1. I'll put up comments if any occur to me, continuing a numbered list.
2. The "undercard" is up now, and it seems they're trying to make Rick Santorum cry... and succeeding.
3. Over on CNN, they're showing the long line for the Trump event and enthusing over Trump. I think CNN is showing that event, so it will be interesting to see the ratings.
4. Well, we drifted away from the undercard. We were actually watching "Kennedy" (on Fox Business!). Drifted back in time to hear the closing statements. Gilmour was testily denouncing Trump. Absurd! It ended, and they said the big debate wasn't going to be on for another hour. What! It's not on until 9 Central Time? That's crazy late. That's 10 on the East Coast. I don't know about you, but I have been up since 3:30 a.m. I can't wait another hour just for that damned thing to start. I'll record. It can be checked out tomorrow. Keep the discussion alive in the comments if you can. My son, John Althouse Cohen, tells me he'll be live-blogging. That will be here, so check that out when the time comes. I'm retreating into private life until tomorrow's pre-dawn. See you then or whenever you get up and onto the internet. Good luck to the candidates. I hope you can find something un-Trump-related to say, and I hope Trump can shake things up from the other side of Des Moines.
5. I mean Gilmore. Did you notice?
6. Comfortably numb....
7. Oh! I was wrong. It did start at 8 Central. I have the recording. Damn. I'm going to give it a look. Can't promise I'll say anything.
8. Lots of empty seats in the audience. First question is to Cruz, asking him about the "elephant not in the room." Cruz does some intro. He has children. Blah blah. Then: "I'm a maniac. And everyone on this stage is stupid, fat, and ugly. And Ben Carson, you're a terrible surgeon. Now that we've gotten the Donald Trump portion out of the way...."
9. I watched a bit. Thought the guys minus Trump worked well for them. It seemed more human scale. And yet, I didn't stay long. Switched to Trump's event and hung out there, even though, actually, it was rather boring.
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137 comments:
Hi Ann. We want lots of comments.
They should boot Rick Santorum from the undercard too. Nice guy, but no business running for Prez.
I am surprised they are keeping a seat warm for Trump, and making no bones about it. Hungry for ratings much Fox?
gilmore shows up late to the party to complain about not getting enough airtime.
There are some incredibly aggressive questions for the under-card team.
santorum is already repeating himself. "bring back jobs from china to protect the environment". not a terrible point but we've already heard it. it's these pre-canned spiels that are turning people away from political candidates and toward trump's stream-of-conciousness speaking style.
carly:"MEOW!"...and i mean that in a good way.
Santorum missed his calling. Should have gone into the priesthood. Would have been a bishop by now.
Fiorina for Sec State.
carly should have a seat at the adult table. the others here might as well have been snowed-in with santorum's wife and kids.
As I recall, in 2012, Romney was "declared" the winner of the Iowa caucus, but several weeks later it was determined that Santorum actually won it. He wuz robbed!
ugh...o'reilly patting himself on the back for interviewing trump last night. time for a shower (literally and figuratively)
Why is Kasich still being heard at the main event, and Fiorina is relegated to the undercard debate? Why is Jeb? There are several on the big stage who pale in comparison to Fiorina.
Carly needs a bigger cross necklace-I could barely see it.
Along with Paul and Bush, all of these undercard guys need to pack it in. They have ZERO chance of being nominated, or even asked to be a running mate. The exception is (the gal) Fiorina, who exhibits an impressive intensity, command of detail, and big-picture view of the challenges faced by the country. Unlike a most of the aforementioned guys (a.k.a. career politicians), she inspires confidence.
That is one old fat white group at the Trump Gala.
More chins in that crowd than a chinese phonebook.
I bet it smells like manure in that place.
Titus said...
"That is one old fat white group at the Trump Gala.
More chins in that crowd than a chinese phonebook.
I bet it smells like manure in that place."
You are a racist faggot. Suck Ebola dick and die, shitwad.
