How will we know anything is true when it's impossible to tell. We are already there, and we are not ready for it. Civilization has never faced such a thing. There is no playbook and no vaccine.
"Federal judges meeting in Boston heard tech industry warnings that AI-generated images and video are becoming nearly impossible to verify, as a judiciary committee considers whether courts need new rules for evidence that may be deepfakes instead of the real thing."
I wonder if people will do what they seem to be already doing a lot, which is not care if it's true or not. Ever see when one of those on-the-street interviewers debunks a person's committed view and the person just says "This conversation is over" and walks away?
speaking of impossible to tell, are you following the Omar ‘family’ saga? Not if you’re following traditional media. They’re all running interference for her, questioning the legality of judges enabling warrants, claiming everything surrounding the investigation is unlawful. Spaghetti defense…
@bagoh20 maybe the change will be quite simple, in the end. Personal accountability will reassert itself, because any kind of recorded audio or video will be discarded as suspect, and only eyewitness testimony or certified data will be accepted. Things that depend on belief absorbed by visual or audio means will be viewed as under suspicion without some kind of due accreditation.
I'm reading that the Omar case is a deep dive, being prepared as an object lesson to the thousands that game the immigration system for citizenship. They're digging out DNA evidence, and the rumor is that the family isn't even a family. We'll see. I can think of few subjects more worthy of deportation, out of pure anti-American spite in her spoken record. But we'll see what takes its course.
If video and audio recordings become untrustworthy, then maybe some of the 24/7/everywhere surveillance will become uneconomical. Why invest in cameras for your store if, in the unlikely event your local authorities find, arrest, and prosecute the guy in the video, the jury buys his deepfake defense?
On the other hand, I have said for years that all evidence is testimonial. That is, even/especially the most scientifically forensic evidence requires that the scientist can get on the stand, explain her methods to laypeople, and convince them that she didn't tamper with anything. So even physical evidence depends on people's believability.
Not sure that much would change for surveillance footage.
Also, the strongest cases feature forensic science as just one strand of the web, which can survive on the strength of the other strands. For instance, if you got facial recognition from the store video, which enabled you to get an address for the mope, and you then did an old-fashioned physical surveillance of that address, to find lots of brand-new merch moving in and out of the house on a daily basis.
Old time coppers talked about 'cutting out the snitch:' once an informant fingers a suspect, you develop independent corroborating evidence, so you never have to even mention the snitch, let alone put him on the stand.
We may have to go with 'cutting out the video,' while still relying on it for leads. CC, JSM
I once considered buying a property that included a beaver dam. Unfortunately circumstances argued against it, not least because, if the dam failed, my prospective neighbors would have been flooded.
“ Things that depend on belief absorbed by visual or audio means will be viewed as under suspicion without some kind of due accreditation.”
There will be an answer, pictures, videos, audio will be bit by bit uploaded to a service that will testify that each bit received is a true recorded datum. And the sender will be geolocated by satellite, and the transfer times will be logged by atomic clocks so that it will be impossible for data processing to occur on the bit. I should patent it, and the “pure pixel” trademark.
So to fake something you would have to be in the right place within a few meters, and have instantaneous processing power, and know the context of future events so that your fake would make sense. Elon could do this certification in real time via satellites in Leo.
Fakes happen now in retrospect, you take two pictures in different places and times and blend them. And you have context checking. My proposal would break the chain.
“I once considered buying a property that included a beaver dam.”
When I was general manager of a mine in Michigan I had a state license to shoot beavers who were blocking water flow on the property, but I was only allowed to do this with .22 rifle cartridges. Le E’stat Cest Moi.
I think the answer will be innovation with blockchain type technology, coupled with the video and audio streams to certify them, providing an instant running provenance.
Press Sec In the running: Anna Kelly and Scott Jennings. My choice: Spencer Pratt. I thought that was an original idea, but he was a contender in August. Less so now, since he’s untested, and that’s what tripped up Zacharia. Scott Jennings would be a fabulous choice. I kinda think they have to give it to a guy. It would eliminate the snide question: did they go for ugly this time?
