Said Senator Ruben Gallego, Democrat of Arizona, quoted in "Abolish ICE? It’s a Slogan Some Democratic Critics of ICE Would Abolish/As Democrats grow more alarmed about the Trump administration’s aggressive immigration raids in American cities, some worry that calls to eliminate the agency will distract from efforts to rein it in" (NYT).
Third Way, a centrist Washington-based think tank, released a memo [saying]... “Every call to abolish ICE risks squandering one of the clearest opportunities in years to secure meaningful reform of immigration enforcement — while handing Republicans exactly the fight they want”....
“The radical ‘Abolish ICE’ crusade from far-left Democrats seemed like a relic of the past, but it’s the brand-new litmus test for Democrats who are barely hanging on and begging on their knees to get approval from their socialist base,” [said a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee].
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it’s the brand-new litmus test for Democrats
Same as the old litmus test.
"Defund the police" was likely in the Democrats' "why we lost report" which, of course, was why they declined to make it public.
You know how you get a slimmed-down ICE? Repeal the neo-Confederate "sanctuary" rules and voluntarily turn over the illegal alien criminals your police catch to ICE instead of releasing them.
Now ask yourself why the Democrats, specifically Tampon Tim and Soy Boy Frey, won't do that.
But: Who is asking for ICE reform? Is it the same cadre that is asking to defund police, the same cadre that is asking for ICE top stop detaining illegal aliens, because 'no one is 'illegal'? Is it the same deformed circular logic? I've heard nobody asking for reform - only for those Progressives demanding that ICE stops doing its job, or the majority of Americans, asking that it continues and carries on, even harder.
“Every call to abolish ICE risks squandering one of the clearest opportunities in years to secure meaningful reform of immigration enforcement — while handing Republicans exactly the fight they want”....
Remember when congress had to pass "comprehensive immigration reform" with amnesty if we wanted to control the border?
Good times.
gallegos is one of the mutineers, who owes his seat from the dubious count in maricopa county,
I don't buy it, they don't want any meaningful deportation regimen, see the travails to remove effendi khalil,
Yes, it's tactical or cosmetic, not a substantive disagreement.
"People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security."
I'm going to climb way, way out on a long, slender twig and surmise that Ruben Gallego's eyes are brown. Maybe he could explain what this "security" people want looks like? It doesn't look like a couple thousand rioting Somali grifters.
People want an ICE that deports anyone unlawfully within the USA. Anyone and everyone. Peaceful or not.
The vast majority of Americans obey rules. We're a rule abiding society. Similar to but not identical to a law abiding society. And the rules can and should apply to everyone.
’Every call to abolish ICE risks squandering one of the clearest opportunities in years to secure meaningful reform of immigration enforcement…’
The opportunity for ‘meaningful reform’ is available now because enforcement has been absent for years…
People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security.
And Ruben Gallego, along with every other Democrat in Congress, wants ICE to stop dismantling their election fraud/scam force!
The democrats do not want their illegal voters and soldiers deported.
They are just trying to find the right way to frame this.
but the far mob left are in control. The insanity of the corrupt mob left are in control.
Trump is a master at this game.
He's literally got every Democrat demanding a Willie Horton in every pot.
the third way, ends up being that armadillo in the middle of the road, it's not like the dlc was two generations ago,
"That ended up not actually helping communicate what people wanted. People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security."
No, they don't. They want to defund ICE, end all immigration enforcement, and have open borders.
Because ICE right now is going after people with final orders of decoration, generally with horrid crimes as well (Renee Good died trying to protect a guy who sexually assaulted an underage female. Not: age of consent in MN is 16).
ANYONE objecting to what ICE is doing right now is fighting for the complete abolition of ICE and US immigration law
"People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security."
People = democrats.
Import 10+ million illegals under Biden and then address that with a slimmed down ICE. That'll work (not).
This has been the plan all along. If they were truly serious about this they would support never letting illegals vote and not including them in the census numbers that determine apportionment.
The only leverage the Democrats have in the "clearest opportunity to reform immigration enforcement" is the "Defund ICE" lunatics in the streets. Now they want to marginalize them?