O'Reilly is a lot younger than I am - in years - but man, he is getting old.
Carly kicks ass. Would love to see her and Hillary on same stage. She said if her husband was like Bill, he would be long gone. Media gonna investigate him now in order to attack her.
Rupert's minions attack Trump with the first question.
"I'm a maniac and everyone on this stage is stupid, fat, and ugly. And Ben, you're a terrible surgeon."
Brilliant, Mr. Cruz
You are a racist faggot. Suck Ebola dick and die, shitwad.
Whoa!! I find it beneficial to stop commenting after my 4th bourbon-n-7.
Just a note: C-SPAN1 is also airing the Trump rally.
/OT
I saw a moment or two of the "undercard debate" and wondered who the hell that guy was. That was Gilmore ? Who's he ?
I am avoiding the Trumpless debate.
I am much more interested that the cause of schizophrenia has been discovered.
This is huge news. Much more important than the debate.
Trump rally is here.
Can future debates either get rid of the audience, or tell them to refrain from reacting.
madAsHell, I'm stone-cold sober. I don't need alcohol to speak my mind.
Michael K said...
I am much more interested that the cause of schizophrenia has been discovered.
I agree, this was remarkable progress, but it is important not to overstate the case - a gene linked to a modest (25%) increase in risk was discovered. Still, to go from essentially nothing to something tangible is the hardest step and this was apparently a remarkable advance.
Trump's criticism of Cruz is that people don't like him, so he can't make deals and he might not be eligible to be President because he was born in Canada and was a Canadian citizen until a year ago. Trump didn't call him a maniac.
Cruz doesn't do comedy well.
Ted Cruz is coming off like a condescending asshole. Princeton and Harvard Law attitude.
Rubio would do well in the general election. He's likeable and comes across sincere.
Megan is a beauty. How many tuned in to get a look at the woman who caused the controversy?
False eyelashes though? And nightclub eyeshadow? Titus, weigh in here !
Uh-oh, she said "back door entry" Laslo?
The reason why oligarchs like Murdoch hate Trump is not simply because of the immigration issue, he is the only politician who effectively rips the mask off the relationship between big money and the actions of politicians. He has credibility because he has played the game himself. He is remarkably frank about this issue in a way I have never heard from any other politician.
Althouse whether you are feigning boredom or if you are really ignoring this Republican debate, you are missing a good one. The debate I always wanted to see, Trump-free.
No wonder no one likes Cruz.
Chuck,
She's asleep. Early to bed, early to rise.
Cruz health plan is the same as McCain's in 2008.
No plan on covering pre-existing conditions.
Did Cruz actually say that? It doesn't come across in print very well. Did it seem better in person?
Cruz is awesome. He gives a step by step way to dismantle O-care, and has the step by step private plan to replace it. Trump or Cruz, I'm on board. Oh sorry, no Trump stuff.
Let's be very clear about Megyn Kelly.
She didn't cause the dustup with Trump. The excuse of "Megyn Kelly" for Trump's avoiding the debate is phony. Read the Trump official statement on why he bailed. It doesn't mention her name, and it offers no specifics as to why Trump thinks he was treated badly. Instead, Trump talked about that weird motivation as to not wanting to help the Fox News Channel make money.
No; what really happened is that some former Reagan guys like Roger Stone and Jeff Lord thought they'd take a page from their dusty Reagan playbooks and get Trump to check out of the last Iowa debate just like Ronnie did in 1980.
That's it. Trump is playing "pre-vent."
Looking in on The Donald's revue. Thanks for steering me to CSPAN, as CNN is only using it in the background as a 'prop' to talk about other stuff. It's not in HD? Weak.
"Did Cruz actually say that?"
No.
Reagan later said it was a mistake to miss that last debate. He fired his campaign staff after that and brought on Ed Meese. March Levin was talking about it. He is very against Trump.
Cruz was excellent on repealing Obamacare. Oops, Limited Blogger beat me to it.
chuck said...
