So: a scrappy executive enamored of the idea that there are PSDs out there — that's the explanation....
December 23, 2025
"It begins in 1976. Epstein is a teacher at the Dalton School in Manhattan, and he gets invited to a reception at an art gallery, and he goes kind of grudgingly...."
"And at the reception, he bumps into the parent of one of his students who is impressed with his math chops. And the parent suggests that maybe he is wasting his time being a teacher and instead should consider a career in Wall Street. And the parent then introduces Epstein to a guy named Ace Greenberg.... a top executive at Bear Stearns, which is this scrappy Wall Street investment bank. And one of the ways in which it's scrappy is that it is not going to hire Ivy League MBAs. It is looking for what Ace Greenberg likes to call PSDs, which stands for poor, smart, and deeply desirous of being rich. And Epstein goes in to meet Greenberg for a job interview, and Epstein fits the bill. Greenberg is bowled over by the guy's charisma and charm and apparent math prowess and offers him a job. So he arrives at Bear Stearns and he quickly becomes the protege to some of the firm's top executives. One is Greenberg, the guy who hired him, who is so taken with Epstein that he introduces him to his own 20-year-old daughter and they start dating, which affords Epstein something akin to protected status at the firm...."
From today's excellent episode of the NYT "Daily" podcast, "The Origins of Jeffrey Epstein."
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Oh so THAT's the explanation for Epstein's meteoric rise, and not the involvement of foreign intelligence services- you antisemites.
President Trump offered a warning through Bill Clinton and Bill Gates to the many oligarchs on the list. It doesn't sound like they're getting the message.
"I've been in this business since '69. Most of these Harvard M.B.A. types, they don't add up to dog shit. Give me guys that are poor, smart, and hungry - and no feelings. You win a few, you lose a few, but you keep on fighting. And if you need a friend, get a dog. It's trench warfare out there, pal...and in here too." - Gordon Gecko, Wall Street
He got a PSD all right: Pervy Syphilitic Dick. CC, JSM
And young Achilles was educated by the centaur Chiron...
Every super-hero and super-villain has an origin story
doctrev said...
Oh so THAT's the explanation for Epstein's meteoric rise, and not the involvement of foreign intelligence services- you antisemites.
+1
This is just on the border of "is this a joke or not."
Not sure why Trump is putting up with this shit anymore.
The Epstein file release is going to be a stain on his legacy unless he fires Bondi and Patel and he has a come to Jesus moment.
Just say the acronyms: CIA. Mossad.
Just get it over with.
Yah I got interviews the same way. I din’t go to an Ivy but it wasn’t Hofstra. The rich kid safety school I was told, though my family not rich…
If math is a lie told by demons and sanctified by robe-wearing acolytes in satanic math departments, then Epstein was the devil himself.
Bondi doing exactly what is expected of her…
Mike Bens is all over the releases. https://youtu.be/Pf2STj6JnAI?si=bM27HrV0zI9FRy2Q
…come to think of it Bondi and Bari have the same job!
No one at the NYT, or any of the media, give a damn about Epstein, his crimes, or his rise to 'fame'.
It is another way to destroy Trump, and they are all in, as usual.
Ace was an intuitive and incredibly smart man. A generational trader on the street. They'd say on the trading floor that he could smell a (losing Trader's) fear at 50 feet.
I think the point is that Epstein had an abundance of that rare intangible called charisma. Ace could sense it, and knew it could be a money-making asset for Bear, Stearns.
Many commenters here probably revile, say, Bill Clinton, and all revile Epstein. But I'm pretty certain that almost all the same commenters, if placed in a social setting, and not steeled by knowing their history, would be totally charmed by them.
The connection to rich men in the States is what led Epstein to the point where he could form connections with intelligence agencies. The Study Group or Mega Group is what we can't talk about.
Achilles - you are an antisemite. A dumb one.
@Jimmy, not "give a damn"...actively omitted. If he'd had a literal guardian angel, he couldn't have had better.
Matt Taibbi and his team over at Racket News are doing what I think will be a 5-part story on Epstein, highlighting the elements of the narrative (or the actual history - who can say) that are being glossed over.
Part 1 was about the pedophilia. Taibbi reports, accurately, that Epstein's only conviction was for solicitation, and that the young woman in that trial said under oath that they only had sexual intercourse once, literally on the day before her 18th birthday. He solicited her before that, yes, but only ("only") for massages that were clearly sexual to him (I may be misremembering - there might have been some other sex-adjacent activity, but not intercourse); he would want her in various stages of undress, and he would often pleasure himself during them. But sex - only once.
