboy playmate of the year.

Good thing her sensors went off and she found a way to extricate herself from the trap. Oh no, that’s right, she chose not to extricate herself. She chose to... be “intimate with him” THAT night.

chickelit said...

“It's all just sordid and shitty and sad.”

Come on, No one has actually accused Trump of anal. Maybe that’s what Cooper is digging for next, though.

rhhardin said...

Put some ire on that.

Chuck said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

"he wanted me, and I'm such a dumb idiot, I gave myself to him."

All these women had sex willingly. Unlike Bill's victims.


Why is this canard passable in any intelligent discussion?

Bill Clinton had consensual sex with Monica Lewinski, and Gennifer Flowers and Eleanor Mondale and maybe Markie Post and Dolly Kyle Browning and Patricia Duff and a couple dozen others.

And, there are a handful of credible claims that Clinton had abusive sexual relations with other women. Paula Jones; Juanita Broaddrick; Kathleen Willey. A few others in addition.

And then there's Trump. On his third marriage; a self acknowledged adulterer. Consensual affairs with a number of women, like Clinton. And about 14 claims that Trump had abusive sexual relations with other women.

As well as Trump's own recorded statement about "You can grab 'em by the pussy..."

chickelit said...

Chuck defending Bill Clinton - drago and Gahrie proven correct!

chickelit said...

Chuck makes this whole sordid affair into battleground prep for the restoration of the Clintons.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

What Bill did matters a lot. Is Trump having an affair with an intern and a cigar now?

Here's Bill's list and it includes a lot of non-consensual. Not that it matters to you, Chuck.

Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
• In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Bluelast week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
• In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
• From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."

cont..

Snark said...

"Come on, No one has actually accused Trump of anal. Maybe that’s what Cooper is digging for next, though."

There would be significantly less digging required if Trump himself wasn't full of shitty shit on the matter. President's lie, the media digs. Kind of the way we roll here in the first world.

rhhardin said...

It doesn't humiliate Melania so much as give her leverage for a better deal.

Trump may decide fuck it, don't let the door hit you etc.

The woman's initial goal is to show her friends what a good deal she made for herself, but her partner has to show he thinks he's made a good deal too for that to work.

Then the woman goes for the second-best deal.

Or decides to go with her vows and find she's happy with that. That's a break from the initial goal.

Love isn't a feeling.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Is Melania out there destroying Trump's accusers like Hillary did?

Hillary had pets murdered.

Who Killed Seth Rich?

rhhardin said...

Don't fuck with women, if they're hot enough to make a career out of hotness.

The career comes first after a while.

Lyssa said...

I like Melania, but she's not going to get any sympathy from me for being publicly cheated on. If she somehow didn't know what she was getting into, that's on her. But I assume that she accepted that as part of the deal.

Baron is another story, but honestly, that's fairly low on the list of my worries about what he has to deal with.

But I agree with Althouse that this woman's thought process is certainly interesting.

tcrosse said...

She's so sorry, and you can take that to the bank.

walter said...

"Melania, I'm so sorry I fucked him. Now I'm going to fuck you and Barron. Because..my story has to be heard. Are we good?"

AZ Bob said...

Live by the sword, die by the sword:

"I thought I was the only one," McDougal admitted, adding that "it makes sense. If he's doing it behind his wife's back why would he not do it behind my back?"

Bill R said...

Scripture eh?

All I can think of is St. Paul in Timothy 5:23
"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities"

and

1 Corinthians 7:
But if they cannot contain themselves, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

walter said...

"If it helps, it's kind of a gang bang. So...you know"

TreeJoe said...

CNN has been going down hill for awhile now. I'm talking ~20 years or so. But it was a gentle downhill slope.

The candidacy and presidency of Trump has made that into a steep downhill slope. Journalistic standards, moral/ethical standards, and even the appearance of being solid journalists - all gone.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Bill did not have sex with that women.


LOL! hey man, it's all cool. It's just oral sex in the oval office. No biggie, because Bill is pro-abortion.

walter said...

"I mean..I didn't start it..just joining in. Ok?"

becauseIdbefired said...

The press has now dispensed with their disdain for "The politics of personal Destruction," and exposing people's private lives, as they become Victorian prudes in their attempt to destroy the president. Soon they will have established their credentials as completely anti-sex, and they, and perhaps even NOW, will have the moral high ground to go after "President Groper".

I wonder, when things get really hot, if Trump will lob some cruise missiles at NK, to get some bimbo off the front page.

Sally327 said...

I've never found Trump remotely attractive or appealing in any sort of sexual or romantic way so it makes me think he must be incredibly charming on an individual, personal level or it's just that he's a billionaire and a certain kind of woman finds that alluring. Because so far all these women are beautiful and presumably not without many, many options when it comes to finding a man. Any other man that is.

I think women who come out later and cry about hurting the wife because they screwed around with her husband are just malicious and looking to rub it in. As if Melania would want their sympathy, their apology, and they know that, they're just being vicious because it's all they have, a sordid tale of lust and betrayal. Melania has wife status. And (hopefully) a really good prenup. He may have screwed you but he married her. It is (almost) always better to be the wife and not the occasional bit of strange on the side. Unless you're Hillary Clinton.

Chuck said...

Fuck you ignorant shit heads.

Don't start in with me, saying that I am defending Clinton, or that I am pro-Clinton. I'm not.

I think Bill Clinton is a lying scumbag. I never voted for him. I'd never vote for him. Not for him, or his wife. I'm not defending him. I just got through a very minor, minimalistic (only for the sake of brevity) accounting of Bill Clinton's adulterous and abusive depredations.

Where in any of that is any defense of Clinton.

You nasty mouth-breathers are just incapable of reading any criticism of Trump as anything other "pro-Clinton."

So here; let's be as clear as can be. I agree with all of your that Bill Clinton is a lying, adulterous, abusive cad.

Just like Donald Trump is a lying, adulterous, abusive cad.

I am principled and non-partisan, in my loathing of lying, adulterous, abusive cads.

Just because I am a Republican, I am not going to excuse, ignore or rationalized Trump's having acted like Clinton.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Point me to the religious text that justifies getting out of a contract so you can talk publicly about your affair with a married man and humiliate the man's wife and child?

Yeah, I'm thinking the Christian thing to do would be to take it up with the person and/or his wife. Not publicly air it.

"If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."

Mathew 18:15-17

"Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. 4Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, 5for each one should carry their own load."

Galatians 6:1-5

and Proverbs has numerous mentions about gossip.

"A gossip betrays a confidence; so avoid anyone who talks too much."

"A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy person keeps a secret."

"A perverse person stirs up conflict, and a gossip separates close friends."

"The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to the inmost parts."

"Without wood a fire goes out; without a gossip a quarrel dies down."

So we have a playmate of the year willingly, hell eagerly, having sex with a famous billionaire who she knew was a serial philander. Maybe she thought she was in line to be his fourth wife?

buwaya said...

"Sordid and shitty and sad"

Well of course. Thats life. People make art out of this, such as "Madame Bovary" or "Liasons Dangereuses" or "Don Giovanni".

