ADDED: The rowdy mob is throwing snowballs. Reminiscent of the Boston Massacre.🚨 BREAKING: Minneapolis Police has now PULLED OUT as hundreds of protestors begin pushing police officers
— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) January 7, 2026
Antifa is going to be allowed to take over the city AGAIN.
The National Guard may need to be deployed VERY soon, as Democrats will let this place BURN! pic.twitter.com/ntr0OmK4xh
AND: From David McCullough's "John Adams" (commission earned):
ON THE COLD MOONLIT EVENING of March 5, 1770, the streets of Boston were covered by nearly a foot of snow. On the icy, cobbled square where the Province House stood, a lone British sentry, posted in front of the nearby Custom House, was being taunted by a small band of men and boys. The time was shortly after nine. Somewhere a church bell began to toll, the alarm for fire, and almost at once crowds came pouring into the streets, many men, up from the waterfront, brandishing sticks and clubs. As a throng of several hundred converged at the Custom House, the lone guard was reinforced by eight British soldiers with loaded muskets and fixed bayonets, their captain with drawn sword. Shouting, cursing, the crowd pelted the despised redcoats with snowballs, chunks of ice, oyster shells, and stones. In the melee the soldiers suddenly opened fire, killing five men....
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DHS: Woman in Minneapolis Allegedly Tried to Run Over Officers, ICE Agent Shot Her
National Guard in Minnesota called up? Will they ask for Command Sergeant Major Walz to go active?
I guess an antifa terrorist got ICEd today after she rammed her car into an ICE agent.
If Trump can’t use the NG ti protect federal employees and property, time to declare an insurrection and use regular US troops. Seems kind of backwards but if that what the USSC said to do, do it.
I'm torn between letting the city burn, after all, that is what they voted for, OR, sending in the NG and letting it devolve into the opening shots of a civil war.
Vid of cop shooting.
Nick Shirley has a new video Read the whole thing.
The third video I saw was pretty conclusive. The officer was struck, and he fired into the windshield while falling.
Of course, this won't matter to those trying to protect illegal aliens.
The video I saw isn't great, but it appears the SUV struck an officer at low speed. We'll see more.
Regardless, this is clearly the result of (white) leftists going out of their way to interfere in with law enforcement and to make every ICE interaction with the public as dangerous as possible.
They created the conditions for the actions they can then condemn. It's and old tactic: For police into split-second decisions and then judge them.
Looks like he shot her through windshield first, then driver window.
The dems definitely need a domestic riot about now. A burning city beats international events.
She was probably trying to go around, but she hit him nevertheless. So now, everybody knows what happens when you hit a cop with your car, however gently, however righteously, because your Protestin' is so on another plane of virtue, you can't wait to grab a Starbucks at the drive-thru and join the line of activist moms on your neighborhood streets, because Trump.
Send the Guard, use the clubs sparingly, and deport, deport, deport. And when Black Bloc shows up, deploy some extra vigor.
Unfortunately there's plenty more where she came from.
Biden and his lefty policies, open borders one of them, is the one responsible. Democrat values.
Turns out that people get freaked out when armed people in street clothes and no badge try to open car doors and pull people out.
I suspect this will be Rorschach's traffic stop, where everyone just sees their partisan bias
My sense at this point is that driver didn't know she would hit someone. On the other hand, she had no business running.
I'm torn between letting the city burn ...
I'm not, I don't care. It's like a self cleaning oven.
It's kind of strange what the algorithm decides what is of interest to me...I get lots of Reddit notifications about DHS or ICE vehicles in MSP area.
Longer vid..
Turns out that freaking out and losing control of your emotions has a consequence, even after being notified of widespread ICE operations, even after your app has identified the location of activities and you've rushed over to join the Resistance. Turns out, that's a stupid thing to do, and hitting Federal Agents with your car can mean real danger. Turns out it isn't Peaceful Protest when you do that.
Tragedy on all sides. No winners and losers. All are losing.
Minnesota or Minneapolis authorities may try to prosecute the ICE agent for murder. Expect tussles over the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution and 28 U.S.C. § 1442 which allows federal officials to move criminal prosecutions that are brought against them from state to federal court under certain circumstances. Given the heated rhetoric of Minnesota and Minneapolis elected officials, this violence was almost inevitable. Very sad.
That cop f'd up.
What a ridiculous and unnecessary turn of events. People have lost their minds.
Mayor Frey said the ICE pov is BS. He’s enflaming the crowd on purpose. What a pos.
FAFO. Don’t any of those idiot agitators have jobs? Or is Soros their paymaster?
I hope if they start destroying themselves they make it out to the airport. I hate that airport…
No, FullMoon, he did not. The cop in front of the car shot the driver from the front, through the windshield. The other picture shown at your link was taken after the shot as the dying driver accelerated away. Too bad she’s dead, but she did something stupid and paid full price.
Ellison, Frey and Walz should be taken into custody and charged with sedition. The sooner, the better.
Trump should double the amount of ICE agents in Mogadishu, aka Minneapolis.
With the cover of a riot this is a good time to address the fraud in all the other blue places…
The ICE person never fell down and started shooting her even before the car may have touched him. Watch the videos, it’s clear.
Big break for Tim Walz. This will take the heat off the fraud scandal, at least momentarily.
Why the second shot?
The double tap?
There were THREE shots by the ice person shooting at her.
@inga. If a car is coming you, you’re suggesting the ICE agent wait until he gets clobbered before shooting. That’s not protocol.
