I watched this performance live yesterday, and I believe I said out loud, "He's choosing to resonate with racists."
December 3, 2025
"President Trump unleashed a xenophobic tirade against Somali immigrants... calling them 'garbage' he does not want in the United States..."
"... in an outburst that captured the raw nativism that has animated his approach to immigration.... 'These are people that do nothing but complain,' Mr. Trump said at the tail end of a cabinet meeting at the White House.... 'When they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don’t want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it,' Mr. Trump added as Vice President JD Vance banged the table in encouragement. He said Somalia 'stinks and we don’t want them in our country.' He described Representative Ilhan Omar... as 'garbage.'... 'She’s garbage. Her friends are garbage....'... Mr. Trump has used this kind of rhetoric throughout his rise in politics, including in his first term as president, when he demanded to know why the United States would accept immigrants from Haiti and African nations, which he described as 'shithole countries'...."
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I don’t want people in this country who don’t want to assimilate or follow our laws. I really don’t want other countries dumping their criminals in our country either. But yeah, calling them generically garbage isn’t going to rally support. Better to be more specific as to what is garbage, such as the criminals dumbed here by other countries.
The Somali community, as described in various news stories over the past few years, is not assimilating into the American culture. Their primary allegiance is to Somalia. Trump is complaining about their behavior, not their race. It’s not xenophobic in this case.
So is he wrong about it being a shit hole country? And are racists always wrong about everything? Or is the real problem a set of unrealistic beliefs that liberals hold religiously against the evidence?
All cultures are not equally good. As an American, I like our traditional Western culture, the one that made this country powerful and wealthy, with a history of liberty that allows anyone to succeed if they are willing to work hard enough. Our Judeo-Christian values, combined with the political legacy from English common law, made our country great.
When any person or group wishes to immigrate to our country, the first question we should ask is "What do you bring to the table? How will you make our nation a better place?" If their cultural values are inimical to ours, as most Muslims' cultural values are, then they are not going to be a net benefit and should not be allowed to come here. I don't care what race they are; there are plenty of white Muslims from places like the old Soviet republics that I wouldn't want in our country any more than Somalis or Afghans. It's not what they are, it is what they believe and how that makes them behave.
And if you are just coming here to sponge off the American taxpayers and get as much freebies and fraud as you can get, as the Somalis in Minnesota did, then you don't belong here. Period.
In his first term I believe he said "instead of Norway or Asia." His enemies avoided quoting the Asia part.
Any criticism of non-whites is going to 'resonate with racists'. It's about as logical as claiming that since Hitler was a vegetarian, promoting vegetarianism is the same as promoting Nazism. And it will be made regardless of the language being used.
Isn’t this attitude toward people of third world countries one of the reasons people on the right voted for Trump?
Who really thinks ethnically separate communities that perpetuate the pathologies of their home countries without assimilation is going to result in harmonious cohabitation with the American people who don’t want to live with Third World problems allowed to fester, often ENCOURAGED to fester, by slimy progressives like Tampon Tim and Keith X Ellison?
Put another way what BENEFIT to us comes from allowing lawlessness and violence to reign? Why exactly did Omar have a tribal enforcer to punish any immigrant who spoke against her? Is that the future of our political process?
Don’t just react to the president. Explain why he is wrong.
Be thoughtful about what racist means. There's malevolent and non-malevolent. For instance you might think that US blacks have an average IQ of 86, which affects success statistics and affects how rare blacks are in super-smart jobs, just by mathematics. That ought affect public policy into one that works instead of one that fosters resentment.
That's non-malevolent. The non-malevolent version is something you can talk about. Remember speech?
Somalia has an average IQ of 67. They do well with each other but become resentful in smarter cultures. Great, let's import resentful people here.
Inga said...
Isn’t this attitude toward people of third world countries one of the reasons people on the right voted for Trump?
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No.
It's the attitude towards people of first world countries. Like you.
Democrats see racism in just about everything. Always have, always will. Racism is their manna, it nourishes their political narrative. When Democrats cannot find racism then they create racism; systemic racism, structural racism, environmental racism, the list is endless. Trump speaks to culture not race.
I don't know if Bayes's theorem can be talked about yet, but it says that if all you know about a person is that he's Somali, you know a lot of other things are likely too.
It's why black people can't get a taxi too. Too risky. Just math.
Is there any level of fraud or abuse that the Somalis can engage in which can justify one forming a negative opinion of them? Why is it only possible to form negative opinions of white people who have negative opinions of Somalis.....Are the people of Rotherham, for example, entitled to form a negative opinion of the the people who committed all those crimes against their children.
We can't just leave Somalia alone because their country lies on strategically critical land and when we get involved in their local fights, local politics, refugee flows begin. See Syria, Libya.
Democrat's racism speaks to why Democrats continuously turn a blind eye to the perpetrators of fraud and corruption.
"Isn’t this attitude toward people of third world countries one of the reasons people on the right voted for Trump?"
My point in the post is that HE acts as though HE thinks it is.
"Any criticism of non-whites is going to 'resonate with racists'."
Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.
"He's choosing to resonate with racists."
He’s choosing to tell the truth without fear of being called a racist.
The racists are the people without rebuttal who reflexively play the race card hoping he’ll back down. They’re the people who have been keeping people from talking about what’s happening in these communities.
One way of assisting assimilation is by disapproving of outre behavior. We disapproved of German immigrants who joined the Bund, Italian immigrants who were anarchists or fascists, Jewish immigrants who were communists, and Irish immigrants who burned down orphanages. What makes the Somalis above criticism?
I have a higher threshold and would say that Harvard and U of Minnesota are objectively racist for their “Abolish Whiteness” course curricula whereas saying we don’t need or want the dregs of other countries here is not objectively racist. Even if you call out Somalis or Afghans by COO it’s not racism to notice how shitty those places are and how lawless they are and that THOSE CONDITIONS create lousy neighborhoods unless we can help immigrants assimilate.
Good for them and for us if they can acquire new First World type habits like gainful employment and non-corrupt government, right?
"Is there any level of fraud or abuse that the Somalis can engage in which can justify one forming a negative opinion of them?"
There's always going to be a problem with saying the GROUP is bad. He said the GROUP is GARBAGE. That's insanely out of line with norms for talking about the varying percentages of bad behavior within different groups.
Clearly, he wanted to condemn the whole group, and he went on to hurt the whole group (re immigration).
Locking up more black criminals might enable blacks to get a taxi. Bayes's theorem.
“My point in the post is that HE acts as though HE thinks it is.”
Indeed he does. I don’t doubt that he is confident that’s one of the reasons he won two presidential elections.
Lock up Somali criminals and Somalis might be able to get a taxi. Until then they're a risky population.
America first is inherently anti-racist. If you’re here legally and you adopt American values, Trump doesn’t have a problem with you. Those who aren’t or don’t can no longer hide behind their skin color or the shit-holeness of their country of origin.
Scott Adams says he believes that group statistics don't tell you anything about the individual. Which shows he doesn't know math. It's called priors. If you know the individual too, then you know more. Until then the odds are against him.
Sorry, the race card is now trumped. It cannot be played with power any more.
"Democrats continuously turn a blind eye to the perpetrators of fraud and corruption."
Not turn a blind eye, they encourage it. We have seen it from our own troll commenters. They think that it's only economic justice to loot the Medicaid program because "billionaires" and "late stage capitalism" and reasons.
The great thing about importing only excellent Somalis is that you deprive Somalia of the little talent that it has.
"Scott Adams says he believes that group statistics don't tell you anything about the individual."
That's like saying that a players batting average doesn't tell you what is going to happen when you put him in to pinch hit. No, the manager can't see the future, but he can only manage the game with statistics. Since humans can't see the future, statistics are all we have.
