I'm reading "New Video Shows a Masked Figure at Nancy Guthrie’s Door" (NYT).
My 3 questions: 1. You can't maintain your privacy by declining to pay for the subscriptions? 2. Why pay for the subscription now? and 3. Did Google withhold this video because it didn't want customers to realize they didn't need to pay for the subscription?
Meanwhile, in case you think the video of the masked man led to his speedy arrest: "Man Detained for Questioning in Nancy Guthrie Case Is Released/The development came after investigators released chilling video showing a masked figure on Ms. Guthrie’s front porch the morning of her disappearance" (NYT).
So the ski-mask method, now even more widely known, seems to still look effective.
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If you want to see security video from your unpaid subscription you’ll never see it, unless the FBI is involved. Google will deny your access. You’re just a schmuck.
The trickle of facts in this drawn out episode has captured public attention. So much so I went from annoyance at the outsized attention focused on a Corporate Media star to fascination that the investigation was so chaotic and now a real hunger for a resolution that can tie the facts together.
One consistent fact has been the sad absence of any good news for the family. I’m praying for them but any happy resolution seems impossible at this point.
I’ve found that home video doesn’t help solve a crime individually. It identifies the crime and most importantly, exactly when it occurred. From there, the typical criminal mind fails them. They approach something not thinking that the time to get there and time to leave from another fixed point, another camera, can be determined to a few seconds variance. Then you can track them.
Ok, I am not a security camera expert but I did work with computer/network technology for four decades, and I think you are jumping to unfounded conclusions. In order to make the video accessible even for temporary viewing, the image stream has to be first cached in the camera itself in order to deal hiccups in data transmission and then it will need to be cached on Ring/Google/whoever's server that you can view it from. It could even have potential been recovered from a device that was viewing the downloaded output because it would be stored there as well. Basically this is the same way 'deleted' files, emails, and other information can be retrieved from a computer system unless the data has been specifically overwritten, or in the case of emails copies can often be found in the servers responsible for forwarding the files from sender to receiver.
Continuing with Humperdink's comment, yes, a subscription just means Google will promise to make the video accessible to *you* in an easy to view interface. Lack of same doesn't mean that they positively destroy the video at any given time or that it can't be found without some effort but, as he notes, they aren't gonna give it up without some official intervention.
A ski mask works fine but I always wear pantyhose underneath to play it safe.
Well the keystone nature of the pima sheriffs office
“If you want to see security video from your unpaid subscription you’ll never see it, unless the FBI is involved.“
So if you want to secure your home on the cheap, buy the camera and let the subscription lapse as soon as possible.
…I seem to recall one of the subscription based companies claimed a right to use video shot with their cameras. I quit them after that…
The rats I smelled a few days ago have grown into weasels'
@Christopher B: It was Google Nest not Ring. “ Ring founder Jamie Siminoff addressed the Guthrie case directly, emphasizing that Ring doesn’t retain deleted footage without a subscription.”
Or the cops were lying about her not having a subscription/letting it lapse. The information given out is a one way street.
Well the keystone nature of the pima sheriffs office
…without looking or following outside of the masked guy and a few expert claims I assume the mask guy and others involved are empowered illegals with many priors but zero convictions but they’re not good at kidnapping yet, the sheriff’s office are hard core lefties and they and the Guthries and the media are all trying to end this thing without making Democrats look bad.
“So the ski-mask method, now even more widely known, seems to still look effective.”
My first thought was that the perp in the video looked like an ICE agent.
"My first thought was that the perp in the video looked like an ICE agent."
Which leads to the inevitable question: Did Left Bank have a second thought?
"My first thought was that the perp in the video looked like an ICE agent."
The power of propaganda to create the madness of crowds is really kind of astonishing. "Of course the emperor is wearing the latest designer fashions!"
He had less firearms discipline
They can identify you by your gait.
Mil Máscaras is a prime suspect.
Which leads to the inevitable question: Did Left Bank have a second thought?
…that’s yet another data point supporting my theory- a commenter with left in xis handle feels compelled to distract by associating one left created political catastrophe with a other. To be fair yes ice agents do wear masks too but only because there are powerful mainstream hard left organizations trying to doxx and intimidate agents into not doing their jobs. The visual similarity is where the similarity ends…
We saw this in mission impossible
FBI guy said guy has a unique gate. Guys with similar gates will be held for questioning and there will be an uproar. We will finally have Gategate.
This is why having a system that backs up to an SD card or offsite memory is so important. Eff the cloud.
Will ICE protesters now be the ones wearing masks due to Democrats demands for body cams on ICE agents?
