"... regarding a complete and total resolution of our hostilities in the Middle East. Based on the tenor and tone of these in-depth, detailed, and constructive conversations, which will continue throughout the week, I have instructed the Department of War to postpone any and all military strikes against Iranian power plants and energy infrastructure for a five-day period, subject to the success of the ongoing meetings and discussions. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
Writes President Donald J. Trump at Truth Social. He's got it in all caps. He's shouting it from the rooftop, I guess. That doesn't make it true, but I hope it's true.
UPDATE:
"Oil Prices Tumble and Stocks Rise as Trump Backs Off Threats to Iran Infrastructure" (NYT)("Despite Tehran responding to Mr. Trump by saying that no such talks were taking place, the gains in stocks and drop in oil mostly held").
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He withdrew his threat to commit war crimes? Who would have thought. This change of course surprised exactly 0 people.
Good news, because I don't want to die in a Nuclear War. I just want to live like an Ape Man.
The only thing I can see that's positive here, is that Trump finally wants this thing to end. However, Iran still gets a vote.
I guess that his son in law doesn’t want whatever is left of his oil investments in the Gulf, and his non-Israeli donors don’t see the upside in a years long halt to oil production from the Gulf states.
He tweeted that threat in the wee hours, maybe he needs a night nurse keeping an eye on him.
A cynical person might wonder how much money people close to him are making as he talks the markets up and down, but not me, I don’t wonder about that at all.
Hopes and prayers are cheap.
If you want peace, you've got to raise your voices and stand with America, nor Israel...
We are not the same.
I voted for him three times and he was lying, and don’t get me started on Pinocchio Kegs Breath.
But if I were Iran, I would operate under the assumption that it’s another lie.
Timmy Timmy Tim Tim. You and the lefty running dogs you’ve aligned yourself parrot our beloved media’s mendacious attempts to convince Americans we’re losing this war.
You can all fuck right off.
Trump’s calling in to CNBC and FOX Business. It’s obvious what’s going on here.
And now, the Iranians are on familiar ground. Trump granted extensions before - until he didn't. Will they take it seriously this time?
for a five-day period, subject to the success of the ongoing meetings and discussions.
Shorter Trump: You have three days to fully surrender.
Why does this news excite the lunatic lefties?
I suspect they are terrified that Trump (and America) will come out the big winner in this fight.
Kevin has it right. This is Trump changing the conversation long enough to give the military time to assess the battlefield, make adjustments and then continue the campaign. In the meantime, the IDF will take out the IRGC negotiators.
Why does this news excite the lunatic lefties?
I think they fear Dave Begley is right.
The litmus test is simple… how many ships pass through the SoH unharmed.
Just heard Trump give remarks to the Press. It is true. Complete surrender coming soon.
We are at the third tier of leadership. The writing is on the wall. Why continue to fight when there is no hope of victory. Better to save your skin and cut a deal with Trump.
That doesn't make it true, but I hope it's true.
Why would Trump lie? Especially about something as important as this?
However, wasn't he initially demanding "unconditional surrender", or maybe for the Iranians to rise up against their oppressors? You don't need "constructive conversations" if you are demanding "unconditional surrender".
Oh boy....looks like Bich tried to short the market on Friday afternoon.
The Iran regime has never negotiated anything in good faith. I doubt they have any intention of starting now.
There are strong indications of a split in the Iranian government with the normal governing apparatus favoring a settlement and the largely leaderless IRGC wanting to go down in a blaze of glory. Who comes out on top in Iran? I think the people themselves will eventually make their choice known and probably not later than in a couple of weeks- Iran's military is cooked.
The Iran regime has never negotiated anything in good faith.
Neither does the Trump administration (which of course is typical of his entire career).
Great. Let's see if he can pull it off.
Why does this post have an immigration tag?
Democrats keep saying that Trump had no strategic goal in starting a war with Iran. Instead of complaining from the peanut gallery, they could think of one and share it with him.
Iran says that there have been no negotiations. Trump is lying again. How long before you catch on?
And he didn't even mention Israel. What about them?
There are strong indications that nobody knows what's going on. It's the Tule Fog of War.
Whatever. I thought Trump was demanding unconditional surrender. I'll believe it when I see it. I just hope the Israelis don't murder the Iranian delegation during the signing of the cease fire.
Almost all of you people, Libturd and Trump's Cucks alike, can't handle uncertainty.
Democrats keep saying that Trump had no strategic goal in starting a war with Iran.
If he is going to war without justifying what he was doing or a goal, why do you think it is up to the Democrats to come up with a strategic goal. Even if they did, what makes you think Trump would listen to it?