The race card ought to be trumped because it doesn't distinguish malevolent from non-malevolent racism. One is bad and one is good.
"He said Somalia “stinks and we don’t want them in our country.” He described Representative Ilhan Omar, Democrat of Minnesota, who came to the United States from Somalia as a refugee and became a citizen 25 years ago, as “garbage.”
Anybody got the in context quote this was clipped from? You will forgive me if history has taught me not to trust the NYT to honestly report Trump's words with honest context.
The notions of racism and xenophobia are a dressed up and ideologically-driven restatement of a universal biological reality: "birds of a feather flock together."
Most animals, other than stealty predators and parasites, tend to group with their own kind. This follows from similar biology, similar sensory systems, safety and defense, and functional/quick reproduction. Humans dress these primal animalistic needs with intentionality, planning, and (sometimes) unrealistic and self-destructive ideologies.
Human history has been filled with economic migrations, invasions, thefts, freeloading, and gentrification. Many analyses of in-group vs. out-group threats are completely valid. Good or bad, only the survivors lived to write their histories of killing invaders and sacrifing enemies to their gods. Apparently, the natural human condition is to be xenophobic bigoted.
For the high-minded left and woke and Democratic Party defenders, I merely ask that you move from your effete and refined cities filled with cafes and coffee shops to the violent race ghettos next door. Visit that black neighborhood with fast food restaurants and gas station mini marts (i.e., food deserts instead of your upscale cafes.) Drop into a Somali or Ethiopian cafe -- and especially -- hang out with similarly tribal, isolated white folks out in the countryside. There's no difference in self-selected flocking behavior across races and ethnicities.
Lefties won't do it though. They too are flocking inside an idealized "multicultural tolerance" religous sect. They say terrible things without realizing they are terrible (i.e., "redneck", "white supremicist," etc.), and have no way to spot their own xenophobia when living inside an ideological bubble.
The most bigoted place I ever saw was a hard left university campus in California. Nothing else in my life ever came close. All the lefty "redneck refugees" went there because they hated their agricultural small-town families with a passion.
”Any criticism of non-whites is going to 'resonate with racists'."
Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.
Because racists also like low taxes, so where does it end?
The Democrats have been playing the “David Duke agrees with you” game for far too long and the RINOs let them get away with it.
The Left has been worried Trump might run for a third term. What they really need to consider is what Trump may say or do if he never has to worry about another election.
Granted, Trump, at times, uses language that appeals to racists. Is that so much worse than using language (and actions) that appeal to Somali fraudsters and to the voting bloc that favors large scale immigration, legal or otherwise.
Why isn't "Somalia" included in the quote, for example? Did he qualify his statement more carefully, the NYT, in search of a lurid headline, just clipped it out, the way the BBC spliced two Trump statements together to get an outrageous call for violent insurrection on J6 that was never there?
"Scott Adams says he believes that group statistics don't tell you anything about the individual."
He's speaking in terms of morality, not analyzing risk. He's being a philosopher, not an actuary.
Jaq: “ We can't just leave Somalia alone because their country lies on strategically critical land and when we get involved in their local fights, local politics, refugee flows begin.”
One good thing about robots and AI will be that if we need a country, we won’t need its people. CC, JSM
It does tell you something. It's called information and it can be easily measured. The priors tell you what you know.
Another view is that Trump was choosing to resonate with (get a rise out of) those who see racism in every they disagree with.
It is inevitable that people will judge groups based on some kind of weighted average of the behavior of the people in the group. The only solution is to avoid having groups altogether.
The problem in mass immigration is the MASS. Having a single Somali or Italian or German family move into a neighborhood is a recipe for people coming to know each other and getting along. Having 100 families move in is a recipe for--almost a guarantee of--conflict.
All the large-scale conflicts over immigration in U.S. history occur because too many people coming from the same place show up all at once and cluster together in one place (which is kind of ironic, since the reason they were immigrating was to get away from the crappy place they came from--and yes, it was crappy: if it wasn't crappy, they would have stayed there).
The obvious solution is to block all mass-migration--which also lets you see if each individual is coming out of a genuine desire to join the American community or is just scarfing up as many resources as possible.
Well as a group the Minneapolis Somali community is a problem because contrary to federal law they came to be wards of the state, do not support their families and don’t obey our laws. Other than that there is little to criticize them for.
By contrast Caribbean immigrants of similar hue are as a group phenomenally successful at assimilation and retaining their culture within America. So the observer who assumes blackness as the source of Trump’s criticism is the racist
Again “End Whiteness” is objectively racist by any rational measure. Tim’s criminals are objectively garbage citizens who are ruining the Twin Cities. Sad that the minority segment of law-abiding Somalis get lumped in with the other 95% but life ain’t fair.
The Somali community, if it is not at all like what is depicted on social media, has a huge PR problem. It’s up to them to change the perception that is out there.
Perhaps we have entered a new paradigm in response to being treated the way the Somalis have treated the Minnesotans.
The key is gratitude. Any group that does not respond to kindness and human compassion with gratitude is not welcome. Make it very clear to the entire culture, and this is something that the culture will be required to grasp as an entity no matter the level of measured intelligence, that kindness must receive these responses, or kindness will end, and your group will have to leave. They will not necessarily be processed as individuals, and some group will be used as an example to the nation and the world. Don't be that group.
It's not pretty. It IS effective. Your aesthetic senses as a kind human are going to get wadded up like cheap underwear on a hot day. The portion of the nation that is already prone to support this action will respond with a "fuck yeah!" that will be condemned as the echo of our racist evil past by the clerisy of kindness and civilization.
It didn't have to be this way, but that may be the way we're going with this. Will the targeted group or groups respond with words, or violence, or both? We will see.
Get ready. It is the price of winning. Daddy's home and the party is over. America's patience is exhausted with this. The press and the Democratic party did all they could to keep this whole thing secret, and would do so to the end of time if they could. They have failed in this whole thing from beginning to end. I wish it could have been different.
Racism Bullshit is just a subset of Civility Bullshit and only employed by those who cannot deal with the facts causing the problem under discussion. Corruption is the subject. Not the color of the perps. Tim is after all as white as a tampon.
I also like the mind reading of Vance. It's like the reporter is treating the scene the way an author would if writing a fictional scene from the omniscient point of view, which is a tell in itself.
It was meant as a distraction from the Hegseth stuff and it seems successful.
The guy got elected by people who resonated with 'they're eating the cats and dogs' and pretty much coined the term sh%%hole countries.
I think he is right what works as red meat for his staunchest defenders.
have any of You ever personally KNOWN any Somalis?
have ANY of them been decent people?
I've personally only known ONE (an engineering student at Ames)
he was Garbage in more ways than one, wish i've NEVER been friends with him
It’s not racist to comment on the observed character of Somalias. They have a culture of corruption and they brought it to Minnesota and stole billions.
Certainly not every Somalia is a crook; just like not every Italian is a mobster.
Omar - a known fraudster - said that Somalias were fundamental to Minnesota. Tell that to the Swedes and Norwegians that built that state.
Thankfully he didn’t call them Nazis.
Althouse, “ Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.”
Because that’s not who Trump is. He rarely speaks with precision. And he’s not a lawyer. He’s also not eligible for re-election. He doesn’t give a fuck what the Left thinks. They tried to jail, bankrupt and kill him.
Vance is the better speaker.
BTW, racism worked for Obama.
After being called racist for noticing Obama was thin, we conservatives no longer can participate in your Racism Bullshit. One can’t have civil discourse with opponents who will literally seize on ANYTHING to cry racism. “OK” sign? Racist! You work out? White Supremist!
Fuck the Left and their language police media lackeys.
Why should he be subtle about Somalis? And their home is not a third world country; it’s fourth world - and they add nothing of value to the United States.