Defending the indefensible again
The driver turned her wheel to avoid hitting anyone, if the ICE agent jumped in front of her car to get a better shot at her, he is a murderer.
I’m uncomfortable with the Boston Massacre comparison. In that one the bad guys were the government…this one is more like the ‘95 Giants vs Chargers- ‘The Snowball Game’ where the fans hurt themselves and their team…
I'm getting the impression that Democrats prefer violence, chaos, and lawlessness. I don't know where I get that idea.
Hopefully the Left learned a lesson
I can't say I really care about this. If it happened in Texas, the public would be on the officer's side. If you are really to strike an officer, then you will runover anyone else. But three shots? That seems quite restrained.
Isn't the real question: Why didn't the woman follow the commands of the armed, uniformed officer and get out of her car when she was told to? Why did she then attempt to flee the scene, hitting another armed uniformed officer in the process, and drawing his fire?
Because she has been conditioned to believe not only that she could, but that she ought to - and that this is an acceptable form of protest. She probably died terrified, thinking she had done nothing wrong. This is her fault though, it was stupid, tragic, and unnecessary, but it is blinkered to imagine that the local political leadership has not set the stage for precisely these kinds of events, by demonizing Federal officers there on a clearly defined and legal mission.
The MN progressives are rubbing their hands now, finally they think they have something to work with.
So, the right is already celebrating the murder of a woman who may have been a legal observer, getting shot in the head because she was in ICE’s way and they were pissed off. Is this what has happened to our Country under the Trump regime? Yes.
Why the second shot?
I watched but can’t say. The officer could have lost the target in the B pillar of the car or the officer was concerned about the other officers in his line as the car moved or imminent threat was no longer present as the car was now beside him. Had the threat persisted and a clean line I’d expect an officer to empty the magazine…
Inga, tell your friends to stay out of the way.
Just looked at the video at this link. It clearly shows the ICE agent was moving out of the way of the car when struck by the driver side front bumper. If you watch this video from another angle; you can see the driver backed up and turned to the right. Because you can't see the ICE agent from this angle, it looks like she is avoiding the agents that stepped out of the vehicle to the left, but none of them are seen sprinting to the right of the vehicle. That means the ICE agent she struck was already there, and she turned her vehicle towards that agent and hit her accelerator.
Inga is a horrible person that doesn't care about anybody's safety.
I don't think Walz will make the same mistake he made in 2020. He will call out the Guard the first whiff of possible riots.
This woman committed suicide.
The usual CLUELESS, INEPT, MORONIC ignarant®…
Gov. Tim Walz and Mayor Jacob Frey are complicit in this woman’s death by vilifying the Federal agents. Igna nods.
Ann Althouse said...
Why the second shot?
Training.
If you are in a situation where the driver of a vehicle starts driving their car at you and you react in that second you do what you are trained to do.
People who sat in an office all day and never had any deep breaths or scary situations happen to them should probably sit this one out.
jim5301 said...
I don't think Walz will make the same mistake he made in 2020. He will call out the Guard the first whiff of possible riots.
He put out a "warning order." Lots of eyes on Walz right now and he knows it.
jim5301 said...
I don't think Walz will make the same mistake he made in 2020. He will call out the Guard the first whiff of possible riots.
And the absolute first thing they should do is arrest mayor frey.
They could probably even summarily execute him and be on solid ground.
The problem is Walz is complicit too. Even now they are still inciting attacks on ICE agents.
FullMoon said...
Vid of cop shooting.
1/7/26, 3:14 PM
I'm shocked to see you post this link. Amy Siskind? Tsk tsk tsk...
"Inga said...
The ICE person never fell down and started shooting her even before the car may have touched him. Watch the videos, it’s clear."
Unfortunately correct. Woman's family suffering, ICE officer and family suffering
This video is even more clear. The driver has an agent at her door telling her to get out of the vehicle. Instead of complying with law enforcement instruction (a crime in Texas, but I have no idea what Minnesota says about it); she turns her car towards another agent and hits the accelerator and that agent.
As for regular liar Mark; all officers are uniformed with "Police" clearly visible. In fact, it only says "Police", so an uninformed bystander wouldn't know if they are local, state, federal, ICE, or any particular law enforcement.
You know Mayor Frey is upset. I’m mean really mad. He’s one tough character. You know how I know? He dropped the F bomb. Impressive!
Mrs Walz will be happy. She loves the smell of her state burning down. She can open the windows up wide tonight~~
Libtards like Inga are full of compassion and outrage for the woman who died. They had zero for Ashli babbitt. Its all just an act. Leftists only care about power.
Filed under Police State we like
One angle looks worse than another, but seeing both, I have to agree that it was not a good shoot. The officer was not in mortal danger. She was not trying to run him over, or she could have. She was trying to avoid arrest. He easily stepped out of the way, and she did turn to avoid him. You can make the case that policy might allow it, but I hope I would never shoot anybody for that.
Leland said...
Just looked at the video at this link. It clearly shows the ICE agent was moving out of the way of the car when struck by the driver side front bumper. If you watch this video from another angle; you can see the driver backed up and turned to the right.
The combination of those videos makes it obvious the officer did the right thing.
The people who told this woman attacking ICE agents is OK all need to be arrested at this point.
"I believe the ice agents are acting lawfully within their rights and duties to be detaining people who dont have proper documents to be in America. So I have to ask: why are people harassing them?"
Because Democrats believe that the only laws that should be enforced are the ones they support.
