The main "climate-related disruption" in question is that it's terribly HOT in the summer. The travel experience is BAD and, conveniently, the traveling is a cause of the heat. It's a big carbon footprint. So the thing that's not good anymore is exactly the thing you shouldn't do.
Lara Thornton, a nutritionist based in Toronto, spent years buying carbon credits to offset her carbon footprint, but she stopped after they came under scrutiny for being largely ineffective. “I know traveling is part of the problem, but I don’t know the solution,” she said. “With the world burning every summer, it really feels like we are too late and the damage is already done.”
Oh, Lara, listen to yourself. You know the solution! You're playing dumb.
Elisabeth Beckenbauer, 55, a social worker from Portsmouth, England, decided to stop flying four years ago after looking at a flight-tracking app that showed tens of thousands of planes in the sky worldwide. “Flying is one of the worst things you can do to the planet,” she said, “and I realized that I don’t need to do it anymore.”...
Okay. Points to the social worker. Congratulations on saying the plain truth openly.
While at least two-thirds of travelers express an interest in lowering their carbon footprint, environmental impact is consistently ranked as having the least influence on destination choices....
Well, surely the problem of excessive heat will rank more highly and force people to do what mere moralizing about climate change couldn't do.
[C]onsumer behavior can be stubborn. “The reality is that people will put up with some of the climate impacts to make the once-in-a-lifetime trip to Italy or Paris,” said Leigh Barnes, president of the Americas for Intrepid Travel....
They'll put up with some of the climate impacts. It just needs to get bad enough and at some point travel will be something that people will finally give up on. I see that this past summer, some of those European river cruises turned into bus rides when some rivers dried up in July.
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….no evidence you foregoing travel reverses whatever level of harm you think is caused by your travel but you do you and It frees up a seat in steerage for someone else…
There would be a lot less travel if people gave top priority to the excellence of their poops.
Good. Please stop traveling. I don't want to be around these fruitcakes when I'm trying to enjoy some well earned R&R.
The amount of CO2 that China -- and yes, the US -- pumps into the atmosphere each year due to manufacturing, power production, and construction dwarfs what travel-related emissions produce.
Before we are all dead and gone, the world will turn again into a cooler cycle. Remember this post when you see it in about 10-15 years.
These days every bad day is a catastrophic event.
I am sure the current Worst El Niño Ever will soon become the fault of me driving my non-electric car in the hot South Florida heat with my A/C cranked on. Sorry, but it's what we do in the heat. Our offset are the people in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan moving into cooler autumn temps. And when you guys are cranking up your heat in the winter, we'll be your offset by turning off our A/C and opening up our windows.
And so it goes.
Summertime in the American West it’s never too hot in the mountains or at the beach. France and Italy are delightful in the spring and fall. There’s a word for those who blindly follow the masses into discomfort: sheeple.
A once in a lifetime trip isn't causing the problem.
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Ethical Lemmas (CAEL) are a first-order forcing of climate change.
We didn't force the climate change. Its always been warming, since the world was cooling.
Weather omg
Remember way back when they were telling us that "climate change" was going to cause more and more really awful hurricanes? I'm pretty sure that was the last time Donald Trump was president, and it was all his fault.
Well, guess what?
No hurricanes this year. Nada, zip, zero.
The last time this happened was 60 years ago, when they were telling us the world was going to freeze.
I do have to give the "carbon credit" scammers kudos for going big.
Flew down to Dallas for the Idina Menzel concert. Rented a BMW.
DDB doing his part to ignore the biggest scam in the history of the world.
It is hot in DFW and the gas is cheaper.
I enjoy the warm tropics. I’m happy to do my part to keep them that way.
Regardless of any impact on "climate," environmental tourism has worked as a means of and reason for preserving and supporting habitats and places which might otherwise have been clear cut, over-hunted, or subsistence farmed, and provided employment for the locals.
They're around here somewhere I know it. Ooops! Nope. Ran out of shits to give.
this is ALL TRUE!! because of Climate Change,
the Atlantic had THE WORST Hurricane season.. EVER!
just look it up! it is TRUE!
and, it is ALL BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!
NYT subscribers want climate change stories, so they are going to get them. Also, they are super easy. Hot summer - climate change. No hurricanes this year - climate change. 150 year record snow in the Sierras a few years ago - climate change. Just, give any old prompt to AI and it will pop out a serviceable climate change story.
Empty nest retirees don’t need to travel in the summer.
Best time to travel virtually anywhere is spring and fall. I will trade wearing a coat with its more pockets over crowds anytime.
If anthropogenic global warming is indeed a fact, it may simply postpone the next glaciation by a few thousand years. But that ice will return one way or the other.
The NYT continues its job of guilting the so-called sophisticated and absolving them of their sins with a sprinkle of penance all at the same time.