How can it be racist (other than the New York times throwing in buzzwords) ? Omar is a corrupt piece of garbage because she is a a pro-violence, antisemitic conspiracy theory leftist looney. Haiti, in terms of solvency and infrastructure, IS a shithole. Somalia has promoted one of the most gender oppressive forms of islamofascism and is one of the world's foremost perpetrators of islamist female genital mutilation. Again, what racial element is there in that? May I ask?
If anything, the New York Slimes and Somalists are sexist.
I was years old when Inga's fellow paid Arabella goons in the violent thug crime org Jane's Revenge were committing arson in Madison because ::checks notes:: ummm...Trump's war on women?
Now the leftists are mad that he's cracking down on a nation that has one of the worst human rights records against women?
#leftistlogic
“The Trump administration is launching an intensive immigration enforcement operation primarily targeting hundreds of undocumented Somali immigrants in the Minneapolis-St. Paul region.
In recent days, the president has moved to end temporary legal protections for Somalis. Many of them have had the protections for decades under a program for migrants from countries in crisis.
Nationally, about 73 percent of Somali immigrants are naturalized U.S. citizens, according to the Census Bureau.”
NYT
95% of Somalis living in Minnesota are US citizens. Additionally 50% of Somalis have been born in the US. So who will ICE be targeting?
He doesn’t give a fuck when you progressives pounce on a fragment and cry racism. It’s not an effective strategy against him. He is objectively less racist than the Democrat presidents who preceded him. Only a fool would think he embraces racism.
When people start screaming "racism", it is patently obvious that they have no argument, so they rely on White guilt/fear of being called racist.
It is a pitiful mechanism so old that I don't get angry. It only bores me these days.
Its the Times they enabled the looting of minneapolis what do you expect them to say
’…just like not every Italian is a mobster.’
At least we of Italian descent have made incredible contributions to this country and, even more importantly, to civilization itself. Somalia is garbage.
Are we seeing a familiar pattern here?
Nazis toward Jews and Roma
Start: “They’re criminals and subversive.”
Then: “They’re biologically inferior, unclean, disease-carrying.”
U.S. toward Chinese immigrants (1800s)
Start: “They’re criminals and gangsters.”
Then: “They have low IQ, smell bad, and bring filth.”
Hutu propaganda toward Tutsis (Rwanda)
Start: “They’re rebels, threats.”
Then: “They’re cockroaches.”
Jim Crow-era rhetoric toward African Americans
Start: “Crime and danger.”
Then: “Innately inferior, unsanitary, smell bad.”
Maybe not identical situations but they do show a recurring pattern: Begin with behavior-based accusations, then shift to claims of inherent inferiority.
And now look at this thread.
When a political leader makes an openly bigoted statement, supporters tend to move through a predictable sequence:
Deny racism – “It’s not racist, it’s about culture.”
Reverse the accusation – “Democrats are the real racists.”
Essentialize the target group – “Somalis are criminals,” “low IQ,” “they smell bad,” etc.
Normalize the rhetoric – “He’s just telling the truth.”
Attack the critic – framing Althouse as naïve, manipulative, or unserious.
Recast the leader as courageous – “He’s finally saying what others are afraid to say.”
This thread runs through those stages almost in order.
The historical parallels don’t mean these situations are the same — but they do show how fast group-based criticisms drift from specific behavior into sweeping judgments about entire populations. I just find it striking how reliably the surrounding commentary falls into the same well-documented pattern.
I’m with Mike on this. The cry racism is no longer a legitimate criticism. Instead it has become a petty quick shot of salve for cancel culture hobbyists and a political strategy inconsistent with progress or humanity.
The exercise here should be to recognize there are cultural differences inconsistent with western ideals then stop and instead focus on the part the left doesn’t want you to see- they have been building avenues to funnel trillions of US Treasury dollars with a T into a hodgepodge of evil entities hell bent on destroying the constructive elements of our society…
It may be that Wisconsin needs a Taste of Somalia to gain more of an appreciation for the culture and the people.
…and let us free up part of your day- you don’t need to remind us you don’t like Trump. We get it…
“An estimated 260,000 people of Somalian descent were living in the U.S. in 2024, according to the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey. The largest population is in the Minneapolis area, home to about 84,000 residents, most of whom are American citizens. Ohio, Washington and California also have significant populations.”
https://apnews.com/article/minneapolis-st-paul-somalia-immigration-4c7468b0bdc6e23b510d4755c55b9294
Somalia is homogenous but their citizens did not come here to assimilate. Trump wants makers, not takers, in this country and on that point he speaks for a majority.
In Spike Lee’s “Inside Man” the bank robbers send out to the police a bank employee. He’s wearing a turban and the cops take it off.
He complains. “I’m a Sikh: not a Muslim. It’s part of my religion.” He complains some more.
Denzel Washington, “But I bet you can get a cab.”
Sikh, “It’s one of the perks.”
The money was going to al shabaab the terrorist group that is besieging somalia
‘Jim Crow-era rhetoric toward African Americans
Start: “Crime and danger.”
Then: “Innately inferior, unsanitary, smell bad.” ‘
If it wasn’t the KKK the Democrat geniuses were unleashing on America, it was Jim Crow.
Raymond is just not bringing his a gam3
The problem is the vast majority of them are citizens. So what’s the plan Donald?
@Ronald J. Ward: I just find it striking how reliably the surrounding commentary falls into the same well-documented pattern.
For some reason you find it striking that humans-as-animals remain humans-as-animals? We share 98.8% of our DNA with chimps. Still, there's a ~50,000 year evolutionary gap between Eurasians and sub-Saharan Africans (e.g., see the northern Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA injections). As such, many may easily pick up on and amplify genuine differences.
"I'm shocked, shocked that gambling happens in a casino."
Trump is crass, as usual. But he's also right, as usual.
Immigration has been a disaster for the western world over the last 10 years and the Somalis are among the worst for their host countries.
Somalia per capita GDP is $1,920. I’ve made more than that this week and it’s only Wednesday morning…. But, racism. lol
They have a culture of corruption and they brought it to Minnesota and stole billions.
Yah, Chuck claimed it was conspiracy and wanted to wait until government told him money was being stolen. Well they have…
..do not be consoled by considering this as a one off scenario. Illinois state leaders found a similar scheme. Now it is a pattern. Given the magnitude of the budget largely unaccounted for its safe to assume these are tip of the iceberg
jim5301 said...The problem is the vast majority of them are citizens. So what’s the plan Donald?
What's the plan? Same as always--you arrest the citizen criminals and deport the non-citizen criminals. It's not rocket science.
Let’s go to Donnie from Queens on line 3.
The qat business just doesnt pay the bills
When American Somalians have as their esteemed leader a known fraudster, it’s hard not pin a label on the entire clan.
Waiting for a conservative Somalian to step. *cough*
The daughter of a political officer who persecuted somali citizens
Those seem like pretty straightforward, factual statements by Trump.
’The qat business just doesnt pay the bills’
Thread winner.
Honey Badger Don't Care.
“ Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.”
As Scott Adams says every day: Trump is a genius at persuasion.
skinny somalis
it’s banditry in motion
and they hump brothers
One could make the argument that more damage has been done and is being done to this country by those who falsely claim that all cultures are equal than by those who make insensitive comments about the unequal cultures.
The problem is the vast majority of them are citizens. So what’s the plan Donald?
But are they? Are they really American citizens or do they have "permanent" status as green card holders? There's a big difference as we just found out with the "citizen" stripped of his "permanent" status and deported last week. Because he committed crimes. Like a large portion of the 80,000 MN Somalis have done in becoming "wards of the state" and/or committing other crimes like marrying a brother to game the system.
Enigma, @ 7:14, you’re making my point for me.