On another angle, this interview is exactly the sort of thing Tom Wolfe would have invented, not that he needs to. He would have Althouse's take on it, that its part of the complex confection of irony, hypocrisy and delusion of the Trump moment. The sort of thing Tom Wolfe specializes in. Everything about Trump is a Tom Wolfe novel, but dramatized in real life.

The clueless woman lamenting her sins while in the act of redoubling them, in public. That is Wolfe.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Calm down Chuck. If the Hack D press are going to go down this road, I for one am going to shove Bill Clinton down their throats and if the GOP had a brain, they would as well.

#NeverForgetBill'sCrimes

buwaya said...

As for the MSM, dont bother.
Thats a machine, made of money and faithfully serving its masters.

This is purchased material for the Wurlitzer.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

If you type "Karen" into bing.com it auto-completes McDougal. You have to type in "Karen M" into google to get "Karen McDougal autograph as the auto-completed search term. If you actually search you see a lot of stuff about Stormy Daniels as well.

Curious George said...

Chuck's working himself into titty twisting mode.

walter said...

Chuck said...
Fuck you ignorant shit heads.
You nasty mouth-breathers..
--
Ah..the old Chuck returns.

Bay Area Guy said...

"It was kind of obvious that there was an attraction — from his part to me."

It remains obvious that Ms. McDougal is hot, but stupid.

It further remains obvious that nobody gives a shit who Trump was rogering 10 years ago. That ship has sailed.

It further remains obvious that some Democratic lawyer or lobbyist or activist is using McDougal and Anderson Cooper and CNN to score political points at Trump, because, well, that's what the Get Trump Squad does.

We give them a mighty Yawn.

But, Yes, Ms. McDougal is hot. If she's ever interested in sleeping with someone less famous.....

walter said...

Must've run out of walnuts..

Ray - SoCal said...

Trump I don’t see as an abuser.

Playboy, cheater, adulter - yes.

Bill Clinton is much worse - possibly rapist.

mockturtle said...

Point me to the religious text that justifies getting out of a contract so you can talk publicly about your affair with a married man and humiliate the man's wife and child?

Exactly!

Ray - SoCal said...

My first question was also was why is she coming out now.

Stormys obviously about the money. She is past her prime, and the fame she is getting has re-energized her career. Very entrepreneurial. Very Trump like.

Francisco D said...

Chuck said: "Fuck you ignorant shit heads."

The LLR is at it again and he is so charming!

I am beginning to understand your hatred/jealousy of Donald Trump.

With that mouth and attitude of yours, no women would have consensual relations, even if the equipment still worked, as it obviously does with Trump.

Damn that Trump!

buwaya said...

CNN was always a tabloid.
Its MO was saturation coverage of some dramatic story irrespective of its significance. It stuck in pseudo-expert opinionating from time to time, but even tabloids do that.

Chuck said...

Ray said...
Trump I don’t see as an abuser.

Playboy, cheater, adulter - yes.

Bill Clinton is much worse - possibly rapist.


There's a Wikipedia page, cataloguing the allegations of sexual misconduct on the pat of Bill Clinton.

And there's one for Trump, too. Trump's list is longer.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Remember how the hack press rushed to get the Lewinski story?

Oh right- they didn't. They did everything they could to avoid it until they had no choice but to mention it.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

We are to ignore Bill Clinton, the rapist.

Trump had affairs!

Bob Boyd said...

Trump had affairs so the Deplorables should give up their fight and just accept the globalist agenda is the argument, I guess.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

There's a Wikipedia page, cataloguing the allegations of sexual misconduct on the pat of Bill Clinton.

And there's one for Trump, too. Trump's list is longer.


Well that's it then. Its on Wikipedia! You know, they can't put stuff on the Internet if it isn't true. That's a law.

Stephen A. Meigs said...

The larger problem is that lawyers have found it good for business to prevail upon government to believe that people are served by being able to enter government-enforceable contracts about almost anything, no matter how ridiculous, enslaving, or freedom-of-speech reducing the contracts be. The same remarks apply to banks being able to lend money recklessly to people lacking collateral, etc., and then expecting the government to enforce the contract (as well as insuring the bank even if it keeps little capital). If a man tends to attract a female who believes in being indiscreet, people ought to know that--it says something bad about the females he attracts and thus about him, as is just--it is justice that they hurt one another thus by making each other look bad. Alternatively, if a female as she gets older (and perhaps less enslaved by nastiness) comes to see something sordid about what had happened with a male, people ought to know about that, if for no other reason than that other females can become more wary of him if her tale is believable.

Anonymous said...

Ron: Do they not realize that Americans were aware of this aspect of Donald Trump's personality before they knew of it in Bill Clinton?

If this is an attempt to make political hay, well, being clueless on what Americans are aware of is how the MSM/DNC-industrial complex got where it is today.

But that's overthinking it. CNN is a tabloid selling trashy stuff to people who love trashy stuff, and on that point at least they are certainly not clueless about Americans.

tcrosse said...

Chuck can type with one hand.

buwaya said...

Well, it is indeed money.
Someone is paying these people.

One has to wonder who else is being paid, or has been paid, for what services. To leak, perhaps, or to lie. To act in certain ways, or to express certain opinions, or to threaten others with professional sanctions, or to compensate those who cooperate with sinecures, etc. Use your imagination, and it soon becomes clear that based on what we know, there is no limit to what we should suspect.

You cannot be paranoid enough.

The anti-Trump side is so ridiculously wealthy that they can offer, individually, what amounts to Satanic temptations to many thousands of people.

Chuck said...

Francisco D;

Look at what happened on this page. I didn't pick on anybody by name; I didn't start in on anybody with personal insults.

My first comment was simply to point out -- in response to a Bill Clinton attack -- that almost beyond obviousness, the Trump record of adultery and abuse is largely indistinguishable from the Clinton record of adultery and abuse.

What happened next was as predictable is it was wrong; the Althouse commentariat attacked me as a pro-Democrat defender of Bill Clinton. And I'm not taking that. That's bullshit, and I am going to say so. I didn't defend Clinton. I am not defending Clinton. I am attacking Trump in a way that is calculated to make the most ardent of Trump fans (who overlap to a great exetent with haters of the Clintons) burn. I'm using Clinton's offenses against Trump, to whatever extent I can.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

It further remains obvious that nobody gives a shit who Trump was rogering 10 years ago. That ship has sailed.

I think I'd be surprised if he hadn't had sex with a playboy playmate. Seems like the kind of thing that would be on his bucket list. That she was a playmate of the year would be that extra special something.

Anonymous said...

Chuck: Fuck you ignorant shit heads.

I love Chuck. How can you not love Chuck?

becauseIdbefired said...

Chuck:

I'm with you. I don't care for Trump, the person. But, he was the only guy espousing policies I agree with.

"As well as Trump's own recorded statement about "You can grab 'em by the pussy...""

The whole statement is:

"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything... grab them by the pussy."

I think the "They let you" indicates consent. First, I don't know whether or not Trump meant he went up to random women, and they let him grab them by the pussy, or whether that was a kind of speculation from his amazement of how much leeway being a star gave you. I'm inclined to think of it as a sort of amazement/bragging.