Marjoe Gortner had the revival tent. Donald Trump has the rally stage. Both know the value of a captive audience, a little theatrical outrage, grand promises and a well-timed collection plate.
One sold salvation. The other sells MAGA. Both understand the oldest rule of the carnival: keep the crowd entertained, and nobody looks too closely behind the curtain.
Hey, all I know is that the new press person had a shirt with a collar tied together and the buttons unbuttoned so you could see a triangle of flesh above the boob. A triangle ok?
What fashion says show an above boob triangle, fire her. Did they?
It’s fitting that Celine Dion is in France giving a concert. Here is she is on the Larry King Show commenting about the looting in New Orleans in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina in 2005. “Let them touch those things.” I couldn’t believe it at the time and I never forgot it. comment starts at 2:09 https://youtu.be/QXD4BGvPngM?is=WG9gDiBsN3HW5x89
I happened to joined in, yesterday afternoon, as Glenn Loury announced a cancer diagnosis via a Substack livestream. Sad. Some of you may remember him from the times he joined Althouse at BloggingHeads.
Won't somebody please think about the poor little wheelchair bound terrorist??? Please???? To think THIS is what breaks this assholes heart. Not the 13 people he murdered, and the 22 he gunned down in cold blood shouting "Allah Akbar" at.
Ezydu @ezradulis · Follow NJ Gov. Mikie Sherrill on the execution of Nidal Hasan: "The thing that just keeps breaking my heart: imagine the 20-year-old, maybe the 18-year-old that stepped up to serve, that gets orders and says, you’re going to go shoot this guy who’s in a wheelchair."
And we all know the Apple is ripe for the picking off..... To conquer NYC is a dream to them.....
Houman David Hemmati, MD, PhD @houmanhemmati · 5h In case you were wondering what @ZohranKMamdani & others means when they say “Globalize the Intifada,” it’s this 👇
Coming soon to a DSA-run city and state near you. Quote Shai Goldman @shaig · 13h Marseille city hall has fallen & they have put up Palestinian flags inside
Miranda Devine @mirandadevine · 2h What a piece of work. And this is what the Democrats present as a "moderate" Quote The Chicago Thinker @ThinkerChicago · 11h ON UCHICAGO CAMPUS: U.S. Senator from Michigan Elissa Slotkin hopes planned political prosecutions of republican leaders will scare young conservatives from getting involved in politics.
I can’t even read about France these days. All the fires and unrest are heartbreaking. What’s Macron doing about it? It seems the rioting is completely out of control with no response from him. Do they not have a national guard? At this point, it’s not hard to imagine significant damage being done to the Eiffel Tower.
Vote Democrat in November if ypu want the destabilizing wars t9 end so we dont import more war refugees here...
Maybe destabilizing the world and assasinating/capturing foreign leaders isn't to the benefit of Americans coming up? Vote for your country, boomers. Your heirs wont curse your pro war politics.
…it’s definitely more than just rounding up the illegal immigrants in Congress. Think about the Somali equivalent of every major mafia crime family working together with the American hood rats in Congress to raid the US Treasury and trillions in entitlements while traditional media runs cover for them. Oh and you might marry your brother to get him into the county or you might marry your brother to have his kids. Both A-okay…
the Democrats running in South Carolina refuse to acknowledge they are Democrats. The one running against Lindsey’s sister even invokes President Trump in a complementary way. Clearly hoping to corral the addled and confused old lady vote…
In case you need to see what Wendybar mentioned. This is why Jack Smith got information on 600,000 donors. They want to use the government to intimidate Americans.
…the Obama and Biden administrations were already using government resources to intimidate and or bankrupt their opponents. It may be hard to recall how crushing government regulations were during Obama, or the high profile cases where they crushed some small business as an example for the rest of us…Biden’s leaders sent fbi or irs to your front door to let yo know they didn’t approve of what you were doing…
“…Eva hon, love em to death but some of my neighbors make Diane Feinstein look sentient. Bless their hearts…” The conservative women? I don’t believe you.