Remember, you were told by the NYT travel section to drop everything and rush to fly to Glacier National Park so you could see the glacier before it melted away! No sense of irony.
i guess you’re too old to climb down off your hobby horse. Or learn what a hoax is.
“Lucien said...
Empty nest retirees don’t need to travel in the summer.”
Bingo! And if you are blessed with grandkids hot summers with the little ones on a beach are great for old bones.
But do take the NYT has discovered that it gets hot in summer. Aren’t their writers amazing?
You have to be pretty stupid and gullible to go along with the climate change cult at this point.
I can read lips, especially good at reading Chairman Xi’s lips. It appears every meeting Xi hammered Trump over Climate Change, née Global Warming, The U.S. wasn’t doing enough!
Changing the name to Gulf of America seems to have solved the hurricane problem in that area.
The solution is to be a minimalist consumer, especially of products manufactured in China and India with absolutely zero pollution control systems required. Traditional air pollution causes way more damage and is way way easier and affordable to fix. The carbon dioxide issue is going to get resolved as we shift over to nuclear and space - based solar
I noticed an annual climate change in which Julys and Augusts got hot, so I now travel mostly in May, June, September and October.
**Remember, you were told by the NYT travel section to drop everything and rush to fly to Glacier National Park so you could see the glacier before it melted away! No sense of irony.**
Ha ha. That was always bullshit. The “glaciers” in Glacier Park (in Montana) for all practical purposes have been gone for nearly 10,000 years. (And I've hiked to some of the remnants that still exist.)
Observing geologists put it well (as of 4 decades ago!): the remaining so-called glaciers of Glacier Park are today (not to speak of back in 1986) “hardly more than oversized snow patches.”
Specifically, University of Montana geologists David Alt and Donald W. Hyndman write thus in the first edition of their (terrific!) _Roadside Geology of Montana_ (1986): {quoting…}
It should have been called “Glaciated Park.” The mighty glaciers of the ice age are gone, and those that now exist in Glacier Park are puny and shrinking, hardly more than oversized snow patches. This is a poor place to see glaciers in action. But every part of the park bears the marks of enormous ice age glaciers that filled the valleys with groaning and creaking rivers of ice thousands of feet thick.
During peak ice age glaciation, the cover of ice on Glacier Park almost became a continuous ice cap. To visualize the park as it then was, imagine a vast sea of ice with isolated peaks jutting above it as islands of exposed bedrock.
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(David Alt and Donald W. Hyndman, _Roadside Geology of Montana_, Mountain Press Publishing Co., Missoula, Montana, 1986; p. 60)
Thus it would be no surprise if those “glaciers” continue to melt away. Indeed, what (mountain) glaciers exist, there and elsewhere in the western U.S., largely date from the Little Ice Age of about a half millennium ago, and from which we're still emerging—not from remote antiquity.
boatbuilder said...
Remember way back when they were telling us that "climate change" was going to cause more and more really awful hurricanes? ... Well, guess what?
No hurricanes this year. Nada, zip, zero.
90% decrease from the norm in tropical activity (1991-2020)
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/index.php?season=2026&basin=atl
It doesn't hurt the climate when the good people fly. The climate knows what is in their hearts. It knows they care and forgives them.
What really makes the climate's eyes water is when those bad people drive pickup trucks...yuck!...except for those trips when the truck is hauling lumber and tools to build a grand second home for a good person to fly to when they want to ski or play on the lake in their massive wake setter. The climate also forgives them for the Cadillac Escalades and Bronco Raptors in their vacation home's 5 car garage because it understands good people need those and because of the concern they express to one another.
Humans live for short spans compared to the earth's life.
Some humans think everything should be perfect, and unchanging - just for them.
enter: Climate Hysteria!
btw- the worst polluters like China, support the democrat party and their sad grifting for green deals that end up in the dust, after the pockets were lined.
Howard said...
The carbon dioxide issue is going to get resolved as we shift over to nuclear and space - based solar
Why do you think carbon dioxide is an issue?
What would the problem be with 1000 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere?
You know CO2 has been above 2000 ppm for more time than it has been below 2000 ppm right?
Plants grow better up to 1500ppm. Why wouldn't we want more plants?
I'm so tired of the word "Carbon"
It's CO2. not "carbon"
Carbon dioxide (CO₂) is a colorless, odorless gas made of one carbon atom double-bonded to two oxygen atoms in a linear molecule (O=C=O).
It is a trace component of Earth’s atmosphere, a central part of the carbon cycle, essential for life.
"Carbon"? Really Ann? You know better than this. Why do you spread the fake propaganda?
Carbon is a solid, any carbon that gets into the air settles out by gravity in 10-20 days. The percentage of carbon in the atmosphere is about 0.00000004% give ot take a few zeros.