However, why does everyone focus on Trump in this? He is, after all, a male of the species, and what male wouldn't want to be in the position in which many women were open to his advances? (On the other hand, testosterone levels are plummeting in the west over the last 70 years or so, so maybe we men are less men than we used to be).

The statement tells us more about women. It tells us how much weight women give to powerful male strangers, and how open they are to their sexual advances. Not the pretty girl next door who falls in love image, and so we detest it.

I think one reason we detest it, is because it's true.

mockturtle said...

Sally327 observes: Melania has wife status. And (hopefully) a really good prenup. He may have screwed you but he married her. It is (almost) always better to be the wife and not the occasional bit of strange on the side. Unless you're Hillary Clinton.

Yes, wife status is superior to consort status. These women cheapen themselves further by their publicity-seeking behavior. It is my hope that our President behaves himself while in office and that Melania maintains a serene demeanor in the face of these past indiscretion.

traditionalguy said...

Scripture...how about "Render unto Ceasar's Palace those things that are Ceasars Palaces and render unto CNN those things that belong to Goddess Clinton."I may not have that just right, but my motives are telling my truth.

Bob Boyd said...

What is the point of being a billionaire if you can't have sex with Playmates and porn stars if you want to?

Leland said...

So she is claiming she willingly had sex with Trump knowing he was married?

Ok. He was married how many times previously? How does this hurt the child? His other children know he was unfaithful to their mothers, and they seem to be well adjusted.

I'm bored now.

I hope Trump vetoes the spending bill. It is establishment garbage.

walter said...

Stephen,
That's a reasonable, but out of context approach to this.
Alerting the world that trump is/was prone to "cheat" is like pointing out the color of the sky.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

if for no other reason than that other females can become more wary of him if her tale is believable.

Trump's physical attractiveness ten years ago is about the same as it is now. That is, not remotely in Karen McDougal's league. In addition, she knew that he was currently married to his third wife. So he is famous and wealthy and lives in a fabulous Manhattan penthouse and owns an estate in Florida and last I heard, has a yuuuggge yacht. I can't imagine what she saw in him.

Sebastian said...

Didn't watch the the whole thing. But it seems she was angling to become Mrs. Trump #4.

mockturtle said...

Funny how the media never, ever discussed JFK's many dalliances [while in office]. The media loved him and would have withheld any story on his behalf. And they did.

Chuck said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
We are to ignore Bill Clinton, the rapist.

Trump had affairs!


I am doin' my best to not ignore Bill Clinton on this page.

Clinton had consensual affairs.
Trump had consensual affairs.
Clinton has also been accused of, but never charged with or convicted of, sexual assault.
Trump has also been accused of, but never charged with or convicted of, sexual assault.

I am trying to figure out where you guys find the stark difference in the two men on this particular issue.

Pookie Number 2 said...

I am beginning to understand your hatred/jealousy of Donald Trump.

Drago’s a much better commenter than I am, but I think that Francisco D is actually correct in ascribing Chuck’s endless Trumpsturbation to jealousy rather than politics.

BillyTalley said...

The claim of earnestness curdles. It's obvious that she's part of an ugly campaign to play the Trump spoiler. The only other explanation might be a come to Jesus 12 step procedure of seeking out the people you've wronged and apologize to them. But what if you make collateral damage along the way?

mockturtle said...

Power is an aphrodisiac. If Mr. Trump were a clerk in a shipping room in Cincinnati, women wouldn't be thrusting their pussies at him, would they?

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Trump threatens to VETO $1.3 trillion federal spending bill because it ignores DACA recipients and funds only 33 new miles of his border wall

This seems a bit mean on the part of the deep state. Give him 666 miles and be done with it.

mockturtle said...

The only other explanation might be a come to Jesus 12 step procedure of seeking out the people you've wronged and apologize to them.

On national television???

walter said...

ARM wants a new topic..again.

Chuck said...

Bay Area Guy said...
"It was kind of obvious that there was an attraction — from his part to me."

It remains obvious that Ms. McDougal is hot, but stupid.

It further remains obvious that nobody gives a shit who Trump was rogering 10 years ago. That ship has sailed.

It further remains obvious that some Democratic lawyer or lobbyist or activist is using McDougal and Anderson Cooper and CNN to score political points at Trump, because, well, that's what the Get Trump Squad does.

We give them a mighty Yawn.

So, I think I understand what you are saying. You are saying, "It's time to just move on, from those old allegations..."

"Move on."

"MoveOn."

"#MoveOn"

MoveOn.org

buwaya said...

Trump and Clinton have a very similar sexual history, to a degree, though the Clintonian taste in women is rather less refined and the Clintonian style is much more coarse. I don't see Trump using State Troopers to solicit sex on his behalf, from government clerks.

You can add JFK to the collection. Trump is more JFK-ish, with respect to affairs with celebrated beauties and demimondaines, but I really dont see him rogering the typing pool as JFK did.

JPS said...

Chuck,

"Fuck you ignorant shit heads....You nasty mouth-breathers are just incapable....I am principled and non-partisan...."

"I didn't start in on anybody with personal insults."

Gosh it's odd, the kind of hostility you catch around here for no obvious reason.

I appreciate your point of view, by the way, and I don't think you deserve most of the crap you get, but geez.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

It’s not Trump’s fault that he is so full of love that one woman wouldn’t be able to handle all that love,💕 so he has pity for his wife and takes a mistress, or two or three. In the words of Salt N Pepa, what a man, what a man, what a man, what a mighty good man!

Bay Area Guy said...

@Chuck,

I offer myself as a bridge between you and the class of ignorant shit heads on this blog. Heh. Think of me as the Boutros-Boutros Ghali of the commentariat.

You write:

"There's a Wikipedia page, cataloguing the allegations of sexual misconduct on the pat of Bill Clinton."

But it isn't a "quantitative" inquiry when discussing rape. One violent rape warrants arrest, conviction, 10 years in prison, and publicity re same.

In 1978, as Arkansas Attorney General, Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaderick. It was covered up. End of inquiry.

You write: "And there's one for Trump, too. Trump's list is longer."

Yeah, I read them. They are broad, but not very deep. There's no claims of rape. Many are based on Trump walking into the Miss Universe dressing room un-announced. The horror! Here's a typical one:

NAME: Temple Taggart

TIME FRAME: 1997

CONNECTION TO TRUMP: Former Miss Utah, 21 in 1997, the first year Trump owned Miss USA.

ALLEGATION: According to the New York Times, Taggart said:

"He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought: 'Oh, my gosh. Gross.' He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like, 'Wow, that's inappropriate.' "

She told the Times that he did it again after the pageant:

"At the gala celebration after the show, she said, Mr. Trump immediately zeroed in on her, telling her how much he liked her style and inviting her to visit him in New York to talk about her future. Soon enough, she said, he delivered another unwelcome kiss on her lips, this time in Trump Tower."

WHAT TRUMP HAS SAID: Per the Times: "Mr. Trump disputes this, saying he is reluctant to kiss strangers on the lips." He also told NBC this week, "I emphatically deny this ridiculous claim."


An unwanted kiss on the lips 20 years ago?!!?

My favorite is the one where a woman claims that at a dark nightclub, Trump touched her on the butt.