Democrats ostracizing their radical left faction in the streets could be viewed by them as a capricious "double-tap" on the death of Renee Nicole Good. First, encouraging her vulnerabilities to be exploited and be used as canon fodder. Second, by saying her actions are now part of the politcal problem for Democrats.
"People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security."
Immigration enforcement is not primarily about "security," it's about "enforcing" America's "immigration" laws.
But even Republicans shifted the focus to "security" under the thinking it's necessary to do so in order to have a border.
Illegals aren't being accosted because they're not nice people. They're being accosted because they're not supposed to be here.
“The radical ‘Abolish ICE’ crusade from far-left Democrats seemed like a relic of the past, but it’s the brand-new litmus test for Democrats who are barely hanging on and begging on their knees to get approval from their socialist base."
Other than incandescently blue districts, can Democrats even hope to win elections by catering to a batshit crazy base?
Defund the police and Biden's open borders were (1) a direct product of Trump Derangement Syndrome, and (2) boiled frog Democrats painting themselves into a corner as they hoisted themselves on their own petard.
At this point, only those owned by their supporters refuse to see the known root problems. The Democrats' folly has been obvious since their reaction to the planeload of migrants sent to Martha's Vineyard by Ron DeSantis in 2022.
Many will die manning the barricades because that's all they know.
Here is the ICE mission statement from their website at ICE.gov
Protect America through criminal investigations and enforcing immigration laws to preserve national security and public safety
Yup. That is pretty much what I want them doing, "enforcing immigration laws"
John Henry
Speaking of garbage hills the left wants to die on (or rather more accurately: asault or murder all the rest us for), the usually transurrectionist, Looney Loudoun Co. -loving thugs in the Washington shitPost commentgestapo are crying and begging for the democrats to ditch the transurrectionists!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/01/11/supreme-court-trans-sports-transgender/
When you've lost even lost your hired thugs on your position...
The same Leftist soviet who obeyed Soros and his defund the police mission - are obeying soros and other dark money forces in their attempts to build a corrupt dem-soviet one party state.
"That ended up not actually helping communicate what people wanted. People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security."
Weasel-words to the nth power.
so, you've got these herds of Awful people
(Affluent White Female Urban Leftist),
who are opposed to:
The USA
Morality
Freedom
and are supporting:
Islamism
Rapists
Child Genital Mutilization
China
Fraud
AND, these AWFUL people, are wondering WHY they aren't still winning elections? There is One Simple Answer: Voter ID
It's always about messaging with Dems.
WHY IS IT?
That ugly elderly obese women, want MORE rapists to be in our country?
hmmm
Is it Just their hatred of attractive women?
or do they somehow think, that the mean men will give THEM some attention?
i don't understand, please explain
"Many will die manning the barricades because that's all they know."
The barricades manned by the withered remnants of the Woodstock generation is an entertaining prospect.
"People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security."
Then you want every single Dem jurisdiction to honor ICE "detainers" for people in jail.
Since I don't see you demanding the Mayor Jacob Frey of Minneapolis start doing that, it's clear you're lying
"Third Way, a centrist Washington-based think tank, released a memo..."
Not centrist. Solidly left-of-center, as in Democratic Socialist. The DemSoc folks deride it as impure ideology, but if it were implemented, they'd happily use it as a gateway to full-on collectivism.
Walz still refusing to act like an adult, much less a state’s highest official, and call for calm and cooperation? It’d all be easier if he did.
People want a slimmed-down Somali fraud and corruption industry.
Todd Blanche
@DAGToddBlanche
ICE operates in thousands of counties without incident. Men and women doing their jobs, protecting us from criminal aliens.
Minnesota insurrection is a direct result of a FAILED governor and a TERRIBLE mayor encouraging violence against law enforcement. It’s disgusting.
Walz and Frey - I’m focused on stopping YOU from your terrorism by whatever means necessary. This is not a threat. It’s a promise.
his chinese handlers wouldn't let him do so,
Everyone needs to see Nick Sorter's video from the streets of Minneapolis last night.
This is now a political problem for Democrats and will justify a federal response.