I wasn’t “struck” that humans fall into predictable tribal patterns. I was pointing out that this thread, step-by-step, is following the exact escalation pattern used historically to strip groups of their humanity.
What is striking to me is how fast the conversation jumped from politics to group blame to biological determinism.
That slide is not “humans being animals.” It’s a documented rhetorical progression used in every major episode of mass dehumanization.
And your comment illustrates the pattern perfectly:
Invoke biology as destiny (“50,000-year evolutionary gap”).
Suggest innate inferiority via pseudo-genetic claims (“Neanderthal and Denisovan injections”).
Frame prejudice as realism (“many may easily pick up on genuine differences”).
Normalize the rhetoric with a shrug (“I’m shocked there’s gambling in a casino”).
That’s exactly why the historical parallels matter—not because today equals yesterday, but because the structure of the argument is almost identical.
Once the conversation shifts from “Here’s a political issue”
to “This group is inherently X, Y, Z because of biology”, we’re in territory that’s been catastrophic every time it’s shown up.
That’s the pattern I’m highlighting—not surprise, just recognition.
Even Jesse Jackson admitted he'd be more nervous walking in a dark alley encountering a black person than a white person.
Just two days ago,, Ronald J. Ward - Genius was justifying the looting of the Medicaid program by a members of the Somali immigrant community, and now he is certain that calling out the looters is all part of a nefarious plan for a Nazi takeover of the US.
It's more projection from our resident dim-bulb. Apologies to Inga.
Anybody hear Kristi Noem's answer to Trump yesterday? “You told me to look into Minnesota and their fraud on visas and their programs. 50% of them are fraudulent.”
Bad visas = back to Somalia. Jimnumbers never actually thinks through his dumb questions. It's like every day is brand new and he hasn't learned nothing yet.
Let’s all take a moment to honor Ronnie’s virtue signaling!!
Lots of words. No actual substance. Try harder Ron, not cry harder. And fuck off with your Racism Civility Bullshit. Your card is maxxed out.
We took out an al queda (islamic state,) chief in puntland at the beginning of the year
To become a naturalized US citizen, you have to pledge allegiance to the US. If you aren't following through on that pledge, then you’re a liar and a fraud.
Walter Kirn recently said that our language has devolved from direct to euphemistic to “happy talk” and that the antidote is straight up bluntness.
Our culture has similarly devolved. Grifts by some Somalis have been documented for years. They were ignored and thus grew to an astounding size-the theft of over a billion dollars from Minnesota. The overreaction is a necessary step in the course correction.
Trump can be viewed as such an overreaction to the estrangement between a growing middle/underclass and an elite indifferent to their plight.
The press seems content to ignore the real story of every discovery only to harp on what Trump said about it. Trump should start mocking them on that.
1) They are shithole countries. Why would we import them here in numbers enough to change the dynamics of the largest and most important city in a state?
2) People from such countries have a way of life they had to live in those countries. Not their choice. It's what they know, what they grew up with, and what they had to do to survive. But you don't just plop them here and expect they'll become like your next door neighbor. Especially if they are grouped together in sections of town. The same power brokers will rise up to take charge and run things like they did at home- only this time with the backing of the local and Federal government, and millions of dollars to keep them happy. We are literally financially and officially sponsoring a black market, a criminal enterprise. Not the first time we've done that, and it won't be the last. But it's still not right and it pisses me off.
3) Ilhan Omar IS garbage. I just would expect our President to not state it as such. But...this is Trump. It is who he is and has always been. And I'm tired of people continuing to act as if they're shocked by it. I don't like how he talks about others, so I tend to not listen to him speak at all. But I love what he gets done. And on this, he's right. I don't care how he says it. He's right.
Why do we continue to make excuses for people who have no regard for our country, our culture, our own history, our way of doing things? These are people who hold an obvious disdain for us. Why sponsor that?
Jaq said...
“Just two days ago,, Ronald J. Ward - Genius was justifying the looting of the Medicaid program by a members of the Somali immigrant community,“
Quote please.
The slave-owner didn't deny the humanity of his slaves. He just didn't want slaves to see his own humanity.
’Why do we continue to make excuses for people who have no regard for our country, our culture, our own history, our way of doing things? These are people who hold an obvious disdain for us. Why sponsor that?’
Spot on.
Althouse said...He said the GROUP is GARBAGE.
Did he though? Or did he just refer to Ilhan Omar and her retinue as garbage?
I didn't see the cabinet meeting or read the whole NYT article, just the post above.
But either way, look what Somalis have gotten away with in Minnesota in cahoots with Democrats. Billions of dollars of fraud. The reason they have is because people are afraid of being labeled racist and having their careers and lives destroyed if they say anything. That's the game. And it's not just Somalis in Minnesota. That's the tip of an iceberg. It's what this whole immigration machine was built to do. It's a form of extortion.
Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.
Maybe Trump wanted to be seen as unafraid of being labeled racist for calling out this outrageous criminal enterprise.
Who is doing more to make people anti-Somali, Trump with his harsh rhetoric or the Dem/Somali crime machine?
@Ronald J. Ward -- Those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it. History does not repeat but it rhymes.
You are not at all knowledgeable about post-DNA-testing genetic research. It does not replicate the old racist and eugenics stuff at all. It takes an entirely different course.
You are the one who suggested innate inferiority of Africans -- I merely mentioned that modern DNA research found quite a few genetic differences. DIFFERENCES are not INFERIORITY. The old monkey-to-African-to-European racist charts were proven to be wildly wrong by the northern DNA inejections. Another recent finding is that western Africans appear to have interbred with an archaic human ghost population dating back hundreds of thousands of years. Think HYBRIDS with local adaptations and periodic recombinations. There is no evolutionary "up" and no "down" -- just meaningful and perhaps recognizable differences as genetics drifts over time.
In this and other threads you ~~routinely~~ pontificate by pitting dated concepts/paper tigers against your ideals. Please catch up on the race-unrelated DNA research of the last few decades, as almost entirely conducted by lefties in blue city universities.
Somalia was screwed since siad barre took over in 1969, then he fell in 91 and the warlords grabbed for the scraps
It was meant as a distraction from the Hegseth stuff and it seems successful.
So "Epstein" is officially over, then?
Now the same people that ruined somalia are in charge in minneapolis
I watched this performance live yesterday, and I believe I said out loud, "He's choosing to resonate with racists."
I think Ann would become racist really fucking fast if she was put in Somalia. Ann gets to have her little flounce time because men she calls racist protect her.
“These are people that do nothing but complain,” Mr. Trump said at the tail end of a cabinet meeting at the White House, during which he sometimes appeared to be fighting sleep. But when the subject turned to immigration, Mr. Trump made a point of lashing out.
“When they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don’t want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it,”
“We could go one way or the other, and we’re going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country,” Mr. Trump said. “She’s garbage. Her friends are garbage. These aren’t people who work. These aren’t people who say, ‘Let’s go, come on, let’s make this place great.’”
If telling the truth makes you a racist so be it.
Looks like Ann wants the United States to be taken over by barbarians to me since she hates the people that protect her coddled life.
It took longer for yemen to fall apart under the crocodile saleh but it has with various warlords scrapping over the ruin
My only direct experience with Somalia was during a Navy port visit in 1983. The ship had been operating in the North Arabian Sea for 90 days without a port visit when we finally pulled into Mogadishu, Somalia for liberty call and anchored out. The first liberty party was very excited to be going ashore for the first time in several months, but most returned on the second boat's arrival after realizing the best liberty on the horn of Africa was probably on the ship. By early afternoon, not a single sailor was still ashore. The next morning we left because the ship's evaporators couldn't even make good water in the grossly polluted harbor. I suppose one could say it was a shithole country even back then.