These are trivial, old, unprovable, charges. The show that Trump was likely a bit grabby as a younger man. Not a good thing, mind you, but when you're a star........


Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Bill's rape accusers have credibility the hack press choose to ignore.

buwaya said...

The "moveon" thing was to get Clintons actual crimes out of the news. Such as lewdly propositioning government workers, and using others as procurers.

Gennifer Flowers et al were not a component of "moveon".

Howard said...

She is definitely going to hell for attempted crucification of Donald Trump. Not to worry, he is risen this Easter day in spite of the bunny.

Richard Dolan said...

Some things are best ignored. Like this. Not a news flash that Trump has never been monogamous and never will be. Not interested in the details.

buwaya said...

The monarch in western culture has always had tacit license to indulge in mistresses. As also aristocrats.

320Busdriver said...

Trump has nuclear persuasion capability. Biggly

Hagar said...

The "deplorables" seem impervious to arguments about Trump's policies, but maybe we can get him with stories about his infidelities?
Hey Joe, go see if you can dig up some photogenic bimbos willing to go on TV. Just tell them they can get a book deal if they do a convincing act!

Bay Area Guy said...

Chuck sez: "So, I think I understand what you are saying. You are saying, "It's time to just move on, from those old allegations..."

Not quite. I'm saying the allegations are trivial, old, unprovable, probably false, and substantively don't rise to the level of a "case" against Trump.

Mass demurrers!

However, if a credible rape claim was made against Trump (a la Juanita Broaddrick), I would not ignore it.

JPS said...

Bay Area Guy:

"Think of me as the Boutros-Boutros Ghali of the commentariat."

This is just beyond awesome.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Thank you, Bay Area Guy

In 1978, as Arkansas Attorney General, Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaderick. It was covered up. End of inquiry.

Chuck writes: "And there's one for Trump, too. Trump's list is longer."

Yeah, I read them. They are broad, but not very deep. There's no claims of rape. Many are based on Trump walking into the Miss Universe dressing room un-announced. The horror!



Exactly. Bill raped women. Trump is not accused of rape. Tho - the liar hack-D press will probably dig someone up who is willing to lie.

eric said...

Riddle me this.

Suppose you believe both of these women.

Why was one paid to keep quiet and the other wasn't?

I happen to think they are both liars.

rcocean said...

"Funny how the media never, ever discussed JFK's many dalliances"

"Dalliances" - what a great word. Sorta classes up JFK going to bed with interns, hookers, gangster molls, and Hollywood Starlets. While President.

And remember the MSM self-righteous disdain for "looking into people private lives" when Bill Clinton was President? I can remember some TV News guy proclaiming he would stop talking about Monica Lewinsky - because it had no news value - and being applauded by all the liberals.

Mike Sylwester said...

Chuck at 10:19 AM
Look at what happened on this page.

Chuck, keep in mind that most people here do not attack you.

I myself agree with most of what you say.

Hagar said...

I think we are suffering from bimbo overload for some time, and this kind of stuff do not even register any more.

rcocean said...

The whole point of all this dredging up these 12 year old affairs, is:

1) Hurt Trump with Women voters;
2) Cause the FLOUTS personal humiliation and pain;
3) Send a message to Republicans. Get the MSM seal of approval or we will expose your private life and try to destroy you. So, watch your step.

Francisco D said...

Chuck said: " the Trump record of adultery and abuse is largely indistinguishable from the Clinton record of adultery and abuse."

Even the DNC would not put out such an obviously ridiculous statement. They may try to allude to it, but it is absurd on its face.

Juanita Broaderick and Kathleen Willey have been reached for comment, among others that Clinton raped, molested or otherwise abused.

Chuck said...

So, Bay Area Guy:

I see what you are doing. You are parsing the allegations and the alleged victims' credibility, based on some stray stuff you are seeing on the internet and making a judgment as to whose allegations might be better, or which ones have a good case if it ever went to court. Or etc., etc.

I'm not doing that. What I know of Clinton is enough to judge him a scumbag. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinski... It depends on what the definition of 'is' is..."

And what I know of Trump is enough to judge him a scumbag, just the same as Clinton. I didn't need Kathleen Willey, to know what a louse Clinton was. And I don't need Summer Zervos to know what a louse Trump is.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Flashback to the past, what Donald Trump thinks of Bill Clinton.

Days after President Clinton admitted to having an inappropriate relationship with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, Trump said Clinton was a “victim” and critiqued the physical appearances of various women with whom Clinton had been accused of having extramarital relations at different times.

“It’s like it's from hell, it's a terrible group of people,” Trump said in an interview with FOX News' Neil Cavuto on Aug. 19, 1998.

Asked by Cavuto if Clinton’s image as a “quasi-sex symbol” stood to somehow benefit from the alleged extramarital relations, Trump took issue with the characterization.

“I don't necessarily agree with his victims, his victims are terrible,” Trump said. “He is really a victim himself. But he put himself in that position.”

“The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it's just a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical," he said.

“Would it be any different if it were a supermodel crowd?” Cavuto then asked.

“I think at least it would be more pleasant to watch,” Trump replied.

Trump suggested that Clinton could have avoided the public relations fallout that followed his admission of "inappropriate" relations with Lewinsky had he stayed silent on the topic altogether, rather than initially denying the reports of an sexual relations only to later admit to a relationship.

“It's a shame, it's really a shame,” Trump said. “I've watched all my life politicians in New York, something gets brought up on them. I don't talk about my personal life. So what are you going to do? I don't talk about personal life.”

“They've taken nothing and made it a big monster,” Trump said in reference to the Lewinsky scandal. “I mean they've made Watergate out of really what should've been nothing.”

“I don't know if that's a good thing in terms of what Starr has done or a terrible thing, I think it's a terrible thing, actually,” Trump added, presumably referring to the former Whitewater independent counsel who expanded his investigation into the Lewinsky affair.

As far as his personal opinion of Clinton, Trump gave Clinton a strong rating.

“I think he's terrific. I think the guy's terrific. I just hate the way he tried to get out of this mess,” Trump said.

“In terms of myself, I love him as a president because business has been great, the economy's been booming. We have to give him credit,” he said.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flashback-donald-trump-called-bill-clintons-accusers-terrible/story?id=42686582

rcocean said...

Martha Gellhorn make a habit of going after other woman's husbands. She felt no shame about it, according to her, it was the wives fault for not being able to hold on to their husbands.

I wonder if that's a better attitude than the smarmy hypocrisy shown by this woman.

Rick said...

Remember the good old days when left wingers claimed to believe sex was a private matter even when it occurred in the Oval Office?

Good times.

Chuck said...

Mike Sylwester said...
Chuck at 10:19 AM
Look at what happened on this page.

Chuck, keep in mind that most people here do not attack you.

I myself agree with most of what you say.


You are probably right, and you're definitely correct to remind me of that. I thank you. I try to be careful about noting "some" abusive members of this commentariat, but I am just not as careful about that phenomenon as I should be all the time.


The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Chuck said...
“Fuck you ignorant shit heads.”