Let's be very clear about Megyn Kelly.
She didn't cause the dustup with Trump. The excuse of "Megyn Kelly" for Trump's avoiding the debate is phony. Read the Trump official statement on why he bailed. It doesn't mention her name, and it offers no specifics as to why Trump thinks he was treated badly. Instead, Trump talked about that weird motivation as to not wanting to help the Fox News Channel make money.
No; what really happened is that some former Reagan guys like Roger Stone and Jeff Lord thought they'd take a page from their dusty Reagan playbooks and get Trump to check out of the last Iowa debate just like Ronnie did in 1980.
That's it. Trump is playing "pre-vent."
Megan gets pulled, Trump shows up. Simple as that..Fox put out a statement an hour ago reiterating they "stand by their reporters"
More likely because Rupert Murdoch has been talking to the "Supdernanny from New York" about getting into the race.
The 'Megyn Kelly debate show, with various politicos' is quite good. She should get offered a job by ABC or CBS.
The Flint Water crisis is perfect example that many of the day to day workers in the federal, state, and local government -- who are protected by civil service laws and/or collective bargaining agreements -- don't do their jobs and can't be fired.
The answer to the question, which Kasich botched, is that the US military is not unionized or protected by collective bargaining and civil service laws because the military needs to be flexible and efficient to serve an important function of government. The government at any level, federal, state, or local, should only perform important functions. If it's not important, the government shouldn't do it.
The government is not a job programs. But that's what it's become. And that's why we have incidents like the Flint Water crisis. If people want to ensure good schools, safe neighborhoods, and clean water then we need to be flexible and efficient. Government employees should be easy to hire, promote, and fire. If not, then keep expecting the incompetent government services from career government workers who have no accountability.
The Trump show looks crazy. Diamond and Silk are on stage with The Donald now, and some rowdy protesters are screaming. Total carnival. But all positive for Trump. The debating is over. Let's start voting.
Whoah..clip montage of Cruz on immigration? New "debate" component?
Rubio should have used the phrase "secure the border" instead of what he did. (I don't even remember what his phrase was, something like fixing our illegal immigration system.) I liked his point that this has to come first. "Comprehensive immigration reform" will never happen--I hope.
"walter said... Whoah..clip montage of Cruz on immigration? New "debate" component?"
Yeah those clips are new and pretty devastating. Hope that is a component during the general election debates.
AReasonableMan said...
The reason why oligarchs like Murdoch hate Trump is not simply because of the immigration issue, he is the only politician who effectively rips the mask off the relationship between big money and the actions of politicians. He has credibility because he has played the game himself. He is remarkably frank about this issue in a way I have never heard from any other politician.
1/28/16, 8:42 PM"
Spot on. And as Donald said without hesitation he has bought and paid for the Clinton's. It's just not the oligarchs that hate Trump. It's the entire lobbyist industry, NGO's and government bureaucrats complex that hate Trump for exposing them and fear and loathe Cruz who might mess with their rice bowl.
...says the Leftist who voted for Barack Obama.
Cannot be written enough, when Althousian politics is mentioned.
Not sure the absence of Trump is helping Cruz. He has become the focus of attack.
No Jeb..the idiocy exhibited by that entrepreneur denotes yet another problem in the voting population...and probably her education.
Having the others attack Cruz was a big part of Trump's strategy.
Fox is completely open borders and and slamming Cruz at every turn. Again, we get the Endless endless questions, and every other one is a gotcha.
Even without Trump, Jeb just melts into the woodwork. Low energy.
The others so far:
Cruz - the Conservative with the target on his back. Rubio - Canned robotic Kasich - smug & smarmy. Christie - loudmouth. Paul - all over the map. Carson - did he leave?
Yes ARM,
Now..if they had that montage prepped for Cruz, imagine what they had prepped for Trump..
THAT is the elephant in the room and..probably what Trump got wind of.
Good lord - 20 minutes to go. I'm out. Bring back Trump!
