"And so what is so important for leaders to do in that circumstance is: to obviously lament the lives lost, pledge an independent transparent investigation, and pledge to... seek justice no matter where it leads.... It strikes me that the exact opposite of that is what has occurred. And immediately after [Renee Good] was killed, she was called a domestic terrorist, very publicly. There are people who then accuse the cop of murder, very publicly, right off the bat. That is pouring gasoline on this situation, and it's horrific.... This incredible rush to judgment results in fixed positions about complicated matters.... And then... there's this assertion, well, this is completely your fault because... when a federal officer gives you instructions, you abide by them and then you get to keep your life. No, no, no, no. That is not what a free society says. We should respect officers... but it is simply not the case that... your right to your life depends on compliance with federal officials.... It's dangerous to drive away from the police. You should not drive away from the police. But under no circumstances is America a country where the command should be obey the men and women in uniform or your life is forfeit. That's not the standard of the United States of America."
Says David French on the new episode of the Advisory Opinions podcast (transcript and audio at Podscribe).
ADDED: If you are questioning the usage in the phrase "or your life is forfeit," know that C.S. Lewis used in in "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" (full text at Gutenberg):
"Tell you?" said the Witch, her voice growing suddenly shriller. "Tell you what is written on that very Table of Stone which stands beside us? Tell you what is written in letters deep as a spear is long on the trunk of the World Ash Tree? Tell you what is engraved on the sceptre of the Emperor-Beyond-the-Sea? You at least know the magic which the Emperor put into Narnia at the very beginning. You know that every traitor belongs to me as my lawful prey and that for every treachery I have a right to a kill."
"Oh," said Mr. Beaver. "So that's how you came to imagine yourself a Queen—because you were the Emperor's hangman. I see."
"Peace, Beaver," said Aslan, with a very low growl.
"And so," continued the Witch, "that human creature is mine. His life is forfeit to me. His blood is my property."
"Come and take it then," said the Bull with the man's head in a great bellowing voice.
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How is removing criminal Illegal aliens with deportation orders - a "Gestapo"? It's not. You leftist loyalists repeat what the mobsters from on high want you to repeat.
It's right up there with leftists repeating the "Everyone who isn't a democrat is a fascist" LIE.
They want them roaming the streets praying on innocents
When they arent stealing through the learing centers
Even in houston one of my paisans who decapitated a women in a hotel there
RJW: "Federal authorities initiate removal proceedings, adjudicate deportation orders (through immigration courts), and execute those orders when individuals are found and taken into custody. So when Lyons says these individuals had final orders of removal for decades, that means an immigration judge issued a deportation order that was not carried out at the time."
Jesus bleeding Christ. I would tell you to go fuck yourself, but you are literally doing it already. One man ourobouros 69.
So ICE are to blame for trying to deport someone who was on the loose because ICE didn't deport him earlier? WTF?
What has been going on for most of those 30 years the ICE director referred to? Sanctuary. Cities. Places that don't do the simplest thing possible: call their local ICE office and say "hey, this pug-buggerer is about to get released from our jail. Want to come get him?"
No shame in your blatant circular logic. Heck, in your position I would be shouting from the rooftops that I can suck my own cock. I guess it would be a little muffled, though. CC, JSM
Ward, isn't it embarrassing to pretend you don't know what the Gestapo actually did. No adult is that dumb, so we know you are pretending, which means you are lying. Or just tell us you never learned about the Nazi's daily atrocities. I guess that's possible.
ICE is arresting for deportation foreign individuals with convictions in the US for murder and/or rape.
The marxists that calls ICE "the Gestapo" wants those foreign individuals to be able to live in our neighborhoods.
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In less than 1 year Democrats got a subset of left wing women to support or defend: Tren De Aragua, Somali fraud, MS-13, communism, running over law enforcement, Antifa, Maduro, Hamas, Sharia law, assassinations & sex changes for kids. Evil but impressive psychological operation.
This is, unfortunately, a case of pussy-pass denied. I don't think it is an accident that all of the videos of drivers blocking ICE this way vehicles-they number in the hundreds on twitter and youtube at the very least-show the drivers to be almost 100% female and white. There is enough organization planning these encounters to choose the drivers the least likely to get their asses arrested by the predominately male police officers. I think had it been me, a white guy, sitting in that Honda Pilot honking the horn, they would have moved to arrest me about 2-3 minutes earlier, or even earlier in the morning if it turns out Good had been doing this earlier (it does seem like she recognized Ross from an earlier incident of some kind). Achilles has made this point before- ICE has been too willing to not immediately arrest these drivers which just leads to an escalating game of chicken as the drivers keep getting away with it without being arrested. There basically needs to be a zero-tolerance policy for this or someone else is going to get shot in the exact same manner.
"Can you guess what that reason might be?"
The left does not want to admit that they support what that reason is. That's because, as with many of their other positions, it's repulsive to normal people. And they know it.
Freder said; “I think we are way past the point of credibly believing that ICE is only going after "criminals". Whether you like it or not, non-citizens, here legally or not, are among the most law-abiding demographic in the country.”
Of course we’re way past that point. You’re asking the villagers to concede a lie that gives them tribal membership.
They cannot do that.
Let's see how honest our leftist commenters are: Fredo, Inga, Earnest Prole
I’m a leftist because I believe Ashli Babbit and Renee Good should be able to engage in civil disobedience without being shot dead?
RJW wrote: “they quit acting like the Gestapo”
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Not to throw a rock and run but just hit Louisville for my grandson’s birthday. Back in a few hours for the long ride home and can engage as I’m not driving.
“ When your nation's military polices your streets, you're no longer a democracy.”
Non sequitur.
“The democrat party WANT this stuff to happen. they don't give a crap about their insane base.”
There’s no question that crime, with its attendant poverty, de-moralization, and dependency on the state, are essential to the Democrat’s grift. The notion that the decay of Blue cities, run by Democrats for decades, is somehow inexplicable bad luck is laughable. It couldn’t be more deliberate.
I know you are on the left because of your commenting history here, Prole. Do you really believe that most of us on the right in these threads believe it is ok to shoot people in the head for civil disobedience? Do you believe the ICE officers are acting like Gestapo?
Do you think Ashli Babbitt and Renee Good should be able engage in civil disobedience without getting arrested? That is the real question, isn't it, EP-that seems to be the real divide here in these threads. If you follow the logic of RJW and Freder, then the illegal aliens in this country can never be arrested and deported even though that is what immigration law requires. What I want is for the lefties here, including you, to do is to boldly state that they don't want the illegal immigrants removed at all, criminals included. Rather than do that, you get these tenditious arguments about how the arresting of them and deporting them isn't being done in the most efficacious manner while offering no other alternate methods except for doing nothing at all.
Ward, isn't it embarrassing to pretend you don't know what the Gestapo actually did.
It took a while for the Gestapo to realize their full terror potential. And even then, the treatment of German citizens (and yes, even those who protested against the Nazis, up to a point) was less oppressive than in the occupied territories, and Eastern Europe received much more severe treatment than Western Europe.
"No adult is that dumb, so we know you are pretending"
Not really sure this is true. Is it more kind to conclude someone is dumb rather than mendacious?
Do you really believe that most of us on the right in these threads believe it is ok to shoot people in the head for civil disobedience? Do you believe the ICE officers are acting like Gestapo?
Yes to both. Achilles and others have explicitly said so. Heck, Achilles explicitly stated that he believed 30% of U.S. citizens should be executed, jailed or exiled.
However, that Noem and Trump both implied that he was seriously hurt and rushed to the hospital is nothing but bullshit.
That wasn't my takeaway from their statements. Noem said he had been treated at the hospital, released, and was spending time with his family - nothing about the severity (or not) of his injuries. Trump said it was a miracle he was alive, which - since we have all been subjected to multiple angles of video - is easily interpreted as "he was this close to being under the wheels" - which is exactly what I thought and how I took it.
But neither of those things matters the least bit. You're arguing, again, that Trump just got a boo-boo on his ear, when of course what happened is that he was shot in the head and narrowly escaped death. It's irrelevant that this officer wasn't seriously injured; the relevant fact is that he was hit by an accelerating car.
I apologize to Althouse for questioning why she would bother posting this. There is a reason why she is a successful blogger and I am not.
"What I want is for the lefties here, including you, to do is to boldly state that they don't want the illegal immigrants removed at all, criminals included."
The left doesn't want to make their actual plans/wishes publicly known. Everybody knows why.