Simple as that.
This will get their fraud out of the news. For now.
WALZ, Frey and Ellison’s incitement to commit criminal acts should be enough to remove them from political office and civil society.
This shows the failure of that supreme court decision last week
@ Howard. Whatever happened to Minnesota nice? I keep hearing that phrase.
Burning government office buildings probably eradicate quite a bit of evidence.
She’s the front runner for the 2026 Darwin Award.
The ICE person never fell down and started shooting her even before the car may have touched him.
Even if what you say is true (which I highly doubt), I'm not waiting to get hit before taking defensive action.
If you fuckers want a war, you're going to get one. And ICE will be the least of your problems.
As I see the video, she backed up so that she could turn right without hitting the officer in front of the car and she turned the vehicle away from the agent. I hope there will be a video that will show clearly whether the officer could have simply stepped out of the way. The car was probably going 5 mph at the time. It takes time to draw your gun - time that could have been spent running 1-2 steps to your right. Or was the gun already out - would that have been appropriate?
I guess to a large extent we see what we want to see - sort of like with the death of George Floyd, and Ashli Babbitt. What you see depends on your politics.
bagoh20 said...
One angle looks worse than another, but seeing both, I have to agree that it was not a good shoot. The officer was not in mortal danger. She was not trying to run him over, or she could have. She was trying to avoid arrest. He easily stepped out of the way, and she did turn to avoid him. You can make the case that policy might allow it, but I hope I would never shoot anybody for that.
He was pushed out of the way by a moving accelerating vehicle. The engine would be revving pretty loud.
He was not in a position to see or know what the vehicle would do next. The wheels were out of his vision because from his position the front left wheel was under his head when he shot.
Saying he "easily stepped out of the way" is not accurate at all. Anyone who has been in a situation where a vehicle hits them while accelerating would say that. The bullets went through the windshield. He was on top of the hood when he shot. At that point there is no discussion.
I also think the left is happy this happened. They don't care about this woman or the cops. The police need to avoid letting this happen. It's exactly what the the left wanted, and it hurts the cause of law and order more than just about anything they could do. If you don't pull that trigger, nobody gets hurt, and she gets out of the way, which was the objective, or should have been.
“What you see depends on your politics.“
Much, apparently, depends on one’s IQ.
In the closer angle from beside the car you can clearly see he has no problem avoiding her. The view from the front and farther away is deceptive.
The ICE killer shot THREE times at her. That makes it pretty obvious he thought he had the right to use deadly force to keep her from driving off. It appears that ICE killer put himself in front of her car to get a better shot at her.
the right is already celebrating the murder of a woman
Nobody here is celebrating it. That's for your side when some innocent speaker gets shot in the throat for .... speaking.
Tell me “you don’t know physics” without using those words:
The car was probably going 5 mph at the time.
“What you see depends on your politics.“
Not in my case. I don't know how a person of the right would think this was good for us.
Howard said...
Filed under Police State we like
File it under you don't get to drive your car into an officer who is trying to enforce the law we like.
If you are here illegally and you don't want ICE to arrest you you don't get to drive your vehicle at them.
Tragedy on all sides. No winners and losers. All are losing.
This is NOT a tragedy. Any person who assaults and tries to run over a federal agent in the performance of their duties deserves to be killed.
This woman DESERVED to die, and any of her friends or political allies who attempt to do what she did is also going to be shot right in their fucking faces.
Deservedly so.
Don't FUCK AROUND. You try to run over a cop, they are going to kill you and they should kill you.
On Dec 23, the Supremes specifically said that President Trump could use the Army, with the NG as a backup, if there was an "insurrection"
Seems awfully like Minneapolis is in a state of Insurrection aided and abetted by the mayor. Mayor Frey told ICE to get out as he could not guarantee their safety.
Will President Trump send the Army in?
John Henry
Inga blathered: “ It appears that ICE killer put himself in front of her car to get a better shot at her.”
You’re full of crap. Why post this nonsense?
He was never on the hood. Here it is close and in slow motion. She turned away from him, and he's left standing there unhurt.
https://x.com/i/status/2008994600296292725
@Inga: "...So, the right is already celebrating the murder of a woman who may have been a legal observer, getting shot in the head because..."
Who? Aside from the likely finding that it isn't 'murder', and that she already wasn't a 'legal observer', since she illegally disobeyed a direct instruction from a uniformed officer, Who is 'celebrating'? Names please. I don't see anybody celebrating here. I'm glad you weren't there, because your tendency toward irrationality would not have been conducive to de-escalation.
Why the second shot?
To make sure we never hear her version of what happened.
Inga said...
The ICE killer shot THREE times at her. That makes it pretty obvious he thought he had the right to use deadly force to keep her from driving off. It appears that ICE killer put himself in front of her car to get a better shot at her.
He put himself in front of her to keep her from driving away so they could enforce the law. She drove her car at him. He shot 3 times through the windshield.
You murdered this woman Inga. You told her to resist ICE.
Mayor Frey is responsible for a lot more people who are going to get killed soon during the riots democrats are about to start. It is time to remove these Democrat insurrectionists from the country.
"Nobody here is celebrating it."
I am.
I am celebrating this act of justice. It shows that our federal government agents aren't going to allow a bunch of rogue Democrats to attempt the assassination of federal officials enforcing the laws that the MAJORITY in this country passed.
It sucks that you don't like ICE or agree with our nation's immigration laws. It sucks for you. I know.