Taibbi's point is not that Epstein was anything other than a creep, but he does wonder aloud whether the evidence so far is sufficient to label him a "convicted pedophile," as some have done and are doing.
Man. I tried so hard to avoid this story, but it seems there's no way out but through.
Didn’t the headmaster of this school hire Epstein even as he was unqualified, and didn’t this same headmaster write a sci-fi novel full of man-girl explicit scenes, and didn’t he father a son who investigated the “suicide,” and pronounced it to be exactly what they were telling us it was, “as hard as that was to believe.”
Did that make it in?
So where are the big Mossad goods?
What exactly did he achieve for Israel?
He got Bill Clinton and Price Andrew... to partake in the good life on big hot tub island. + others.. and we are not sure who abused the girls? Prince Andrew probably did. How is he a big catch for Israel?
What is the end game? Esp because it looks like he was into controlling young girls with sex - and he got off on it.
Where was the blackmail?
There's more here - or - there might be less.
Space Mtn - I watched that. She seems a big ditsy and full of herself. Biggest pedophile ever!
Matt Taibbi (one of the few, real, investigative journalists left) doesn't think we have any evidence Epstein was providing access to young women to powerful men. Here is an exchange between Matt and a commenter at Matt's Substack:
Sigh. This is exactly the point. We don't know that he was "providing access to young women" to "powerful, mostly married men." There just isn't evidence of this. If you want a justice and journalistic system that just assumes things, go for it. But currently what we have courts for is to determine the provability of crime, and the job of people like me is to point out the (sometimes unpopular) limits of what's known.
Anne Emerson Hall
4d
Matt. Matt. Matt. Providing access to young women to powerful, mostly married men is disturbing. What Michael and you report seems like splitting hairs over what prosecutors were able to charge and prove in south Florida.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-182360471
Benz put it all together during a podcast per Scott Adams.
And this story couldn't be told before why?
Control of the rich and powerful by the intel agencies, which maintain that control by preventing the exposure of the names of those rich and powerful people
Allen Dulles was a firm believer that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Plausible deniability and reasonable doubt is the entire game because courts can only deal in facts. The real world deals in motivations, opportunities and coincidences...most specifically that in the real world true coincidences are extremely rare.
deeply the word!
@Gerda, et al
Shipwreckedcrew did a deep dive a couple weeks before Tracy and Taibbi's post came out on the Florida plea and Federal NPA deals that Epstein reached regarding solicitation back in 2008, and he came to largely the same conclusion. There just isn't any evidence that Epstein was doing more than paying teenage girls to service him, and him alone. What happened on his island or at his residences in other cases, as I understand it, almost always involved females (at least slightly) over the age of 18. In most cases, even among the solicitations, there appears to have been some degree of consent which makes pressing criminal charges complicated as SWC explains in his post.
Link to Shipwreckedcrew's posting
Yeah, Epstein was creepy sex pest but this appears to be another QAnon Pizzagate.
@Mike (MJB Wolf) 10:33am
That's rhetorical, right? Quite obviously because some pretty big Democrat names are getting their tails (and other appendages) caught in the Epstein crack.
Mossad spy chief had a daughter who was common law wife of Epstein , she is in jail now and it’s not antisemitism to notice.
Its easy for billionaires and NGO's to spread money around and get independent journalists and "influencers" to write stories with a certain slant. We know that Harvey Weinstein wasn't just hiring Private Eyes to dig up dirt on the Women he abused, he was sending money to various people to write "Hey Weinstein is being unfairly accussed articles".
There's also the contrarian angle. what better way to get clicks reads and publicity then defending someone everyone else is attacking? Or doing a "Those women were asking for it and they're probably lying" substack article or series of tweets.
Lotta names redacted.
Epstein had Israeli presidents and PMs stay at his house. And was constantly flying back and forth from Israel. Its not clear where he got all his money or how he suddenly had access to almost everyone important. Not to mention why he was videotaping everyone. Or why he was protected for over 15 years.
The obvious answer was he was Mossad.
Who gets the privilege of having their name redacted by the FBI? Powerful people. You might say it’s unproven, but you can’t say that it is not a logically coherent theory that comports with the known facts.
I like you Peachy, but there is no morality in a situation where the actors making the decisions believe that a nation’s survival is at stake.