French stands with the covenant school shooter, that the bureau protected for 3 years ago
Freder,
"Achilles" does equal "most of us here on the right." One is not equal to many. I don't assume you want to shoot us all just because someone on your side shot Charley Kirk, and Donald Trump, just to mention a few, but I don't want to assume too much.
Ice is about law enforcement whats required here is counter insurgency, this what portland and minneapolis and Gotham have become focos in marxist terminology
Freder Frederson said...
She attacked an officer with a deadly weapon.
That is one hell of an assumption. Neither you nor I know what her intent was. But by the position of the wheels and the officer it appears she was trying to get past him, not run him down. If she really wanted to run him down, she would have steered to the left, not right.
She had a smile on her face when she hit him with that deadly weapon. You can see it on the video as she looks right at him and hits the gas. The last thing she saw was her vehicle hitting that officer and it made her smile.
She had the biggest shit eating grin she could possibly have.
She gets shot 100/100 times. The officer had a duty to shoot a person who tried to kill him and was a danger to people if she escaped with a deadly weapon she used to hit him.
She was clearly possessed by demons and she clearly had every intent to run over other officers and also had a clear disregard for the safety of other drivers and the general public.
The officer would have been derelict in his duty to let her continue to drive that vehicle and endanger other innocent people. It would have been just like letting a crazy person wave a gun around on the street.
It what fallujah kandahar and mogadishu have in common
GESTAPO
the left's current collective buzzword. Obey.
Freder Frederson said...
Do you really believe that most of us on the right in these threads believe it is ok to shoot people in the head for civil disobedience? Do you believe the ICE officers are acting like Gestapo?
Yes to both. Achilles and others have explicitly said so. Heck, Achilles explicitly stated that he believed 30% of U.S. citizens should be executed, jailed or exiled.
Do you support allowing illegal aliens stay in the country?
Do you support taking money from Americans and giving it to learing centers run by foreigners?
Do you support women driving cars at federal agents enforcing the laws a majority of Americans want enforced?
Do you support foreign soldiers who burn our flags?
Do you support people who harass and attack our law enforcement officers deporting illegal aliens and commit Obstruction of Justice, a federal crime?
You are a traitor Freder. You deserve the same punishment as all other traitors.
If you believe it, you will act accordingly
“Just a straightforward question for those who want alien criminals in this country: why do you want them here?“
“Dirty Pillows” Pelosi sez they have a “spark of divinity”
The only good things about renee were her name and her death. She earned those bullets, and I hope she felt each one. Some persons are simply horrible, and I’m tired of pretending they’re not
"Do you support allowing illegal aliens stay in the country?"
Of course the left does. Why else are they losing their shit over their deportation?
Renee Good is Horst Wessel to the Left.
I’m a leftist because I believe Ashli Babbit and Renee Good should be able to engage in civil disobedience without being shot dead?
No, Earnie, you’re lefty extremist because you believe Renee Good should be allowed to injure or kill a law enforcement officer without him having the right to defend himself.
bagoh20 said...
Freder,
"Achilles" does equal "most of us here on the right." One is not equal to many. I don't assume you want to shoot us all just because someone on your side shot Charley Kirk, and Donald Trump, just to mention a few, but I don't want to assume too much.
Freder is just practicing taqiyyah when he says that.
He clearly would be ecstatic if Trump or any one of us were shot. He clearly wants us all arrested.
Everything he said about Kirk had a "yes but" attached.
Anyone who votes for democrats at this point wants illegal aliens here, wants to give them money they take from us, and wants them voting for democrats. Freder supports attacking the people we hire and pay to deport illegal aliens.
That is all sedition up to the point where he supports the illegal soldiers and fights efforts to deport them. That is when it becomes treason.
Using your vehicle to threaten someone with death by driving it into contact with him is 'civil disobedience'?
"We've seen it since the 1960s.... Police violence lands on this country in a tinderbox fashion."
Ah, you mean ike on J6 when that cop murdered Ashli Babbitt?
"And so what is so important for leaders to do in that circumstance is: to obviously lament the lives lost
Do point us, David, to where you demanded that for Ashli.
It strikes me that the exact opposite of that is what has occurred.
That, David, is because you're a moron and a lying sack of shit
And immediately after [Renee Good] was killed, she was called into domestic terrorist, very publicly.
That's because that's what she was. She engaged in crime and violence to advance a domestic political agenda, attempting to criminally overthrow the law of the land.
And then... there's this assertion, well, this is completely your fault because... when a federal officer gives you instructions, you abide by them and then you get to keep your life.
If you violently resist arrest, you should die.
If a police officer tells you you are under arrest, then yes, you absolutely must obey that officer, or die.
To reject that is to reject the entire concept of the rule of law
bagoh20, you and your ilk cannot claim what someone online says is a common philosophy among all democrats and then object and say Achilles is not representative of your views.
Either call out your colleagues on their claims about democrats (on every thread) or shove your hypocrisy up your ass.
Like it or not, Achilles is quite representative of 'your team'
anyone else hear that creepy audio of MN AG Keith Ellison(D) in a meeting with a group of Somalis - and the Somalis are saying
"We help you out so yo can help us out."
and Keith says "Yes"
clues.
What preening bullshit from so many here. I've been infiltrating radical leftist organizations for 30 years, including the very important training and planning sessions. Ate a lot of crap beans and rice, got lice and scabies. You're welcome. The ICE car block was a very typical, entirely planned, often used strategy I have witnessed personally twice and countless times online, used against terrified civilians too whose lives were destroyed in the aftermath. Also attacking police with sharpened umbrella metal and PVC filled with concrete. Witnessed that too. In 2012, they tried to find a way to blow up the enormous ammonia fertilizer tanks in Tampa Bay during the GOP Convention. The tanks are in poor neighborhoods: tens of thousands of people would have died. Who tried to do this? Radical French, German and Ivy League American Comp Lit Students. How do I know? Because I infiltrated them -- and got scabies to thank for that pro-bono activism. Good thing they generally suck at real-world activities involving explosives. They're the fascists, you buffoons. You should sit and spend days, as I have, working up hundreds of college students into hours of frenzied screaming to murder Jews, kill cops -- and they followed through on efforts of the latter by firebombing streets and cop cars in downtown Atlanta, dozens of cop motorcycles, shooting at police, blowing up construction machines, and destroying swaths of our hotel district's windows. Oh, you didn't hear about that? Or the fertilizer tanks? Or the Olympic Torch runner they set on fire? Color me surprised. Grow the fuck up. These are entirely coordinated strategies, designed with no regard for harm to their stupid, aspirational radical followers and to kill or destroy cops' lives. Grow up and learn something real about the world, you preening idiots.
Freder Frederson said...
She did not deserve the death penalty.
Yes, she did. Fighting arrest deserves the death penalty.
The rule of law. Democracy. No one is above the law.
All those concepts require that you submit to arrest when arrested. Because there can be no law, and no point to democracy, when a privileged class is given the right to ignore the law.
If teh arrest is illegitimate, you are free to sue, later. But when a cop says "you're under arrest", you are under arrest. Submit, or die
“ Actually, they are not. They are ignoring the process required by immigration law, and often turning people who were allowed into this country legally into illegal aliens through Presidential fiat.”
Yes they have had the specified Due Process. What they are supposed to get is an Immigration Court hearing, and a timely appeal. Activist, out of control, judges and lawyers want more, to gum up the deportation even more. Not going to ultimately prevail. Illegals don’t have full Due Process rights, like citizens and legal resident aliens do. Sorry.
Much like bill ayers who had his friends blown up in the greenwhich village townhouse with a bomb planned for ft dix
right on, David.
Tina Trent.
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Thank you!
btw- I was in Penzy's spices in Arvada the other day. A rare occurrence because the owner of Penzy's is a raging leftist douchebag and a total Soviet f-head.
In any case - curiosity lured me into the store.
I was in old town anyway..
upon entering the store - my eyes were drawn to the Pensy's T-shirt on display. T-shirt w/ scruffy drawn heart with the word "RESIST" on it. ah - the left's collective anthem to their own fascism.
Thought about buying one - to wear so I too can be an undercover leftist. embed myself with the losers with lice.
All I need to do is not shower for a while and wear dirty clothes. perhaps dye my hair and get some tats.
Will be filming.
We have an organized, violent , professional revolutionary class in America today, fully supported by our treasonous progressivist ruling class. It needs to be put down, and put down hard, if we don't want to repeat Russia's eighty-year communist nightmare. I couldn't care less that some worthless lesbian POS gets suicided by cop. Screw her.