Damn, Chuck. Hitting the bottle kind of early, aren’t you?
The Democrats and LLRs think they can rewind the culture back to the ‘50’s but, alas, the more they talk about the ostensibly scandalous the more they normalize it. Perhaps this is an attempt to peel White, college-educated, pro-choice, feminist, middle-class, Boomer women from the Republican Party. Next up, Democrats make a bid for the Black vote...

rcocean said...

And just to repeat:

Clinton didn't get impeached for having an affair with Lewinsky.

He got impeached for lying under oath about it.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

The Married Man

Apropos of the CNN interview. Just a bit of remorse, a tear on the eyelash...

walter said...

Inga's into recycling:
Inga said...

“Get this: She was ashamed of a 10 month , 5 times a month sexual affair with a good and loving, intelligent man only because he was married.”

It’s not Trump’s fault that he is so full of love that one woman wouldn’t be able to handle all that love,💕 so he has pity for his wife and takes a mistress, or two or three. In the words of the Pointer Sisters, what a man, what a man, what a man, what a mighty good man!

3/22/18, 9:27 PM

Bay Area Guy said...

@Chuck,

I'm not doing that. What I know of Clinton is enough to judge him a scumbag. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinski... It depends on what the definition of 'is' is..."

And what I know of Trump is enough to judge him a scumbag, just the same as Clinton. I didn't need Kathleen Willey, to know what a louse Clinton was. And I don't need Summer Zervos to know what a louse Trump is.


As an aside, "scumbag" was the slang term for condoms way back when. "scum" = "come" + "bag" = But I digress.

The issue is NOT whether Clinton and Trump are both scumbags in the eyes of Chuck.

It is more nuanced.

The issue is whether Clinton is a rapist, who had the entire machinery of the Dem Party and major media cover-it up. Answer: yes.

The next issue is whether that same machinery is being employed to target Trump on far lesser charges. Answer: yes.

So, I am merely pointing out that the current "Get Trump" Squad had an earlier incarnation as the "Protect Clinton" Squad.

That helps frame the actual evidence we see from the likes of Ms. McDougal, Ms. Stormy Daniels, and all these other attractive, and helpless young woman.

That's all.

Tom said...

Trump made $10 billion dollars! Why do you think that is - to bang hot chicks! Damn near every human achievement has been fueled by this drive. I think we all knew that for years and didn’t care.

Michael K said...

These bimbo eruptions are just noise. The threat to Trump is Congress and that spending bill. That will suck all the enthusiasm out of GOP voters and we will have impeachment follies all next year. It won ' t happen but nothing else will, either.

Rick said...

Send a message to Republicans. Get the MSM seal of approval or we will expose your private life and try to destroy you. So, watch your step.

The #1 answer!

It helps if you imagine this in Richard Dawson's voice.

buwaya said...

As noted, Trump himself was dismissive about Clintons taste in women. Not sufficiently spectacular and the circumstances much too grubby.

Trumps tastes seem to mirror his tastes in architecture and housekeeping.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga's into recycling:
Inga said...”

Yes! Waste not want not.

Chuck said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
...
...
Exactly. Bill raped women. Trump is not accused of rape. Tho - the liar hack-D press will probably dig someone up who is willing to lie.

Bill Clinton has been accused of rape. By women noted above. In testimony under oath.

Donald Trump was accused of rape (in addition to other gradations of sexual assault) by his ex-wife Ivanka Trump. In sworn testimony. She recanted it, in conjunction with her divorce settlement. But before that, she testified that way, under oath, and used the word "rape," and described circumstances that would have amounted to rape.


Snark said...

The boundless energy many put into conning themselves out of the reality of the present moment in the United States is astounding. Bill Clinton is not president, and the Olympics won't be in Atlanta this summer. Anybody waiting on Nirvana tickets might want to sit down - I've got some tough news.

walter said...

Yeah..pretty proud of that one, eh?
Twice is Nice!

AllenS said...

Chuck said...
Fuck you ignorant shit heads.

Be careful, Chuck, because I once said: "Fuck off, Chuck", and The Althouse Woman deleted that comment and some others.

walter said...

"Anybody waiting on Nirvana tickets might want to sit down - I've got some tough news."
Wait..what?
Shit!

Rick said...

I myself agree with most of what you say.

If you found yourself agreeing with a clock that always showed noon wouldn't is suggest you need to understand reality better?

etienne said...

My mother told me to never bring a woman with a large clitoris into your home.

5M said...

Re: Chuck. When I see Chuck-Drago, Drago-Chuck... I usually TLDR. That seems like personal karma being worked out between them. At least Chuck will argue a point. I don’t really understand the hate that rolls from post to post. In the compuserve days I troll warred posters until the threads flamed out and moderators closed them. It didn’t achieve much except I realized I was paying too much for something that made me angry. But addictive. I always think though on this blog that this is just good natured polite lawyerly exchanges above my pay grade.

walter said...

Ok..I'll just go to a Bel Biv Devoe show.

Rick said...

Bill Clinton is not president, and the Olympics won't be in Atlanta this summer. Anybody waiting on Nirvana tickets might want to sit down - I've got some tough news.

People point out the left is judging by standards they have previously disavowed and left wingers respond by noting they're being applied to different people.

Apparently they think this is a defense.

Howard said...

Inga: Thanks for the link to Phoebe Snow. What a voice!

Howard said...

Etienne for the win

walter said...

[If I were you I'd take pre-]
(-caution)
Before I start to meet fly girl, you know?
Cause in some (portions)
You'll think she's the best thing in the world

She's so - (fly)
She'll drive you right out of your mind
And steal your heart when you're blind
Beware she's schemin', she'll make you think you're dreamin'
YOU'LL fall in love and you'll be screamin', demon, HOO..That girl is (poison)...
Never trust a big butt and smile
That girl is (poison)..
("POISON!!")

Drago said...

LLR and #StrongDemDefender Chuck: "Fuck you ignorant shit heads.

Don't start in with me, saying that I am defending Clinton, or that I am pro-Clinton. I'm not"

LOL

"Bowe Bergdahl Republican" Chuck takes time out from deflecting from and minimizing Bill Clintons actions while advancing lefty narratives daily to complain that others can't help but notice that he is deflecting from and minimizing the transgressions of dems while advancing lefty narratives daily.

You should feel free to draw obvious conclusions.

William said...

Do concubines have a status ladder? If so, do Playmates of the Year rank higher than pornstars? Maybe she felt betrayed, when she read of Trump's affair with a porn star. "I'm not that kind of girl". Playmates marry rich men all the time. Porn stars die of overdoses..........I think her ultimate career goal was to marry someone rich and successful. Probably still is, but someone with celebrity or billionaire status might be beyond her reach. In that league, she's more a concubine than a marriage prospect. Still, she's very good looking and when you're that good looking, you have a knock out puncher's chance of winning the bout......I wonder if all this publicity will help or hinder her when she negotiates the pre nup the in her marriage. If I were super rich, I would be wary about entering into an affair with her......I thank Althouse for framing all those quests that weren't asked during the Anderson Cooper interview. You can debate all you want the comparative sleaze quotient between Clinton and Trump, but one thing that is indisputable is that Trump gets treated far more harshly than Clinton by the media..... .I'd like to see a follow up story on Susan McDougal. Does she think that her current seven figure salary with the Clinton Foundation is sufficient recompense for the time she spent in jail.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Inga: Thanks for the link to Phoebe Snow. What a voice!”