I don't always like Trump's unprofessional manner of speaking - but I don't think he is a racist.
When so many Somalis participated in such massive fraud - it might be time to leave our nation.
Ann Althouse said...
"Any criticism of non-whites is going to 'resonate with racists'."
Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.
Maybe Trump has noticed that most of the country is tired of stupid women showing fake empathy.
Here is Ann whining that Trump is saying mean things about Somalis from the safety of her nice house that is nowhere near any Somali people.
Move to Somalia for a year then you can whine about people saying mean things about them.
Trump has noticed that White Men are tired of people like Ann who take what WE have built for granted and just sit there and bitch and moan.
If we are racists Ann Althouse is a misandrist.
The difference though is that we don't need white women to build civilization.
I agree with Althouse's take on this. It's not what Trump said, but how he said it. Taken at the core he is right. But the way he said it makes it fodder for the Ingas, Freders and RJWs who are incapable or unwilling of thinking things though and they are representative of a large part of the US population. It feeds their bubble. But by the same token if he softens his tone he becomes ineffective. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. I'm not sure there is a middle ground. We are at a turning point. He is who he is and this wouldn't be happening without him. Its a conundrum.
My real concern is not that a hardline approach is the wrong way to go about it. Milquetoast isn't going to cut it. My fear is that Trump is irreplaceable and the turning back to common sense movement he is leading which will take far longer than four years to come to fruition will die with him.
A properly racist policy, founded on performance metrics available from around the world, will take into account group differences. The following groups are clearly racially superior and are available in numbers (which generally take Europeans out of the picture, too few available desiring to emigrate to the US) -
Nigerian Ibos/Igbos
Filipinos (of course)
Chinese
Indians, if you can continue the current selective filters; otherwise Tamils and Sikhs by preference.
Argentines, Uruguayans, Cubans
White South Africans
Arguably Christian Lebanese
I watched this performance live yesterday, and I believe I said out loud, "He's choosing to resonate with racists."
No, Professor, he's choosing to resonate with Americans.
1: "Somalis" aren't race, they're a nationality.
2: The "Somali community" in MN is corrupt and evil.
A: Supporting a guy who raped a 12 year old girl, because he's "part of the community", is the action of evil scum. Decent human beings would have rejected him
B: The fraud that's happening is not individual crime, it's massively widespread group based criminal activity. It's like the mafia, only more spread out (they got thousands of families to join in on the "my kid has ADHD" scamming").
C: American politicians of Somali origin keep on standing up in public and saying their loyalty / focus. is "Somalia", NOT "America". And those politicians keep on getting re-elected
It's not "a few bad apples", the "community" is rotten. And should be driven out of America
Ronald J. Ward said...
That’s the pattern I’m highlighting—not surprise, just recognition.
The pattern I would like to highlight is that Ronald has again found a way to trash Americans who pay the taxes to support a corrupt democrat project of bringing in foreigners to kill us and to steal from us.
Ronald J Ward is the definition of a traitor.
This is an example of how the Left and Right are different.
Killing 600,000 unborn babies each year is healthcare but calling someone a name is horrible.
Prof. M. Drout said...
“The problem in mass immigration is the MASS. Having a single Somali or Italian or German family move into a neighborhood is a recipe for people coming to know each other and getting along. Having 100 families move in is a recipe for--almost a guarantee of--conflict.”
This point is critical and does not get talked about enough.
In the last great wave of immigration, the foreign born percentage of the population of the US peaked in 1910 at around 12% of the population before Congress restricted immigration. Today it is over 15% - and that does not include illegals.
He's been choosing to do that for ten years. Where have you been?
Sorry, Ann, this was readily apparent since the beginning when he came down the escalator. Go back and watch his announcement ten years ago.
Althouse said...He said the GROUP is GARBAGE.
The group IS garbage! The group produces corrupt politicians who hate America, a corrupt business "elite" that focuses on defrauding taxpayers of $$$ that's supposed to go to poor and disabled, and a general population that eagerly joins in the fraud, and does nothing to call out the corruption.
What is it about that group that you find NOT "garbage"?
Everywhere anyone has looked, Somali refugees are a long term drain on the host country, far worse than the average. I've you'll agree to change your position if given facts, I'll dig up the studies.
And 2nd generation are a BIGGER drain on teh host country than the 1st gen refugees.
What you are complaining about is Trump is telling a truth you don't like. And that's not a valid complaint, ever
“Somali” is a nationality, not a race.
We have over three more years of Trump being president. I predict that Republicans in Congress will turn on Trump, impeach him, and then remove him from office. The problem, as we saw yesterday, is that JD Vance is also damaged goods.
If the quote from Achilles is correct, he is specifically referring to Ilhan Omar and "her friends."
My guess is that he wants to bring full public attention to the massive, blatant and outrageous fraud that has been perpetrated in Minneapolis, with the knowing compliance and facilitation of the Democrat machine, which has been diligently documented by the Minnesota residents at Powerline.
Which "resonates." It's a version of "They are eating the cats."
pacwest said...
My real concern is not that a hardline approach is the wrong way to go about it. Milquetoast isn't going to cut it. My fear is that Trump is irreplaceable and the turning back to common sense movement he is leading which will take far longer than four years to come to fruition will die with him.
Have no fear about that. This movement is way bigger than Trump.
The real movement in the United States is towards economic populism. Trump is moving towards that because he knows where the voters are. There is only one real separation between Mamdani and Fuentes who are the thought leaders on both sides now:
1. Mamdani wants people from all over the world to get free stuff.
2. Fuentes wants native born Americans to get free stuff.
Both of these are obviously wrong. But if it is a contest Fuentes will obviously win.
The real contest is going to be the primary in 2028. If Trump keeps giving money to Israel and offering 50 year mortgages then the Republicans get absolutely wiped in the midterms and someone like Fuentes wins the Republican primary.
Trump is starting to realize what the real problems are. We elected him to clean house and get the Illegals out and stop giving them our money. If he doesn't start doing that then we move to the next option. The options will only get closer to Pinochet.
Ha. Ward doesn't sound like a traitor. It's worse.
He sounds like a Sociology professor.
But the way he said it makes it fodder for the...
Bullshit. The racist left racemongers don't NEED fodder. They take words like "nice" and "skinny" and "patriot" and attach all kinds of racist intent to them. Normal English words used properly are taken out of context. So no, it is not Trump's style, his fault, his vocabulary or his choice of adjectives they object to.
They object to his EXISTENCE therefore they cry racism.
If Althouse is hearing that dog whistle that's her problem. The rest of us are deaf to their insincere civility bullshit-in-blackface.
Ann Althouse said...
"Any criticism of non-whites is going to 'resonate with racists'."
Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.
No, he wants to be seen as different than the people who push lies and suppress truths that are "harmful" about non-Americans
IOW, he wants to be, and seen to be, pro-American, not pro-foreigner
You might call that "xenophobic", but you can't honestly call that "racist". Because Trump has consistently been on teh side of "black" Americans.
He's just not on the side of foreigners who happen to be "black", and who definitely have been screwing over America
I look forward to the day we, as a nation, are not subject to the knee-jerk, idiotic arguments of the Left and recognize we have nothing in common… not religion, not culture, not work ethic, not morality, not interest in maintaining a civil society, etc., with a number of countries.
Common sense should dictate we don’t want to import problems. No foreigner has the right to live in the USA.
Ann Althouse said...
["Isn’t this attitude toward people of third world countries one of the reasons people on the right voted for Trump?"]
"My point in the post is that HE acts as though HE thinks it is."
12/3/25, 6:08 AM
Say I:
1. People of right and left persuasion voted for Trump, and not all people of either persuasion voted for him. Hasty generalization, but...