You don't need to see where Epstein got his money
This isn't the $1.1 billion you're looking for
4,725 wire transfers can on about their business
Move along, move along
Well there were some interesting people like stanley pottinger who had business ties with epstein intel ties elsewhere along with adnan khashoggi and douglas leese
The story beginss a bit earlier than that. Donald Barr, headmaster at Dalton and OSS (CIA predessor) veteran, hires young, unqualified Epstein to teach math. Barr is a the father of Bill Barr, AG under George HW Bush (also a CIA vet) and later under Trump's first term, where he undermined Trump 45. Lots of coincidences involving intelligence. And of course Ghislaine is the daughter of a suspected Mossad asset.
How Bullingdon Club links to Jeffrey Epstein in his birthday book https://share.google/QNj8WSZpvPlnpmYOy
There's nothing "suspected" about Robert Maxwell's ties to Mossad. His relationship with Mossad is about as proven as things in that world can be.
Only victims are redacted, which was one reason Hugh Hewitt opposed the document dump: appearing with Epstein is not a crime but people might be smeared by a Media rabid to distract from the yuge number of photos Bill Clinton is in.
So, Epstein was CIA? With "benefits".
Sounds like now when it looks like Epstein is not going to bring the walls closing in on Trump, but rather Democrats, that it's time to start softening the Epstein boogieman. Now, a talented, charming guy good at math.
Epstein was an old school... influencer.
"Now, a talented, charming guy good at math."
An austere religious scholar! Which religion? Who cares!
So was james moriarty if ons recalled
They had this notion of epstein in casino royale but they made him albanian because why not
Le chiffre lives on an island moneyman with many ties
Now ehud barak who ran the color revolution against netanyahu which made october 7th possible
It’s now more clear than ever that The Epstein Files is Pizzagate with a twist, it’s the anti-Semitic version of Pizzagate, it’s “The Jews were running a pedophile op to blackmail powerful men with film of them screwing children” or some such nonsense.
Saudis brits (the al yamanah deal) and other parties
Epstein got his start through his CIA connections.
An austere religious scholar! Which religion? Who cares!
OMG LOL LOL
Mind you some of this craziness comes from ari ben menashe a known fantasist
There's got to be a way to work "deeply the word!" into the New Dictionary of Received Idiars
"Achilles - you are an antisemite. A dumb one."
Because he mentioned the Mossad? Maybe you should just have Israel redacted, Peachy.
deeply the word! is a dead give away. no pun intoned.
@Douglas B. Levene, thankfully someone compiled all the fake pizzagate information in one place so that it can be disproven. It hasn't been taken down...yet, aren't we lucky. Disprove away.
Anybody run ancestry to see if Epstein had any Kissinger blood in him... Mmmm-Hmmm (Sling Blade grunt)
"While Clinton was President, Epstein visited the White House at least 17 times between 1993 and 1995.[12] By 1995, Epstein was circulating in Clinton's social orbit." Yo, it's just a President thing.
Ignore the 800 pound guerilla in room
Including subsequent interaction with the clinton foundation
"Dear PM, I don't know about you, but I always invite supposedly distant acquaintances to major family life events." - Slick Willy (allegedly)
Now most of clintons term was pursued a) trying to get barak to surrender more territory b) fighting wars in the balkans
the walls closing in on Trump, but rather Democrats
#MeTooTwo
Back in the 60's, and maybe into the 70's, many Wall St. firms preferred hiring English Lit and History majors as they were easier to train. People with finance and econ degree thought they "knew it all" and were quite recalcitrant to being told they didn't know anything.
bagoh20 said...
Sounds like now when it looks like Epstein is not going to bring the walls closing in on Trump, but rather Democrats, that it's time to start softening the Epstein boogieman. Now, a talented, charming guy good at math.
Epstein was literally texting with and on the phone with Democrats during the J6 hearings while the Democrats were sitting in chairs in congress.
People are pretending he had nothing to do with government agencies. It is just stupid. Bear Stearns didn't have billions of dollars to throw around at a corporate spying operation.
This is just stupid. There is just no way you can avoid the obvious here.
You dont know the Times then
My first big encounter with IBs out of law school was with Bear Stearns and the guys we were dealing with (young ones in their late 20s since transaction was in Arizona and not that big) were kind of greasy and gross - definitely not like the ivy leaguers I knew. Gave me a really bad first impression of IBs. That Bear Stearns hired Epstein and kept him on after all the resume fraud and other stuff was uncovered is amazing. BS deserved to die long before it did.