Mark said...
bagoh20, you and your ilk cannot claim what someone online says is a common philosophy among all democrats and then object and say Achilles is not representative of your views.
Either call out your colleagues on their claims about democrats (on every thread) or shove your hypocrisy up your ass.
Like it or not, Achilles is quite representative of 'your team'
You people make it clear that you will turn this country into Somalia if you get a chance and you are happy to kill anyone you need to kill and break any laws you need to break to make that happen.
Renee Good tried to kill an ICE Officer who was trying to enforce immigration law. Renee Good was fighting to keep illegal aliens in the country.
You still support her action.
Her actions were not civil disobedience. Her actions were Obstruction of Justice, Assault of an Officer with a deadly weapon, Sedition, and Treason.
"We've seen it since the 1960s.... Police violence lands on this country" We've seen it since the 1960s, leftists and rioters causing mayhem, forcing police to respond, then bitching about that response to cause even more disorder. Police violence "lands" in lefty rhetoric, now mindlessly repated by faux conservative French.
You are a traitor Freder. You deserve the same punishment as all other traitors.
I knew I could count on you.
All those concepts require that you submit to arrest when arrested. Because there can be no law, and no point to democracy, when a privileged class is given the right to ignore the law.
And what happens when the privileged class is given the right to ignore the law is the police themselves.
After the over the top response of the administration to this incident I am beginning to think that ICE is indeed being given the right to ignore the law. A sane President and staff would caution against jumping to conclusions and urge that we wait for the results of the investigation. This administration is apparently hesitant to even investigate.
Tina Trent said...
The ICE car block was a very typical, entirely planned, often used strategy I have witnessed personally twice and countless times online, used against terrified civilians too whose lives were destroyed in the aftermath.
This is specifically important.
Obviously making it harder for ICE to do their jobs deporting illegals is part of using your vehicles to block ICE in.
But the other part is to lock them down so other parts of the force can ambush attack them while they are immobilized.
Freder Frederson said...
You are a traitor Freder. You deserve the same punishment as all other traitors.
I knew I could count on you.
Because you answered yes to all my questions.
Even you know you are a traitor.
Freder Frederson said...
A sane President and staff would caution against jumping to conclusions and urge that we wait for the results of the investigation. This administration is apparently hesitant to even investigate.
The investigation is done. There are videos from at least 3 different angles. They all show one thing.
Renee Good assaulted a police officer with a deadly weapon and she was a danger to that officer and to every other person around her.
She did it with a smile on her face. She was clearly delighted to attack people with her car and that officer would have been derelict in his duty to protect himself, his fellow officers, and the public from a woman who was wielding a deadly weapon in public.
Freder: "I am beginning to think that ICE is indeed being given the right to ignore the law. "
No, because included in the law is the pardon power. And prosecutorial discretion. And even investigative discretion: not every call for service is a requirement for service. These are all part of our constitution, case law, and statutes. Usually they get used against the productive people. Well guess what: they can also be used for good instead of evil.
Blue city prosecutor decides to dismiss hundreds of riot cases? Ok, AG decides to not even open dozens of cases against feds. See how easy? CC, JSM
The new MAGA doctrine is quite simple.
When a man in a uniform tells you to get down, you get down.
When a man in a uniform tells you to get out of your vehicle, you get out of your vehicle.
When a man in a uniform tells you to get in the boxcar, you get in the boxcar.
It's all quite simple.
Oh, you didn't hear about that? Or the fertilizer tanks? Or the Olympic Torch runner they set on fire? Color me surprised. Grow the fuck up. These are entirely coordinated strategies, designed with no regard for harm to their stupid, aspirational radical followers and to kill or destroy cops' lives. Grow up and learn something real about the world, you preening idiots.
We probably didn't hear about it because all this shit is in your head. You are seriously mentally ill and a fabulist. Your picture is all over the internet but you want us to believe that you are able to infiltrate all these radical left organizations. You must want us to believe that not only are they evil, but stupid too.
Everything he said about Kirk had a "yes but" attached.
You are a fucking liar. I never said anything about Charlie Kirk. I avoided commenting because no matter what I wrote you and others would twist my comments. Turns out you did that anyway.
’Let's see how you disgusting pukes feel when some DNC hack like Kamala Harris is deploying federal jackboots on your turf.’
Mar-a-Lago, with shoot-to-kill approval from Biden.
It wasn't Capitol punishment. It was Pro-Choice, her Choice with a high mass capacity weapon, a guided missile. It was his self-defense.
lonejustice said...
The new MAGA doctrine is quite simple.
When a man in a uniform tells you to get down, you get down.
When a man in a uniform tells you to get out of your vehicle, you get out of your vehicle.
When a man in a uniform tells you to get in the boxcar, you get in the boxcar.
It's all quite simple.
Remember.
This guy says he was a prosecutor.
We cannot replace lawyers with AI fast enough.
Blue city prosecutor decides to dismiss hundreds of riot cases? Ok, AG decides to not even open dozens of cases against feds. See how easy?
Well then, why do you bitch about the first but don't care about the second?
Freder Frederson said...
Everything he said about Kirk had a "yes but" attached.
You are a fucking liar. I never said anything about Charlie Kirk. I avoided commenting because no matter what I wrote you and others would twist my comments. Turns out you did that anyway.
Thank you for proving my point. That was a perfect "Yes but..."
Hey @Tina Trent, I was just thinking about you this morning, and wondering if you'd check in on the progressive protestor tactical training and methods ! Hope you're doing better these days...
Thank you for proving my point. That was a perfect "Yes but..."
In your deluded mind, how on earth did I prove your point? You claimed that I made comments about Kirk, which I never did.
I will repeat: You are a fucking liar.
Ernest Prole wrote: "I’m a leftist because I believe Ashli Babbit and Renee Good should be able to engage in civil disobedience without being shot dead?"
It doesn't really matter. You're NEVER going to get what you want.
Women who point their vehicles at ICE officials or any other law enforcement officer and guns their engine at them and tries to run them over is getting shot in the face.
Period.
If you want some other outcome, I suggest you go establish a state where you are King. Because we run this one and you are never getting what you want as long as we run it.
That sort of "civil disobedience" - threatening to use or using violence - is TERRORISM. We will kill everyone engaging in it. Everyone.
If you want to do that sort of disobedience then you are going to have to kill us because we are definitely going to kill you.
Freder: "Well then, why do you bitch about the first but don't care about the second?"
West Point cadets have a concept called "using your honor against you." Faculty or even upperclass cadets ask you whether or not you've completed some task, knowing that you have to tell the truth. "Mister, did you dust the top of this wall locker?" "No, sir." "Very well, ten demerits." And the inspector doesn't even have to get her white glove dirty.
Some of this is okay, because so much of the military depends on self-reporting. If you didn't get to a phaseline on time, you have to report that embarrassing truth; otherwise real people might get hurt because your boss has an inaccurate picture of the battlefield. But WP also realizes that overuse of cadets' honor against them just makes the cadets cynical about the whole idea of honor. So there is a procedure for complaining about this type of activity.
This was a long way of saying the left has learned how to use Americans', and especially cops', lawfulness against them. Like my West Point example, a little of "well we hold you to a higher standard" is okay. But when it has turned into "we hold the left and its useful idiots to no standard at all," the time has come for two to play at this game.
Oh and where the analogy fails: the West Point higherups using cadets' honor against them actually think they are fulfilling the school's mission and developing cadets morally. The lefty officials using cops' lawfulness against them are actively trying to subvert the police mission and our civilization. CC, JSM
lonejusticewrote:
"When a man in a uniform tells you to get in the boxcar, you get in the boxcar. It's all quite simple.
Show me some video of some MAGA types loading people onto boxcars and I'll join you on the front lines to shoot THOSE people.
Until then, yes ... if a law enforcement officer tells you to get out of your car, you goddamn well better not try to run him over or they are going to shoot you in the face and that's always going to be legal and good and right.
And they're not trying to wound you. We're not paying to feed you people.
"often turning people who were allowed into this country legally into illegal aliens through Presidential fiat.”
Anyone who was "allowed legally" into the US via Presidential fiat can be made illegal and booted out the same way.
Are you all stupid, or just dishonest?
No President's actions can legally bind a future President, other than the signing of laws and / or pardons.
Temporary "Protested Status" can be revoked as easily as it can be granted, as can every other way of letting illegals in.
President Trump is the President of the United States, and he has the full powers of a President of the United States.
Suck on it
lonejusticewrote:
"When a man in a uniform tells you to get in the boxcar, you get in the boxcar. It's all quite simple.