Perhaps you mean Carbon Dioxide? That is a gas, naturally occurrring in the atmosphere at about 0.3-0.5% historically.
Some people think it is a problem. A lot of people think the problem is bullshit.
If you are going to talk about it you should at least call it by its right name. I am pretty sure you know the difference between carbon and carbon dioxide.
John Henry
I don’t know about everyone but I purchased a Carbon Dioxide detector for my house. It hangs on the right beside my CO detector. For some reason it seems go off a lot.
Missed a zero. CO2 is historically between 0.03 & 0.05% Currently claimed to be 0.042% or so.
John Henry
My Carbon Dioxide detector sits next to my BS detector.
Utah used to be a sand covered desert. like the Sahara.
It was also under-water. This explains much of the rock formations that we enjoy today.
Don't build a house next to a cliff, at the bottom of a valley near a river, or at the edge of an ocean.
Forget "climate change" - the earth is moving. The earth does what it wants. Respect it.
Humans should adjust.
Stop thinking you are so damn important.
If you really want to stop "Climate change" - then prove your love for the earth and go full suicide. Humans need recourses to live. We need water, we need fuel. we need heat and cooling to survive.
All leftists should refuse water from the tap, all heat and cooling. Go live naked in the woods and see how you manage. That's the ultimate Green sacrifice.
stop giving money to the Sierra club. All they do is obey China.
I miss the days when we never had hot, dry, cold, wet weather.
The long-term warming expected from climate change is roughly comparable to the difference in average climate between Baltimore and Philadelphia.
Confirmed with Grok.
Peachy+2 said...
I'm so tired of the word "Carbon"
It's CO2. not "carbon"
Yes, but organic chemistry is molecules of carbon chains. The goal is to tax carbon, which is to say, tax everything that lives.
In states that already accomplished this, they have moved on to estate taxes, which is the desire to tax the dead.
Leftists are attracted to doom, bullshit, rage and hysteria.
It's a required and established norm for the cult.
If we don't do A - then B will be the END!
A = government run healthcare/ fed by punitive taxation. Wait in line to die.
A = Climate change hysteria. Jet set class in Aspen.
A = Resist the Oligarchy!
A = Trump is going to round up and kill all the gays and the trans.
A = Immigrations Officers are going to round up citizens.
fear fear fear and loathing.
Leland -
Tax the living to death - then tax them some more?
@ Peachy
Thanks to the internet, prophesies of doom are easier than ever to monetize. I anticipate a continuing increase.
With AI we will all be unemployed and have oodles of extra time on our hands. No one will be in a hurry to get anywhere. Long camel treks will become more common and if you want to see Europe, start rowing.
𝙔𝙤𝙪 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙩𝙪𝙥𝙞𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙡𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙜𝙤 𝙖𝙡𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙘𝙡𝙞𝙢𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙜𝙚 𝙘𝙪𝙡𝙩 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙥𝙤𝙞𝙣𝙩.
I don’t buy this argument. It’s sounds like a smoker trying to argue that the cough they’ve developed is nothing to worry about.
There’s plenty of legitimate room to debate climate sensitivity, future impacts and the costs and benefits of particular policies. But that’s very different from denying the evidence that human greenhouse-gas emissions are the primary cause of current warming. Calling that evidence a “cult” isn’t skepticism; it’s simply dismissing the scientific question rather than engaging with it.
IF "climate change" is happening.. And it's "bad"..
shouldn't we be doing something about China?
what's the point of US becoming "carbon neutral" or whatever;
when China is The LARGEST producer of CO2 (followed by India)
Is it a Problem? or Not?
If global warming makes your vacation uncomfortable, then go on vacation in winter when there is no global warming. Or if global cooling is also a problem, then go in spring or fall when there is global comfortableing.
“China emits more” isn’t an argument for doing nothing.
I forgot the latest rage in death doom and submission.
AI!
IEE (D) - "Do nothing" is a false argument of the left.
The US does plenty. and much of it, is being dismantled because it was all for show.
My favorite (and highly-rated!) comment at the NYT site:
"Many commenters are stressing not flying. How about people who haven't reproduced fly, and the rest stay home. How about people who vote for parties that deny climate change stay home. How about people who have dozens of times more house square footage than they need stay home. There are a lot of incentive based measures that can be done."
Like I've said for years, there's nothing liberal about a Leftist.
It's just good sense to avoid huge crowds when you travel. There's a global middle class which is now travelling and vacationing in all the "bucket list" spots. Avoid any famous site in vacation season. For extra points, claim to be doing it for the climate.
“There’s plenty of legitimate room to debate climate sensitivity, future impacts and the costs and benefits of particular policies. But that’s very different from denying the evidence that human greenhouse-gas emissions are the primary cause of current warming.”