The Democrats could have stopped this, but Schumer postponed the vote in order to pressure Trump to act, because Schumer is probably closer to Bibi than Trump. I figured all along that this was a twofer for Schumer, get the war Bibi wants and get rid of Trump with one stroke. He will almost certainly be majority leader because of this war.
I don't think the Iranians are stupid enough (after two sneak attacks and murder of their leaders during fake peace negotiations) to believe anything Israel dominated Trump says. So, I assume they'll be on their guard and know Israel (and therefore the USA) has not given up on "Regime change".
If I was Iran I'd be contacting North Korea and asking them for a couple of Nukes. They tried to make a deal, and this is what they got. Maybe if Iran has several H-bombs Trump will think twice about more murder and bombing.
As we can already see above. Anything Trump accomplishes will be viewed as a failure.
Freder you don't even like Jews.
Somebody owes Dave an apology.
Trump: We may have had a breakthrough in Iran that could end the war.
Most people: Oh I hope so. Wouldn't that be great?
Dems: Oh No!
Actually kim made a deal in 2017, but the khorramsahr is the hwaesong upgrade
"who wants to be the last Revolutionary Guard to die in a war?"
"who wants to be the first mullah to be hanged from a crane?"
CC, JSM
Nothing is in good faith when it comes to the Middle East. Nothing is to be taken at face value. Our own government isn't an exception to that either.
Yes, Trump is the first president ever to pay attention to the markets and use the bully pulpit to jawbone them. Utter claptrap. CC, JSM
Freder you don't even like Jews.
You know this how? It is equivalent to saying I don't like Americans because of the actions of the current administration.
“They will understand that they are below and we are above.” - Netanyahu this morning.
Sounds like a shout out to Christian Zionists.
Everyone liked Iran better when they were ruled by a brutal dictator, the Shah, and his secret police, SAVAK, along with the CIA and Mossad.
Someone asked me how I could oppose this war when my own mother’s country was liberated by American military, as if it were the same thing. The Iranians had overthrown a foreign installed dictator, and we are trying to take it back and install a Quisling, Holland had been invaded by a foreign power.
How people think this is the same thing, well it makes me wonder if they are just modeling stupidity, hoping people buy their nonsense.
My guess is that the military told him that they needed more than 48 hours.
As I wrote that, I realized your response wil be, "you don't like Americans either".
So I will spare you having to type your stunning comeback.
Wondering if Chuck Schumer and Hakeem "The Dream" Jefferies will attend the unconditional surrender signing ceremony on the USS Gerald R. Ford.
I know several Jewish people, very well. I don’t use the term “Jews” to describe them as a group, and I don’t know one who approves of what Israel has been doing, either in Gaza, or this war.
It’s the Zionists that I really dislike, both Jewish and Christian. Don’t start accusing me of hating Christians for that, either.
Did you not hear about the Ford? The Iranians claimed to have hit it, and we say that there was a laundry fire, which took 30 hours to put out, so I am guessing it wouldn’t be that ship, nor the Harry S Truman, which the Houthis sent home light three F-18s and with a damaged flight deck.
Are you guys sure that you are getting the whole story? Like the F-35 that we have admitted was hit by the Iranians and just made it back to Saudi Arabia and did a hard landing in the desert.
This war is stupidity on stilts and is being pushed by religious zealots who believe that the Old Testament gives Israel dominion over the Middle East, just look at Netanyahu’s quote above.
Wondering if Chuck Schumer and Hakeem "The Dream" Jefferies will attend the unconditional surrender signing ceremony on the USS Gerald R. Ford.
You don't negotiate an unconditional surrender. The last time we imposed an unconditional surrender on anyone it took an occupation force of over 3 million men (ours and our allies). We didn't even demand an unconditional surrender of Japan (granted, it was pretty close).
Besides the Gerald R Ford is undergoing emergency repairs in Crete (after a fire in the laundry room and plumbing issues) and will probably end up needed significant repairs back in Norfolk, as it has been at sea for almost a year now.
“Wondering if Chuck Schumer and Hakeem "The Dream" Jefferies will attend the unconditional surrender signing ceremony on the USS Gerald R. Ford.”
They should take the two seditious, moronic mooks and hang them from a crane… make it a PPV.
Trump is completely devastating the global energy supply and he does not have the support from our Allies or the American people so his fallback strategy is always to lie.
Funny "Man Carrying things" video that seems to fit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-vJCCYjx40
Why would Trump lie? Especially about something as important as this?
Because the truth sucks. Trump started an elective war with no exit strategy. His voters swore this would never happen. He was the only modern president that didn't start pointless wars. Remember?
I have instructed the Department of War to postpone any and all military strikes against Iranian power plants and energy infrastructure for a five-day period, subject to the success of the ongoing meetings and discussions. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
But not against the rulers. So, who cares?