If you wish to engage in violent revolution, which is the correct response to stuffing people into boxcars, feel free.
If you're going to claim that enforcing US immigration law is the same things as shipping people off to concentration camps to be murdered, then you are a worthless pice of shit who should be ignored by all sane individuals
Class Traitor: "Temporary "Protested Status" can be revoked as easily as it can be granted,"
I realize that was a typo, but I like it! CC, JSM
Alinskis principles 'make one live up to ones own principles'
"Achilles" does equal "most of us here on the right." One is not equal to many.
Are you also going to defend all the others that made murderous comments after you posted? That would include FormerLawClerk, Greg the Class Traitor, G. Poulin, Char Char Binks. And that is all after you published your weak comments about how not every conservative on this site is a bloodthirsty fascist.
Lefties don’t agree with a policy and right away its boxcars and Gestapo. It’s as if they understand their positions have no merit. There’s been a lot of emphasis on hysterical Karens who oppose ICE. But are the guys any different in tone and temperament?
"If you're going to claim that enforcing US immigration law..."
For the left, "law" is a tool to be used against their opponents. They do not recognize the legitimacy of any law that prevents them from getting what they want.
This question of whether Renee Good deserved to die... AFAIC we're at war with these people. And in a war, you can't stop to think about whether the Hun, or Jap, or Charlie you just shot had a wife or family, or whether they were a talented concert violinist. You just have to defeat the enemy. And war sux, but Renee Good was on the other side, and in the end, she stood in the way of winning the war, and that's more important than even my life, let alone hers.
Sean Davis on X: "A bunch of demons who aggressively deny Christ seamlessly transition from claiming He was an illegal immigrant to claiming He was crucified for resisting arrest. They do this not because they believe it, but because they think it will manipulate morons into doing what they want." / X https://share.google/CUqMY7XnKFnYRaBmb
’When a man in a uniform tells you to get in the boxcar, you get in the boxcar.’
The party that tried to mandate experimental ‘vaccines’ is mentioning boxcars? Untethered from any reality…
"It’s as if they understand their positions have no merit."
They understand. Go back and find a post from a leftist that says "I disagree with deporting illegal alien criminals. They should be allowed to remain in the country and this is why..."
I'll wait.
'ciso, as even the real demons know (and shudder), JC meekly submitted to the authorities, suppressing his own powers so much that there was an earthquake when he finally died. These cosplay demons don't even know their scripture. CC, JSM
Dittos about Chick. Don't be a stranger ranger.
Freder. I take steroids for a medical condition and don't look anything like I used to. But I'm too vain to change what I think are lovely photos taken of me by my dear friend Joanna, who is a professional photographer. So you have no idea how I look now.
But I have a lovely personality.
I learned decades ago, anyway, that, once I aged, wigs and make-up disguises didn't work so well. So I go as myself. As here, I sign in with my real name. For over a decade, they have known who I am. They plant big guys around me, but most of the people they are training don't notice, and in order to seduce these idiots, it doesn't help them to manhandle me, because I'm damn good at ingratiating myself in advance with the most hesitant-looking kids. The police know I'm there. I've been carried out of buildings and thrown on the ground. I've been hit with water bottles filled with ice but luckily not severely injured.
I use some pretty good tactics I won't share. But the important point is this: like any terrorist organization, the leaders are happy to sacrifice their followers but not themselves. So this dead woman, like so many others, was in my very informed opinion just trained by the serious domestic terrorists (yes, a real designation used by all police and federal agencies) to be cannon fodder for their post-crisis media plan. She was a dupe. Terrorists use dupes, you moron, especially lower-class ones, and they cry no tears over their deaths. They want them to die. Now be a man and tell me your real name.
I can document all of my activities. If you'd like to see an especially awful case of a civilian whose life was destroyed by these groups, you can find it at my eponymous blog. I also have police credentials that I will not share. So, no, I am not a fabulist, though I do question the sanity of bothering to engage with you.
I don't hide like you do, coward. Go ahead. Contact me at my blog. I have people who can identify you.
"Babbit made a decision that was highly likely to get her shot."
I disagree. Simply as a matter of probabilities, nothing she did hasn't been done by hundreds or thousands of others without getting shot. Coming across a thing like Byrd is just astonishingly bad luck.
"She did not deserve the death penalty."
She didn't receive the death penalty. Minnesota does not have the death penalty. She was killed in the course of committing a crime and endangering the life of a member of law enforcement. This happens hundreds of time yearly people whose criminal activity otherwise would not get result in a death sentence.
Ashli Babbitt, by contrast, did not have a deadly weapon. While the investigation exonerated Michael Byrd, the claim that Babbitt was a threat to anyone's life is much harder to make. Had Renee Good simply disobeyed the officer and run away (akin to what Babbitt did), she would not (and should not) have been shot.
Good was shot in the face because her body was shielded while operating her guided missile. Babbit was shot in the neck while escaping the Pelosi-rrection because she was laying in a prone position, with probable Diversity motives.
The former was carried out in self-defense, and the latter as Capitol punishment under the Pro-Choice religion in Democratic jurisdictions following progressive principles exercised with liberal license.
Did she deserve the death penalty? Interesting question. But it has really more then one question embedded in it.
If she had succeeded in running him over and severely injuring him, would she receive the death penalty in a court of law? No. If she had succeeded in running him over and killing him would she receive the death penalty? Most assuredly not in Minnesota, and realistically, not in federal court. Some judge would overturn it for some mystical magical reason from emanations and penumbras and invisible ink between the lines.
Did she deserve the death penalty from the officer she was aiming the car at and trying to run over? Absolutely f-----g yes. Or- from any officer or civilian observing what was going on and desired to prevent harm to an officer doing his job.
For anyone facing kill or be killed decisions- well, from my viewpoint, better them then me. When working with teammates, better the bad guy then the good guy. Really quite simple, no second guessing.
Freder Frederson said...
Thank you for proving my point. That was a perfect "Yes but..."
In your deluded mind, how on earth did I prove your point? You claimed that I made comments about Kirk, which I never did.
I will repeat: You are a fucking liar.
You never approach any subject from the perspective of someone searching for objective truth or the good of society as a whole.
Everything you do is with the motive of gaining more power over other people.
You avoid the topic of Charlie Kirk because there is no benefit in achieving your goals.
You pretend that because you never said anything about it that it never happened.
Yes.
But.
Fuck Philly, GO 9ers!!!!!
If I recall correctly (and I could well be wrong) David French is more of an expert on trouser creases than anything else. He can spot a future President by the crease in his trousers.
David brooks as opposed to david frum (we never see them in the same room)
By the way, the profesionally-trained terrorist who tried to kill an Olympic Torch runner in Canada is Emily Good of Food Not Bombs, a longtime front-group for terrorist activities. Happily, the torch runner was extinguished quickly. Unhappily, Good moved to Rochester to continue her terrorist activities and was picked up by CNN as a commentator. Here is a link. Maybe you can get a date with her and channel your obsessions into less dangerous denials: https://tinatrent.com/hows-that-anti-cop-crusade-working-out-rochester-edition/
I really do these activities, though proving it to an anonymouse like you is a real waste of my time.
“As the late Ashli Babbit once said, in America you should be able to protest without being shot dead.”
Blocking/disrupting traffic and aggressive taunting of law enforcement personnel ISN’T protesting.
Thanks, Aggie.
’Lefties don’t agree with a policy and right away its boxcars and Gestapo. It’s as if they understand their positions have no merit.’
They certainly understand that their positions can’t be argued rationally. And the resulting frustration and anger yields absurdity.
“It strikes me that the exact opposite of that is what has occurred. And immediately after [Renee Good] was killed, she was called into domestic terrorist, very publicly.”
Well, she was a domestic terrorist. She was engaged in disrupting the operation of government law enforcement, for political reasons. And when she tried to drive down the ICE agent, her use of violence against government officials made her a domestic terrorist.
French was just pissed that Trump and Noem beat the news cycle. The left, the MSM, etc want to be first, because they want to control the news cycle, and slant news in their direction. By the time they had their coordinated news story together, the Trump Administration had spoken, with one voice, setting the base news story that the left had to compete against.
Before Trump and Naom spoke publicly, I expect that they knew the following:
- Good was dead, shot by an ICE agent in self defense, after she hit him and tried to run him down in her 4,000 lb vehicle.
- He was in, and out pretty quickly from the hospital (likely Hannipin County, where a college buddy ran the ER for several decades).
- Importantly, that meant that he was hit by her vehicle, thus corroborating the self defense aspect.