But we're going to kick all these fuckers out of here and you're not going to stop us and if you try, if you try to run over a federal ICE agent, you're going to be shot and likely killed and your death will be celebrated as JUSTICE.
“He was on top of the hood when he shot.”
That is a LIE. The shooter was never on top of the hood or barely even touching it. Didn’t you watch the video, or are you just talking out of your ass again?
She tried to hit the ice agent with her car. He shot her. Here endeth the lesson.
Why multiple shots? Could be what’s known as “ Stress-induced continuation of fire”, an adrenaline driven phenomenon.
I not going to give an opinion of the shooting at this point but that has been used as a defense signaling the shooting officer felt under stress or feared for his life.
I’d say be careful Althouse right wingers, before you all start sounding like FLC and Achilles. The comments sections here have already gone to hell.
bagoh20 said...
“What you see depends on your politics.“
Not in my case. I don't know how a person of the right would think this was good for us.
1/7/26, 4:12 PM
NOBODY thinks this is good. We just see it differently. I feel bad for her family...and I feel bad for the Ice Agent and his family too.
Inga is also wrong. He did not move in front to get a better shot. He was there before she started forward. Her back up turn put him in front, but her forward turn was away from him.
he got in front hoping that would stop her, so she turned away from him.
and started shooting her even before the car may have touched him
...with a car moving towards the officer I see imminent threat. 'Even before the car may have touched him'- what? What is this standard?
And I feel bad for our country that we have to go through this again. 2020 sucked.
Please watch the video in my link above. It makes things pretty clear.
Let me suggest the Gov. Walz and Mayor Frey are thrilled with this outcome. They encouraged this hatred of anything related to Trump. And now some woman gets killed. They are high-fiving in the governor’s mansion.
bagoh20 said...
He was never on the hood. Here it is close and in slow motion. She turned away from him, and he's left standing there unhurt.
https://x.com/i/status/2008994600296292725
You can play this in slow motion all you want. When someone starts accelerating a vehicle at you and hits you with it you don't have time to realize "oh I am OK."
She hit him with the vehicle. His shoulders and hands were over the wheel.
If you allow people to drive off in a situation like this you will have many many more people getting killed because they think it is OK to flee arresting officers.
A driver like this fleeing from law enforcement is highly likely to hit other people. Allowing her to drive off there had a very high likelihood of hurting or killing other innocent people.
Shooting this woman makes it clear you don't get to start car chases with the cops. Shooting this woman saved lives.
We know she lies with enthusiasm.
"bagoh20 said...
“What you see depends on your politics.“
Not in my case. I don't know how a person of the right would think this was good for us."
Correct. Media going to play this story in the worse possible way. Guy should have let her. Over reacted. Not going to pretend I would have done any different. In fact, I don't have enough guts to be in ICE, or law enforcement at all.
These lefty clown politicians encourage conflict because the resulting chaos is exactly what they want. They are some evil corksoakers, to be sure.
Why the second shot?
Shooting multiple shots with a semi-automatic happens a lot. It is much easier, even if unintended, than with a revolver. This is especially true with a spike of adrenaline hitting. Also, as mentioned above, it is common for two or three shots to be used in training, as once deadly force is needed, the training is to shoot to end the threat, not stop and see where the first shot went.
I have only seen two angles (without sound) and have no firm conclusions. If she floored the accelerator, though, that would be significant to the officer's perceived level of threat.
I worked in video. The over-riding lesson? Never trust anything rendered in video. And, I’m not talking about lying or telling the truth. The notion that these mediums, if properly analyzed, are always or (even often) probative is almost always false. And, yes, I mean that about video of “real life,” too.
Watching these videos a trained person will understand when he decided to shoot her and they can see the delay between that decision and the actual shots.
He decided to shoot her when the vehicle started moving forward towards him.
He was a fairly quick draw and fire. He obviously had range time.
If you watch bagoh20's video will see that his first shot was fired almost exactly at the same time the vehicle hit him. You could even say he might not have meant to shoot but being jostled by the vehicle caused the shot to go off.
But he had obviously practiced draw and fire and was in the middle of a trained reaction when he shot the woman.
If you are struck by a vehicle you are not pulling the trigger one time. Many people, even trained people, would have unloaded the entire mag under that type of stress. Stopping at 3 shots makes him a fairly cool cucumber.
A driver like this fleeing from law enforcement is highly likely to hit other people.
If that's his argument, it's a bad shoot.
If the protests get worse, Trump can tell the Chavista militias "hey, you're our allies now, right? We need you for a little job in Minnesota." Hey, it's a job Americans won't do! CC, JSM
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2009022233285685559
@Achilles.
You would not have shot her.
...with the politics added we've really lost the perspective on what we have and should empower law enforcement to do. The driver had already demonstrated a failure to follow orders, the officers were trying to detain her, she resisted and when she turned her vehicle towards the officer and started forward that's an imminent threat of death to the officer. He has no duty to retreat unlike for civilians in certain situations. He did what I'd expect an officer to do. Notice Ann's confusion over 'double tap' is again, an officer who no longer faced imminent threat and stopped firing. Had the threat persisted I would have expected the officer to empty his magazine or stop when the threat was ended. That's what I was trained to do...
FullMoon said...
"bagoh20 said...
“What you see depends on your politics.“
Not in my case. I don't know how a person of the right would think this was good for us."
Correct. Media going to play this story in the worse possible way. Guy should have let her. Over reacted. Not going to pretend I would have done any different. In fact, I don't have enough guts to be in ICE, or law enforcement at all.