BREAKING: MULTIPLE ICE and FBI vehicles have been DESTROYED and LOOTED by rioters in Minneapolis after federal agents were forced to abandon them
Agents gear, laptops, and personal information now LITTERS the street
BREAKING: Minneapolis rioters stole SENSITIVE DOCS including arrest warrants and agent info from DHS and FBI vehicles they broke into...
BREAKING: Minneapolis rioters successfully BROKE OPEN a weapons locker in a federal vehicle and STOLE A RIFLE and ammunition before fleeing
I captured the thief’s face and license plate on the getaway vehicle.
A “slimmed down” Ruben Gallego would be a good start for that fathead.
It's a messaging problem. They just need better messaging.
hes a large womprat,
"Third Way" is an unfortunate choice, "terza via" is how Mussolini advertised his program.
What sort of mayor takes pride in looking like a drunken Skid Row bum when facing his adoring media?
Jacob Frey, that’s who.
he has such a punchable face doesn't he, slurping down that somalian grub, kneeling to st floyd,
https://x.com/Tom_Maguire/status/2010839792267702640
its sad how some have lost their minds, like the good prosecutor
"The last thing we need to do, again, is to make the same mistake when it comes to 'Defund the Police' rhetoric."
Especially since 20,000-30,000 people died from the damage to policing effectiveness caused by the Defund the Police rhetoric.
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"...the third way, ends up being that armadillo in the middle of the road...."
i.e. the immortal words of Jim Hightower, who at the time was an unusually principled Democrat: 'The only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow stripe and dead armadillos.'
Props to the 280 lb. middle-aged female holding a sign that reads INCEL at one of the MPLS riots!
Very amusing!
yeah but hightower wanted to run over the armadillo
yeah top marks,
"People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security." Even "moderate" Dems have to spout BS. ICE enforces immigration law. It kicks out illegals. Dems want more illegals, not "security." If it costs us a few more Laken Rileys, so what?
Odd how a centrist think tank is working to get Democrats elected.
A “moderate” Democrat is usually a radical Democrat who realizes he can’t publicly admit it.
Achilles said...
The democrats do not want their illegal voters and soldiers deported. They are just trying to find the right way to frame this.
...I came to say this...
"That ended up not actually helping communicate what people wanted. People want a slimmed-down ICE that is truly focused on security."
What he means is that told people what we were going to do and that never works well for Democrats because the people don't want what Dem leadership wants.
Third Way, a centrist Washington-based think tank
Yah, just like the new improved CBS News is middle of the road. Later there will be a NYT correction where centrist will quietly be replaced with centerish
The best enforcement is to cut off the money to illegals except for the plane ticket home. People respond to incentives. Peaceful and painless for everyone...
Iman, ref Blanche's tweet: he's using 'insurrection,' which he as a lawyer knows is a term of art. Big telegraph of what's coming. And he's saying "by any means necessary," which isn't a term of art but which he has seen employed against his boss, so he can come up with a lot of "means" just by copying the Dem playbook. Very interesting. CC, JSM
I would like to know how how much of the money laundered by the Somali gov money scam gets kicked back to the democrats and how much these alleged protestors are getting paid.
Optics Leftism. The Left and the Democrats want zero immigration laws, open borders, and were happy when 20 million just walked across the border.
But y'know - that looks bad. As does attacking ICE agents, and musing about calling out the State NG troops to attack Federal agents. So, this guy is saying "pull back" "Its a bad look".
Unlike the Right, the Left has an agenda and a goal. They change tactics - they're flexible - but the goal doesn't change. They want White Americans replaced. Immigration is the method. The Republicans don't really disagree as long as it helps big business and the rich. Which is all they care about.
"WHY IS IT?
That ugly elderly obese women, want MORE rapists to be in our country? . . . Is it Just their hatred of attractive women?"
You may be onto something. Thirty+ years ago, most of these women were laughing at women who opted for a husband, children, and traditional Christian values over the fun and glitzy lifestyles of sexual liberation they saw glamorized in Cosmopolitan and (later) Sex And The City. Now, these same women have mostly aged out of those kinds of lives and they have only cats, leftist politics, and the possibility of lesbian companionship to bring comfort to their sunset years. So, yes, I think it's entirely possible that they resent young tradwives in general and don't feel much human sympathy for them when some of them are victimized by illegal aliens.