2. @ Althouse, DJT's NYC braggadocio is operative here. It's his unfiltered speech that raises hackles.
Ann Althouse said...
["Any criticism of non-whites is going to 'resonate with racists'."]
"Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate."
12/3/25, 6:10 AM
Says me:
When has Donald Trump ever been subtle? I don't see a desire to resonate. He shoots from the lip, and from what I've seen, he doesn't care who identifies with his statements.
Follow up:
Years ago, our family met up in Minneapolis with my cousin and her fiancé for dinner in a downtown Greek restaurant. After dinner I stepped outside to take a picture of the holiday lights. As I was going inside, a Somali man accosted me and accused me of taking pictures of his children. They were in his vehicle, facing away from me, so I doubted his explanation. He then demanded my camera. I said that wouldn't happen, but I would delete the picture. He then tried to take it from me, but at that point our oldest son and my cousin's intended came to the vestibule and stood with me. I said again that I would delete the picture, and did so, then showed him that it was gone. Had I not had support behind me. I think he would have taken it by force.
At the time, I laid it to the conditions in Somalia where informers were everywhere and no one was to be trusted. I was sympathetic, but still wary. Later as we left the restaurant, his vehicle was parked next to ours beside the building. On the way back to our hotel, I kept my eye on the rear view. Knowing what I have seen since then, I'm less than sympathetic.
What I find truly hilarious about Ann nagging and whining about Trump is that Trump actually likes women.
Nothing better is going to come out of this for Ann and the feminist movement. Trump is the nicest guy you are going to get.
I mean for fucks sake Ann is defending people that would put her in a Hijab if the people she is whining about weren't protecting her.
See how this logical construction works? Recently you people have been doubling down on the justification of alleged war crimes and now you're doubling down on overt racism. No dog whistles needed. It seems to me that Trump is doing everything he can to fumble away his political capital and seeks to destroy MAGA so that the DNC Davos billionaire bloodsuckers can take over starting with the midterms next year.
Breezy said...
The Trumper community, if it is not at all like what is depicted on social media, has a huge PR problem. It’s up to them to change the perception that is out there
"There's always going to be a problem with saying the GROUP is bad. He said the GROUP is GARBAGE."
The left insists on treating people, not as individuals, but instead, as groups. They have no standing to complain when others do as they, themselves, insist.
Greg TCT brings the nuance. Deal with that progressives.
Somalia was one of the 7 countries upon which the Obama Administration imposed blanket travel visa restrictions. Was that "racist?" Why single out those countries? (It was terrorism--however none of them were European or Asian or South American, and they are all in the same neighborhood).
The point is that the US, as policy, has long made and imposed distinctions in status of "immigrants" based specifically on country of origin.
Nuance? Nuance would be a condemnation of the criminal and corrupt element of the Somali community that works in conjunction with powerful Democrats, not a condemnation of every person that has come over here from that country.
Enigma said...
“We share 98.8% of our DNA with chimps.”
A bit OT, but that statistic is widely misunderstood. We also share roughly 3/5ths of our DNA with bananas. All that means is that all life on earth has similar building blocks.
And that statistic is incorrect. I’ve seen a study say 85% is more accurate; another says 95%.
I haven't read all the comments yet, but I came across this one from Inga: ..."95% of Somalis living in Minnesota are US citizens. Additionally 50% of Somalis have been born in the US. ..."
How are so man of them citizens, by what audited process? Why are they calling themselves 'Somalis', instead of 'Americans'?
They represent a little over 1% of Minnesota's population, yet are represented in Congress, and well-represented in state government. If there's been over a $1 billion in fraud discovered so far, then that represents over $10,000 per Somali immigrant - felony level. And that fraud doesn't count the welfare benefits doled out within the law. Regardless of skin color, we've imported a figurative plague of locusts, thanks to the bleeding hearts that thought it would be constructive to import sub-Third-World values to the First World community, but neglected to include assimilation, because America is such a flawed society, I guess, and we have so much to learn, I guess.
Trump is calling them out in this way because the media will not be able to resist labeling him racist, accordingly - thus inexorably dragging the spotlight over the subject they refuse to cover fairly.
When you find OVERT racism please show it to us because we have seen no evidence at all that Trump is racist, but we have seen plenty of evidence he gets along fabulously with American patriots of all colors and type.
Trump doubled his support among black men in the last election because he appeals to their humanity not their melanin. Leftists only appeal to the evil impulses humans have, driven by greed, hatred of "the other," lust for power and the love of falsehoods over truth.
There are objectively better and worse groups.
If your goal is to get the best out of immigration, why shouldnt you take group performance into account?
Not to do so is just irrational sentiment.
Bob @ 7:47, the problem here is that your accusations are based on conspiracy and not verified. The key source making the claim that stolen funds have been directed to a terrorist group (al-Shabaab) came from a partisan magazine, City Journal, published by the conservative think tank Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. It relied heavily on anonymous sources and questionable former investigators; Other local reporting and analysts have called bullshit on the reliability of the chain of evidence.
Grooming the Gulibles that Minnesota’s sizable Somali community, which happens to be governed by a Democratic opponent, is not only the culprit of a fabricated crime, but are also ignorant and stink, being dehumanized to garbage (you know, in need of disposal), is what’s actually going on.
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Enigma,
You’re trying to reframe this as a debate about genetics, but that’s not what I was talking about — and it’s not what’s happening in this thread.
My point was about rhetorical patterns, not biology: Political grievance, crime narrative, biological narrative, cultural filth, and group essence.
We’ve seen that sequence used against Jews, Chinese immigrants, Rwandan Tutsis, African Americans, and many others. That’s the pattern unfolding here with Somalis.
As for genetics: Modern population genetics shows more variation within groups than between them. “Race” is not a biological category. Neanderthal/Denisovan admixture in Eurasians does not map to IQ, criminality, smell, or behavior.
The “ghost population” hypothesis in Western Africa is about ancient population structure, not innate traits.
So invoking admixture and ghost populations inside a conversation about “crime,” “IQ,” and “smell” is not scientific — it’s laundering old stereotypes in new terminology.
If anything, I’m pointing out the danger of that move, because history tells us the exact outcome.
Mason notes a truth nugget. Our side isn't the one that divides America into sub-groups. Groupism is definitely a marxist trait useful to the revolution but for nothing else.
There's a fine line between "choosing to resonate with racists" and being a racist.
Ron should get his own blog. He'd be easier to skip over then.
Howard said...
See how this logical construction works? Recently you people have been doubling down on the justification of alleged war crimes and now you're doubling down on overt racism. No dog whistles needed. It seems to me that Trump is doing everything he can to fumble away his political capital and seeks to destroy MAGA so that the DNC Davos billionaire bloodsuckers can take over starting with the midterms next year.
It is doubling down on truth.
"War Crimes" are a stupid fabrication made up by people who want to help drug traffickers traffic drugs just like they wanted to help the Taliban and AL Qeda kill us.
Somalian isn't a race. It is a person from a country. You want to make it a race so you can use a different argument that appeals to emotion. It wont work.
Somalia is a shithole because of Somalians. They came here and brought their shithole corruption and thievery.
White men have been the only people you could shit on in a racist manner for 5 decades.
That is over. You treated us in a racist manner and we were the only people in the world who would build you a colorblind society. There is only one place in the world that is not overtly racist. Every other country in the world is blatantly racist.
You chose to destroy the colorblind society. You are the ones who have made this happen with your constant attacks on the system white men built.
’…not a condemnation of every person that has come over here from that country.’
Name me a few who have assimilated and are making a net-positive contribution to our country. Even if you can, the bad outweigh the good by 10:1. But, hey - don’t let Ronnie hog all the virtue signaling…
There's a fine line between "choosing to resonate with racists" and being a racist.
