June 9, 2026

"An online debate has been simmering for years over what constitutes an acceptable date, especially if it’s your first as two singles."

"Some people embrace the idea of a cheap date, like a walk in the park or a chat over coffee, to build connection. For others, it’s dinner or nothing — preferably with a $200 minimum spend.... Riding bikes side by side through the city, [said Chester Martin, a 33-year-old musician in Brooklyn], is a 'slightly more elevated version' of going on a walk. And in case his date isn’t in the mood to ride her own bike, he doesn’t mind putting in extra work. 'The person I’m dating now is of the size where she can comfortably sit in the Citi Bike basket,' he said. 'I’ll just grab a bike, she’ll sit in the basket and we’ll go literally from, like, Brooklyn to Manhattan and just talk the whole way.'"

From "Would You Go on a Bike Date? Celebrities have recently been hitting the bike lane with their beaus, but the 'Bicycle Boy' was once branded a type to be avoided" (NYT). 

1. The Citi Bike rental agreement says "You may not exceed the maximum weight limit for the Bicycle (260 pounds) or the basket (17 pounds), and You may not otherwise use the basket improperly.... You understand the basket is not a child seat." But do you understand that it's not a woman seat? And how much does this teeny tiny woman weigh? More than 17 pounds I bet, but who knows?

2. "Once upon a time there was a woman who very much wanted to have a little tiny child.... so she went to an old witch.... 'Oh, we can manage that," said the witch, "there's a barleycorn for you!...'... [T]he woman... went home and planted the barleycorn; and very soon a fine large flower came up.... 'That's a charming flower,' said the woman, and gave it a kiss on its pretty red and yellow petals. But just as she kissed it the flower gave a loud crack and opened. You could see it was a real tulip, only right in the middle of it, on the green stool that is there, sat a tiny little girl, as delicate and pretty as could be. She was only a thumb-joint long, so she was called Thumbelina...."

3. Now, I don't know how well Thumbelina would do in Chester Martin's Citi Bike basket:

4. Be careful, Thumbelina! Shouldn't the musician take better care of you? Is this merely a "slightly more elevated version" of something else you shouldn't be doing? Don't you deserve a bigger "spend"?

5. Do you like "spend" as a noun? "Spend" meaning "The action of spending money; the amount spent" — according to the OED — has been around since the days of John Bunyan. In the late 1600s, he wrote: "What if I cannot but live upon the spend all my days, yet, if my friend will always supply my need, is it not well for me?"

6. It is also obsolete slang meaning "Semen, vaginal secretion; ejaculation." The OED gives this as its oldest example, from 1879-1880: "I felt her crack deluged with a warm, creamy spend whilst my own juice spurted... in loving sympathy." That's from a magazine called "The Pearl: A Magazine of Facetiae and Voluptuous Reading." The story title is "Sub-Umbra, or Sport among the She-Noodles."

7. Now, you have links to the full text of 2 famous and delightful stories. But perhaps you'd prefer to watch Paul Newman demonstrate all the many tricks you can do on a bicycle that are easier than balancing a woman on the handlebars:

72 comments:

Peachy said...

I like what Joe Devito has to say about late in life dating. hilarious.
young dating should be basics. Talking without a cell phone in your pocket. placing a price tag as an obligation or rule is for the birds. resist!

Peachy said...

a first date should be free coffee at the bank.

RCOCEAN II said...

C'mon thats ridiculous. There's no way even a 95 lbs. Woman could sit in that basket and "talk all the way from Manhattan to Brooklyn". How the hell could he even steer the bike?

RCOCEAN II said...

We used the double up on bikes as 12 y/o kids. But you rode in the back.

Jamie said...

"Especially if it's your first [date] as two singles"? Isn't that still the norm for dates? Or is the entirety of New York City now going poly or separatist Mormon or traditional Islamist or something?

(Or is it just the culture desk at the NYT?)

Not an oldster. said...

Is it mushroom season in Madison???

Never change, proffy! It's like a redhead playing a dizzy blonde...

Not an oldster. said...

Wait... no one is going to address number six?

I see what you did there... you two kids made love this morning! Go brewers

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

No I don’t like “spend” as a noun nor like an adjective “spendy” as a tool designer with whom I worked used to use it.

rcommal said...

I remember being given rides on the handlebars of a bike. But man, that was so long ago it seems like the Dark Ages, though it was nothing but fun (and occasionally a tad heart-stopping)

Regards,

Lori (reader_iam)

P.S. I was very short then (still am, but even shorter), and not in a fat phase. Still. The basket thing seems a bit dicey for the reasons mentioned, and also the distance claimed.

Peachy said...

Paul Newman = I will be your she-noodle.

RCOCEAN II said...