Again. If you allow people to avoid arrest by driving off you are going to create infinite police chases.
This will result in many innocent people being struck and killed by fleeing drivers.
People are not being serious with this. You cannot allow people to just drive off when they are stopped by police. People will die.
He might have thought the car was going to run him over, because it could have, and I assume that will be his justification for shooting, but he was wrong about that. It may be legally justified, but only because of his mistaken assumption, which was reasonable at the time.
"The woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense," Trump said. "Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive, but is now recovering in the hospital."
Real uniter right?
I’m not making a call on the shooting but can we agree Trump is lying? Probably not.
FullMoon said...
@Achilles.
You would not have shot her.
And let her go run over someone's kid 2 blocks away as she drove in an irrational escape to evade arrest?
Fuck that I am not telling some parent I felt bad for this woman and let her start a police chase.
We had similar events out in the sandbox. As soon as the driver put their hands on the wheel they got shot by at least 5 people much less backing up or moving forward.
bagoh20 said...
He was never on the hood. Here it is close and in slow motion. She turned away from him, and he's left standing there unhurt.
He got hit by the car. Maybe she was trying to flee, but if you have a vehicle bearing down on you, shooting the driver is a reasonable, if tragic action.
And perhaps she was trying to flee, but why was she there? Why did she attempt to block ICE? She put herself into a volatile situation.
The left will agitate and the right will condemn her. But I think most people in the middle will see that she put herself in harms way, and most in the middle are deciding the left has gotten away with violence for too long. FAFO.
I can't tell from the vids. Did he fire into drivers window after he fired through windshield? If so, which shot hit her. Looks like windshield shot was pretty easy unless she ducked down. Probably a few more vids out there.
And, what was this woman up to prior to altercation?
How is shooting a driver supposed to prevent the vehicle from running you over if you are in imminent danger? It's not like the bullets can stop the momentum of the machine. Of course in this case the momentum of the machine continue to direct the vehicle away from the officer.
" You cannot allow people to just drive off when they are stopped by police. People will die."
They definitely will if you shoot them every time they do, and they will continue to try and drive away. Eventually the public will demand that driving away not be a capital offence allowing cops shoot aimlessly into the neighborhood.
I'd rather try avoiding that car than the bullets going past it.
Looks like if he was hit, it was after he fired into windshield. If this woman a minority, going to be much worse.
Achilles is in full desperation mode: "He killed her for the children." That's Bill Clinton 101. Just admit it dude, you are a bloodthirsty tyrant when your side is the police power in charge.
If it was up to Achilles, the snowball throwers would be shot on site no questions asked.
Because we already saw this movie with jazz hands walz and the other twit
wendybar said...
And I feel bad for our country that we have to go through this again. 2020 sucked.
As long as we tolerate democrats importing voters and giving them money they take from Americans we are going to go through this as long as it takes for Democrats to destabilize the country enough that general order breaks down and they can complete the Cloward-Piven strategy.
You can already see people here who are normally able to see 3 or 4 steps ahead feel bad for this woman.
I feel bad for this woman. She made poor decisions and she paid a steep price for those decisions.
But if you let this woman make poor decisions other people who did not make poor decisions are going to get hurt and killed instead of her.
In a free high trust society where I can let my kids go play outside without fear that some stupid woman is going to drive at police officers and start a police chase that woman gets shot.
"Why the second shot?"
"The Supreme Court ruled that police may only use deadly force if they have a reasonable belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious injury to themselves or others, as established in cases like Tennessee v. Garner and more recently in Barnes v. Felix, which emphasized evaluating the totality of circumstances rather than just the moment of threat. This means that the context leading up to the use of force must be considered in determining its reasonableness."
Howard said...
Achilles is in full desperation mode: "He killed her for the children." That's Bill Clinton 101. Just admit it dude, you are a bloodthirsty tyrant when your side is the police power in charge.
I will admit that you are OK with that woman driving off and killing someone in a police chase.
Stop trying to speculate what the officer thought. He didn't think. He reacted out of fear. His best excuse is temporary insanity under stress. Maybe you people will get lucky I will find out the driver was already dying from fentanyl overdose.
I doubt she ever saw the officer that fired the shots until the last split second. She had an officer outside her driver's side window yelling at her. The officer in front moved in from the opposite side just as she was accelerating. She seems to have thought she had the right to drive away from her confrontation and was probably shocked to see the officer in her path. That's my guess.
You argue like a girl, Achilles: all emotion and projection and supposition and wild interpolation
Your estrogen testosterone balance is out of whack again
I just told all of you, on both sides, that your assumptions and arguments about what you think you’ve seen on video are based on nothing at all except your conviction that you can make these determinations from video. In other words, this entire debate on this is effectively null and void except for the thrill of calling one another names.
FullMoon said...
" Looks like if he was hit, it was after he fired into windshield. If this woman a minority, going to be much worse. "
Reporting is she is white
My complaint of the left:
1. In a democracy, we steer the ship by talking, spending our dollars, and voting.
1.a. What is the purpose of a mass assembly of people around duly authorized police or agency workers, except coercion by intimidation - by threat of physical harm?
1.b. Your love of the struggle - the revolution - is misplaced in a democracy. Who are you struggling against? Your own fellow citizens? And if you say "yes", then you love the struggle, and you must also love, in your own way, the outcomes like this.