Slotkin is ex-CIA, just a reminder of what used to be the mindset of many Federal workers, many of whom are gone now, because the Federal workforce has been dramatically reduced under this administration (finally). And another reminder to refer to the stories of de-banking that were released last week, with billion-dollar fines. They target little people because they can't afford to defend themselves. They targeted Jan 6th grandmas with dawn SWAT raids. If you think they'll hesitate to target you for offenses matching their definition, look next door, to the north. It's their mode of operation. It's what they do. Tyranny through fear.
Vote for the way you would prefer yourself and your kids to be treated. Slotkin is the type that is so hungry for power, she doesn't hear herself. If she gets more of it, she'll be worse than she's admitting.
"NJ Gov. Mikie Sherrill on the execution of Nidal Hasan: "The thing that just keeps breaking my heart: imagine the 20-year-old, maybe the 18-year-old that stepped up to serve, that gets orders and says, you’re going to go shoot this guy who’s in a wheelchair."
The people he murdered were 19 to 63 year olds. It was a staging area for new recruits. Sherill, who was/is military, must know this.
If you are joining the military, you are signing up to kill people. If you don't feel up to it you are in the wrong job. The opportunity to train on one of the most evil bastards on earth would be a bonus. I'm sure there are lots of volunteers.
Democrats move to the center before elections to coral leaning right Democrats who might otherwise cross over and vote Republican. They don’t fool conservative women who not only have to contend with Democrat hostility but shits like you in their own party.
@rehajm, that's a cleverly duplicitous ad. You wouldn't know she's a Democrat because of the left-handed compliment to Trump, and she doesn't identify either her party or Graham's. It would be easy to mistake the pleasant outdoorsy candidate for a conservative. Trick or Treat !
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How will we know anything is true when it's impossible to tell. We are already there, and we are not ready for it. Civilization has never faced such a thing. There is no playbook and no vaccine.
"Federal judges meeting in Boston heard tech industry warnings that AI-generated images and video are becoming nearly impossible to verify, as a judiciary committee considers whether courts need new rules for evidence that may be deepfakes instead of the real thing."
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2026/10/17/openai-ai-generated-deepfakes-will-become-impossible-to-verify/
I wonder if people will do what they seem to be already doing a lot, which is not care if it's true or not. Ever see when one of those on-the-street interviewers debunks a person's committed view and the person just says "This conversation is over" and walks away?
speaking of impossible to tell, are you following the Omar ‘family’ saga? Not if you’re following traditional media. They’re all running interference for her, questioning the legality of judges enabling warrants, claiming everything surrounding the investigation is unlawful. Spaghetti defense…
@bagoh20 maybe the change will be quite simple, in the end. Personal accountability will reassert itself, because any kind of recorded audio or video will be discarded as suspect, and only eyewitness testimony or certified data will be accepted. Things that depend on belief absorbed by visual or audio means will be viewed as under suspicion without some kind of due accreditation.
I'm reading that the Omar case is a deep dive, being prepared as an object lesson to the thousands that game the immigration system for citizenship. They're digging out DNA evidence, and the rumor is that the family isn't even a family. We'll see. I can think of few subjects more worthy of deportation, out of pure anti-American spite in her spoken record. But we'll see what takes its course.
"speaking of impossible to tell, are you following the Omar ‘family’ saga?"
Might be a good time to buy some Orville Redenbacher stock...
If video and audio recordings become untrustworthy, then maybe some of the 24/7/everywhere surveillance will become uneconomical. Why invest in cameras for your store if, in the unlikely event your local authorities find, arrest, and prosecute the guy in the video, the jury buys his deepfake defense?