Here's the IBM 7094 singing a bicycle built for two: https://www.reddit.com/r/Musicthemetime/comments/1ozyqe0/ibm_7094_daisy_bell_aka_bicycle_built_for_two_the/

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Sometimes you don’t realize you are on a first date until the other person reveals it.

Wilbur said...

Sport among the She-Noodles was, ahem, interesting.

Enigma said...

Going back to arranged marriages would eliminate dating angst and "bicycle boy" scorn in one fell swoop. They'd ensure that the grievance hierarchy stays intact.

If they frame this as "bad boys who don't play by the rules" like the San Francisco cyclists who take over the city streets regularly, the women would swoon too.

rcommal said...

I can remember doing risky things all the time growing up. Of course that was a much more free-range time, throughout the '60s and into the '70s. Remember the old free-standing bike racks? In elementary school we used to use them as balance beams, I guess inspired by the Olympics, maybe? I don't remember. Cuts and bruises ensued, but it still was fun. Of course, back in those days all of the playground equipment was on cement or blacktop, too, at school. You took your lumps and moved on.

RCOCEAN II said...

Yes, you can ride on the handlebards for small distances, but it was just an accident waiting to happen and you had to be small. Usually you could rest your feet on the forks.

rcommal said...

I can also remember balancing on the cross bar of a guy's bike. I'm really not sure in retrospect how we managed to make that work without falling over, but in fact we never did. Maybe my guy friends had exceptional centers of balance or something. Who knows.

Regards,

Lori (reader_iam)

RCOCEAN II said...

I was riding in the back on the rack and my friend went into the gravel shoulder and off I went, did a header and landed on my back uninjured. Being a stupid kid, i just laughed. Looking back, I was lucky I didn't break my Goddamn Neck.
As Rod Dreher, would say: 6th grade. Man.

But i never doubled up with my friend again. He was a menace on two wheels.

Eva Marie said...

He was probably dating E.T.

J L Oliver said...

How does one have a conversation while riding bikes or while stuffed in a basket in NYC traffic?

Wince said...

I wonder if Graham Platner had one of those spank books with him in the porta-potty? Except he'd use the term "hatchet wound" instead of "crack."

Jamie said...

Anyone who has traveled in Central America or the Caribbean has seen families of four or five draped over a single scooter. But those have the advantage of mechanized movement. Balancing a bike with even a very small human in a basket in front of the handlebars, while trying to get going from a full stop (as would certainly pertain at least once every, what, quarter mile? as you cross the city), would not make a dude look manly. And this supposed tiny woman is pretty clearly a Manic Pixie Dreamgirl archetype, clutching the little basket in which she sits as she shrieks happily into the wind of their passage, uncaring about her physical safety or her hair, and not carrying a purse. She's Not Like Other Girls.

In short, I call BS: this person is himself on the twinky side, not that there's anything wrong with that, and hasn't ever gone on a date or, possibly, a bike ride.

rcommal said...

That is a very cool link to the IBM 7094 singing " A Bicycle Built for Two" (recorded in 1961, no less, the year I was born)!

Here's a hyperlinke to it, in case anybody missed it and is interested in hearing it.

Regards,

Lori (reader_iam)

tcrosse said...

Do I like "spend" as a nout? That's quite an ask. Or that's my take.

n.n said...

Is it a working or social date? Are there expectations of receiving "benefits"? If the meeting includes a visit to PP umbrella corporation, that's a tell.

rcommal said...

Back to the topic. My first thought actually was, "Simmering for years? WTH? Really?

Guess I've been hanging out in the wrong places all of these years.

I haven't dated since the earliest '90s. What would be a good first date now? Hmmm. Probably, maybe, a meetup at one of the live music offerings in one of the town squares of The Villages. Or maybe a slow stroll on a golf path. I dunno. I'm not ready to contemplate that yet.

Earnest Prole said...

Cheap first date versus expensive first date is the perfect sorting mechanism for materialist superficiality.

rcommal said...

I'm thinking the hypothetical "we" would each take our own golf cart for the meetup, just in case either wanted to bail unawkwardly.

LOL.

Regards,

Lori (reader_iam)

gilbar said...

"... For others, it’s dinner or nothing
— preferably with a $200 minimum spend..."

for MANY women today, it's cash or NOTHING..
because they are WHORES

men; ask yourself, WHY does she want to be with you?
to be with you? or for money?
If a woman refuses to be with you, unless you are paying for her..
well, there is a word for her

Peachy said...

Graham Platner is vile. The she-dems don't care about any of his abuses towards women.

n.n said...

Riding an electric bike is a silent judgment. If it's vegan, don't forget to bring B12 supplements... and a trough.

Peachy said...