Yes she has an ethereal quality to her voice and combined with Linda Ronstadt’s earthy robust voice...just amazing.

Rick said...

do Playmates of the Year rank higher than pornstars?

It depends on when they were Playmates, was it during the Bush era?

Bill R said...

Aristotle Onassis (Jackie Kennedy's billionaire husband) once said, "If it weren't for women, all the money in the world wouldn't mean shit"

And he should know.

buwaya said...

There should be a law creating an official position for mistresses of men in power (for Senators and some rarefied GS-levels, and Major-Generals in the Army, etc.) in the Federal Government. The job is at will, without Civil Service regulations, but it will come with a housing allowance, medical and retirement benefits.

Other countries manage these things with smooth informality, but the legality-obsessed US is eventually going to need laws, of course, as it usually does for any and all aspects of human nature.

Gospace said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

"he wanted me, and I'm such a dumb idiot, I gave myself to him."

All these women had sex willingly. Unlike Bill's victims.


First comment to make this relevant point. None of Trump's accusers, if that's the proper name, are victims. Each and every one is a willing participant. Anyone with half a brain paying even the slightest bit of attention knew Trump wasn't a saint when it came to women and sex. So where's the scandal that's going to turn off Trump voters?

MayBee said...

CNN will not be happy until they get a divorce out of Melania.

Drago said...

I haven't seen Chuck this giddy since Nov 7, 2016, when he thought Hillary would win in a landslide and the dems would take the Senate and the House.

On one level it's good that he is so happy. It returns him to those moments prior to Nov 8, 2016 when he postured as a Master of the Universe in terms of electoral understanding and sophistication by association.

Such heady, heady days those were!

Drago said...

"First comment to make this relevant point. None of Trump's accusers, if that's the proper name, are victims."

Shhhhh.

That kind of talk is triggering to LLR Chuck.

Rick said...

an extended comic rant in which Trump's penis was likened to a divining rod...

We need an analogy which incorporates the sorting mechanism triggered by his bank account. It's a two step process.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Ooooo, Hahahaha! Trump is holding a news conference within the hour to discuss threat of veto of the Omnibus Bill! He wants Wall Street to have a total melt down I suppose.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Everyone likes Bill Clinton. The entire democratic left, AND Trump!

William said...

If it turns out that Trump had a previously undisclosed sexual relationship with John Bolton, that would influence my vote. This not so much.

walter said...

The 'Stache from the past..

Howard said...

Trump to veto because he wants to save the Dreamers!

walter said...

Well, Howard..chaining them to the wall..so to speak

Charlie said...

Why is doing a 1-hour interview about your affair with the woman's husband the right thing to do? You're hurting her again, and you are hurting the child, Barron. What's the explanation? It doesn't make sense to me unless she is in league with anti-Trump forces or she just wants to make more money.

Confession is a powerful antidote to guilt. She is apparently trying to change her lifestyle. She's been the target of media gossip that paints her in a very bad light, and by telling her story (confession) she hopes to show that she's not a bad person. She did a bad thing, but she thought she did it for love. She has a conscience and wrestled with the damage she was doing to Trump's marriage. She realizes now the full import of her sin and she apologizes in public, because the stories about her are very public. She wants us to know she is not a bad person, and a public confession is the only way (she thinks) to rebuild her reputation. It doesn't literally follow any Christian text, but if she's sincere, it is a very Christian act of confession and repentance.

I agree, though, that in attempting to repair her own reputation she has caused great pain to Melania and Baron. She should have gone to Melania personally, privately, and then ridden out the media pressures in silence. Hard to do, though.

Martin said...

There is a legitimate story here, but it is not about Trump and McDougal except as exemplars of how our cultural norms have collapsed and we don't have clue what constitutes right behavior any more. This sould just as easily have been about Bill Clinton and Paula Jones or Kathleen Willey, or... At least Trump didn't kill her like Ted Kennedy did to Kopechne, or forcibly rape her like Clinton did to Broadrick. So McDougal had an affair with a man she knew was married, in the home he shared with his wife and daughter, which in a sane world would be shameful for both of them, but somehow she becomes a heroine for ratting out the man and holding his wife and child up to embarrassment?

I do not absolve Trump for his immoral (quaint word) behavior, but this is insane except as a political assault, and is evil in any case.

This rot was apparent to anyone who ever saw even 5 minutes of the Jerry Springer Show, 10-15 yrs ago. Or even some of Dr. Phil's segments on Oprah. The idea of such perversity being "entertaining"... well, ugh!

Was Osama bin Laden so wrong to think that western pop culture was a threat to Muslim "family" values? If so, exactly how?

Chuck said...

Drago said...
I haven't seen Chuck this giddy since Nov 7, 2016, when he thought Hillary would win in a landslide and the dems would take the Senate and the House.


I never wrote that. What I wrote in the fall of 2016 is that the good work of grass roots Republicans had set up an invulnerable majority in the House, thanks in large part to state-level Republican redistricting.

And I predicted, almost to the number, that Republicans would hold the Senate with 52 to 54 votes as a majority.

I predicted that Trump would lose in a landslide only because my personal loathing of him was such that I could not imagine any swing voters voting for him. I expected Trump to be beaten so badly in the women's vote, and I never expected that black turnout would be as dismal as it was. Before the election, I called Hillary the worst Democrat nominee since Al Smith.

But your talking shit about me in this way; I don't want to converse with you. I don't with to engage you. I want you and the other readers here to know that if I deign to respond to "Drago" here, it is because he has written something so demonstrably false that can be determined from little more than a search of past comments on this blog. As is the case this time.

This is "clutter" for Althouse. You are creating clutter.

roesch/voltaire said...

I just wish Trump could be as open with his tax returns as he is with his affairs, but I guess his voters care more about his stud qualities than than his tax deferments.

Snark said...

"First comment to make this relevant point. None of Trump's accusers, if that's the proper name, are victims. Each and every one is a willing participant. Anyone with half a brain paying even the slightest bit of attention knew Trump wasn't a saint when it came to women and sex. So where's the scandal that's going to turn off Trump voters?"

The most important part of this story to me is the catch and kill by American Media Inc. and the direct hush money to Stormy Daniels. It is reasonable to think that there are other stories out there, similarly suppressed in one way or another, and I think the turn off comes when the reality of how compromised he may be and who may hold all that theoretical leverage sinks in. Sex is one thing, his financial dealings a whole other.

readering said...

One point in common between Karen and Melania. They were both relatively old when turned to nude modeling--Mid to late twenties. Usually can put these decisions down to immature thinking. But they weren't kids when decided that was a good employment route. That and terrible taste in men.

readering said...

Some comments here about William Jefferson Clinton and women. What's that all about?

Antiantifa said...

How fucking weak this woman is. She was not attracted to Trump. she felt "a little knife in her heart" when she slept with him. What's wrong with her? Why the hell didn't she just walk away? Good Lord, where is accountability? Where is free will?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Chuck, Drago just snorts too much Trump. That’s what happens to one’s brain on Trump. Just say no.

walter said...

"Was Osama bin Laden so wrong to think"
You're treading into a Godwin rule sort of territory here.