1.c. Anyway, the struggle you should be worried about is the struggle to control your own pride and self-righteousness.
2. You contribute to these situations by showing up as though you are manning the barricades. It's all adrenalin and thrill until someone gets shot.
3. When you denigrate and demean a lawful and duly authorized police agency as "the man" and "bad people", you create the very group of people you claim to not want. Calling ICE "storm troopers" can only have the effect over time of "storm trooper-ish" people being the only people that will take the job. Nobody else - the more reasonable and thoughtful people get tired of being called storm troopers and they drop out or won't take the job.
Trump backs the officers. This why the violent crime rate has dropped in the U.S.
The next Violent Leftist will be shot too. Elections have consequences.
I haven't seen the video but word is that the shooting of the woman protester was justified.
“Looks like if he was hit, it was after he fired into windshield.”
Yes FullMoon, that is what it looked like to me too.
Two Eyed at 450 makes most sense.
Their purpose is to destroy like the privileged commisar in nyc like karen bass in la
CivilWar2Land In Bad Decline?
Thank goodness Tim Walz has decided to devote all his prodigious energies to his job now.
Howard said...
You argue like a girl, Achilles: all emotion and projection and supposition and wild interpolation
So you think people should just be able to drive away from police?
Just curious. You are the person avoiding the argument I am making.
He also shot as the vehicle hit him. The vehicle hit him. You don't have any actual ground to stand on. You are the person arguing from emotion.
Video I saw at Ace of Spades looks like a single shot was fired.
Twitter uploader is: Michael the Texan
You can watch the wheels turn away from the cop before he shoots, and the only reason it touches him is because he's leaning in to shoot through the windshield, which he does from beside the car fender, but at the moment he shoots, it's impossible for the car to run him over or even do anything more than make slight contact. Still, that's probably not how it looked to him. He might reasonably assumed it was going to hit him. If she wanted to run him over, she would have, shot or not.
"The driver turned her wheel to avoid hitting anyone, if the ICE agent jumped in front of her car to get a better shot at her, he is a murderer."
Unfortunately, the world was not moving at 1/10th speed for the cop. Nor for the driver.
Whether it was a good decision is open for debate; not open for debate is that it was a very bad decision by the driver.
I’ll follow the 72 hr. rule.
Two-eyed Jack said...
I doubt she ever saw the officer that fired the shots until the last split second. She had an officer outside her driver's side window yelling at her. The officer in front moved in from the opposite side just as she was accelerating. She seems to have thought she had the right to drive away from her confrontation and was probably shocked to see the officer in her path. That's my guess.
I agree this is a possibility.
If that is true the point where she erred was deciding it was OK to start a vehicular police chase.
If you lose awareness of your surroundings and you start driving at a person with a gun while another officer is telling you to stop you are the problem, not the officers.
There is no sane country that allows people to start a vehicular police chase. Vehicular police chases have an insanely high rate of death and injury.
Innocent citizens don’t obstruct law enforcement, then try to flee from them, or try to run them over. We have coddled the insanity of adults too long.
My complaint of the right:
1. There is such a thing as mercy. Justice is great, but I never met anyone who wanted only justice all of the time. We all need a little mercy.
2. Why do you want to fight your own countrymen so much?
3. Donald Trump is good on a lot of things, but he isn't Christ or even a close resemblance, so stop acting like he is. As I said back in 2015/2016: I know Trump from having grown up with him in the NY Metro area. He's not a shining example of morality and rectitude. But I can live with him to an extent, on some of his points. Christ warned us against wolves in *sheep's* clothing, not wolves in *wolves* clothing. I guess He thought we could figure those guys out on our own.
4. Not a good thing that Biden let so many people in the country, but those who took us up on our invitation to come do have an estoppel argument of sorts, don't they? And you tout the greatness, economic might, and God-blessed exceptionalism of the U.S. so much, why would you ever blame *anyone* from wanting to be here under whatever circumstances they can muster?
4. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven." And the will of His Father in Heaven? Love our enemies and pray for them that despitefully use us. I'd like to see a little more of that from all us so-called Christians.
’The driver has an agent at her door telling her to get out of the vehicle. Instead of complying with law enforcement instruction…she turns her car towards another agent and hits the accelerator and that agent.’
It’s very clear. She took two deliberate actions with her vehicle instead of merely stopping. Bad choices; bad result.
"So, the right is already celebrating the murder of a woman who may have been a legal observer, getting shot in the head because she was in ICE’s way and they were pissed off. Is this what has happened to our Country under the Trump regime? Yes."
You have to hand it to Inga to have an unassailable handle on the true facts of what happened this quick!
Sooner or later these ICE agents will be in the same prison cells as MS13. It will be thug-on-thug and I cannot wait. Maybe we can livestream the mess hall fights. We can bet on the using our TrumpCoins. Fun times.
Mercy is killing the bad gal before she kills someone.
Driver, your drivel is the power fantasy of a paranoid invalid.
The stupid pills are being delivered liberally
bagoh20 said...
You can watch the wheels turn away from the cop before he shoots, and the only reason it touches him is because he's leaning in to shoot through the windshield, which he does from beside the car fender, but at the moment he shoots, it's impossible for the car to run him over or even do anything more than make slight contact. Still, that's probably not how it looked to him. He might reasonably assumed it was going to hit him. If she wanted to run him over, she would have, shot or not.
You make my point. You can see the point where he decided to shoot her if you know what you are looking at.
It is when the vehicle started moving forward and was pointed at him.