And what evidence would that be, a****le? That it gets hot in summer?
Why do we build mathematical models? Let’s start there. We build them to make predictions about the real world. Will it rain tomorrow? Or in my case, how many simultaneous users can this system response noticeably degrades? How much SST buffer storage improve this? SST is expensive — one can buy way more than you think you need, but that is apt to be career-limiting.
When a model — a climate model — makes predictions, and the predictions do not come to pass, then the model is broken, and must be done over. Instead, I read that NOAA records “adjusted” temperature data, I consider that evidence that instead of adjusting the model to match reality, NOAA is trying to “adjust” reality to match the model.
AI Safety Is Mostly A Sex Cult In Berkeley, California
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/XaHI6
What truly gripes me is when the same people mindless push the Anthropogenic Climate Change hoax, also block every effort to use best practices for forest management. The Palisides fire alone put between 700,000 and 800,000 metric tons of CO2 into the air,
My brother RC upthread, made a point I agree with, travel is probably a minor factor in CO2 emissions. But the problem with all these climate change discussions is we rarely get hard numbers.
And lets not even go into the lack of proven causation between hot summers and CO2 emissions.
If Grok can be believed, Transportation makes up 15 percent of C02 emissions world wide. With 12 percent for buses and cars, and 3 percent for airplanes, ships, and trains.
Will NYT abandon travel writing and travel ads to save the world? I didn't think so.
Here's something more specific to airlines:
"Commercial Aviation: Accounts for about 11% to 11.6% of transport emissions. Passenger flights make up roughly 81% of that slice (the rest is cargo). This totals roughly 882 million metric tons of CO₂, representing about 2% to 2.5% of total global CO₂ emissions"
But, Howard. You keep voting for the people who don't want nuclear power plants.
John henry said...
Missed a zero. CO2 is historically between 0.03 & 0.05% Currently claimed to be 0.042% or so.
John Henry
This depends on your timeline.
It has only been that low for a few hundred thousand years. For most of earth's history it has been much higher.
We are actually healing the earth and bringing it back to balance by freeing the carbon that was trapped under ground. Plants stop being able to respire somewhere under 300ppm.
If the global warming cultists had their way all plant life on the planet would die.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
𝙔𝙤𝙪 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙩𝙪𝙥𝙞𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙜𝙪𝙡𝙡𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙜𝙤 𝙖𝙡𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙘𝙡𝙞𝙢𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙜𝙚 𝙘𝙪𝙡𝙩 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙥𝙤𝙞𝙣𝙩.
I don’t buy this argument. It’s sounds like a smoker trying to argue that the cough they’ve developed is nothing to worry about.
There’s plenty of legitimate room to debate climate sensitivity, future impacts and the costs and benefits of particular policies. But that’s very different from denying the evidence that human greenhouse-gas emissions are the primary cause of current warming. Calling that evidence a “cult” isn’t skepticism; it’s simply dismissing the scientific question rather than engaging with it.
There is absolutely zero evidence that higher CO2 levels raise temperature.
If you want to have some fun go watch geologists laugh at the modern "study" of meteorology.
Climate change is a cult and the "scientists" that push it are more like religious leaders than scientists. They had to completely destroy teaching of the scientific method in schools to make climate change a thing. Only charlatans use the word "consensus." Only zealots treat dissent like heresy.
I want to watch you present and defend any hypothesis that claims changing CO2 from 350ppm to 500 ppm has ANY measurable effect on global temperature.
Please try.
I think Althouse should tax IEE $10 a comment to regulate his emissions on her blog.
It was hot in the summer of ‘95 too when I was 21. And it was hot in the summer of 1936 when my grandpa was 21. And it’s hot this summer when my son is 21.
It’s the McCullough family curse
Leland, good idea. IEE abuses the Cruel Neutrality policy.
“China emits more” isn’t an argument for doing nothing.”
It is when it’s a fraudulent money scamming hoax.
Weather is not the same thing as climate - unless we can use it to terrify others into following our (arbitrary -yet-useful) rules.
Photo caption: '...In Germany, people walk across a stone dam in the Rhine River that is normally covered in water....'
How old is the dam used for people to walk across the river in the summertime, dummy? When was it put there?
Not taxing others isn’t an excuse for doing nothing about IEE emissions.
Top pic is smoke from Canadian wildfires. Which are not caused by "climate change." The "global warming" zealots claim they are because global warming creates "hotter, drier conditions." Which is the opposite of what is predicted, but they cover themselves by saying that the predicted changes are "regional" and that drier places will get drier and wetter places wetter. Another "heads I win, tails you lose" argument.
I wonder why those out-of-control wildfires stop at the Canadian border? Apparently the US of A is not one of the regions which gets drier, bit Canada is.
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