Francisco D said...

I may consider partially equating Donald Trump with Bill Clinton's sexual behavior under the following scenario:

POTUS Trump gets up in front of a national audience, looking righteously serious, pointing his finger like a preacher giving a sermon and says "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Uh. You know. The one with the big boobs."

Later, Ms. Daniels indicates that Mr. Trump ejaculated on her blouse. Robert Mueller finds out and subpoenas all her clothing for DNA testing. He finds 437 different DNA samples and requests another $100 million for testing. The DNC/MSM complex demands a special appropriations bill to fund the request. RINOs accede to the universal pressure.

Testing does not show any Trump DNA because he knows how to control himself in that regard, maybe not in other regards, but ...

hombre said...

Charlie: “Confession is a powerful antidote to guilt. She is apparently trying to change her lifestyle.... It doesn’t literally follow any Christian text, but if she is sincere, it is a very Christian act of confession and repentance.”

What nonsense! Christians confess to God, not to CNN. It won’t do to conflate pop psychology with Christianity here. Many of us actually understand Christian doctrine.

Chuck said...


Question: Did Althouse ever comment on Trump's having invited the Clinton accusers (Jones, Willey, Broaddrick) to the October '16 campaign townhall debate? Didn't Trump try to use his own event-allocated VIP box, for purposes of seating them?

I tried to find some reaction from Althouse at the time, or shortly thereafter, and couldn't find anything.

buwaya said...

This is psychology, not Christian doctrine.
Christian doctrine deliberately runs against the human grain.

buwaya said...

"How fucking weak this woman is. She was not attracted to Trump. she felt "a little knife in her heart" when she slept with him. What's wrong with her? Why the hell didn't she just walk away? Good Lord, where is accountability? Where is free will?"

Welcome to the entire history of humanity.

The point of a liberal education, especially in its absolute core, history, is to instruct people, especially those likely to become leaders, in the ways of human nature.

Drago said...
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JPS said...

readering:

"Some comments here about William Jefferson Clinton and women. What's that all about?"

Seems appropriate. The Clintons are masters of the "Everyone does it" defense that elides key differences.

Presidents having affairs? Hey, did you hear General Eisenhower may have had an affair with his driver Mrs. Summersby? And what about Livingston and Gingrich?

E-mailing government business from personal accounts? Secretary Powell, you're on the air.

First major party candidate under FBI investigation? Hey, FBI, we're hearing some really disturbing rumors you might want to look into.

And now Trump, who as Inga points out supported and admired Bill Clinton, is the guy who drives the other side crazy, demanding to know where the outrage is.

"You, all right? I learned it by watching you!"

hombre said...

JFK, LBJ, Slick Willy, Teddy, reputedly GHWB, all philanders who used the power of their offices to seduce, or worse.

Trump was a private citizen who evidently attracted women with money. Whores abide. Big deal!

Drago said...

LLR Chuck is starting to panic that perhaps, just perhaps, all the dem/lefty attacks on Trump regarding his relationships is simply not going to be enough to get over the impeachment hump.

And with the total collapse of the dem/lefty hoax collusion charge and the apparent reality that AG Sessions did indeed, quietly, appoint an actual non-DC based DOJ prosecutor to work hand in glove with the Inspector General, the dem/lefty/LLR Chuck fever dream of Muh Mueller! is not going to get there.

Further, per the DOJ statement from yesterday, it's also apparent that non-DC based prosecutor has empaneled a Grand Jury. Yikes. That's not going to help the deep staters. At all.

No wonder all of LLR Chuck's beloved deep state coup plotters have been so very quiet (Rybicki, Priestap, Strzok, Page, both Ohr's, Baker, etc.)

And that Flynn charge isn't going to survive the barest scrutiny.

So now LLR Chuck and his lefty operational allies are left to the gal narratives.

Hence, LLR Chuck's rather sad performance today.

Drago said...

I find the lefty lunatic Inga/LLR Chuck alliance to be both utterly predictable and, really, quite adorable.

Those 2 kids make a great operationally aligned couple. And I congratulate them.

It's not often one finds one's political soulmate at such a late date in the arc of one's life.

hombre said...

Chuck Channeling Schumer: “Question: Did Althouse ever comment on Trump's having invited the Clinton accusers (Jones, Willey, Broaddrick) to the October '16 campaign townhall debate? Didn't Trump try to use his own event-allocated VIP box, for purposes of seating them?”

Is it really possible that you don’t see the difference?

Drago said...

hombre: "Is it really possible that you don’t see the difference?"

The left and LLR Chuck NEED you to not see any difference in order to advance the lefty narrative of the day.

Hence #StrongDemDefender Chucks comments.

And if it is possible to minimize that which Bill Clinton has already been found legally culpable, well that's just gravy for Vichy Chuck.

buwaya said...

An interesting point, in various commentaries on the Catholic rite of exorcism (such as Malachi Martin's), a warning not to engage in conversation with the entity. As the evil spirit will, in the struggle against the rite, throw the exorcists own sins at him.

We are all sinners and so cannot, ever, do battle against evil as its opposite.

n.n said...

It was neither involuntary nor superior exploitation, therefore it is not a first-order societal concern. Adultery is a religious/moral issue, between the adulterer and God, between the adulterer and spouse. Today, religion or morality is a matter of progressive or declining interest, other than to exploit for political or social leverage. The anti-Christians are not only targeting Trump, but hope to lay a trap so that that they may, once again, call the deplorables bigots (i.e. sanctimonious hypocrites).

That said, distinguishing between involuntary, superior, and consensual relationships is not Pro-Choice (i.e. selective, opportunistic, congruent), but it is religious/moral, rational, and practical.

hombre said...

What troubles me here is that, along with the already political pollution of the courts by Democrats the DNC/MSM is now enabling these bimbos as they shred contractual rights. Not that I am opposed to hypocritical lawyers being hoisted on their own petards, but our survival does seem tied to being a nation of laws.

Drago said...

hombre: "What troubles me here is that, along with the already political pollution of the courts by Democrats the DNC/MSM is now enabling these bimbos as they shred contractual rights."

This is nothing new.

LLR Chuck's "magnificent" obama won a couple of offices in part by getting some dem operatives in judges robes to violate agreements.

n.n said...

It sounds like McDougal either lacks agency, or she made a Choice, she pursued pleasure, she pursued wealth... she progressed? she regrets?

buwaya said...

"Not that I am opposed to hypocritical lawyers being hoisted on their own petards, but our survival does seem tied to being a nation of laws."

The law (the legal process) is a system of rituals overlaid on a cultural consensus.
When that consensus breaks down the laws become irrelevant.
That's why "Silent enim leges inter arma".
No matter what the belligerents pretend.

Chuck said...

Drago you keep asserting that I somehow thought, or think that Obama was, or is, “magnificent.”

Once again, I think you are misquoting or, more likely, mischaracterizing me. I really don’t know what it is that you are stalking me with this time. I don’t think much of Obama. Nothing, that is, like our hostess Ann Althouse,

I’ve asked you to quote me and link to the context before on this. I don’t think you’ve ever backed it up.

Dixie_Sugarbaker said...