Rubio slammed Hillary hard. He's winning this debate.
5. I mean Gilmore. Did you notice?
I'm from Virginia, so yes.
Christie for Attorney General.
"... the days of the Clintons in public housing is over."
Christie is king of the one liners.
Candy Dulce - a Mexican immigrant & Veteran. Why do you hate Mexicans Mr. Trump?
That's what was planned.
"Christie for Attorney General."
He's appointed left-wingers to the NJ Supreme Court. So if you want a couple more Ginsbergs, yeah.
"Rubio slammed Hillary hard. He's winning this debate."
Agree. Did everything but walk her out of court room in cuffs.
"... the days of the Clintons in public housing is over."
Personally, I'm for public housing for Hillary. The Big House.
Yeah, the Trump rally was boring. I turned it off. But then its not a TV Show - its a benefit for Vets.
rcocean,
If she was the pitbull to unleash on Trump..just a frickin' poodle. Not saying Trump would have to be masterful..just weak effing tea...unless she came out and said she was illegal...I mean "undocumented".
Kasich is a compassionate conservative. That doesn't scale well nationally
Kasich is a rambling man throwing out distractions on his Ohio medicaid situation.
While I'd vote for Attila the Hun over Hillary Clinton, I would find it very, very hard to pull the lever for John Kasich.
"what are your views on abortion, Senator?" So 1976
I think Rubio is going to gain most ground from this final debate. He is doing everything but pulling out his rosary beads.
So the GOPe is getting what they wanted.
Rand Paul wants the 14th Amendment applied in the womb. Great, now the federal government will regulate prenatal eating and exercise.
Birkel said...
...says the Leftist who voted for Barack Obama.
Cannot be written enough, when Althousian politics is mentioned.
You are goddamned rigt Birkel. Noby allowed to change their opinion, ever. That's my motto .
Michael K said...
I saw a moment or two of the "undercard debate" and wondered who the hell that guy was. That was Gilmore ? Who's he ?
I am avoiding the Trumpless debate.
I am much more interested that the cause of schizophrenia has been discovered.
This is huge news. Much more important than the debate.
1/28/16, 8:16 PM"
I wonder if a test can be designed to detect this specific genetic matter when very young and a medication regimen created to circumvent this.
It has been a better debate without Trump. Any one of these candidates would do a better job than the democrat alternative. They all have strngths. I would prefer to support a governor. I'm still impressed with Cruz. My concern about Congress is so many are petty politicians, they might sabotage a conservative Republican agenda just to spite Cruz.
What Trump did for the republcan candidate was show a path to neutralize the liberal bias. I really don't want to see him be the republican nominee.
Trump's Veterans Benefit worked very well. The speech by amputee Ranger John Wayne was amazing stuff. He and two Marine friends summed it all up by saying we win as a unit and together with President Trump we will make America great again.
Before that, CNN gave Trump 30 minutes of uninterrupted one on one interview to make all his points. While over at Fox he would have been lucky to have gotten 10 heavily interrupted minutes.
Trump connected on every level. This election is over.
So far a very interesting and lively debate. Didn't miss Trump at all.
Has anyone seen Carson? Did he leave for Trump's benefit?
The most effective part of Trump's rally was veteran John Wayne addressing the problem of suicide in vets. His message was simple and clever - not living life well means the terrorists win. It is difficult, if not impossible, to talk people out of PTSD/depression, but talking about psychological problems like this so openly and positively will help.
One of his coaches trained Rubio to say "When I am president of the united states..."
Sometimes he forgets and has to backtrack to add in that prefix...
"While over at Fox he would have been lucky to have gotten 10 heavily interrupted minutes."
Trump is on Fox constantly. Greta practically fellates him on air every other night. Complaints that Trump is victimized by Fox are risible.
Cruz has been silent for a long time at this point of "debate".
madAsHell, I'm stone-cold sober. I don't need alcohol to speak my mind.
Your comments reflect poorly upon you.