After he made that decision his hand pulled the weapon and he brought it up and he fired. In between the moment of the decision when he reached for his gun and the shots were fired he was hit by the vehicle.
He wasn't winning any quick draw competitions but he wasn't slow either.
This whole discussion is insane on so many levels.
"Turns out that people get freaked out when armed people in street clothes and no badge try to open car doors and pull people out."
That is painfully stupid and dishonest, Lefty Mark- the driver knew exactly who those officers were- it was the entire point of her being there- to hinder the arrests the ICE officers were attempting in the neighborhood- she wasn't confused at all when they told her to exit the vehicle because she was going to be put under arrest- instead of obeying she tried to run and, in running, almost ran another officer down. She fucked around and found out.
Can’t check your swing after the point of no return
Josephbleau said...
I’ll follow the 72 hr. rule.
In 72 hours the left will have burned down half the country.
Take a look at who ICE is hiring. These are lowlifes that couldn't get other jobs. Many are illiterate and/or have criminal records. They were unemployed this time last year. Most of these losers should be working at Wendy's.
Renee Nicole Good was the woman killed.
Good’s mother was baffled by the idea of her being involved in an ICE protest, however, saying she was “not part of anything like that at all.” (NY Post)
The parents are the last know.
...as in all these situations there will be investigation to determine if the officer acted within his duties and responsibilities. What we shouldn't do is invent rules on the fly to fit our desired outcome. That's the chaos the left supports but it isn't rule of law...
Yeah, cops have to make split-second decisions and all that. But, having watched the video several times, I'm not convinced she was trying to hit him. My evidence - the position of the front left tire. It's in a turning position, in the middle of a turn to the right, to go up the street. It's not pointed at him.
Stop trying to speculate what the officer thought. He didn't think. He reacted out of fear.
Stop trying to speculate he didn't think and reacted out of fear...
It only matters what she/the vehicle did before he started shooting. What happened after is irrelevant because he was working on the information he had at the time, not on future events.
My evidence - the position of the front left tire.
Could he see that from his vantage point? What could he have seen from where he was standing?
But at a higher level this was destined to happen, it was the outcome of a sequence of decisions affirmatively made. Governors and mayors supported opposition to federal law enforcement action. Mobs pressured federal law enforcement when they were conducting operations. So those events over time created a moment where tragedy occurred.
Humans are not perfect. Conflict creates stress that ruptures intention. It is known as a slow motion train wreck. This was inevitable and very sad. And, I may think, what some wanted.
I commented a while ago about a line in a movie “ This is out of control, this is out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.” It turns out that was the case. And politics will use it to excuse the complicity and fecklessness of our betters.
’…it's impossible for the car to run him over or even do anything more than make slight contact.’
I’d say that’s impossible to assess in the instant. And, again, all she had to do was stop her vehicle. She chose not to.
As the Supreme Court stated in Graham: The decision to use force "requires careful attention to the facts and circumstances of each particular case, including the severity of the crime at issue, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officer or others, and whether [the suspect] is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight." Id at 396.
...DOJ website 1-16.000
Newly release video clearly shows that she hit the agent with her car and he slid up her left fender as she accelerated. I'm sure it will look even worse from the perspective of his body cam when it is released. The bug-eyed lefties can complain and lie all they want, but they are 100% to blame for this mess.
- Krumhorn
Who goes out of his way to demonstrate his insanity?
DeeDee do.
Quayle said:
...
When you denigrate and demean a lawful and duly authorized police agency as "the man" and "bad people", you create the very group of people you claim to not want. Calling ICE "storm troopers" can only have the effect over time of "storm trooper-ish" people being the only people that will take the job. "
Constant negativity in Media, from politicians, from dangerous crowd, from doxxing, threats to family liable to turn nicest ICE into mildly paranoid and nervous agent. Time may tell if shooter a bully looking for trouble, or ordinary guy who f'd up in heat of moment.
Goldenpause: "Minnesota or Minneapolis authorities may try to prosecute the ICE agent for murder. Expect tussles over the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution and 28 U.S.C. § 1442"
Maybe. I think more like Noem will move all the agents involved to a red state, where no one will cooperate with any warrants Ellison issues. Kash Patel won't even let the warrant get put in NCIC.
If the Supremacy Clause is to mean anything, it can't mean "oh, lock up my guys, and then during court hours, we'll argue you shouldn't have done that." It has to mean "Your state-law blather is meaningless to me. GFY." CC, JSM
Why do you want to fight your own countrymen so much?
I dunno. Because they're already shooting us? And celebrating it?
WOW!!! The rowdy mob is throwing snowballs!!! Time to call in the US Military and the National Guard!! This is pure insurrection!!!
“You can watch the wheels turn away from the cop before he shoots, and the only reason it touches him is because he's leaning in to shoot through the windshield, which he does from beside the car fender, but at the moment he shoots, it's impossible for the car to run him over or even do anything more than make slight contact.” Bagoh
Exactly true. It is good to hear from people who have the capacity to see things not clouded by politics. Gives the comments sections here some fresh air.
"Krumhorn said...
Newly release video clearly shows that she hit the agent with her car and he slid up her left fender as she accelerated. I'm sure it will look even worse from the perspective of his body cam when it is released."
Bodycam should be released quick. Make a big difference if she was looking at him , or distracted and looking at agent at drivers side, as suggested above.
gspencer said...
Yeah, cops have to make split-second decisions and all that. But, having watched the video several times, I'm not convinced she was trying to hit him.