- Good and her wife had been driving around, trying to box the ICE agents in for some time. By the time the shooting occurred, the ICE agents recognized her vehicle, and she recognized them individually. That made her presence and actions right before her death planned (to disrupt ICE) and not inadvertently getting stuck.
One reason that the Administration could respond so quickly was that they had the inside information, and used it. By the time that their opposition was trying to get into the news cycle, and was questioning whether the ICE agent had even been hit by her vehicle, he was in, and probably getting out of the hospital. Protected by armed federal agents. They knew what had happened, and the MSM really didn’t, that early.
Hannipin County was one of the first ERs with metal detectors and limits on how many people could accompany patients. The story is that rival gangs got into their usual shoot out. The wounded members were transported to the ER, and encountering members of the opposing gang, the gun fight picked up where it had left off - but with potentially much more collateral damage. Of course, federal agents are exempt from this.
Calling Good a terrorist is crazy talk. She and her partner were live acting role playing as social justice warriors. These two ladies reminded me of kids on a playground taunting someone while the teacher is there. They think they are safe because they know the agents are not Gestapo. They were no threat until she stepped on the gas - triggered by the ice agent aggressively reaching in the car and the lady saying drive baby drive. I am not saying the agent is guilty of murder. However, I think in that situation. I would have tried to step or jump to the side instead of killing a very stupid lady. I stand by what I said earlier ICE handled this poorly. I think they could have convince the ladies to move without aggression.
Freder,
This is why you have no credibility on this board. You are so married to narrative that you are unable to evaluate facts outside the prism of desired output.
When the officer was circumnavigating her car, she was in park. He stopped at the right front bumper and did not step in front of her car. So your premise that he was at fault for stepping in front is wrong.
She then put the car in reverse, turned the wheels to the left and backed up slightly. He ended up in front of her car by HER actions.
At that point he was right in front of her when she shifted into forward gear and her front tires began spinning forward. This means that she was, at that moment on a trajectory to run the officer over. His reaction at that point is what you need to use to determine if it was a proper response. You can't use her later turn to the right as that is immaterial to his reaction and response.
I agree that she did not intend to run him over. But he can't know that since she had just positioned her car to point it at him and then began accelerating toward him. The fact that she clipped him is proof that her actions resulted in vehicular assault, regardless of her intentions.
In all likelihood, she was living by the law of tonnage in a parking lot. She's in the car and she is moving, the people outside should move out of the way for safety, but this was not a parking lot and these were not random people, these were armed officers who were intending to give her that very minor citation for obstruction that she decided she didn't really want and therefore made a tragic error in judgement. She HIT AN ARMED OFFICER with her car. That is the proximate cause of her demise. And all your arguments amount to "I'm a ideological idiot."
Frum has his own gravity well around him, for instance
It was whittaker chambers who thought, when he came 'out of cold, he might have joined the wrong sides, burnham probably didnt have such doubts
’They think they are safe because they know the agents are not Gestapo.’
Such an excellent point. I doubt anyone Germany ever tried to block the road or impede Gestapo operations because of the guaranteed torture and/or death from such activities.
Koot: " I think in that situation. I would have tried to step or jump to the side"
To which side? The vehicle is already almost touching you. Oh, and you're on a slippery surface. Zig instead of zag and you could fall down and slide under the vehicle.
"I think they could have convince the ladies to move without aggression."
The ladies had been aggressing against them, multiple times that day. The soon-to-be-widow said "we'll see you again" or words to that effect.
You can talk judgment and de-escalation all you want, but sometimes the other guy just makes the judgment to stay escalated. CC, JSM
Bruce Hayden said...
- Good and her wife had been driving around, trying to box the ICE agents in for some time. By the time the shooting occurred, the ICE agents recognized her vehicle, and she recognized them individually. That made her presence and actions right before her death planned (to disrupt ICE) and not inadvertently getting stuck.
This is where Good goes from being a stupid woman who foolishly listened to other people who got her killed, to being a traitor.
She was an enemy combatant using a deadly weapon against officers enforcing laws a majority of Americans want enforced.
She used that weapon to attack an officer and hit him with it in order to help foreign soldiers who are fighting our government.
She committed Treason and Sedition.
“I think they could have convince the ladies to move without aggression”
In order to be convinced she needed to stop her car. Which she did not do.
“I think they could have convince the ladies to move without aggression”
The "ladies" were busy creating content. Without inciting aggression, no content.
FDF
@Wa St Blogger, it is useless to try to explain things to Fredo, as he is utterly ineducable.l
“But under no circumstances is America a country where the command should be obey the men and women in uniform or your life as forfeit. That's not the standard of the United States of America.”
So, French wants anarchy.
OK. Fine by me. Light the fuse, boy.
Engine off. Hands up. Any questions?
White Lives Don't Matter
As far as I can see, Renee Good's death isn't going to spark off national riots and legacy media inanities. It's too cold - cold in the weather and cold in the collective heart of the left. There's no warmth anywhere for this foolish woman. Certainly no fire and fury on behalf of this mom who listened to the left and died of it. "Go out and block armed officers of the law on their way to arrest pedophiles and murders" - who tells a mom to do that? And when she dies on the mission, well, she was white and privileged all her life, so, no tears for Renee. Except those her six-year-old is shedding.
Blair said...
"You just have to defeat the enemy. And war sux, but Renee Good was on the other side, and in the end, she stood in the way of winning the war, and that's more important than even my life, let alone hers."
What? we're at war to who, the american people?
The only sad thing is that she was alower-class woman,,with lots of kids, manipulated by her obviously better-connected wife, to participate in trying to kill a cop. Fucked up from early on. Like most of the dupes.
Now arrest the "wife."
JSM @ 1:03, you’re conflating refusal to do ICE’s civil enforcement work with “harboring criminals.” A final order of removal is a federal responsibility to execute — states and cities cannot deport anyone.
If someone had a deportation order for 20–30 years, the simple fact is ICE didn’t carry it out. Sanctuary policies don’t cancel deportation orders and don’t stop ICE from acting — which is why ICE is arresting people now.
This isn’t circular logic. It’s a timeline problem you’re assigning to the wrong level of government.
Yancey @ 1:18; “If you follow the logic of RJW and Freder, then the illegal aliens in this country can never be arrested and deported even though that is what immigration law requires. What I want is for the lefties here, including you, to do is to boldly state that they don't want the illegal immigrants removed at all, criminals included. Rather than do that, you get these tenditious arguments about how the arresting of them and deporting them isn't being done in the most efficacious manner while offering no other alternate methods except for doing nothing at all.”
Those are your words, not mine. I’ve repeatedly said I support removing immigrants who are here illegally.
I did catch the distinction of “illegal immigrants” and “criminals included” so perhaps you can clarify that. So let me state who I’m not in favor of deporting or arresting. Unless they are convicted felons, that would include the approximate 1.6 million who were here legally but had that status removed by no fault of their own by a stroke of Trump’s pen. It would include adults who were brought over as children. It would include those in a limbo window attempting to have paperwork changes- such as parentless 17 year old here legally as a minor and arrested on his 18th birthday trying to reapply. I could go on but hopefully you get the drift.
Are the Goods actually married? There are conflicting reports about that.
The story is still developing. French is doing what the people he objects to are doing: imposing his own resolution on the matter. Minnesota may put the ICE officer on trial. In the meantime, there's nothing wrong with expressing just how sick one is of the protesters' antics and nothing wrong with pointing how dangerous such stupid games can be.
"Minnesota may put the ICE officer on trial."
Here's a video addressing the actual relevant laws in Minnesota...
What Does the Law Say About the ICE Shooting in Minnesota?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y04ndAPynMk
Was it gene genovese that inspired you
RJW aka Ourobouros: "Sanctuary policies don’t cancel deportation orders and don’t stop ICE from acting — which is why ICE is arresting people now. This isn’t circular logic. It’s a timeline problem you’re assigning to the wrong level of government."
Ok, so you have no objection to ICE rolling around the streets enforcing removal orders? Knocking on doors to ask people if they've seen Hasan or Jose or Huan-ying or whoever? Making federal arrests for interfering with these efforts? With no assistance or even presence from the 'real' police because it's a sanctuary city?
Because that's what they're doing right now. So you have no problem with it and indeed think "damn, they shoulda been doing this for the last 30 years?" CC, JSM
“ However, I think in that situation. I would have tried to step or jump to the side instead of killing a very stupid lady. I stand by what I said earlier ICE handled this poorly. I think they could have convince the ladies to move without aggression.”
Maybe they could have. And then next time, the two of them would have cut it closer to the line.