“I'm going to climb way, way out on a long, slender twig and surmise that Ruben Gallego's eyes are brown.”
His eyes are blue.
“His eyes are blue.”
His eyes may be blue, but he’s still full of the brown stuff.
Note that he said they don't want the "defund ICE" rhetoric. He still wants the results though.
“WHY IS IT?
That ugly elderly obese women, want MORE rapists to be in our country? . . . Is it Just their hatred of attractive women?"
That’s so cute to focus on the women. Women aren’t the problem. If we’re going to bring up the sexes, it’s the men who are the problem. Governor of Minnesota, Mayor of Minneapolis, the thugs trashing ICE vehicles, the thugs at the protests.
Radical white Leftist females are a problem.
Radical White Left females are also the same who abuse their young children with the they/them - trans-insanity.
A little reminder regarding the massive problem with White Leftist Soviet-Democratical Females.
“Radical white Leftist females are a problem.”
They’re not the problem here. Here they get shot in the face. This is a (if we’re going to blame one sex or the other) male on male situation.
I’m going to put it another way, if all these radical feminists had the same views but were willing sex partners, no guy would even think twice about complaining.
Democrats never pass up an opportunity to pass up an opportunity. Who knows. Maybe they want to agitate Trump's snowflake nerves into triggering the Insurrection Act.
This doesn't bear too much contemplation, but do old lesbian couples, you know, DO anything, or just bake sourdough bread and pet their cats and throw Molotovs at ICE agents?
If guys only spent half the time they do contemplating the sex lives of lesbians, we’d already have a base on Mars.
Same Democrat Party that told us two years ago that border security meant allowing 4000 people crossing illegally into our country every day before enforcing the laws regarding how to legally enter the country. That is likely what they still mean by ICE only for security.
Why can’t these radical leftists give up their insurrectionist ways and protest peacefully like Ashli Babbitt?
Babbitt tried to calm the Pelosi-rrectionists, failing to temper the climate, she attempted to withdraw, only to be aborted in a prone position, in cold-blood, celebrated by Democrats as one less American "burden".
Emigration reform. Demos-cracy now. #HateLovesAbortion
The climate is mild, the waters are warm, and the winds blow with a comforting embrace on the idle of Lesbos after transitioning the pond.
Emigration reform to mitigate progress at both ends of the bridge and collateral damage throughout. Laken Riley's Life Mattered. #BabyLivesMatter (BLM)
We are where we are, thanks to 2020.
Eva Marie said...
I’m going to put it another way, if all these radical feminists had the same views but were willing sex partners, no guy would even think twice about complaining.
This is sufficiently stupid as to challenge the assumption that you possess even a nominal level of intelligence.
To be clear, not all of the anti-deportation people are female, by any means. The question was why so many of the older female anti-deportation crowd appear unmoved by the rapes and other violent crimes against woman that are being committed by the folks that the administration is trying to deport.
@Peachy, I opened that link.in your post at 2:39. WTF was that all about? The woman in the light blue top, what was her complaint with the little girl?
@Eva Marie, the stupid, evil woman in Peachy’s video clip, that was you, right?
So the democrat party is officially now a socialist party. They should NEVER win another election.
. . . and the same question applies to all of the female college students who are backing Hamas, which notoriously engaged in numerous rapes of Israeli woman as part of their 10/7 attack. A decade ago, these women would have been protesting the perceived "culture of rape" that existed on college campuses in the U.S. Now, they openly, unreservedly support societies in which a culture of rape is the literal reality.
"Eva Marie said...
I’m going to put it another way, if all these radical feminists had the same views but were willing sex partners, no guy would even think twice about complaining."
You think way too much of your *****.
Go away Gallego... ICE is doing just what their charter says it is for... removing illegals... just that simple.
Whether it's planned parenthood offering wombs' death care, or catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform, progress is not a viable choice. Abort.
NYZIs and DEZIs, too. #HateLovesAbortion
’…if all these radical feminists had the same views but were willing sex partners, no guy would even think twice about complaining.’