Hard nope. It's still just mindreading civility bullshit. Current democrats in Congress are members of all-white clubs, members of CAIR a terrorist-supporting group, routinely use the worst racist terms for people low on melanin. All of those people purposely and overtly appeal to racism among their affinity groups.
So I have zero fucks to give about anyone's misinterpretation of Trump as "consciously appealing" to racists. Until you can prove to me you have examined his "conscience" in full it's just another shitty opinion. "Mind reading leftism" is one of the worst types of leftism to metastasize during this admin.
It's not Somalis as such. Nor anyone else from any particular location. What Trump is saying, "It's the ideology, stupid."
Islam is the factor. I wish DT would say it expressly. We need this open discussion. Not all cultures are equally valid.
The guy who famously said "I am the captain now!" obviously found gainful employment in Hollywood.
Mike doesn't sound like a wolf, he sounds like a pussy who only wants to hear opinions that agree with his rather than be challenged by people like Ron. You see I'm not calling Mike a pussy I'm just saying that he is acting like one.
Perhaps Althouse should gether own blog so that her condemnations of the evil over racism spewed by Donald Trump can be easily skipped over by you people.
Ronald J. Ward said...
Grooming the Gulibles that Minnesota’s sizable Somali community, which happens to be governed by a Democratic opponent, is not only the culprit of a fabricated crime, but are also ignorant and stink, being dehumanized to garbage (you know, in need of disposal), is what’s actually going on.
The garbage that truly needs to be disposed of are the Democrat traitors who bring in foreign soldiers, pay them money they take from Americans, and help them steal from us and kill us.
Ann Althouse said...
"Any criticism of non-whites is going to 'resonate with racists'."
Yeah, so why wasn't he more subtle? I think he wanted to be SEEN as DESIRING to resonate.
The people the Somalis are robbing are other poor, often non-white, people. How is Trump "hating on non-whites" when he's attackign people who are victimizing them?
Color and class judgments and labels under a Diversity umbrella. #HateLovesAbortion
Breezy said...
“To become a naturalized US citizen, you have to pledge allegiance to the US. If you aren't following through on that pledge, then you’re a liar and a fraud.”
We have politicians in the community in question saying they represent Somalia, not the US. We have members of the community saying the President of Somalia is their president, not the President of the US. We have sworn police officers stating they will enforce “their” law for Somalians and not for “foreigners”.
If they are not citizens, they should be deported. If naturalized, they should be denaturalized and then deported. If they are natural born citizens, they should face consequence of being on the sedition-treason continuum.
Howard said...
Mike doesn't sound like a wolf, he sounds like a pussy who only wants to hear opinions that agree with his rather than be challenged by people like Ron. You see I'm not calling Mike a pussy I'm just saying that he is acting like one.
Perhaps Althouse should gether own blog so that her condemnations of the evil over racism spewed by Donald Trump can be easily skipped over by you people.
Your problem Howard is that you are being just as racist as we are by assuming this is about race.
Somalian isn't a race. It is a country. If you want to say all Somalians are black that is on you. That makes you a dishonest racist.
It isn't the position Trump is taking. Trump is pointing out that the people coming from Somalia are acting like Somalians. There are a lot of black people from other countries that are not being called out like this.
You know it's funny, for a while I thought you people were actual human beings. What can I say, you fooled me.
Good luck, Achilles. I hope one day you find peace in your soul.
Blacks robbing other blacks is racist, equivocal, and inclusive. Were they Africa-American or some other racist bloc in the Diversity ideological blender?
"Challenged"? No I am bored by Ron and skip over his endless text, only occasionally ingesting bits others have posted to mock him. He seems more like an AI/Chuck/Bich than an actual human interacting here. You used to be more perceptive Howard. Sad!
Racism basically posits that "x" race is inherently superior to "y" race. Trump didn't say Somalis are inherently inferior and should be excluded from the U.S. for that reason. He wants them out because they're anti-American freeloaders. This is a mainstream observation: Didn't the NYT just YESTERDAY report that Somali immigrants come from a culture of stealing from the government?
Howard said...
You know it's funny, for a while I thought you people were actual human beings. What can I say, you fooled me.
12/3/25, 9:00 AM
Howard said...
Good luck, Achilles. I hope one day you find peace in your soul.
This is what happens when someone is challenged intellectually.
And they resort to emotion to deal with it.
Diversity is a fetus... feature of pride and prejudice, and wicked solutions with benefits in transhumane religions, nominally secular sects.
“I get the idea that the color scheme is red, white, and blue, so we can't have an orange butterfly, but there are some real blue butterflies, and I would think that the monarch is a bad idea, because of the recent "no kings" rallies and because orangeness is key to the butterfly's name, which is, they say, a tribute to King William III, Prince of Orange. Prince of Orange would be a good name for Trump, but orange is never going to be Christmas color. And we don't want an English King horning in on the 250th year of America's independence.”(Althouse 12/01/2025)
A choice of species of butterfly should not have been made because why? Because it’s a dog whistle which reveals the true nature of Trump supporters as the dictatorship loving people liberals always knew they were. This is how carefully liberals monitor and parce every word and impulse on the Trump side.
So now President Trump says, “These are people that do nothing but complain” and “When they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don’t want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.”
Reaction: “He’s choosing to resonate with racists.” (Althouse 12/03/2025)
Supporters understand that Trump’s criticism is about behavior. Seeing it through a race filter is a choice liberals make.
For liberals - the same as the appearance of a (gasp) monarch butterfly on a Christmas tree - this is another sign that we who voted for Trump are bad human beings.
Isn’t it time we moved past this?
Added: “He wants to be seen as desiring . . . “ That’s a lot of mind reading.
Howard said...
Nuance? Nuance would be a condemnation of the criminal and corrupt element of the Somali community that works in conjunction with powerful Democrats, not a condemnation of every person that has come over here from that country.
So is the problem you can't read? That your'e really stupid? Or that you're dishonest?
A: Supporting a guy who raped a 12 year old girl, because he's "part of the community", is the action of evil scum. Decent human beings would have rejected him
That wasn't specific individual supporting the rapist, it was "the Somali Community Center". And when it came out, there were no Somalis picketing the Center saying "not in our name".
B: The fraud that's happening is not individual crime, it's massively widespread group based criminal activity. It's like the mafia, only more spread out (they got thousands of families to join in on the "my kid has ADHD" scamming").
Billions of dollars of fraud, spread out over thousands of individuals. Stealing money for the disabled, food to feed the poor, food to feed kids..
Where are the decent members of the "community", rallying against the criminals?
C: American politicians of Somali origin keep on standing up in public and saying their loyalty / focus. is "Somalia", NOT "America". And those politicians keep on getting re-elected
So, where are Americans of Somali ancestry living in Minneapolis, voting and campaigning against those politicians? What's that? The only ones who do that are from different clans that that of the individual politicians? And they're supporting whoever their clan supports?
It's not individuals, it's the group. It's like Italians in NYC 100 years ago and the Mafia, except the Italians weren't joining in the crime in nearly the numbers that individual Somalis are joining in the crime.
Turning a blind eye is bad. Actively participating in the crime is worse. And that is what the Somalis in MN are doing.
So yes: TPS for Somalis should end. Everyone here on TPS should be deported. Anyone who participated in any fraud, getting so much as a single dollar, should be deported. Any Somali with US citizenship who participated in the fraud, and sent ANY money, even so much as $1, to Somalia, should lose their US citizenship and be deported to Somalia. any Somalis on public assistance should be deported.
If you're not Jews fleeing Nazis, not kulacks fleeing Communists, then you're not a refugee, and should not be let into the US other than because you individually are judged, and continue to be, a net benefit to America.
Somali is not a race.