On the other hand, I have said for years that all evidence is testimonial. That is, even/especially the most scientifically forensic evidence requires that the scientist can get on the stand, explain her methods to laypeople, and convince them that she didn't tamper with anything. So even physical evidence depends on people's believability.
Not sure that much would change for surveillance footage.
Also, the strongest cases feature forensic science as just one strand of the web, which can survive on the strength of the other strands. For instance, if you got facial recognition from the store video, which enabled you to get an address for the mope, and you then did an old-fashioned physical surveillance of that address, to find lots of brand-new merch moving in and out of the house on a daily basis.
Old time coppers talked about 'cutting out the snitch:' once an informant fingers a suspect, you develop independent corroborating evidence, so you never have to even mention the snitch, let alone put him on the stand.
We may have to go with 'cutting out the video,' while still relying on it for leads. CC, JSM
"But we'll see what takes its course."
If she's done nothing wrong, she's got nothing to be afraid of.
I'm told.
Glorious fall day in the north woods.
Spent the afternoon dismantling a beaver dam. It's preventing the winter draw-down of the lake.
Original Mike said:
"Spent the afternoon dismantling a beaver dam."
Was dynamite involved?
"Was dynamite involved?"
Unfortunately, no.
It would have helped.
Spencer Pratt has thoughts.
I once considered buying a property that included a beaver dam. Unfortunately circumstances argued against it, not least because, if the dam failed, my prospective neighbors would have been flooded.
“ Things that depend on belief absorbed by visual or audio means will be viewed as under suspicion without some kind of due accreditation.”
There will be an answer, pictures, videos, audio will be bit by bit uploaded to a service that will testify that each bit received is a true recorded datum. And the sender will be geolocated by satellite, and the transfer times will be logged by atomic clocks so that it will be impossible for data processing to occur on the bit. I should patent it, and the “pure pixel” trademark.
So to fake something you would have to be in the right place within a few meters, and have instantaneous processing power, and know the context of future events so that your fake would make sense. Elon could do this certification in real time via satellites in Leo.
Fakes happen now in retrospect, you take two pictures in different places and times and blend them. And you have context checking. My proposal would break the chain.
“I once considered buying a property that included a beaver dam.”
When I was general manager of a mine in Michigan I had a state license to shoot beavers who were blocking water flow on the property, but I was only allowed to do this with .22 rifle cartridges. Le E’stat Cest Moi.
Mason G. - excellent.
Spencer Pratt has a future.
I think the answer will be innovation with blockchain type technology, coupled with the video and audio streams to certify them, providing an instant running provenance.
I didn't forget
Press Sec
In the running: Anna Kelly and Scott Jennings.
My choice: Spencer Pratt. I thought that was an original idea, but he was a contender in August. Less so now, since he’s untested, and that’s what tripped up Zacharia.
Scott Jennings would be a fabulous choice. I kinda think they have to give it to a guy. It would eliminate the snide question: did they go for ugly this time?
Marjoe Gortner had the revival tent. Donald Trump has the rally stage. Both know the value of a captive audience, a little theatrical outrage, grand promises and a well-timed collection plate.
One sold salvation. The other sells MAGA. Both understand the oldest rule of the carnival: keep the crowd entertained, and nobody looks too closely behind the curtain.
Hey, all I know is that the new press person had a shirt with a collar tied together and the buttons unbuttoned so you could see a triangle of flesh above the boob. A triangle ok?
What fashion says show an above boob triangle, fire her. Did they?
Trump sold secure borders and he delivered. Look at Europe today and thank MAGA for supporting President Trump.
Vote Republican in November.
IEE, IEE, get some help man.
Look at Europe today
But I'm on your side! Chump.
"But I'm on your side!"
If she was on their side, she wouldn't be complaining about the looting.
Which Side are you on man, which side are you on.
'cutting out the snitch:' Good point moseby
Loved that AWFL telling people not to steal her stuff because she's down with the stealing, just not her stuff.
"just not her stuff."
Kind of like Democrats and "Nobody is above the law" except- well, us.