I think that ICE did just fine. They got the Administration’s message out just fine: Don’t fuck with ICE when they are doing their job. And given her sex, and that of probably a majority of the protesters, Pussy Power Privilege (see above) doesn’t protect you, when you assault a federal agent. It doesn’t matter if you are male, female, both, or none, if you physically assault (or even disobey) a federal Agent, doing his job.
I really do think that Good and her wife thought that she had Pussy Power Privilege over the male ICE agents. She smiled at them, when ordered to get out, then started to drive off. That smile, told me that she thought that that was all she needed, to get away with blatantly disobeying the ICE agents’ lawful orders.
And the Administration made clear that this isn’t going to work with their agents.
Vizzini, (i dont know if hes as fat as wallace shawn) but still
Some light humor
FAFO in Real Time: Man Points 'Gun' (It's His Phone) at Federal Officers, Gets Instant Lesson – Twitchy https://share.google/TJUXQHzTgQbSVk6oM
My theory is that she'd seen all the videos of protesters hanging on slow-moving ICE vehicles and thought she'd try reversing roles. Bad idea.
It was weird that her vehicle straightened out and accelerated after the shooting.
The surviving dike seemed to be the “husband” of that tragic twosome. So smart to run the mouth, as was done. /sarc
'ciso, phone dude was very lucky he didn't get shot with a real gun. Tribute to the judgment and restraint of the agents. CC, JSM
“Minnesota may put the ICE officer on trial.”
Nope. Not this time. Not with Keith Ellison as MN AG and Frey mayor. Most often, local jurisdictions are given concurrent jurisdiction. Not this time, after what AG Ellison did to Derek Chavin, who was just following PD policy (which was not a bad policy). He knowingly suppressed exonerating evidence (that the hold George Floyd was placed in WAS PD approved and taught at the police academy, for just this situation - narcotics OD, and that the level of narcotics in his system was almost assuredly why Floyd died), for political gain. It just took 4-5 years to come out. And the Minneapolis mayor has, very obviously from his public statements, already prejudged the case, again for political gain.
This is, first and foremost, a federal case. Was the ICE agent justified in the use of deadly force under federal law? Very likely yes. And if so, MN law is irrelevant, under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution.
Hayden: yes. All the academic finetooth combing over when feds can be prosecuted in state court overlooks situations like this where the state officials have a track record of simply corrupt vindictive prosecutions. I wouldn't subject one of my guys to that even if he raped and ate a baby in front of me. CC, JSM
ok, here's a serious question for those people that think that Goodie Good WASN'T Trying to kill the cop.
What WAS she trying to do?
She'd gone there, as an ‘ICE Watch’ ‘warrior’ who trained to resist feds.
She'd parked her car crossways in the middle of the street, to obstruct them.
She'd refused to leave (when ordered)
She'd refuced to get out of her car (when ordered).
At That Point (while her "wife" was screaming: "Drive! Drive!! Drive!!!"),
she backed up, put the car in forward gear, and then..
WHAT (ACCORDING YOU?) DID SHE DO THEN?
what? she was trying to comply? a little late for That
what? she was trying to FLEE?
..with her wife outside filming?
..after the cops had filmed her AND her car?
she was There, to get arrested, and to "resist"
WHY DID SHE DRIVE? (i mean, other than to hit/scare the cop?)
anyway, could you lefties educate me? help this be a lerning experience
thanx!
https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/renee-nicole-good-was-minneapolis-ice-watch-warrior-who-trained-to-resist-feds-before-shooting/
Funny how we dont anything about her, maybe she was the handler?
Ashli Babbit and Renee Good were both engaged in civil disobedience and encountered poorly trained cops who chose to place their bodies into a position of jeopardy and then panicked.
In the Minnesota incident the cop’s attention was focused on recording with his own cell phone rather than paying attention to the proximity of his body to the vehicle.
Back in the 60's the cops broke up demonstrations with dogs and clubs. These ICE agents are treating anti-ice with kid gloves compared to how it was done back then.
French was (and still is) just a baby.
Every once in a while you can see someone look down and realize the cliff is gone from under their feet...
We're all going to jail in 2028 because of foolish takes like Achilles': "She attacked an officer with a deadly weapon. She gets shot 100/100 times."
You are an embarrassment.
Upon the ascendancy of Trump to high office, Mr. French's reason became unmoored from rationality, and as of yet, he is totally unaware.
“ What Does the Law Say About the ICE Shooting in Minnesota?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y04ndAPynMk
Excellent breakdown - if state law applied. I esp appreciated that he pointed out that MN is one of the few states that retains the Retreat Doctrine. Except, here, the ICE Agent didn’t have time or opportunity to Retreat. He drew and fired when she was in the process of running him down with her 4,000 lb personal deadly weapon/vehicle.
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@MattWhitlock
"Look at the training “MN Ice Watch” (which Renee Good belonged to) gives:
They train activists to assault law enforcement, to swarm, pressure, and open their car doors.
And they say each “de-arrest” is a “micro-intifada.” Do with that what you will."
All Of Ice Watch and the dem donors are acting illegally
whoever said:
"’They think they are safe because they know the agents are not Gestapo.’
that. That!
That is very interesting
JSM; “ Ok, so you have no objection to ICE rolling around the streets enforcing removal orders? Knocking on doors to ask people if they've seen Hasan or Jose or Huan-ying or whoever? Making federal arrests for interfering with these efforts? With no assistance or even presence from the 'real' police because it's a sanctuary city?
Because that's what they're doing right now. So you have no problem with it and indeed think "damn, they shoulda been doing this for the last 30 years?"
The problem is, that’s not they’re doing now. What’s happening comes closer to blowing off doors, dragging people through the broken car door glass, or shooting them in the vehicle (Good wasn’t the only incident), flying survivors off to a for profit prison, only to find out they weren’t Hasan or Jose or Huan-ying or whoever.
And in most cases thus far, those arrested for impeding has been an embarrassment and exposed the administration of lying. There even going out of their way to cover up or hamper the Good investigation.
I can understand you’ve been isolated from this information.
"They think they are safe because they know the agents are not Gestapo."
They want to encourage people to attack them as if they are.
Sorry, I was following the Bills game. Ah, David French. What more needs to be said?
“We're all going to jail in 2028 because of foolish takes like Achilles': "She attacked an officer with a deadly weapon. She gets shot 100/100 times."”
Not 100/100 times, simply because many LEOs are not as skilled as this officer was. But justified 100/100 times. He was able to draw and shoot accurately three times, in maybe a second or so, when confronted with imminent deadly danger, despite being under the stress of that danger. That takes practice, practice, and more practice. He didn’t have to think - he just did. Everything else is muscle memory.
It’s hard enough to get the time down to what this officer did. Worse though maybe is that the normal physiological response to a mortal threat is that the blood flows from the extremities to the body core, leaving you with fingers that feel like sausages, etc.
For all the nincompoops stating ICE aren't "real police", show me the law or regulation that says that.
And many people crossing the border- including US citizens, get surprised when they find the Constitution doesn't apply at the border. If a CBP officer tells you yo unlock your phone- unlock your phone. No warrant required. Your going to spend a lot of time sitting in a small room while your car is torn apart looking for contraband if you don't.
"There was absolutely no reason they needed to put themselves in a life-threatening position. They could easily let her drive off and have local police arrest her later."
So in other words, law enforcement officers should cease enforcing the law they're sworn to uphold. I mean, why should they even be there in the first place, right?
Like French, you're endorsing anarchy.
Fine by me.
Sorry, I was preoccupied with the Bills game. Ah, David French. What more needs to be said?
Frenchs mustard hes as risible as noodle head nance
"bagoh20, you and your ilk cannot claim what someone online says is a common philosophy among all democrats and then object and say Achilles is not representative of your views"
I did the exact opposite. I said that It would be unfair to do it to either group, but you disagree. Got it.
"There was absolutely no reason they needed to put themselves in a life-threatening position."
So you call 911 and tell them there is a known felon in your house. They say: "We'd like to help, but that could be life threatening. Good luck."
'Were not trained for that type of violence' demolition man
RJW: "The problem is, that’s not they’re doing now. What’s happening comes closer to blowing off doors, dragging people through the broken car door glass, or shooting them in the vehicle (Good wasn’t the only incident), flying survivors off to a for profit prison, only to find out they weren’t Hasan or Jose or Huan-ying or whoever."
Yup, I wailed and you did not mourn.
Or as Goldmember said, there is no pleasing you.