Yes, Titus admits to being homosexual. The future belongs to those that show up. He has elected out....and he's a bit of a troll. Don't fall into his game.
Rubio would do well in the general election. He's likeable and comes across sincere.
********
I've heard "all his friends like him", and that he went both ways on his college soccer team
What more can you ask for?
None of the Muslim gotcha stuff is working. Even Jeb! doesn't have heart to try and pin any racism/bigotry on Trump. This was real weak tea, and America is much better than that.
Hmm..note immigrants from Mexico and Muslims (in clips) so far have been represented by females. Accident?
"Didn't miss Trump at all"
Of course not. He was in the room the entire time.
Cruz packs more gusto into his 60 seconds than any other man/woman can. Can Trump and Cruz finish Iowa in a tie?
I gotta hand it to Cruz; his answer on ethanol subsidies was complete bullshit. And he made sound convincing to me. He's the best debater in a Presidential campaign in my memory.
Jeb misled by not saying Trump's proposal was a temporary ban on Muslim immigration until better controls are in place.
Interesting that he had to lie about what Trump said.
Walter, I notice that also. Fox is establishment and regardless of the Kelly/Trump sideshow it's clear they are going out of their way to help the lesser candidates by denying Cruz minutes.
"I gotta hand it to Cruz; his answer on ethanol subsidies was complete bullshit."
He's against ethanol mandates and subsidies. Did I miss something?
How much is Google paying Fox News for this debate?
Yes mccullogh,
Jeb reduced it to "banning all Muslims".
Chuck said...
I gotta hand it to Cruz; his answer on ethanol subsidies was complete bullshit.
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How so?
Original Mike...I say you are risible when you plead past TV face time nullifies my comment on tonight's TV face time.
But I will toast you as one risible SOB to another risible SOB.
If there was a winner on TV tonight, it was Huckaby. His skill set shined.
I think the Muslim SJW was there to sandbag Trump. Since he wasn't there, it fell flat.
Cruz should have skipped the debate when Trump pulled out. He got played. Wonder if Trump was in on it.
Cruz threatening to leave the stage was a low point for him. He sounded Trumpish.
"But I will toast you as one risible SOB to another risible SOB."
Skoal!
"I gotta hand it to Cruz; his answer on ethanol subsidies was complete bullshit. And he made sound convincing to me."
Of course. You've made it clear you are easily convinced by bullshit.
wwoow..I like it
Succes for you :)
Who won the debate?...... AMERICA!
"Hmm..note immigrants from Mexico and Muslims (in clips) so far have been represented by females. Accident?"
Yep. just like the mexican was named "Candy Dulce" instead of Juanita Hernandez
There's a Fox editor who slaved over that Trump video montage that is drinking themselves silly right now...
That was refreshing.
"Candy Dulce",
I think I may have seen her work..
Trump, the drama queen, sucks the air out of the room. There was a refreshing abundance of air in the room.
We were 'schlonged'!
The big winner tonight was Rand..by simply existing.
I listened on web radio. Did Meg exit after getting bored?
"Cruz threatening to leave the stage was a low point for him. He sounded Trumpish"
Oh, that was supposed to be serious? I thought he was making another Trump joke.
Of course it was a joke.
Luntz's group saying they are all going to vote for Rubio now.
More on medicaid cost shifting
Blogger Mom2Es said...
"Cruz threatening to leave the stage was a low point for him. He sounded Trumpish"
Oh, that was supposed to be serious? I thought he was making another Trump joke.
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Good frickin' grief..he most definitely was.
Amanda..really?
Although..imagine the collective thumb up their asses if Cruz bowed out as well..
I think Cruz's attempted dig at Trump fell flat. His humor is a little too subtle.
Cruz now on with Megyn spinning his performance. Guy is radiating confidence, good sign for him.
Comedy is about timing and delivery. Cruz doesn't have that. He's not funny.
Brian, Mccullough,
Trumpeteers? Think Trump has the comic timing?