It’s fitting that Celine Dion is in France giving a concert. Here is she is on the Larry King Show commenting about the looting in New Orleans in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina in 2005. “Let them touch those things.” I couldn’t believe it at the time and I never forgot it.
comment starts at 2:09
https://youtu.be/QXD4BGvPngM?is=WG9gDiBsN3HW5x89
I happened to joined in, yesterday afternoon, as Glenn Loury announced a cancer diagnosis via a Substack livestream. Sad.
Some of you may remember him from the times he joined Althouse at BloggingHeads.
This is their NEW mostly peaceful protests lie.....
Adel Suleiman
@AdelSuleiman
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You don’t hate the media enough
👎
https://x.com/AdelSuleiman/status/2111620303935705173?s=20
Apparently the translation of the French shopkeeper ululations are slanted to create you're MAGA wet dream, enjoy!!
Won't somebody please think about the poor little wheelchair bound terrorist??? Please????
To think THIS is what breaks this assholes heart. Not the 13 people he murdered, and the 22 he gunned down in cold blood shouting "Allah Akbar" at.
Ezydu
@ezradulis
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Follow
NJ Gov. Mikie Sherrill on the execution of Nidal Hasan: "The thing that just keeps breaking my heart: imagine the 20-year-old, maybe the 18-year-old that stepped up to serve, that gets orders and says, you’re going to go shoot this guy who’s in a wheelchair."
https://x.com/ezradulis/status/2111434565709684802?s=20
And we all know the Apple is ripe for the picking off..... To conquer NYC is a dream to them.....
Houman David Hemmati, MD, PhD
@houmanhemmati
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5h
In case you were wondering what @ZohranKMamdani & others means when they say “Globalize the Intifada,” it’s this 👇
Coming soon to a DSA-run city and state near you.
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Shai Goldman
@shaig
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Marseille city hall has fallen & they have put up Palestinian flags inside
https://x.com/laralogan/status/2111715834934784484?s=20
Lee Kuan Yimby
@LeeKuanYimby
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WAIT. France was hiding their educational resources in the Louis Vuitton store this entire time!
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Drew Pavlou 🇦🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼
@DrewPavlou
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French rioters loot Louis Vuitton store located just 2 KM away from the Élysée.
https://x.com/LeeKuanYimby/status/2111677546714833007?s=20
Miranda Devine
@mirandadevine
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What a piece of work. And this is what the Democrats present as a "moderate"
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The Chicago Thinker
@ThinkerChicago
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ON UCHICAGO CAMPUS: U.S. Senator from Michigan Elissa Slotkin hopes planned political prosecutions of republican leaders will scare young conservatives from getting involved in politics.
https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/2111696684992381108?s=20
I can’t even read about France these days. All the fires and unrest are heartbreaking. What’s Macron doing about it? It seems the rioting is completely out of control with no response from him. Do they not have a national guard? At this point, it’s not hard to imagine significant damage being done to the Eiffel Tower.
Just a few scuffles in France as protesters march for better conditions in the local high schools. At least that's the sense I got from CBS.
Vote Democrat in November if ypu want the destabilizing wars t9 end so we dont import more war refugees here...
Maybe destabilizing the world and assasinating/capturing foreign leaders isn't to the benefit of Americans coming up? Vote for your country, boomers. Your heirs wont curse your pro war politics.
“Marseille city hall has fallen & they have put up Palestinian flags inside”
They need to send in the French army! Like they did when the Germans invaded in 1940. Oh …
…it’s definitely more than just rounding up the illegal immigrants in Congress. Think about the Somali equivalent of every major mafia crime family working together with the American hood rats in Congress to raid the US Treasury and trillions in entitlements while traditional media runs cover for them. Oh and you might marry your brother to get him into the county or you might marry your brother to have his kids. Both A-okay…
Barbara Bush (GWB’s daughter) donated to a Talarico super-PAC.
2 Cellos play AC-DC.
Thunderstruck.