Graham Platner(D) hates Jews, jerks off in porta potties, has a vile Nazi Tattoo, and refers to female genitalia as "hatchet wound"

The perfect candidate for CR Cola.

rehajm said...

Friends went on a bike tour to that across Iowa bike tour thing. She’s a bit

rehajm said...

…frou frou but was game. Now this tour is a bit like progressive camping where you the bikers are the philanthropists leaving your money in the towns along the route. You but their baked goods pay to use their car washes and hoses in their yard as showers, sleep in their well loved tents they put on their lawn. The lady was mortified but they’re still married..:

Peachy said...

Ragbrai!

Fred Drinkwater said...

PSA: Do not be tempted to take your first date to that interesting new movie, "A Clockwork Orange".

Hey Skipper said...

The first date with my now wife was a bike date.

We agreed to meet at Blenheim Palace, equal distant from Upper Heyford, where she lived, and Ascott under Wychwood (just a couple miles from Clarkson's Farm), where I lived.

I had a road bike that I used just slightly more than casually. I expected her to show up on a chick bike, with a flowered basket and tassels on the handle bars.

Uhhh. No. Full on custom racing bike. I spent the next 25 miles risking a heart attack just hanging on to her rear wheel — better to die than look bad.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Here’s proof it can be done. I’m sure it’s a bit easier with an e-bike than a traditional bike.

As for the 17 pound weight limit, the lawyers put that clause in the rental agreement to avoid liability and … it’s a rental agreement and the first rule of renting is to not always expect that you will get your property back in the same condition as when you lent it.

Big Mike said...

For others, it’s dinner or nothing — preferably with a $200 minimum spend....

The single New York female comes across as a money-grubbing sort of creature.

loudogblog said...

Do you like "spend" as a noun?

To me, it's very corporate sounding. "Last year, the advertising spend was about $6,000,000."

Aggie said...

Wait a minute..... I thought we had progressed past this role playing and chauvinism? I thought the modern woman was assertive, independent, brave. So liberated, that the very idea of masculine deference is to be treated with scorn and disdain.

But now I see a curious selectivity being applied to all those declared freedoms. All of the above, except now the man should be paying up front, making financial commitments in advance of any social transactions - assuming he's over 6'2" and so forth. Doesn't sound very liberating to me. Doesn't sound very liberated, either.

tim maguire said...

If a woman demands a high-end meal for a first date, that is a big flashing red flag. She is using men for free food. Meeting for coffee has a lot to recommend it on a lot of levels and any woman worth your time will want that or something similar.

imTay said...

Whether we like it or not, "spend" is a noun. There is no Academy of the English Language, like the French have.

imTay said...

tim maguire is right. The only way I would spring for an expensive first date is if I already knew the woman in some other way and liked her already. If you don't know her, coffee is a better choice.

rehajm said...

That’s it Peachy! Sounded like Hell to me but can appreciate others appreciation…

Fred Drinkwater said...

Skipper, I still have my wife's first good bike that she had when we met, a Bob Jackson, hanging partly wrecked on the wall of our garage. We eventually ended up going to ride / follow the TDF for our 30th anniversary. Climbed Ventoux, Alpe d'Huez, and Telegraphe. Saw the finish in Paris.

tcrosse said...

The price having been negotiated beforehand, the gentleman then leaves the agreed amount on the dresser top on his way out. The procedure may differ if there is a third party who arranges the date and collects payment.

Old and slow said...

My first date with my longtime "girlfriend" (hate that word, but what else is there?) was stripping flagstone from an abandoned house. We loaded up a whole truck bed.

First date with my ex wife was going to pick up a huge trailer mounted diesel powered air compressor. It was extremely poorly balanced and the tongue was very heavy. She got her fingers smashed when she tried to grab the hitch as it was falling.

I know what the ladies really appreciate.

Marcus Bressler said...

"This is our first date," I announced, as I took off her blindfold and loosened the restraints just a little bit.

Marcus Bressler said...

I read these naughty books as a young teen: The Pearl, My Secret Life, and A Man and a Maid. The use of "spend" in all forms was prevalent

Bruce Hayden said...

“If a woman demands a high-end meal for a first date, that is a big flashing red flag. She is using men for free food. Meeting for coffee has a lot to recommend it on a lot of levels and any woman worth your time will want that or something similar.”

Apparently, now, 5he required thing in NYC is to provide her with a car service on their first date.

My view is that much of this is supply and demand. My partner grew up in Las Vegas. Her first, and usually only, date with a guy, was a dinner and a show. Not the sort of shows that you might find anywhere else (even NYC), but Vegas headliner shows. That might earn the guy a peck on the cheek at the end of the night.

Friends told her that she could never have to pay for dinner if she wanted, by just dating guys again that she had dated one time. But she was “interviewing” them, and, absent sex, that would have been cheating.