I would neither date nor screw a radical feminist. I would neither date nor screw a Democrat woman. And never will.
’If guys only spent half the time they do contemplating the sex lives of lesbians, we’d already have a base on Mars.’
We can mult-task. ;)
Dogma: You're talking about the 'crabs in a bucket' analogy. I think you are on to something.
I learned long ago, when I trained for my WSI certification, to be extremely cautious not to allow myself to be pulled down and drowned when performing a rescue.
W
"Eva Marie said...
I’m going to put it another way, if all these radical feminists had the same views but were willing sex partners, no guy would even think twice about complaining."
Not true. We could resort to goats, you know. At least you wouldn't have to put a bag over its head.
Goetz
While we are on the topic of replacement we can do an experiment.
In one country we can replace white men with any other men.
In the other country we can replace white women with other women.
Anyone want to predict which country would do better?
Mussolini did not invent " the third way", not even as a rhetorical trope. That was a late 19th century idea for resolving the socialist-capitalist split. The most influential document putting the idea in general circulation was Pope Leo XIII's "Rerum Novarum", 1891.
An essay within a book, "Modern Times", Paul Johnson, 1983, has a good short history of "third way" ideology. The "fascists", much less the Blair/Clinton social democrats, did not invent it.
It is frustratimg that with such a rich background of literature and documentation that such arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times over more than a hundred years have to be done over constantly, simply because nobody reads, and one has to engage with the ignorant, over and over.
A problem with very online, intellectually engaged people have in understanding conflict is that they (we) believe ideology to be much more important than it actually is--and that's why there's all the focus on the in-your-face women at these protests and not on the well-trained, masked, violent men who are attacking from behind that distraction-curtain.
They're the same people who were behind the Occupy "protests" and the actual violence at the BLM riots, as well as the violence on Jan 6.
Someone (China? Soros? Cuba? Venezuela? All of the above?) picked up those networks that had been built over many years by the Soviet communists: the people who wrote for the Young Spartacist and spent hours and hours at communist meetings. THEY are the people that law enforcement should be focusing on, but my guess is that those networks have penetrated law enforcement at both the big city and the Federal levels.
(Perhaps even scarier than the idea that the CCP or Soros is controlling these people is the possibility that nobody is controlling them, and they're just being funded and set free to do their damage).
"I would neither date nor screw a radical feminist. I would neither date nor screw a Democrat woman. And never will."
I have frequently done both. I dont see the problem. It a rather maniacal (as in harboring a mania) to have such rules, as women rarely are so dogmatic as to reder themselves undatable, all of them have unique personalities that one has to, at worst, work around, and political-social dogma is rarely the most salient problem.
“You think way too much of your *****.”
Sorry, I had no idea I said anything even remotely controversial.
The dirigism of bismarck was aupposed to be a mid point bwtween capitalism and socialism thats who hayek and von mjses were initially challenging
In re women and Hamas - women are creatures of fashion much more than men; group dynamics matters far more among women. Modern "influencers" (for everything) target women above all, because they are available to be influenced.
Logic and empiricism are generally less influential among women than a sense of popularity. There are exceptions - see for instance Sabine Hossenfelder or Camille Paglia.
Why can’t these radical leftists give up their insurrectionist ways and protest peacefully like Ashli Babbitt?
So you think your fellow, leftist thugs should suffer the same fate as Babbitt - up to and including being murdered - for crawling (unarmed) through a broken window?
Your terms are acceptable.
You know, you should really think your examples all the way through before you try to crack wise.
Cracking wise is eventually simply tiresome. I find it all truly exhausted. Make a real point, and defend it.
’I have frequently done both. I dont see the problem.’
I’m just worried that in the middle of sex they might scream out ‘Seize the means of production!’ and that would ruin it for me…
Rimshot
Yes the roses much like the black widows of chechnya are powerfully motivated
Then there others like the real tania (who was part of che guevaras entourage) or nora astorga of the sandinistas
The most salient problem (for me) as far as dating went was simple dullness. A woman who had nothing to say, who had no content in her grey matter, grew tiresome. Been there often. It was far easier to get a woman to bed than to have her interest me for over two weeks. My problem?