I would prefer a candidate who can engage jesters, while ultimately rising above them.
They are all jesters. Some of them are funny. Politics is entertainment. Very few politicians are competent, which is why we have a country that is broke, with low labor participation, stagnant wages, and focus on issues like gay marriage and abortion.
I favor Cruz. I think he is the best candidate to reign in government spending.
The economy and government entitlement are the big issues, more important than immigration.
mccullough said...
They are all jesters.
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Be that as it may..you will pick from the greater of two betters or the lesser of two evils...or sit it out.
I don't agree with Paul but he comes across as likable and decent. I'm in agreement with more of what Cruz says and he argues his case persuasively, but he doesn't come across as likable or good natured......I don't particularly like Trump either, but in some weird, undefinable way his unlikability is more likable than that of Cruz......If, as some analysts say, the debate is more about establishing your Alpha bona fides than expounding positions or demonstrating character, then Trump wins.
I missed the debate. My muzzie from Beirut who is getting a Phd at Harvard came over.
sorry for not participating in the comment section.
he is kind of hairy; normally I don't like hairy but I was ok with it.
tits.
this is our fourth "date".
He lives across the street.
convenient in a snow storm.
sorry that was Iran-this is beirut.
Waiting for Don-oh.
Titus, is your creativity so arid and fruitless that you're now stooped to using porn (and tedious porn at that) for your avatar?
BrianE said...
"It has been a better debate without Trump. Any one of these candidates would do a better job than the democrat alternative. They all have strngths. I would prefer to support a governor. I'm still impressed with Cruz. My concern about Congress is so many are petty politicians, they might sabotage a conservative Republican agenda just to spite Cruz.
What Trump did for the republcan candidate was show a path to neutralize the liberal bias. I really don't want to see him be the republican nominee".
Cruz is not eligible, he was born in flippin Canada. DUH
Mick said...Cruz is not eligible, he was born in flippin Canada. DUH
More careful thinkers than you have concluded he is eligible, which means, at a minimum, the "DUH" doesn't belong. Your use of "DUH" tells me that you have not thought carefully about it, which tells me I have no reason to care about your opinion on the matter.
"More careful thinkers than you have concluded he is eligible, which means, at a minimum, the "DUH" doesn't belong. Your use of "DUH" tells me that you have not thought carefully about it, which tells me I have no reason to care about your opinion on the matter".
"More careful thinkers?" You mean like Katyal, the Usurper's Solicitor General, who has every reason to muddy the water about who is a natural born Citizen? He cited a defunct statute from 1790 as some sort of proof, and made purely conjectural (and wrong) statements about John Jay's motivation. His HLR paper is certainly not "LAW", and certainly is lightweight in its lack of law citation, and "thought". You can't think for yourself? You need to rely on someone else's opinion?
So answer this.
If the purpose of the requirement is prevention of foreign influence (of which there is no doubt), then how could someone born in a foreign country or of foreign parentage be eligible?
If Ted Cruz, born in the sane situation in 1933, would not have even been a US Citizen at the time he was born, then how is he a natural born Citizen today?
If Marco Rubio, if born in 1802, would not have been even a US citizen at the time he was born, how is he a natural born Citizen today?
Yeah, I didn't think so...
I ended up watching everything, the main event, the undercard and the Trump rally.
Undercard: Santorum, Fiorina and Huckabee did pretty well. They’ve got their lines down pat, sometimes too pat, verging on artificiality. Santorum seemed to lose his train of thought a couple of times. Gilmore seemed agitated, even disturbed. The moderators were Ok but Hemmer asked this ill-advised question of Gilmore:
Who are the moderate Muslims do you seek advice and counsel from on how to deal with the threat from radical Islamic terrorism?
Yeah, just what every moderate Muslim wants – to become a target for radical Islamic terrorists because they were named in a televised debate as an answer to a gotcha question. Gilmore, an ex-intelligence officer, brushed away the idiot question and refused to name them.
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