They'r still killing the people who need to die, they're just trying to make sure it's easy for the Shaw to start rebuilding the country if he takes over.
Ignore what Trump says, look at what he does
Freder Frederson said...
However, wasn't he initially demanding "unconditional surrender", or maybe for the Iranians to rise up against their oppressors? You don't need "constructive conversations" if you are demanding "unconditional surrender".
Jesus you people are stupid.
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' while looking for a rock."
Right now, Trump is saying "nice doggie", while giving his sniper a chance to get a good shot lined up.
It does seriously appear that either everyone on the Left is a complete and total moron, or else the word "Trump" immediately causes you all to lose about 30 IQ points
Well, the frothing at the mouth crowd is on turbo mode this morning.
Freder Frederson said...
Yancy: The Iran regime has never negotiated anything in good faith.
Neither does the Trump administration (which of course is typical of his entire career).
Really? Do tell.
Please do tell of even one agreement that President Trump has made where he then reneged.
I'll wait
Many members of the TACO faction of the IRGC have recently become indisposed.......Suppose Iran gets lucky and hits a nuclear reactor in Israel. Do they really think Israel's response will be "proportionate". Iran's best chance of survival is to lose this war and lose it soon.
One problem is the state of the Iranian government. Basically, there are three power centers, all illegitimate, competing for power. There's the IRGC, essentially a Muslim Schutzstaffel. Then there's the ever-shifting "Supreme Revolutionary Council" who are primarily concerned with protecting their Swiss bank accounts. Lastly, there is Mojtaba Khamenei, who is fully absorbed in his frantic search for Amanda Hugginkess.
Please do tell of even one agreement that President Trump has made where he then reneged.
Trump has a long history of stiffing contractors. And he has abrogated practically every trade treaty the U.S. has signed. His tariffs change practically every day.
I could go on, but you apparently are intentionally ignorant.
You can claim that our invasion of Iraq was a mistake. You cannot, however, claim that this invasion was a victory for Saddam. I can think of a scenario where this turns out to be a mistake for us. I cannot, however, think of a scenario where it turns out to be a victory for the Mullahs, especially the dead ones.
Please do tell of even one agreement that President Trump has made where he then reneged.
His marriage vows to his first two wives? And I doubt Ivana wanted to be buried on a golf course.
All the dedicated cult leftists = lol
Freder has a long history of being a dedicated leftist democrap and a liar.
I am Tucker / Tim in Vermont… ah poor sad fuck Zionist obsessive
If Trump strikes you as erratic and inconsistent, perhaps he has the same effect on his opponents in Iran. Maybe Netanyahu is playing the role of the bad cop. Maybe any minute Trump will take on that role. If the war gets out of hand, it will be bad for us and catastrophic for Iran. Do you think this might influence their negotiating stance. Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia are better role models than Gaza, Syria, Libya. The percentage play is not Gaza.
RCO: Let's hope the Jews don't sabotage victory.
Fredo: Let's hope Trump does sabotage victory.
Just a couple of sad losers who hate more than they actually think.
Apparently they shot down the F-35 with an undetectable passive infrared system that was carried in the back of an F-250, or the Chinese equivalent of one. A civilian pickup truck, in any event. We are cluing in the Chinese now, and the Russians, showing our hand, over what? Because we hate Mooselims!
If it is a Chinese system, you can be sure that they can make a lot of them cheaply. Peace, coexistence, and negotiations would be the better path.
There is no "victory" for ordinary Americans here, Iran was no threat to us. Especially if we let them be, like they have been just being for 2,500 years or so, not bothering anybody in the West, except that all of that oil was an awful temptation for Western leaders.
"There is no surer harbinger of war and strife than the discovery of great wealth" - Tacticus.
Decadent American Zionist hate fueled obsessive have no issue with iran’s theocratic Islamic brutality and terror against their own citizens.
An end to the never ending Palestinian eternal victim wars funded by Iran is unacceptable to Zionist obsessives.
Freder Frederson said...
"Freder you don't even like Jews.
You know this how? It is equivalent to saying I don't like Americans because of the actions of the current administration."
I rest my case.
I know some Jews and they Despise people like Tucker / Tim in vermint
Decadent American Zionist hate fueled obsessive have no issue with iran’s theocratic Islamic brutality and terror against their own citizens.
I am more concerned about American brutality and terror against Iranian citizens (and Cubans, since apparently Trump is using starvation as a weapon there).
Apparently doesn't cut it Tim.
I rest my case.
Unlike Achilles, I don't wish death, imprisonment or exile on 100 million of my fellow citizens, even Achilles.
Freder you know NOTHING about the history of communism and communist Cuba. With that you are heartless and stupid.
Freder knows nothing about the cruel greed and brutality of the Castro family
No premature withdrawals. No gifting the IRGC. Keep going.