It doesn't matter if she was trying to hit him.
That is completely irrelevant to whether or not to shoot her.
"Take a look at who ICE is hiring. These are lowlifes that couldn't get other jobs. Many are illiterate and/or have criminal records. They were unemployed this time last year. Most of these losers should be working at Wendy's."
By all means, D.D. Driver, share with us this knowledge of newly hired ICE officers' biographies- you are claiming with that comment that you have this knowledge- I admit that I do not and wish to obtain such knowledge.
A huge difference with 2020 and any other R admin: this time around, Trump's ministers all reflexively take the side of their people. None of this "let the system play out" crap. Noem already gave a press conference backing up the ICE guys. That's a nice poison pill to insert into any possible future prosecution. I assume Bondi will do something similar. And of course Trump will further make it impossible to prosecute these guys. CC, JSM
The perspective that matters is from the agent in front of the car. Not the guy with the I-phone. Someone in front of the car can’t see the wheel turn or how far. This was a clean shoot. Only partisans would defend this women.
We are all looking at the footage and pretending it is the Zapruder film and that in our slow-motion frame-by-frame wisdom WE can determine the occupants of the grassy knoll and all the relevant trajectories.
The driver had the Ultimate Stop Button in all of this.
I repeat:
The driver had the Ultimate Stop Button in all of this.
Officers say stop, and she stops: done.
DONE.
She refuses to stop: in a manner of split-seconds EVERYTHING for EVERYONE kicks in: fear, training, chaos.
If you're gonna chum the water you better expect the sharks.
FullMoon said...
Bodycam should be released quick. Make a big difference if she was looking at him , or distracted and looking at agent at drivers side, as suggested above.
Why would that matter?
It would make it worse if if she wasn't looking where she was going. That would make her more of a danger.
The officer is signed up to protect society and enforce the law. The danger to other people should be more important than the danger to himself.
"None of the agents involved in Minneapolis ICE shooting were wearing bodycams: sources"
Fox
Rehajm,
> He has no duty to retreat
> unlike for civilians in certain situations.
Could you elaborate? I am certainly not familiar with all 50 state's laws, but lots of places either have passed explicit stand your ground legislation, or like Washington State have case law with pretty much the same result.
@Achilles;
You would not have shot her. The guy f'd up.
Monday Morning Quartebacks
Slomo Video : The car started forward before the ICE agent shot at anybody. That is clear in this slomo.
What she intended to do with the vehicle is completely irrelevant- all that matters is what the officer thought she was doing- he was in front of her car the moment she hit the accelerator in drive- all of the videos show this and at that instant he started to draw his weapon- the rest is just reflex. Now, had the officer the ability to study the videos of her trying to drive away and slip by him by turning right, he might have chosen a different action but to try to argue he should have known she wasn't trying to run him over is pretty ridiculous.
I don't know what procedure is for getting someone out of a vehicle in this situation is- do you try to box them in with bodies so they can't drive away? I know I wouldn't have been in front of or behind her given her obvious lunacy but that is me not him.
Kolchak James said...
We are all looking at the footage and pretending it is the Zapruder film and that in our slow-motion frame-by-frame wisdom WE can determine the occupants of the grassy knoll and all the relevant trajectories.
The driver had the Ultimate Stop Button in all of this.
I repeat:
The driver had the Ultimate Stop Button in all of this.
Officers say stop, and she stops: done.
DONE.
She refuses to stop: in a manner of split-seconds EVERYTHING for EVERYONE kicks in: fear, training, chaos.
If you're gonna chum the water you better expect the sharks.
This has to be repeated over and over and over it seems.
If we are going to have a free high trust society both the police and the people need to be able to trust each other.
I do not want police wondering if I am going to take off every time they try to stop me because some bitch took off in Minnesota.
I want the police to have every expectation that I am going to be calm, polite, and forthright when they talk to me.
I don't want them yelling at me through a bullhorn to get out of my car and put my face in the dirt every time they stop me because some twat can't keep herself under control.
I don't want police wondering if I am a democrat that wants them to be killed.
Oh cripes, if she wasn't trying to run over the cop, it sure looked that way at the instant he decided to pull the trigger.
lonejustice said...
WOW!!! The rowdy mob is throwing snowballs!!! Time to call in the US Military and the National Guard!! This is pure insurrection!!!
Dumbasses like you called it an insurrection when the mob was walking between the velvet ropes.
And to make matters even more disgusting, when a doctor who identified himself as a physician approaches the car to give assistance to the victim, he’s told by ICE, “No, backup! I don’t care” and is stopped from giving aid.
Maybe NHL greats can make microsecond decisions correctly with that many moving parts, there there is a 200 millisecond window between the light hitting your eyes, and your comprehension of it. This is how magicians make their living, so when you are looking at a video, you are advancing frame by frame, you have to know that no human being can perceive this stuff frame by frame and instantaneously process this in their brain. It's physics. Your brain is a biological mechanism, and it takes a certain amount of time to do the layers of processing involved.
And, again, all she had to do was stop her vehicle.
Vehicle was stopped when driver was told to exit the vehicle. It is only after that command is the vehicle shifted into a gear (reverse first, then drive). The action to take was open the door.
they saw the murder of ashlee babbit by black neidermeyer, and said it was fine,
All I can say is, that given the last month, Minneapolis seems like a giant shit hole.
And if somebody identifies himself, I guess that proves his identity in a fraught situation like this.
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