When I hear the sexual allegations made against Trump, I see him as Richard Dawson of Family Feud game. Richard was hugging and kissing on all the ladies, and I see Trump in the same mold.

Drago said...

#StrongDemDefender Chuck: "Drago you keep asserting that I somehow thought, or think that Obama was, or is, “magnificent.”

"magnificent" is a word you used to describe obama.

"brilliant" is a word you used to describe Maddow.

You do that alot. Then deny it. You probably consider yourself a "subtle" pusher of lefty narratives.

LOL. Not so much.

Just another "day in the life" for LLR Chuck.

tcrosse said...

Meanwhile we can bad-mouth Facebook for having stolen our Privacy.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Althouse has an interesting feminist sense to always find the angle that blames the woman. Where's the feminism in the sensibility that giving this interview works to "humiliate the man's wife and child." It is humiliating to Donald Trump, that's my sensibility.

Rick said...

Althouse has an interesting feminist sense to always find the angle that blames the woman.

Claiming the woman is humiliated doesn't blame the woman but rather frames her as the victim.

William said...

I wonder if Karen is pissed because Stormy got a more lucrative settlement. That doesn't seem fair. Karen was a Playmate of theYear whilst Stormy was just a porn star. Lese majeste. I think I can reassure her on that point. The fact that she received less money than Stormy is in no way reflective of her value as a human being. It is, somewhat parodoxically, rather more an indication of her superior worth vis a vis Stormy. As scandals go, it's not all that shocking that a guy who married a fashion model would hanker after a centerfold model. Karen was in the kosher part of the garden of delights. Stormy was in the low rent area and, precisely because of that, her scandal was worth more.......The final reckoning has not been made. Karen was a far more discreet about revealing salacious details than Stormy. Perhaps she'll get more money for the book deal and movie rights than Stormy......My gut tells me that Stormy might have a more interesting story, but that movie producers might be hesitant about telling it. Karen's story can readily be fit into the Lifetime movie proscenium. I think ultimately Karen will make the better haul, but the story has had some surprising turns.

William said...

I voted for Trump. None of this makes me regret my vote. However, if the stock market keeps tanking, I say impeach his ass. My loyalty to Trump is at about the same level as that of Karen and Stormy.

Ralph L said...

Is she any relation to Jim and Susan McDougal?

etienne said...

"impeach his ass"

Doesn't anyone get U.S. Government in grade school anymore?

Has the education system in the USA become that big of a shooting-barrel shithole?

chuck said...

Ain't nobody got no class these days? Pamela Harriman could teach them a thing or two.

buwaya said...

"Has the education system in the USA become that big of a shooting-barrel shithole?"

Well, yes, long ago. And its your fault you know.

Michael said...

Gee, William, you want to impeach the sitting president because of the stock market's recent decline? You do know, do you not, that the DOW was below 19000 the day after Trump was elected? But you want to file articles of impeachment against the president because of ....what? What exactly?

Just a hunch, here, but I do not think you voted for Trump and I do not think you know what you are talking about.

But, peace, and good luck as you navigate the ups and downs of the financial markets.

William said...

I did vote for a Trump. His first year was successful,and I don't regret my vote. Maybe he's proposing the higher tariffs with China to stake out a bargaining position and maybe all will come right in the end. I certainly hope so, and I don't think it's beyond his skill set. If it all gangs agly, however, I'll abandon ship. My attraction and commitment to Trump is no deeper than was that of Stormy.

William said...

I did put some money in the market after Trump was elected, so I demonstrably know more about the market than some Nobel Prize. wInning economists.

Michael said...

William

OK, but why the impeachment bullshit tied to the market? Do you really and truly believe that impeaching "his ass" is a mature or studied response to anything other than his love life? Is that your real beef with him? Or do you believe the market is going to zero because of his tariff talk? Would like a little color on your desire for impeachment. I find that those who utter the word or honestly think it a viable option are unhinged and only a moment away from typing in all caps.

William said...

The level of hubris JFK had led him to bonk Mafia molls and unstable Hollywood celebrities. That same hubris led him to committing American forces to Vietnam and overthrowing the Diem government. He, nonetheless, attracted and continues to attract love and devotion from his admirers......I don't think Trump has screwed up yet, but his past life leads me to believe that he is quite capable of a massive screw up. Less than that of Hillary, of course, but still massive.

William said...

No, I don't think Trump should be impeached because of past sexual misalliances. It was a joke. I do, however, think that drowning campaign volunteers is cause for impeachment. I certainly hope he doesn't do that.

Tank said...

It,s just sex.

And fun.

Entertainment.

Jim at said...

Fuck you ignorant shit heads.

Come for the content. Stay for the meltdowns.

Sebastian said...

Didn't make it all the way through the "interview," or the comments. But, with profuse apologies to the interviewee, I'm afraid I can't take her confession too seriously, unfortunately, not after she talked about being attracted to Trump's "posture."

Freeman Hunt said...

We already knew Trump wasn't great about marriage. "I also cheat and lie about marriage." Is this a new kind of #metoo?

tim in vermont said...

In the immortal words of John F. Kennedy, “Dead broads tell no tales.” Trump is an amateur, he uses lawyers instead of “wet work” specialists at the CIA. If she were dishing on Bill Clinton, right now the media would be balls to the wall attacking her for being a nut or a slut.

FullMoon said...

Late to the party, so probably already said:
These revelations piss off women. Men take it in stride, assuming Melania and Trump have an understanding.

Also, women think this model is a bitch for doing this to Melania and the kid.

It is for the money, or the lawyer convinced her it was somehow the right thing to do.

FullMoon said...

...or, simple woman scorned.

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Michael K said...


Ain't nobody got no class these days? Pamela Harriman could teach them a thing or two.


There is literally no one who fucked her way to the top with more savoir faire than Pamela.

Tye bimbos are just hookers.

cf said...

Scott Adams today very calmly called Anderson Cooper a "fucking piece of shit" for being part of this "Special". This is not like him. It was in the middle of his morning Periscope you can watch from twitter, and he made a persuasive case, essentially calling cooper a "bitch" that sexually abused Melania Trump in public with this gratuitous production.

May we all survive this "by any means necessary" Coup.

Chuck said...

Well Drago now I know you are mischaracterizing me because I never generalized that Rachel Maddow was “brilliant.” You know better, and you’re misleading these readers and I know that you’re doing it deliberately because I’ve called you out on this before. You know very well that I said I was no fan or admirer of Maddow but that one interview that she did with Kellyanne Conway was “brilliant” in part for the questions, and in part for Conway’s adroit answers. I thought that Conway was demolished in the end but not for lack of skill on her part. It was because Conway was having to answer for Trump in the way that Trump can’t and usually won’t.

I wrote all of that when the interview aired.

Months later, the Emmys were announced and that particular interview won in its news category. (Outstanding Live Interview.) The whole industry thought it was “brilliant,” obviously, as I had written here on the Althouse comments pages long before any Emmy nominations were contemplated.

There’s never been another time where I complimented Rachel Maddow, much less having generally praised her as “brilliant” the way that you implied here.

So now these readers know what a despicable little liar you are and how you tried to twist my words. You weird, sick cyber-stalker.

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