“Well, the frothing at the mouth crowd is on turbo mode this morning.”
Their fevered dreams have kicked in and they are hellbent on securing their defeat from the jaws of bumfuzzlement.
Trump trolling. Take him “seriously, but not literally.” Salena Zito. Trump is a POTUS plagued by seditionists. Why would he want the enemy, abroad or at home, to know what he is doing?
Freder: “Unlike Achilles, I don't wish death, imprisonment or exile on 100 million of my fellow citizens, even Achilles.”
Oh stop projecting and fuck off! It’s Pritzker, the Democrat. Talking about prosecuting the opposition and Biden, the Democrat, who did it, often without benefit of due process. You lefties have an infinite capacity for tolerating the intolerable from your amoral consorts.
Freder knows nothing about the cruel greed and brutality of the Castro family
There is a reason why Communist revolutions succeed. Cuba was hardly a beacon of democracy and good government before the revolution. Havana was run by the mafia and a good chunk of the rest of the country was run by oligarchs that treated their employees like serfs.
Oh stop projecting and fuck off!
I am not projecting. Achilles actually wrote a couple months back that 30% of the U.S. population deserved imprisonment, death or exile.
Who is even left for the U.S. to talk to in Iran?
Freder Frederson said...
Please do tell of even one agreement that President Trump has made where he then reneged.
Trump has a long history of stiffing contractors.
You claimed the Trump Admin hasn't negotiated in good faith.
That's not "Trump dealing with contractors"
And he has abrogated practically every trade treaty the U.S. has signed.
Trump dumping actions by a previous Admin is not "Trump Admin negotiating in bad faith"
His tariffs change practically every day.
So name a specific Trump Admin negotiated tariff where there was an agreement with another country that Trump then unilaterally reneged.
Or negotiations where Trump offered X, the other side accepted, and then he said "no, actually I want Y".
Is the problem just that you're so stupid that you don't even know what "negotiated in bad faith" means?
Let me give you an example: 1986 Immigration deal: One time only amnesty for illegals in the US, in exchange for immigration laws being enforced in the future. The Open Borders crowd got their amnesty, then immediately went to court to get the enforcement sabotaged.
Now, do you have any real examples? Or just TDS whining?
Freder … Cuba is stuck in a poverty time trap. Communism jails innocents , steals land and destroys freedom.
You really are a communist stooge.
Freder you are an ignorant embarrassment
Apparently ghalibaf who is the speaker
“Apparently they shot down the F-35 with an undetectable passive infrared system that was carried in the back of an F-250, or the Chinese equivalent of one. “
Ha, but they only had one laser bullet because otherwise they would have “shot down” another one. And the pieces of the plane and the pilot were never shown on Iran TV.
1 F250 > 1 F 35.
Under Trump, Americans in wartime now face an unprecedented reality: the enemy's account often seems more credible than our own government's.
The Trump administration have become Baghdad Bob.
If you don’t know what you’re doing neither does your enemy ~ MAGA
Trump said Iran had until 7:44 PM to open Hormuz or he would bomb power plants.
Iran said it would bomb desalination plants in response.
Iran still refuses to open the Straits.
Trump announces he will not bomb power plants, citing “peace talks.”
Iran denies peace talks.
Communism jails innocents , steals land and destroys freedom.
So does fascism and rule by organized. And that was basically what Cuba was. Batista was on Meyer Lansky's payroll at about 3-5 million a year.
"organized crime"
So.... hand over all the enriched (beyond needed for power) before the deadline. Allow a team of inspectors into the ICBM and other missile facilities and any other damn place we want. Assure those remaining in power that any delay of future inspections would restart the bombardment. Any missiles fired at Israel would restart the bombardment.
And a few other things. This isn't a toothless (aka Obama) treaty we are negotiating it's surrender.
Dave Begley said...
Wondering if Chuck Schumer and Hakeem "The Dream" Jefferies will attend the unconditional surrender signing ceremony on the USS Gerald R. Ford.
Doubt it. The Ford is out of commission for 12-18 months because of the laundry fire. Currently in a shipyard in Souda Bay Crete.
John Henry
Iran denies peace talks.
They would have to, wouldn't they? What Iranian is going to keep fighting and dying if the war was about to end?
How can an Iranian continue to believe this is a holy war for the end of times, if your leadership is openly discussing terms of surrender?
Freder,
We did demand an unconditional surrender of Germany in 45. It still took a couple days of:
Well, can we just...
No
How about ...
No
and so on.
They finally got to this:
ACT OF MILITARY SURRENDER
We the undersigned, acting by authority of the German High Command, hereby surrender unconditionally to the Supreme Commander, Allied Expeditionary Force and simultaneously to the Supreme High Command of the Red Army all forces on land, at sea, and in the air who are at this date under German control.