The Iron Dome is awesome. It can shoot down hundreds of missiles a minute as they travel at speeds well over mach 2 with a radar signature as small as a medium sized dog. It does this on a daily/nightly basis sometimes.
This is the one question I want answered: How did a bunch of retards launch gliders at a beach and float over a giant wall at 30 miles an hour with guns and equipment and a radar signature of a small car through the Iron Dome and then run around live streaming atrocities for 12 hours?
I have no problem with turning Gaza into a parking lot and rebuilding it into a really nice resort and giving the Palestinian survivors jobs afterwords under an Egyptian occupation force.
But there is some bullshit going on here. Epstein is as obvious as it gets. Why are we lying about all of this crap?
These aren't skills that he put to good use, but Epstein certainly had skills. He definitely knew how to ingratiate himself and win the friendship of shrewd and important men......Even if we knew everything there was to know about Epstein, do you think we'd believe it was all there was to know? It's like the Kennedy assassination. JFK was a conspiracy magnet. CIA, Mafia, Castro, et al all had reasons to plot against him........I find it hard to believe that Epstein's sole appeal to all these rich and powerful men was his charm and mathematical abilities, but I don't think we'll ever know the true story or that we'll ever believe 100% whatever story we hear about him.
Christopher B link , and the comments, at 10:53 worth the five minutes to read. Clears up a lot of misinfo.
The NYT could simply print a full history of Epsteins connections to spooks and government officials. Certainly they have compiled one. They just admitted they exploited the Trump connections thoroughly to the point they declared no involvement with any illegal activities.
Just do the same due diligence with the rest. The foreign figures. The domestic ones. All of the public figures. That’s all.
Then maybe one of their podcasts would be worth listening to.
MAGAts be like:
Yeah, Donnie is a child rapist but there are many other pedos in those files too!
Lem Vibe Bandit 10:13 AM Thank you. Mike Benz annotates the NYT article. Excellent
They trained in lebanon which was a denied area
Achilles is asking for his pal CandyA$$.
"And at the reception, he bumps into the parent of one of his students who is impressed with his math chops."
Everyone else can have a circle jerk over the post, I just want to know who was impressed with Epstein's math chops, the student or the parent?
Money + boojum = interest.
The officials like halevi were trapped in the oslo illusion
OK, so Epstein, who was "obviously" Mossad, was "obviously" running a blackmail operation, and now yet another presidential administration is "obviously" concealing the evidence of this, for the "obvious" purpose of protecting Israel and the rich and powerful blackmail-ees from exposure. Forget that there's little or no evidence for any of this; "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence," but only of an even wider conspiracy.
Christopher B said...
Yeah, Epstein was creepy sex pest but this appears to be another QAnon Pizzagate.
So a guy used billions of dollars nobody can explain to hook politicians and world leaders up with young women.
But none of this was technically illegal so it is a conspiracy?
@Mike (MJB Wolf) 10:33am
That's rhetorical, right? Quite obviously because some pretty big Democrat names are getting their tails (and other appendages) caught in the Epstein crack.
There are a lot more than Democrats on that list. Bill Gates is pretty obviously a creep. There are several big name billionaires in that book.
Why would we not want to know who Epstein was working for and where all that money came from?
More likely the brits or the saudis (thats been the oldest tie)
And at the reception, he bumps into the parent of one of his students who is impressed with his math chops... Greenberg is bowled over by the guy's charisma and charm and apparent math prowess and offers him a job.
"Math is a wonderful thing. Math is a really cool thing."
narciso said...
More likely the brits or the saudis (thats been the oldest tie)
I haven't found any ties to Mi6. That was my first or second guess. Have you? As far as the Saudis go I haven't seen anything like this out of them but I am willing to read it. Their Khashogi incident did not really scream competence. Epstein was up and running long before they got their new groove as a country.
Ghislane Maxwell was a known Mossad spy so if Epstein was a Saudi spy that would be a match made in heaven.
Did it begin in 1976. How did Epstein become a teacher at the Dalton School? He was only 21 and had no college degree.
The school's headmaster until just before Epstein started work was Donald Barr (father of former AG William Barr) a former OSS officer. Barr authored 2 science fiction novels one of which featured the rape of under age female girls. Barr was known for hiring unconventional candidates, but it's unclear if he had a role in Epstein's hiring.
Blanche was Trump’s criminal defense attorney before he took office, and nothing has changed since then.