The guy who caught her? An offer to come in and wait inside for a ride from her father. Plus a cup of coffee. Turns out it was a very good cup of coffee. He was the chef there, and setting up for the day. He worked, they talked while he did so, and his brothers would hit on her whenever he stepped out of the room. At the end, when her ride showed up, asked her for a date. She pulled out her calendar. And told him she had an opening in six weeks. Six weeks later he called her up for that date. Took her dancing, and told her during a slow dance that he was going to marry her. She laughed at him, but three years later won the bet.

Peachy said...

yeah - it's a long bike ride from one side of Iowa to the other.. each and every summer. it's become quite popular.

Enigma said...

Why not "spend a penny" for access to a public toilet? You get to "spend" from the very start, and maybe have all sorts of George Michael-style spending possibilities once inside.

So, so romantic too.

Peachy said...

Men - stay away from white leftist females. They are all spamburgers.

Peachy said...

speaking of Ragbrai -
First date at Buckees! now that might work. so many choices... and breakfast pizza.

Political Junkie said...

I maintain a walk date is more elevated than a bicycle date. Bicycle date there is less communication. Walking date you show your fitness and your mental abilities.
Or, walk > bike.

Enigma said...

@Peachy --

Buc-ee's is the new "road trip" Disney, and certainly not Woke. A date could range from inexpensive to massively costly, depending on shopping taste. Shopping through the store would reveal a whole bunch about a person's style and taste and thinking.

Lucien said...

I haven’t dated in over 30 years, but think that asking someone out to an interesting restaurant that one likes has a chance of making a good impression. (I suppose these days I’d have to ask about her nut allergies and gluten tolerance first.)

Mason G said...

"For others, it’s dinner or nothing — preferably with a $200 minimum spend...."

Sounds good to me. You're buying, right?

Assistant Village Idiot said...

There was a second verse, or at lest my wife's sorority thought so in the early 70s.

Billy, Billy, here is my answer true
You're half crazy if you think that I'd marry you
If you can't afford a carriage
You can't afford a marriage
And Ill be damned
Before I'm crammed
On a bicycle built for two.

Joe Bar said...

I recall a dinner date my wife and I saw at a restaurant about 15 years ago. Two attractive young people, apparently meeting for the first time, were eating near us. The young woman went full bore, and ordered appetizers, large drinks, and a big steak. The young man just had a salad with chicken. I hope that was not their first date.

Peachy said...

Buc-ees! non-woke -- I'm in. anyone who took me there on a first date would be my true love.

rcommal said...

OK, that's ^^^ pretty funny. Did they actually sing that, Assistant Village Idiot? And what did you think at the time?

Regards,

Lori (reader_iam)

rcommal said...

Me, I'm firmly a senior citizen now. To use a cliche, I'm not looking for purse or a nurse, nor am I seeking to be either of them. A nice walk or a quiet cup of coffee or just hanging out listening to some live music would be just fine with me. And I don't need or want someone to pay my way. You know, gold-digging is gold digging, and if you're expecting someone to drop at least a couple of bills on you on a first date, well, I don't think you're much of catch. Just my two cents.

Regards,

Lazarus said...

Would it be sexist to say that the NYT Style pages are still written by and for She-Noodles?

"I felt her crack deluged with a warm, creamy spend whilst my own juice spurted... in loving sympathy."

"Her crack"? So nineteenth century. Aren't we supposed to say "hatchet wound" now?

Riding bikes side by side through the city is a 'slightly more elevated version' of going on a walk

It's also a great way to get dirty looks from motorists.

Michael said...


(Said in my best Lazlo voice): Anal costs nothing .

gilbar said...

just to be clear.. Here are TWO IMPORTANT FACTS..
1) women DEMAND that they makes as much (or more) than men.
2) women DEMAND that the men pay for EVERY THING

and bonus fact #3) women expect expensive things

oh! oh! and bonus bonus fact
#4) women will not ask for ANY THING if they're attracted to a guy

tcrosse said...

The advantage of a walk over a bike ride is that one can more easily hold hands and kiss.

Fred Drinkwater said...

In the Olden Days at Berkeley, the saying was that (the foreign student) women were all looking for the Three Ps:
PhD
Property
Permanent Residency

I learned about this from other foreign student women. Who Weren't Like That.

RCOCEAN II said...

First date - help you move furniture.
That'll separate the wheat from the chaff.

Mason G said...

oh! oh! and bonus bonus fact
#4) women will not ask for ANY THING if they're attracted to a guy


As well, she'll be upset if the guy doesn't know what she wants without her telling him. And she won't tell you why ("It's nothing!") she's upset.

JIM said...

Then came Bronson, on a CitiBike, dazzling the Ladies with his non-stop biker jive.

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