Emph Added
John Henry
Freder, you say, off topic, that Trump has a long history of stiffing contractors?
I've been hearing this for more than 10 years now. Including from you, including from Hilary in the debate.
I've asked you this before and I'll keep asking:
Got any names, or examples? Best Hilary could do was some unnamed architect for some unspecified clubhouse.
Surely you can provide examples.
John Henry
The Trump administration, which definitely carefully planned its war on Iran and thought through all the potential implications, seems to be getting increasingly worried about the completely unforeseeable rise in gas prices.
Dear Leader does not trouble himself with these petty details. The power of his will is sufficient to solve all problems.
Interestingly, the price of stupidity increases with supply.
Freder Frederson said...
So does fascism and rule by organized. And that was basically what Cuba was. Batista was on Meyer Lansky's payroll at about 3-5 million a year
Cuba has had 500 years of viscious dictators. Batista, bad as he was, was worse than a few better than some. Kind of the story of all of south and central Spanish America.
Yet somehow, even though there were dozens of ferries and flights daily to US and elsewhere, even though there were no restrictions on leaving, even though there was little restriction on entering the US,
There was no mass migration until Castro took over.
It was easier to flea under Batista and few did it.
Fleaing under Castro could get you shot and hundreds of thousands fled.
Hmmm.....
John Henry
"Iran denies peace talks."
Iran denied having missiles with a range over 2000km.
Machado and his porra were worse in the 20s batista was the hero along with the student movement the university president grau was elected during the war
Batista put two communists in the cabinet in the 30s
If you take your history from the godfather you are farked
Iran is playing a dangerous game. They have no air defense system. Saudi Arabia and Israel have air power. If they knock out a desalination plant in Saudi Arabia or a nuclear power station in Israel, what's to keep Israel or Saudi Arabia by replying in a disproportionate way. These are Middle Eastern rules. Genocide is part of the negotiating strategy. Things could go very badly for everyone, but net/net, Iran will be the big loser.
ImTay and Freder, if you two are serious people ( a proposition for which there is no evidence) you are going to to be seriously embarrassed when our President concludes this endeavor and the Middle East is forever changed.
Taiwan under Chiang was a Fascist dictatorship. It is now a democracy with a European standard of living. Ditto with South Korea.....Franco was one of OG Fascists and his country evolved into a democracy (now guided by a Socialist government). Why do so many Fascist countries end up as prosperous democracies and so many Communist countries end up as so dark and dank and with so many of their most talented citizens in prison or exile.
John Henry (1:11pm):
Several years ago I read a very convincing story by a New Yorker about Trump “stiffing contractors”. It said that sleazy NY contractors will sometimes demand more money before finishing, or do a shoddy or late-delivered (or both) and still demand full payment. Trump is an on-time-and-under-budget guy (most famously with the ice rink repairs) and doesn’t play those games. The “stiffed” contractors were those he refused to pay for work they didn’t do.
ImTay and Freder are anti-imperialists. That is the supreme moral value. The women in Afghanistan have rejoiced in the triump of the Taliban, but this was a victory for the forces of anti-imperialism and so ImTay and Freder rejoiced.....The ethnic Chinese lived in Vietnam for centuries. They were expelled from their homes and their property was confiscated after the triumph of the Communists. This looked something like ethnic cleansing, but on the other hand it was a victory for the anti-imperialists and so a great triumph.
Timmeh is a moron hes not dutch and hes not from vermont maybe one of ritmos relative
If the left and their running dog besties are upset and yelling about “it”, one can rest assured that what the Trump administration is doing to mitigate “it”, is the right thing to do.
This rule applies to every problem or issue that is being addressed.
Yes they are johnny one note
"Iran denies peace talks"
Who speaks for Iran?. Is there anybody left ?
The “stiffed” contractors were those he refused to pay for work they didn’t do.
That is pretty much what I've always seen, Doc. The only specific name I saw was a finish carpenter that did a bunch of cabinetry in one of the NJ casinos, Trump said the work was shoddy and took some money off the bill. Pretty much standard when working with any contractor to wind up arguing whether the work meets spec and if not, how much to take off.
The contractor was so offended that 2 months later he took on another job for Trump.
You can't stay in the building business all those years stiffing contractors. You might get away with it once. Try it a second time and everyone will know. And they won't do business with you except for cash in advance and a hefty premium.
John Henry
but this was a victory for the forces of anti-imperialism and so ImTay and Freder rejoiced.
And you know this how? Please provide any evidence to back up these claims that I "rejoiced". You can't. You are just making shit up. You know nothing about me other than what I have posted on this site. So STFU if you can't back up your assertions with actual facts.