This leese character see the bullingdon club link which ties jim to baring bank and othet playerd
They wanted to make a example of a qatari agent that jamal was
The younger khashoggi was bin ladens publicist as he later served for hamas and the taliban
@Lem
Thanks, re "deeply"
tag added
Which is more incredible: Dalton recruited a 21 year old math whiz without a college degree to teach at Dalton or Mossad recruited a 21 year old math whiz without a college degree to handle and manage a complicated honey-trap spy operation.....If Mossad was truly behind Epstein, I'd have to say that based on the evidence available that it wasn't their most successful spy operation. That exploding beeper operation is the best........Anyway if Mossad somehow ran a honey trap operation that suborned Clinton, Trump, Bill Gates, and Kevin Spacey, then more credit to them. That's an argument for staying on the good side of Mossad instead of going all Hezbollah on their ass.
The above might be considered a legend
’…a talented, charming guy good at math.’
Leave me out of this, please!!
Who are the 10 co-conspirators? Interesting dump of files last night.
Epstein was literally texting with and on the phone with Democrats during the J6 hearings while the Democrats were sitting in chairs in congress.
Yeah. Except he was dead.
In 2017, that might have been news to him
Mossad didn't do a very good job of hiding its tracks since most people here know about the connection.
It began with vicky ward of vanity fair who didnt address the issue thirty years after her original profile
The obvious answer was he was Mossad.
I strongly suspect that he worked with Mossad, MI6 and the CIA. He was an intermediary and a deal maker.
He probably made most of his money from Les Wexner and his Intelligence operations. I used to think blackmail was involved, but now I am not so sure.
D.D. Driver said...
Epstein was literally texting with and on the phone with Democrats during the J6 hearings while the Democrats were sitting in chairs in congress.
Yeah. Except he was dead.
Apologies. I got impeachment hearings and J6 kangaroo court mixed up.
Was in graduate school at an Ivy League university in 1980s. Professors hit on every female student, no matter how demure, in plain sight of faculty, administrators, and students. Completely tolerated, even admired, even when faculty member had a wife somewhere in the background.
Post-graduate school, at my 1st corporate posting, work-environment was "management 100% male; secretaries 100% female", with exception of one young Ivy League-grad female, who was propositioned by nearly every single male encountered at office, with exception of Chairman and President.
Think these were commonplace scenarios in 1980s, and for much of 1990s, where a lot of casual sexual harassment was tolerated as expected and mildly amusing male behavior. Trump and Epstein are of this era. Clinton, who weathered several accusations of outright rape, is probably the sexual predator of the Epstein bunch. Trump is the "regular guy", and Epstein probably best described as "Hugh Heffner-aspiring gracious host offering "girlfriend experience" to all his guy pals".
Life-experience varies by age demographic. What was acceptable in 80s and 90s would cause public shaming and career disaster today.
Rabel said, "Mossad didn't do a very good job of hiding its tracks since most people here know about the connection."
That's hard to do when your "math whiz" has a favorite sweatshirt...Never leaves home without it!. You know...cause he's so smart.
Not everyone who works in intelligence is intelligent. A more wretched hive of scum and villainy yadda yadda.
Wexner was probably Epstein's original source of wealth-adjacency, likely involving some blackmail and extortion. Wasn't Wexner closeted gay guy stuck in Midwest Ohio?
Barrs probably were Epstein's CIA-adjacent entry into honey-pot business opportunities, whether for USA and/or Israel spy agency purposes. Suspect Epstein's honey-pot trapping of Prince Andrew absolutely served purposes of both governments to keep Royal Family cooperative during the ebb-and-flow of various different party's prime minister terms.
@ Triple D. Epstein was texting live to the ditz from the U.S. Virgin Islands (Stacey Plaskett) during congressional hearing. Did I say live? I meant to say live.
And this story couldn't be told before why?
In many ways, it was told before, but people either didn’t buy it or benefited from suggesting it was something else. See here the lefty commenters telling us that if Trump is in the file, it means he’s a pedo, but with Clinton’s name in the file, it’s just QANON pizzagate. Pizzagate, while ignoring that Epstein was able to send messages straight to a Dem Reps phone while she’s in committee. Do you have that access with your Rep?
My favorite part of this is the "suicide note" to Larry Nassar that is wrapped in a Trump allegation. What a clever way to get the Blue Cult to believe that Epstein committed suicide. The Red Cult is already convinced the whole thing is a "hoax." (Except there are know victims and there have been trials and convictions.)