@Eva Marie, doesn't matter whose device, and Ring is gonna be in major damage control mode after the 'lost dog' SB fiasco. They all have the same basic design and function, and in computer tech 'deleted' just means the index that makes the file easy to find and protected from being overwritten was destroyed, not the file itself. As I said, there are a number of devices starting with the camera the police could have recovered the images from with sufficient effort and technical know-how. If you want to gamble that whatever crime happens to you is sufficiently noteworthy to get the police to invest that kind of effort, nobody is making you buy a subscription. If you expect them to do it for a late-night burglary while you were on vacation, I'm pretty sure you'll be disappointed.
@Christopher B: My first comment was a dumb joke and not connected to my second comment. Grok says Nest holds on to stored data longer than Ring. However, after rereading the Ring guy’s comment on full - you might be right.
Basically this is the same way 'deleted' files, emails, and other information can be retrieved from a computer system unless the data has been specifically overwritten
Then the bad guy breaking the camera kept it from recording more data when people came to check on her, thus preventing the possibility of this video being overwritten?
I'm not a kidnapping expert but it seems like the number 1 rule is to get the money and get rid of the hostage ASAP. Hard to imagine she's still alive.
Don’t kid yourself, the NSA knows all and sees all. You just have to say please.
Yes but who reads all that traffic?
Augmented Inference (AI) wielding tools of Anthropogenic Intelligence conception can be automated to lift the veil of privacy with sufficient information. #HateLovesAbortion
Massive dap to @Wince for dropping the Mil Mascaras reference.
Thats a lucha libre thing?
No, Left, Your first impression was, "A man in a ski mask." it was your second impression to, "Now how can I put this to maintain our narrative." You couldn't be honest if you tried.
He is a masked luchador, striking back to free Aztlan from the Scottish invaders. CC, JSM
Something like that
Keystone Kash solving all these crimes singlehandedly with his brilliant investigative skills.
No matter what 'they' tell you, they keep all the data from your door bell camera. Better to help control the population.
Tailscale server ($99) and IP cameras, and maybe one of those cheap Apple servers, and https://openclaw.ai and you can control everything. AI will be very helpful in getting you through the installation.
I'm still at MJBWolf (0545) Stage 1 over this matter.
I can't fathom why the fate of the aged mother of a B or C list TV personality is of national interest.
From the get-go, we were told that she is/was 84 and needed "life-saving" medication. Very likely the poor old woman is expired by now.
Somebody wants attention. Why give it to him or her?
The Walzian personal Assassin fake cop mask. Also something to look for in the future.
Kash Patel’s main investigative strategy is waiting for the relatives of suspects to turn them in. I really hope the Guthrie family has private investigators working on this because Kash Patel's FBI is beyond parody.
This has taken far too long. I do not hold much hope for Ms. Guthrie.
Kidnappers usually want their money fast.
West TX, the answer seems to be "because the (seemingly) bumbling investigation playing out in front of our eyes is fascinating and unlike 99% of 'news' it actually involves compelling TV: life or death, crime and investigation, etc. And NO ONE knows how it will all end."
I hope we do get a thorough account in the end of everything we have watched in slo-mo over the last 2 weeks. It has transcended from a story about a TV personality's relative to being about law enforcement procedure and technology, involving the surveillance issue as well as cryptocurrency and tabloid TV. The story has become fascinating despite the Savannah Guthrie angle.
Why were detectives interviewing people on Annie Guthrie's street yesterday, miles from the crime scene? There's a wealth of open questions and daily surprises.
Fascinating is something MOST television programming is not.
Kak, do you have information that Nancy Guthrie was transported across state lines? Asking, because you seem to believe the FBI is leading a state level crime, when the news makes it clear the FBI is only assisting. Do you know something that isn't being shared in the news?
This kind of data retention is always going to be present, in the current environment. In order for there to be a video to share or save, it must first exist. Even if it's deleted, it's still there, unless overwritten.
Are you this late to the party Kak or just inherently stupid? Not one lead was discovered by PCSD prior to the family asking for FBI help. The Sherriff didn't even call it a crime scene until day 3 although there was that obvious blood trail leading from the home. And FYI it was the FBI-restored video that led to 1000s of tips overnight so literally every word of your post has been refuted by the facts in front of your face.
You're not very good at this commenting thing. Why do you persist?