Who speaks for Iran?. Is there anybody left ?
So, who exactly, is Trump talking to?
There. Is. No. Plan.
Donald Trump and CNN's Kaitlan Collins on the tarmac at Palm Beach International Airport, as Trump was departing Florida.
COLLINS: Who's gonna be in control of the Strait of Hormuz? Who's gonna be in control of that?
TRUMP: Uhhhh it'll be jointly controlled
COLLINS: By who?
TRUMP: Maybe me. Maybe me. Me and the next ayatollah, whoever that is. There will also be a serious form of regime change. Look at Venezuela.
Read today's Coffee & Covid coffeeandcovid@substack.com.
There is a lot--a yuge amount--going on that our talking heads suppress.
Did you know that 22 nations, including France, Germany and Great Britain, have Today issued a statement pledging to provide whatever support is necessary to open the Strait of Hormuz--days after loudly proclaiming that Iran "Isn't our war?"
Did you know that the Palestinian Authority has issued a statement condemning Iran? And not Israel or the U.S.?
Did you know that Zelinskyy is now willing to talk seriously about ending the war in Ukraine? (Hint--for the same reasons that those Euro leaders have done a rapid 180).
Maybe some people ought to consider that they don't really have a clear grasp on everything that is going on. (I know--never stopped them before, why should it stop them now?).
I like dogs, but I think they would be even more admirable creatures if they didn't engage in smelling each other's asses. But that's just how they're made. Just so with humans. We have many admirable qualities, but we seem to have this innate need to make war on each other. You can't claim that either Iran or America is more bellicose. Bellicose is what we all are. I don't know who's got the higher moral claim here. I just hope we win.
Mark Twain had a home in the same town as the old folks home where Harriet Beecher Stowe lived out her days, and he said that she woke up every day and wrote Uncle Tom’s Cabin, over and over.
Maybe Trump pulls this off, I am in no position to know, and I hope so just to end this war, and because if he is confabulating, America is in real trouble.
I hope I go on YouTube and find out that the war is over.
@Freder. Apologies. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if, taken all in all, you're a better person than me. It's not such a high bar. For the record though, can you document any case where you thought the Americans were superior to their Communist opponents. Did you think that Daniel Ortega was more problematic than Ronald Regan? Did you think that the Vietnamese treatment of their POW's was more abusive than our treatment of detainees in Gitmo? Give me something to work with. Show where you're not a true believer.
Maybe some people ought to consider that they don't really have a clear grasp on everything that is going on.
Does that include you and the people at Coffee and Covid. I find it hard to credit a site that in a supposedly serious article about the war includes screenshots of Carrie Fisher in The Blues Brothers Movie
There is no plan?
Or there is a detailed plan, prepared by competent warriors, that is (a) not revealed to the public, because letting the IRGC know what’s about to hit them would be stoooopid, and (b) undoubtedly includes branching sub-plans to deal flexibly with chance events (good and bad) and the reactions of enemy forces, their noncombatant allies (Russia, China, and others), our allies, real and virtual, and interested neutrals.
It’s astonishing, and shameful, that I have to explain something so obvious to any person of normal intelligence.
https://donsurber.substack.com/p/bad-wa ... irect=true
As compared to the chimp circus at the Times and the Post
The only specific name I saw was a finish carpenter that did a bunch of cabinetry in one of the NJ casinos, Trump said the work was shoddy and took some money off the bill. Pretty much standard when working with any contractor to wind up arguing whether the work meets spec and if not, how much to take off... The contractor was so offended that 2 months later he took on another job for Trump.
Baristas and Amazon delivery drivers and welfare leeches who have never signed the front of a paycheck in their lives are filled with contempt for "failed businessman" Trump who "stiffs his contractors".
These stupid people disregard his 500 other successful enterprises and the realities of hardball real estate development dealings with dishonest and incompetent subcontractors. I'd like these stupid people to find me another developer who's put up dozen of buildings in Manhattan and never withheld payment from a sub for shitty or incomplete work. Hell, I've built 2 houses and had to withhold a couple payments on both and dare them to sue me, just to get the work done to spec.
Some of these stupid people comment here. We laugh at their ignorance.
Did you think that Daniel Ortega was more problematic than Ronald Regan? Did you think that the Vietnamese treatment of their POW's was more abusive than our treatment of detainees in Gitmo?
So your standard is "as long as we are less abusive than the commies, we are good." And of course, shouldn't our proxies be held to the same standards. Are you saying that as long as Marcos or Pinochet did it, no problem?
As legit as tish james appraisala of maralago
It’s astonishing, and shameful, that I have to explain something so obvious to any person of normal intelligence.
Most of them are of subnormal intelligence, and those that aren't are the kind of political ideologues who would shriek "Trump can't swim!" if he walked on water like Jesus.