The concerning thing is what the tiktok dancers showed their mjndset
Jim at said...
Why can’t these radical leftists give up their insurrectionist ways and protest peacefully like Ashli Babbitt?
So you think your fellow, leftist thugs should suffer the same fate as Babbitt - up to and including being murdered - for crawling (unarmed) through a broken window?
Your terms are acceptable.
You know, you should really think your examples all the way through before you try to crack wise.
I agree with this.
There would be hundreds of thousands of dead democrats by now if we shot everyone who acted like Ashley Babbitt.
It is worth a try.
Saint Paul High School Walkout to Protest ICE Turns Into a Brawl – Twitchy https://share.google/LapFtgFqQfDw28oPZ
’A woman who had nothing to say, who had no content in her grey matter, grew tiresome.’
Totally agree. I’m blessed to be dating someone with an undergraduate degree in mathematics, and also speaks four languages fluently. She’s sharp as heck and knows it - which is also hot. Anyway…
I really love Wince's formulation "canon fodder." It doesn't work verbally but I'll use it in text from now on. Thanks!
Democrats prefer passive law enforcement to aggressive law enforcement. Always have - except, of course, forJ6 defendants and pro-lifers.
Gallegos in 1943--"People want a slimmed-down US military that is truly focused on security."
Get the majority of illegals out and get the border controlled. Then we can "slim down" ICE.
Right now ICE has their hands full just rounding up the illegals who have committed violent crimes and have warrants for their arrest. We have a ways to go.
As orwell said 'somethings are so silly, only intellectuals will believe it'
Know your Memes
Eva Marie said...
“You think way too much of your *****.”
Sorry, I had no idea I said anything even remotely controversial.
You didn't.
It was misinterpreted as Ingaesque.
Yes that was more than a bit harsh
A problem with very online, intellectually engaged people have in understanding conflict is that they (we) believe ideology to be much more important than it actually is--and that's why there's all the focus on the in-your-face women at these protests and not on the well-trained, masked, violent men who are attacking from behind that distraction-curtain.
I would only change this to include the women who actually are involved in leadership - surely there are some. As for the rest - I fall into this fallacy all the time, thinking people I know are as online and as engaged with politics as I am (and Lord, I'm not engaged at all compared with, say, Tina Trent).
It still shocks me every time I encounter someone who, I learn, doesn't know something that is established fact. Charlottesville. George Floyd's autopsy results. Biden's decline, obvious before the 2020 election and documented by people on his side beginning no later than spring 2021.
ICE will be larger next year as new budget funding and hiring kicks in.
That's what that hapless fool is trying to stop. Like actual organic climate change, there's no stopping it now.
Democrats are really going to (not literally) die on the "not giving up the criminal illegal aliens" hill.
Prof Drout at 438pm captures a key part of the puzzle. Who ARE these people who seek to overturn the constitutional order? Who pays their rent, makes their car and credit card payments, and gives them a supporting network?
After George Floyd, Los Angeles saw lots of marches and street rallies, and I tried to make sense of what was happenning. I saw lots of 20 something men with late model cars and walkie talkies coordinating the proceedings. Who the hell were they?
“I’m going to put it another way, if all these radical feminists had the same views but were willing sex partners, no guy would even think twice about complaining."
Saved by the irrefutable fact that most of them are obese 3 baggers. It also goes against the wise words that have been around since the ancients: “Don’t stick your dick in crazy”.
I'd like to hear ICE protestors asked: Isn't it true that if they try to interfer with ICE everywhere they are certainly trying to interfer with the deportation of murderers and rapists? And how will they explain their actions when someone they helped escape murders or rapes again?
The simple answer would be that actions define purpose, more than words. Put a different way, perhaps the simplest way: The purpose of something is what it does.
"Trump's aggressive immigration raids........"
Gosh. I wonder if this could be a response to the previous administrations aggressive disregard to our nations immigration laws. To leftists everything exists in a vacuum.
I don’t want a slimmed down ICE. I want every illegal alien deported ASAP. I want more ICE. As much as it takes.
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