2 Cellos playing Smooth Criminal
the Democrats running in South Carolina refuse to acknowledge they are Democrats. The one running against Lindsey’s sister even invokes President Trump in a complementary way. Clearly hoping to corral the addled and confused old lady vote…
“Clearly hoping to corral the addled and confused old lady vote…”
What has given you the impression that any Trump voters are addled or confused?
wendybar@3:15
That’s the ugliest comment any Democrat has said.
Those of you who are decent Democrats - how can you kerp voting for these people?
2 Cellos (and a Drum)
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Trump vs The Talking Heads
“President Trump's first-term U.S. ambassador-at-large for global criminal justice went on trial Friday in South Korea for criminal defamation charges, stemming from his inflammatory comments – on American soil — about South Korea's president 16 months earlier.”
“Morse H. Tan: Three successive travel bans have been imposed on me because I have been leading the counterrevolutionary movement against the communizing coup d’état and the subsequent purge currently happening in South Korea.”
https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/south-korea-traps-prosecutes-ex-trump-ambassador-comments-us-soil-american-media
Its a north korean controlled regime
In case you need to see what Wendybar mentioned. This is why Jack Smith got information on 600,000 donors. They want to use the government to intimidate Americans.
Off to shower and then go blow up little bitumen disks painted safety orange.
…the Obama and Biden administrations were already using government resources to intimidate and or bankrupt their opponents. It may be hard to recall how crushing government regulations were during Obama, or the high profile cases where they crushed some small business as an example for the rest of us…Biden’s leaders sent fbi or irs to your front door to let yo know they didn’t approve of what you were doing…
…Eva hon, love em to death but some of my neighbors make Diane Feinstein look sentient. Bless their hearts…
“…Eva hon, love em to death but some of my neighbors make Diane Feinstein look sentient. Bless their hearts…”
The conservative women? I don’t believe you.
…bless your heart…
Slotkin is ex-CIA, just a reminder of what used to be the mindset of many Federal workers, many of whom are gone now, because the Federal workforce has been dramatically reduced under this administration (finally). And another reminder to refer to the stories of de-banking that were released last week, with billion-dollar fines. They target little people because they can't afford to defend themselves. They targeted Jan 6th grandmas with dawn SWAT raids. If you think they'll hesitate to target you for offenses matching their definition, look next door, to the north. It's their mode of operation. It's what they do. Tyranny through fear.
Vote for the way you would prefer yourself and your kids to be treated. Slotkin is the type that is so hungry for power, she doesn't hear herself. If she gets more of it, she'll be worse than she's admitting.
"NJ Gov. Mikie Sherrill on the execution of Nidal Hasan: "The thing that just keeps breaking my heart: imagine the 20-year-old, maybe the 18-year-old that stepped up to serve, that gets orders and says, you’re going to go shoot this guy who’s in a wheelchair."
The people he murdered were 19 to 63 year olds. It was a staging area for new recruits. Sherill, who was/is military, must know this.
If you are joining the military, you are signing up to kill people. If you don't feel up to it you are in the wrong job. The opportunity to train on one of the most evil bastards on earth would be a bonus. I'm sure there are lots of volunteers.
my nanna’s gonna be confused…
Democrats move to the center before elections to coral leaning right Democrats who might otherwise cross over and vote Republican.
They don’t fool conservative women who not only have to contend with Democrat hostility but shits like you in their own party.
Well, reading comments on the Althouse blog makes it clear that the addled are the antisemites and TDS sufferers.
@rehajm, that's a cleverly duplicitous ad. You wouldn't know she's a Democrat because of the left-handed compliment to Trump, and she doesn't identify either her party or Graham's. It would be easy to mistake the pleasant outdoorsy candidate for a conservative. Trick or Treat !
"I can’t even read about France these days. All the fires and unrest are heartbreaking."
Not to worry. I hear the whole thing is just a MAGA wet dream. That's the real problem.
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