Or there is a detailed plan, prepared by competent warriors
Lots of assumptions in that short phrase. If there is a detailed plan, why isn't there a clear goal for what we are seeking in this war. Do you know what it is? I sure don't.
(b) undoubtedly includes branching sub-plans to deal flexibly with chance events (good and bad) and the reactions of enemy forces, their noncombatant allies (Russia, China, and others), our allies, real and virtual, and interested neutrals.
Apparently, Trump didn't think past "we'll kill a few Mullahs and the people will rise up and create heaven in Iran".
They always believe commies or islamists
Its as broken a record as anyone can ponder
Theres loads of info on the nato about face, the pa denunciation of iran and other matters
Once again, the fact that Trump hasn’t told you his goal doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one. It means that revealing it to every clown with a web connection - and everyone we’re fighting against - would make it much more difficult to achieve. This is pretty much a corollary to the argument in my previous comment, which means that any person of normal intelligence would have figured it out himself and realized that asking the question you just asked would make him look stupid.
He tweeted that threat in the wee hours, maybe he needs a night nurse keeping an eye on him.
Or maybe he was tweeting at that time because the tweet was directed at whoever is currently running Iran, and Tehran is 8:30 ahead of the east coast of the United States.
It might be history’s fastest flip-flop. On Tuesday, March 17th, French President Macron vowed, “France will never take part in operations to open or liberate the Strait of Hormuz.” Two days later, on Thursday, France signed a joint statement expressing “readiness to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait.” Womp, womp. The Wall Street Journal reported, “22 Countries Signal Readiness to Help Secure Strait of Hormuz.”
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Between Monday and when the statement was signed on Thursday, trad-media ran scores of breathless stories about European and Asian countries “standing up to Trump.” For three days, foreign leaders competed to defy the American president using the strongest possible language, and media wrote glowing elegies to each and every statement of defiance as they rolled off the tickers. NBC:
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Reuters, Tuesday:
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Ha. “Never” only lasted two days. By Thursday, Reuters published a short, stenographic piece with this bland headline (Note how the headline didn’t include the words “reversal” or “back-tracked” or “Trump Always Wins”):
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Indeed, neither the Reuters article about the joint statement —or any of the other minimal coverage— quoted the leaders’ previous statements of defiance, even though you’d think those would provide both engagement value and needed context.
The New York Times ran a front-page headline about the refusal— but not even one dedicated piece on the reversal (it was lumped into a “live blog”). NBC ran two separate stories and a TODAY Show segment on the rebuke— but nothing standalone on the 22 countries signing up. The Guardian published an editorial and an opinion column urging Europe to resist— then barely noticed when Europe stopped resisting.
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Not even one of the articles I reviewed mentioned German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius’s quip, “This is not our war.” Not one article mentioned Macron’s “never.” Not one article framed it as a reversal. No reporter asked, “Herr Pistorius, last Monday you said this is not our war. By Friday, your government signed a statement expressing readiness to secure the strait. What changed?” Conveniently for the plot, they suddenly got amnesia.
themselves” story would have undermined it. So the first got the spotlight, and the other got the wire service treatment.
The truth they didn’t want to report was that Trump’s pressure worked. And it worked fast. It was classic: He made them an offer , add the Middle East peace deal to the long list of preparations for this point.
Haha, this reversal wildly complicates things for the American-campus pro-Palestine folks. The Free Palestine movement just lost its primary supplier of moral authority: Palestine. Whoopsies.
"The only specific name I saw was a finish carpenter that did a bunch of cabinetry in one of the NJ casinos, Trump said the work was shoddy and took some money off the bill."
I don't remember hearing anything from the MSM other than "Trump stiffed contractors". It's a lot like The Epstein Files™, If there was really anything to it (read: if the truth of the situation would make Trump look bad), the details would have been made public long ago.
Thats just the weekend snippet
US to pay $1bn to switch from wind to oil and gas development ~ The Guardian
'Trump administration announces deal with TotalEnergies to redirect investment in wind to oil and gas instead'
"The Trump administration has agreed to pay TotalEnergies almost $1bn to pull out of offshore wind in the US and invest instead in oil and gas production, as it tries to boost supplies of fossil fuels."
Beyond parody
Trump -- Saving the birds and the whales. Just like he saved the dogs and cats in Ohio.
He deserves an award from PETA.
"Or there is a detailed plan, ......"
For God's sake Feder, Trump told us before he was elected the first time he wasn't going to let his enemies know what his plans were. But it's not just Feder. The constant questions by the press show they think they should be in the inner circle. Morons.
Can things go in unexpected directions? Of course they can. Tactics have to be adjustable.