Your reasoning boils down to ICE Wrong Always. CC, JSM
How dare you refer to a masked squad of white nationalists as the Gestapo!
Calling attention to the fact that it’s the same tactics that the Nazis used, hurts ICE’s ability to disapear and murder people, as well as their ability to conduct warantless door to door raids.
Like it or not, Achilles is quite representative of 'your team'
Whereas Thomas Crooks, Ryan Wesley Routh and Tyler Robinson are quite representative of yours.
Sure you want to go down this path?
So you call 911 and tell them there is a known felon in your house. They say: "We'd like to help, but that could be life threatening. Good luck."
Or they could use the LAFD approach: "You got yourself in the wrong place if you need protection from a felon".
"In the Minnesota incident the cop’s attention was focused on recording with his own cell phone rather than paying attention to the proximity of his body to the vehicle."
As the left would say: "Does that mean he deserved the death penalty?"
@ Bruce Hayden at 5:37 PM
She was extremely unfortunate (fatally so) that the officer was a crack shot. As you noted, many people might have shot and missed.
"In the Minnesota incident the cop’s attention was focused on recording with his own cell phone rather than paying attention to the proximity of his body to the vehicle."
Are you sure you want the police to automatically conclude that you're trying to kill them? I'm guessing the result of that will not please you.
"How dare you refer to a masked squad of white nationalists as the Gestapo!"
Not as white as the AWFL mafia, who look like the women's auxiliary for a KKK social club, and like them always vote Democrat.
“ Your reasoning boils down to ICE Wrong Always. CC, JSM”
Don’t think so. My reasoning is based on documented facts.
Your reasoning boils down to ICE is never wrong.
They can’t be, or you can never admit it because that would be disloyal, grounds to oust you from your tribe.
Does the awfl mafia disapear people to concentration camps with no process? Or murder citizens in the street?
Quiet piggy.
Vicki Weaver could not be reached for comment
The difference between the MAGAt cult and reasonable people, is that reasonable people see that Vicki Weaver was murdered through government tyranny. MAGAts cheer for action that Dementia Donnie endorses, no matter how fascist, immoral or criminal the action is.
TBH: "Does the awfl mafia disapear people to concentration camps with no process?"
They're the street auxiliary of Dem regimes that do.
"Or murder citizens in the street?"
Complete lack of self awareness. CC, JSM
I respect that people want to back law enforcement, but the available videos and expert analyses don't support the idea that Renee Good was trying to run anyone over—she appears to have been turning away when the agent fired. ICE policy restricts shooting at vehicles precisely to avoid these tragedies unless there's a clear, unavoidable deadly threat.
Calling it 'Pussy Power Privilege' feels like sidestepping the facts in favor of culture-war rhetoric. This was a U.S. citizen and mother killed in broad daylight; we should demand a transparent investigation before declaring it 'just fine.'"
" don't support the idea that Renee Good was trying to run anyone over"
No matter how many times you say, you don't know what she intended and legally it does not matter, especially when it can't be known, or even it it could.
Kakistocracy said...
she appears to have been turning away when the agent fired.
Which means her car was driving toward the officer before he fired. The officer is not required to guess what her next move will be if he fires.
"Does the awfl mafia disappear people to concentration camps with no process? Or murder citizens in the street?"
They disappeared this woman. She was sacrificed like a lamb.
“I respect that people want to back law enforcement, but the available videos and expert analyses don't support the idea that Renee Good was trying to run anyone over—she appears to have been turning away when the agent fired. ICE policy restricts shooting at vehicles precisely to avoid these tragedies unless there's a clear, unavoidable deadly threat”
Well, she did run the ICE agent over, or at least struck him with her personal 4,000 lb personal deadly force weapon. Trying to bury or ignore that reality is just silly. Just watch the videos of her vehicle from the right side, and it’s clear as day. Or watch that video of the Deadly Force attorney linked to earlier here. Plus, of course, there were hospital records along with agency records corroborating that.
"There was absolutely no reason they needed to put themselves in a life-threatening position.”
Bagoh20 responded…
So you call 911 and tell them there is a known felon in your house. They say: "We'd like to help, but that could be life threatening. Good luck."
Or, you call 911 and they say no removal until a federal judge signs off on the removal order.
The Minneapolis Police cars are being repainted:
"To serve and protect, unless it's life-threatening."
As dumb as this argument about the cop creating a life-threatening situation is, it's made worse by the fact that there was no such situation until Goode backed up, which THEN positioned him in front of the car, which is still not life threatening until with the wheels pointed at him, she put it in drive and hit the gas pedal. In less than a second it goes from not threatening to life-threatening
Many have commented about the fact that Good did not die because she failed to obey her Federal daddy, but because she drove her vehicle at a pedestrian who is a federal officer while being instructed to exit her vehicle.
Logically we all agree with "But under no circumstances is America a country where the command should be obey the men and women in uniform or your life is forfeit."
I wonder if the author of this article comprehends his own deceitfulness or is self amused with his own sense of clever sophistry.
“Calling it 'Pussy Power Privilege' feels like sidestepping the facts in favor of culture-war rhetoric. This was a U.S. citizen and mother killed in broad daylight; we should demand a transparent investigation before declaring it 'just fine.'"”
What’s to investigate? Start with the video and his ER visit. She struck him with her 4,000 lb deadly weapon. And he shot her while that was happening. Open and shut fully justified use of deadly force (in self defense) by a federal LEO engaged in his official business.
There will be a federal investigation, because there was an incident of use of deadly force by a federal LEO. And, no doubt, it will be published. Anything else is irrelevant, esp any “investigation” by MN AG Ellison or Mayor Frey.
“Logically we all agree with "But under no circumstances is America a country where the command should be obey the men and women in uniform or your life is forfeit."”
That is, of course, irrelevant. Good was killed because she ran down a federal LEO, in her personal 4,000 lb deadly weapon, putting him in reasonable fear of life or great bodily injury, and not because she drove away, ignoring lawful orders to get out of her vehicle.
It appears that the ICE agents were lawfully trying to remove her from her vehicle, when she attempted to flee. Fine. They could have broken out a window, if necessary, to drag her bodily out of her vehicle, once they caught her. Using reasonable force, if necessary. But the use of deadly force would not have been justified, unless she threaten it.
So, quit the false equivalents here.
I get wanting to support federal agents, but the videos aren't as 'open and shut' as claimed—multiple independent analyses (NYT, WaPo, etc.) show the agent wasn't clearly run over, and the SUV was turning away when shots were fired. DHS policy explicitly prohibits shooting at moving vehicles unless there's an unavoidable imminent deadly threat beyond the car itself, with stepping aside as a reasonable option. The agent's ER visit is noted, but it doesn't override the need to verify if his positioning created the danger. A thorough, transparent investigation (not just the internal federal one) is essential here—especially since local access has been limited and this involved a U.S. citizen killed during an operation. Rushing to 'nothing to investigate' skips the facts we still need clarified.
Hayden: "There will be a federal investigation, because there was an incident of use of deadly force by a federal LEO. And, no doubt, it will be published.:
I would prefer he gets the Byrd treatment: investigation done in complete secret, tersest possible conclusions released. And then a pardon on top to make sure.
And Harmeet Dillon unleashed on the MN authorities for violating Ross's civil rights for doing any investigation or prosecution of their own.
Too late for him to get the Byrd treatment in terms of his name kept suppressed as long as possible, but that would have been nice. CC, JSM
“I wonder if the author of this article comprehends his own deceitfulness or is self amused with his own sense of clever sophistry.”
My guess is the clever sophistry. It’s the false equivalents that I mentioned in my previous post.
Howard said...
Vicki Weaver could not be reached for comment
I guess you've either quit taking your meds or started on them again because at times you've almost sounded sane recently.
Vicki Weaver was literally and unquestionably unarmed and posed absolutely no threat to the FBI sniper who took deliberate aim at her from his secure position as opposed to the lesbian AWFL fanatic pointing her vehicle at an ICE agent who then had to make a split second decision about whether to shoot or not.
“And Harmeet Dillon unleashed on the MN authorities for violating Ross's civil rights for doing any investigation or prosecution of their own.”
She already has people in MN already, in response their refusal of demands for voter rolls by her new Election Integrity branch.
But I wouldn’t mind an investigation into the prosecution by AG Keith Ellison of the own four officers involved in the death of George Floyd. The prosecutors deliberately introduced false information in the trials (esp that the restraint technique used by the four officers wasn’t SOP with their PD, and taught at the Police Academy).