The way drives work is that they write to areas that are marked as available to be written, not areas that are "blank" and the way you "delete" data is just to mark the sectors where it exists as "available." and the data will remain until it gets used, in other words, it's a dice game when it gets finally deleted, and using the proper tools, it may have to be used and re-used several times before it is "gone" That's why a truly secure system will overwrite "deleted" data several times, not just once, because the physical media will have echoes of the old data, that the main system will ignore, because it doesn't really care about it, but believe me, the FBI or CIA or NSA? They can go back a ways.
It would raise Ring's costs to securely delete data, and why should they, considering that the reason they are not saving it is non payment of a subscription?
Leland: using a word from a post yesterday that has come back into use: Kak is a retard. And most times a bloviating retard.
1. You can't maintain your privacy by declining to pay for the subscriptions?
If you have a camera that can connect to the internet then you have no privacy.
When we had webcams set up for monitoring, I put them on a router that wan't connected to the internet. So we could connect to the router and see what was on the camera, but n one else could hack into them, and they couldn't send data to someone else.
"I put them on a router that wan't connected to the internet. So we could connect to the router and see what was on the camera, "
How did you access it? Serious question. I have been experimenting with Tailscale, and it works pretty good, and seems pretty secure, but it is connected to the internet, and anybody with the proper credential could access it, but it's a pretty long credential, you are not going to get it by randomness. I suppose if one of my devices fell into the wrong hands...
#EpsteinToo
That didn't look like a ski mask to me -- it looked like a leather bondage mask such as the one the Gimp wore in Pulp Fiction
Meanwhile, redditors are convinced that Guthrie's mom was "fake kidnapped just to distract from the Epstein files!
Since the person of interest worn a ski mask, perhaps it was a routine ICE detention.
Back in about 1987 I implemented "secure data erase" on a MIL SPEC disk drive (240 MB for only $70,000!). It was a PITA to get right. And then I found out that our main customer was installing thermite grenades in the system racks, so ...
"a routine ICE detention."
A routing ICE detention is when the local PD notifies ICE of a criminal alien in their custody and hands them over, or does it bother you that criminal aliens are deported?
Jaq said...
"I put them on a router that wan't connected to the internet. So we could connect to the router and see what was on the camera, "
How did you access it? Serious question.
It was a cheap Chinese camera, that we could access with their iPhone app, IIRC. The app worked so long as it was on the same network as the cameras. Already had two routers, so I just set up one to connect to the internet, and the other for the cameras. Switch iPhone to other network if you want to see who's at the front door :-)
Basic situation was I didn't trust the camera not to send my video to China if it had internet access, so I didn't give it internet access :-)
This was a likely burglary gone wrong, the homeowner injured, the burglar hoping to drop her off at ER entry, planning to speed away - but she died before they got there. Not uncommon occurrence in Chicago; gunshot victim literally dropped at ER entry while the getaway car speeds away. Usually the getaway car is driven by a friend who doesn't want to be arrested, in this case, the perpetrator, who was probably familiar with the home interior. Any recent home maintenance or repairs, or remodeling done?
Many people prefer cheap and easy, to secure and private.
My ReoLink cameras are connected to a Network Video Recorder that stores the media, rather than sending it to a server. Using the phone app, I can access the NVR through an encrypted channel.
As others have mentioned, just because the customer doesn't get the subscription, doesn't mean the data isn't sent to the server.
The real question to be asked is--why did it take them so long? Isn't the first question--did she have any cameras? Do the neighbors?
paminwi said...
Leland: using a word from a post yesterday that has come back into use: Kak is a retard. And most times a bloviating retard.
Oh, I know. But retards commit crimes too and often foolishly implicate themselves.
Just curious if Kak had information others weren't aware.
This is why you need BleachBit and Hammers.
"3. Did Google withhold this video because it didn't want customers to realize they didn't need to pay for the subscription?"
I suspect that they withheld the video because it makes them look like they are recording and storing EVERYTHING.
Mike (MJB Wolf),
> You're not very good at this commenting thing.
> Why do you persist?
Au contraire, he's quite good at the actual task his handlers pay him for: sowing distraction and dissension here. I'm sure they think he is worth every penny.
It’s like a serialized story with an unsteady drip of information daily. It would have been better for the victims to have competent LE response from the start but the way it is unfolding now is compelling TV unlike 99% of what’s offered.
SoCal is where I grew up and live police pursuits became the best thing to watch. Few things on TV could compete with the drama and surprise element of a felony car chase. Local news copters employed map software and estimated MPH to make chases easier to track. People flock to overpasses or line streets cheering them on. The unpredictable nature made them exciting.
This crime investigation is like that but in a slower bit-by-bit daily serial kind of way.
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