It's the same redistributive change schemes that Kenyan elite use to exploit Kenyan deplorables, that trap South Africans in Ouroboros progression. Throw another baby... "burden" on the barbie, it's over. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #HateLovesAbortion
The fact that ethnic Somalis in US Government see no problem in declaring that their first allegiance is to Somalia is reason enough to demand that they leave their positions, if not the country. Nothing racist about it.
If Somalia the country is not a shithole, why are they all coming here?
Yep.
Some of Howie’s best friends are Somalis, so he’s not a racist.
Neither Franklin the Turtle Nor Sabrina Carpenter Wants to Appear in Trump Posts ~ NYT
Why does the Trump administration continue to steal people’s intellectual property, music and art without permission on a daily basis? Even worse, for things they strongly object to? Why don’t they just use things from MAGA artists and creators?
Applying Cecile's Scalpel to the problem, it can be observed that a wicked solution is realized when a population reaches Critical Diversity Mass.
Zulu vs Mandela's Xhosa tribalism or something more vintage? Perhaps an NGO zone of equitable and inclusive redistributive change schemes exploiting empathy for profit.
I believe I said out loud, "He's choosing to resonate with racists."
Racist, racist, racist. You, Althouse, are choosing to resonate with the elitists. The Afghans who choose not to assimilate tend not to kill retired non-STEM professors, they tend to murder members of the working class. So it’s not as though you would care, right?
Are all of the Somalis in on the Medicaid scams? Do you offer any proof that they aren’t?
At the lowest level this political realignment is about white men and a growing number of black and hispanic men joining them to cast off the emotional arguments that have been used against them.
We allowed the left to make empty emotional appeals and the results have been tragically bad.
Just like that stupid Nuzzi article above. The white man will not longer listen to stupid appeals of fake empathy.
We built this country, the only country in the world that isn't blatantly racist.
And we are not going to let democrats ship in a bunch of people who treat this like a racist tribal spoils system.
You guys are all hung up on "race" as a broad category. Its too broad.
There are significant differences among groups that are supposedly the same "race".
The Nigerian Ibos/Igbos are a case in point. They are, well, black, and African. But as immigrants they vastly outperform other African or "black" groups. This is not so evident in the US, because there are relatively few here, but its well known in the UK.
Intelligent public policy should take all useful categorizations into account, even if it means delving into subcultures and tribes.
Anyway, the US has long experience with nationalities, groups and subcultures, and a bit of study can I'm sure yield even better data, to guide policy to optimal outcomes. Its way better than just hysterically knifing each other (rhetorically).
This, from the census, is an excellent starting point -
Immigrant groups by median household income
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Yeah, lets not be racists. Lets let in thousands, or millions of people who add zero to the USA and are a burden. Because there's nothing more important then not being racist.
Of course, there's immigration and its hidden (or not so hidden backers). Its not a conicidence that the WSJ has called for an Open borders constitutional admendment. Or that the Democrat Party refuses to enforce the immigration laws.
The rich, left and right, want cheap labor and/or Democrat votes. And as Bill Maher says (Net worth $67 million) London and other cities look so much better when they're 30 percent white instead of 90 percent.
Eva Marie said...
So now President Trump says, “These are people that do nothing but complain” and “When they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don’t want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.”
Reaction: “He’s choosing to resonate with racists.” (Althouse 12/03/2025)
Supporters understand that Trump’s criticism is about behavior. Seeing it through a race filter is a choice liberals make.
For liberals - the same as the appearance of a (gasp) monarch butterfly on a Christmas tree - this is another sign that we who voted for Trump are bad human beings.
Isn’t it time we moved past this?
Added: “He wants to be seen as desiring . . . “ That’s a lot of mind reading.
I would say that Ann should be embarrassed. But she and Howard have a lot in common.
They can only take reason and logic so far before they have to abandon preferred outcomes.
When they reach that limit the tears start to flow.
But don't tell them to calm down.
The problem with Trump, is all he can do is talk. The Republicans in the Senate just want open borders. Besides if some bill did pass, a District Judge would find it unconstitutional. Because Judges can do anything.
The problem in Africa is racism. The problem in America is Diversity... Pride, Prejudice, and Albinophobia. And, of course, the three legs of the liberal triad.
Words are wind. Trump could give 5 minute speech full of fine phrases about how we need to stop immigration from Somilia and the impact would be the same. Sometimes the only way to do something is to stir up passions and be crude. Whens the last time the Immigation and Anti-racists were upset at anti-American or anti-white rhetoric? Answer: Never.
buwaya said...
You guys are all hung up on "race" as a broad category. Its too broad.
There are significant differences among groups that are supposedly the same "race".
The Nigerian Ibos/Igbos are a case in point. They are, well, black, and African. But as immigrants they vastly outperform other African or "black" groups. This is not so evident in the US, because there are relatively few here, but its well known in the UK.
Intelligent public policy should take all useful categorizations into account, even if it means delving into subcultures and tribes.
buwaya gets to a real truth here.
The Democrats have to make this about race because their goal is to bring in a bunch of foreign soldiers to effect a color revolution.
They have to hide the actions of the barbarians they want to bring here because they want barbarians, not productive citizens.
You wont find any real opposition from Trump supporters to LIMITED immigration from countries like Nigeria where people who want to integrate into our country want to come here and make our country better.
Democrats want to destroy the country by importing corrupt criminals like Ilhan Omar that set up a racist spoils scheme.
Their cries of racism are just cover for their treason.
Here's how the NYT quotation system works.
Howard said...
You know it's funny, for a while I thought you people were actual human beings. What can I say, you fooled me.
"You people"? Not "actual human beings"?
Sounds racist.
Of course, we have to dive into this rat hole of "Why there are some good Somalis". There were some good Nazis and Stalinists too. So what?
Personally, I wish Somalis well - in Somalia.
Bottom line - this is just cheap rhetoric by Trump. Remember the wall? Words as a substitute for action. Its been in the Republican party playbook for 60 years.
Rocco: " We also share roughly 3/5ths of our DNA with bananas"
Makes sense. About 3/5 of my bodyweight is in my banana hammock. CC, JSM
Trump seems to have substantially achieved his southern border objectives, in 2025 vs his first term, not with a wall but with effective appointments.
Face it - Trump hands the left the hammer.
Trump takes what should outrage everyone - and turns it into something the left can use to skirt the issue.
Quick show of hands: who wants to live in a neighborhood comprised of 50% Somalis? Howard? Inga? Ronald? Ann?
The Philippines, btw, has the greatest diversity in bananas.
I support banana DEI!
Also try the mangos.
The only way it was going to be done no one else would touch the issue
The young progressive poltroon Jacob Frey, reelected mayor Minneapolis gave his victory speech in the Somali language. A Minnesota politician said that if you antagonize the Somali community, you can't win Minneapolis, and if you can't win Minneapolis, you can't win Minnesota. Things seem to have gotten out of hand in the "Land of One Thousand Fakes". Still, stealing a billion dollars can make up for a lot of hurt feelings.
What I would like to see is a Somali of importance in Minnesota stand up and denounce the fraud Somalis, as a group, have engaged in there; thank the U.S. for the opportunities it has offered them; and reject the anti-American rhetoric of their leading Somali politicians. Unless that begins to happen, it tells me that Somalis have not assimilated, and are unwilling to assimilate, and if they are not willing to assimilate, perhaps this is not the country for them.
Thanks to Trump's immature outbursts - we are no longer talking about the left's corruption.
“He’s choosing to resonate with racists.” He's also choosng to resonate with people who don't think any Somalis should be here in the first place, oppose the immigration-industrial complex that made that happen, and believe rational immigration policy starts with making basic distinctions and focusing on American interests.
BTW - any ethnic group who collectively abuse the US tax payer, should be shown the door.
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