I hear you on the 'sophistry' concern—it's frustrating when debates feel like word games. But the videos aren't equivalent interpretations; multiple outlets (NYT synchronization, WaPo, BBC, CBC) show the agent wasn't clearly run over—the SUV's wheels were turning away as he fired. DHS policy itself prohibits vehicle shots unless there's an unavoidable imminent deadly threat, with stepping aside as an explicit option. That's not false equivalence; it's checking if the facts match the rules we hold federal agents to. A transparent probe (beyond just the internal federal one) would clarify this for everyone—no one wants officers in danger, but we also don't want avoidable tragedies.
Hayden: " I wouldn’t mind an investigation into the prosecution by AG Keith Ellison of the own four officers involved in the death of George Floyd."
Yes. Really wish the Presidential pardon power could be construed to cases like this. Or Congress could pass a law giving her that power as "appropriate legislation" to enforce 14th Amd guarantees. CC, JSM
jim said...
Blair said...
"You just have to defeat the enemy. And war sux, but Renee Good was on the other side, and in the end, she stood in the way of winning the war, and that's more important than even my life, let alone hers."
What? we're at war to who, the american people?
Yes. Renee Good was at war with the majority of people who want immigration law enforced.
She attacked the people we, the American people, hired to enforce immigration law with a deadly weapon.
Kak, you don't need multiple videos of a shooting to determine if it was good. You need one- and that one exists. All the others that might cast doubt on that TRUTH are from different angles. And are not definitive, because they don't show the front of the vehicle. It is possible to interpret them in different ways, but that doesn't disprove the video that is determinative. In fact, they can also be interpreted to support the definitive video. Which is why they're not definitive. The bullethole through the windshield is pretty concrete evidence the officer was in front of the vehicle when he fired.
The standard of proof for a guilty verdict for officers and civilians alike is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In this case there's no reasonable doubt in any direction - the officer is innocent. Not not guilty, but innocent of any wrongdoing. With the unconstitutional exception of social justice verdicts obtained by false and perjured testimony as when Officer Chauvin was convicted of murdering a drug addict who died from a self inflicted drug overdose.
Kakistocracy said...
I get wanting to support federal agents, but the videos aren't as 'open and shut' as claimed—multiple independent analyses (NYT, WaPo, etc.) show the agent wasn't clearly run over, and the SUV was turning away when shots were fired.
Everyone can see the video.
Millions of people have watched it in slow motion without your dishonest gatekeepers.
Everyone saw the Officers body cam video and heard the car hit him and watched it knock him backwards. They heard the engine rev up as she drove the SUV at him.
Worst of all for pieces of shit like you, they saw her face looking right at the officer as she hit the gas and drove her vehicle at him.
She had the face that someone possessed by a demon would have driving a vehicle at someone like that.
"But under no circumstances is America a country where the command should be obey the men and women in uniform or your life is forfeit."
"Drop the gun or I'll shoot," would be such a circumstance, Dave.
"Millions of people have watched it in slow motion without your dishonest gatekeepers."
The left are missing their news gatekeepers almost as much as they've been missing their slaves.
It's not sophistry, because it's not minimally plausible. It's a simple and obvious straw man argument. Nobody thinks the feds should be shooting people for not obeying commands. Hell, they could be deaf, or not speak English, and the cops are trained plenty on this. That's why they didn't just shoot her for disobeying their commands for 3 straight minutes before she made it a life-threatening situation. Lots of others there were disobeying commands too. They didn't get shot. Most didn't even get arrested for it. Any other dumb arguments. I'm sure the supply is endless.
Ah, jesus. You're just as dumb as kak.
I'll tell you again because you're stupid and need to be told twice.
When the copper. Tells you. To get out of your fucking car. Get out of your fucking car. Do NOT mouth off. Keep your filthy, fucking cock holster shut.
Do NOT. Drive into the copper.
Is there anything else that you need explained?
In the Minnesota incident the cop’s attention was focused on recording with his own cell phone rather than paying attention to the proximity of his body to the vehicle.
Prole, this tells me in no uncertain terms that you didn't watch his two videos- the one with the cell phone and the one recorded with his body cam after he put the phone away, which he does long before he moves back to the front of the vehicle. In short, you are criticizing him for something he literally didn't do.
Isn't it telling that no one answered my three questions. Tell us, why do you guys on the left find it so hard to admit that Good was deliberately obstructing the ICE operation by blocking the street?
RJW, I made the distinction because morons like you don't like it when I describe illegal aliens as lawbreakers by their presence in this country. Damned if I do and damned if I don't, right? As for your drivel about the change in status- you don't know what you are talking about- the people being arrested and deported by ICE are people who have long since had their status determined and deportation ordered. The people who have been recently taken off of temporary legal status are awaiting their own personal deportation orders and as those are ordered they can leave voluntarily or, if they refuse, then ICE will start arresting and deporting them. This is why I detest people like you- you bring false information like you just did all the time- it is almost like you don't have the ability to evaluate the things you have read and clearly don't understand how immigration law works at all. You can now claim you want those people under permanent legal status but no president actually has that power- it was always meant to be a temporary measure since only Congress can grant such a thing via new legislation.
Trump’s savvy decision to have an ICE officer publicly execute a protester could pay big political dividends by distracting the country from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal and the nation’s weak economy.
"This is why I detest people like you- you bring false information like you just did all the time- it is almost like you don't have the ability to evaluate the things you have read..."
"Read then evaluate" is not how the left works. They decide what it is they want, then make up shit to justify it.
Kakistocracy said...
Trump’s savvy decision to have an ICE officer publicly execute a protester could pay big political dividends by distracting the country from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal and the nation’s weak economy.
I can tell you what it's really done - given Walz, Ellison and the rest of the local grandees cover from the ongoing exposure of their malfeasance in allowing billions of dollars in fraud to take place in this state. Knocked it right out of the headlines for the moment.
How was that ride in the Greyhound, Ward the Cleaver?
Normally I am just a spectator on these pages but as I am a transplanted Madisonian now living in my dotage in MSP, this matter is really hitting home. I see a lot of "maybes" but feel a lot of what is being said is biased by desired outcomes. This matter has really shown me how" facts" from the internet can be totally unsupported.
A friend has referred me to a Facebook posting that says the couple was not married; that the surviving partner is an ex con; and that the mother lost custody because her partner would burn the kids with cigarettes.....all of which I find no support for and assume it is BS. Does anyone know anything about these alleged matters?
“You must want us to believe that not only are they evil, but stupid too.”
They and you, hoser.
Somehow - somehow - French left out the bit about not running down cops with your car.
More encouragement to disobey lawful orders from the same Nevertrump idiots who endlessly lecture us about the Great Insurrection of 2021. The immigration laws being enforced were passed by Congress in bipartisan votes. The Left doesn’t have the authority to override the Law so they encourage the weak minded and ignorant to break the law and risk their lives.
Things like this that cannot go on like this will end badly and the fault is 100% on Democrats who choose NOT to call for calm, not to call for order but keep invoking chaos and death.
Freder: you can't know that. My illegal neighbor raped two different 11-year old daughters/stepdaughters in different counties. He was freed repeatedly in Hall County, a sanctuary county where he raped the biological first daughter and impregnated her, for crimes such as speeding, driving without a licence or insurance and resisting arrest at different times. Because he was illegal, they just cut him loose. We wouldn't get away with that there.
He made the mistake of moving to our county, where they enforce laws. Raped his 11-year old stepdaughter repeatedly until a teacher intervened. He was so emboldened he called 911 to explain that she was old enough to have sex with him. He's in prison for life now, and the (illegal) victims in the other case can now press charges.
So, you piece of human garbage, where are these other convictions counted as crimes committed by illegals?
“The right to peaceably assemble” is the fig leaf for protesters that the violent street activist Left hides behind. Angry mobs blocking roads are illegal on their face and doubly so when it’s an organized conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement. The Trump admin did not flippantly call her a terrorist, they had identified her and documented many prior incidents she had already incited. The surviving spouse showed familiarity with the agent when he was checking the plates.
Unfortunately the media is, like the homicidal Left, “pretending” that last Monday’s incident “began” when the agents walked up to arrest her. Admitting she, and ICE, have a prior history ruins the myth the NYT is trying to write in real time.
David is French.
Kak - It's laughable that you create whole bullshit out of thin air.
AS if Trump had a microphone in the agents ear. You really are a bot-joke.
Still waiting for you to answer Yancey's Question to you.
" Tell us, why do you guys on the left find it so hard to admit that Good was deliberately obstructing the ICE operation by blocking the street?"
ICE watch should be labeled a Terrorist network.
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