Trump has been very clear about his goal. VERY CLEAR! Iran will not be allowed to have nukes while he is President!! Under no circumstances. He's said this is his goal about 1,000 times now. He's also said he would LIKE to see the regime change, but never that that was necessary to achieve his goal. Obviously he wants Iran's proxies eliminated or boxed in, but I've never heard that stated a the end goal.
Personally I think to achieve no nukes you need regime change, but that's due to the chance you get another Obama back in power. Yeah would be on you.
Thousands of Marines to Arrive in Centcom the Same Day as Trump’s Iran Deadline ~ WSJ
Trump postponed the attack until the fleet arrives on Friday. That's what 5 days means to him.
Freder taking the side of America's enemies.
As always.
Like clockwork
Trump postponed the attack until the fleet arrives on Friday. That's what 5 days means to him.
Also five days for the Navy crews to get some rest after weeks of continuous ops. Steak and lobster before getting back to the fight.
Reading this comment section, I imagine practically everyone sitting in a wheelchair with an IV bag on the porch of your nursing home.
"Steak and lobster before getting back to the fight."
A better use of tax dollars than spending for learing centers in Minnesota and hospice services in LA, if you ask me.
Thats a decent interval to determine progress
Raylan Givens on X: "🚨 PM Netanyahu confirms the report about the elimination of two nuclear scientists in Iran on Saturday" / X https://share.google/EuQqDuTaQYhv5S69y
Just wrapping up here: When asked to provide an actual, specific, example of the Trump Admin bargaining in bad faith, Freder did not even try to provide such an example.
Trump the magician; turns being a pedophile into high gas prices.
Military experts say it will be difficult for the United States to retrieve Iran's nuclear materials. An elderly rapist who shits himself in public says it will be easy. For busy Americans, it can be hard to know who to trust.
I find it hard to credit a site that in a supposedly serious article about the war includes screenshots of Carrie Fisher in The Blues Brothers Movie
There's your problem right there, Freder.
Maybe Iran is already under new management, and it remains to clear outlying squatters.
John Henry
My wifes next to last husband was Cuban. If you weren't considered necessary to the state you could leave. For ten thousand dollars a head. The family farm was confiscated and the father was allowed to stay as long as he worked the farm. For food. In exchange for his farm he was fed by the state.
Freder is always der Geist der stets vernient. The spirit that ever denies.
Must be from having a public sector job he can't be fired from.
Frankly the blues brothers was one of her lesser works
I provided half of the last c&,c bulletin
They confiscated my familys plot of land and then they dammed it up so it was unusable
Thats a microcosm in a larger scope was the great sugar factory owned by the hershey company thats a rotting relic like one of the pyramids
Communism kills not only the body the soil but the soul
Rustygrommet
I assume you mean under Castro with the exit fee?
Or do you mean under Bautista?
Under the communists.
As of March 23, 2026, President Donald Trump has expressed a willingness to work with a "new" or "next" Ayatollah in Iran, though he has specifically rejected working with the currently confirmed successor, Mojtaba Khamenei.
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On March 23, 2026, Trump suggested an extraordinary "joint leadership" arrangement to manage the strategically vital Strait of Hormuz, stating it could be "jointly controlled" by himself and "the Ayatollah, whoever the Ayatollah is, whoever the next Ayatollah is".
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I nominate Howard for the position. He always has a vindictive “YOU infidels!” in the front pocket of his capris handy. And a sour disposition. And he’s a moralistic scold.
And he likes farm animals…
“A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighboring village is reasonable.”
—— Ayatollah Khomeini
Hezbollah howard it fits
Ghalibaf is a fmr irgc general and mayor of tehran
Little Excursion™️ said...
Military experts say
Oh Jesus Christ. I guess you really are that much of a moron. "Public health experts say"that "racism is a public health problem, therefore George Floyd riots are a great way for people to get together during the middle of covid. But anti-lockdown protests kill grandma."
Leftwing "experts" say whatever they think is most political advantageous for the Left, and nothing they say has any actual value or worth.
When your sentence starts with "X experts say", the rest is worthless crap
GTCT is too foolish to realize he's being made fun of....
Fredo is the master of projection when it comes to Trump’s planning and goals.
Note: You are the failure in life, Fredo. Trump is a roaring success in so many ways that your feeble mind cannot grasp.
Diversity (e.g. racism, sexism, etc) is a critical health crisis. #HateLovesAbortion
Anybody know where the Carrie Fisher pic on Coffee and Covid is? There is certainly was no such thing on the relevant post there when I went to look (to see if it was relevant or not)
Hes talking out of his tuckuss again
Little Excursion™️ said...
GTCT is too foolish to realize he's being made fun of....
LE is so stupid he thinks he's mocking others, when he's actually just showing what a worthless idiot he is
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