RE: blackmail. You should look up the Matt Gaetz story. No saying I believe him, but also not saying I don't. Also, look up what Papa Kushner was convicted of. Sexual blackmail is just part of the game. It just is. These are sick fucks.
Trump pardoned Papa Kushner and made him and ambassador. Sick fucks.
Nassar was also protected by mueller rhen comey
Its who the french deserve
Michigan hired fitz to protect them from their criminal liability
With nassar quelle surprise
Thicker than masons those two
Fitz went after conrad black and libby who were reversed by the supreme court
Siimlar to barcella who was a hero of the Times when he went after edwin wilson who was freed 20 years later
They call him DeeDee Driver
He talks and then he cops a feel
Of himself and he’s gone
We got his number
He gots some real comedic appeal
Scoots on the rug, and then he slumbers
One wonders if he left a stain
Shine a light
No doubt about it, iman
I suspect pimping and blackmail were sidelines for Epstein, if they were going on at all. There were all of the money shenanigans, and they spiraled into intelligence activities. Epstein was operating in financial gray areas so there was no clear line to cross when he moved into the gray region of international intrigues.
The Dems all got money from epstein,
Isnt if funny how neither epstein nor nassar no madoff nor weinstein (were untouchable for decades)
And that light should be a blue light.
Achilles: "How did a bunch of retards launch gliders at a beach and float over a giant wall at 30 miles an hour with guns and equipment and a radar signature of a small car through the Iron Dome and then run around live streaming atrocities for 12 hours?"
Isn't an ABM radar like Iron Dome aimed up, so that incoming missiles can be intercepted high enough that the blast doesn't hurt anyone and the bits scatter widely? Also something about distinguishing targets against a big open high sky versus a crowded lower sky?
The Pali para-things were lower altitude. Kind of the way helo pilots fly nap-of-the-earth. I doubt any radars were sweeping that low.
But yes, it's not an excuse. The Israelis seemed to have the missile scenario covered, and the onesie-twosie terrorist infiltration covered. A mass poor-man's conventional attack, with multiple simultaneous breaches and battalions worth of motorized forces zipping down the roads - that, they seem not to have considered.
Kind of how they were surprised by the Egyptians using Cairo Fire Department boats to wash away breaches in the sand palisades on the Suez. CC, JSM
Sorry for the threadjack. But it's kind of relevant. If you're an antisemite, relax: the Jews aren't ten feet tall. If you're a semitophile, don't relax: the Jews aren't ten feet tall! CC, JSM
By sheer coincidence, the scene AA quoted showed up in a Nicholas Cage clip YT fed me. I just looked it up, and it's from "The Family Man" (2000), in which Cage -- a smart financial type -- has his life altered by an angel (Don Cheadle) into a guy with a wife, four kids, and a job at a tire store. Impresses the banker type in the same way, for the same reason.
Nothing to do with Epstein, but it's nice to see Cage in a role that forces him to act like a human being (like the National Treasure movies).
Now, as for Epstein, I was wondering too how much "human trafficking" was involved. Seeing videos of numerous young women willing to sell themselves for a trip to Dubai and demanding "acts of service" (cash) from boyfriends, has made me wonder if they weren't willingly doing this.
Finally, what were these powerful men thinking letting themselves be photographed with young women?
Oh, here's the clip to "The Family Man." I'll have to watch this.
https://youtu.be/kic9XXqDYME
Yeah cages everyman roles as compared to some others he has chosen
Wasnt that michael caine or another one if these films
Lets not speak of the wicker man revamp
@JSM, if memory serves Iron Dome was specifically designed for BM-21 Grad 122mm rockets and other such projectiles closely adhering to artillery-style trajectories that made up 99% of incoming ordnance in Israel...at least that was until June of this year. It was absolutely designed as an active defense system from the start, but is not a dedicated ABM system per se.
"Anyway if Mossad somehow ran a honey trap operation that suborned Clinton, Trump, Bill Gates, and Kevin Spacey, then more credit to them. That's an argument for staying on the good side of Mossad instead of going all Hezbollah on their ass."
Yeah, lets all obey israel then, and support them no matter what. And give them anything they want.
Sorry no dice. Some of us are actually Americans. And proud of it.
Drew Pavlou 🇦🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼 on X: "The Sydney Morning Herald tried to publish a feel good opinion piece today about a “moderate” Muslim leader heading out to Bondi Beach to hug everyone and promote peace. We immediately found a sermon he delivered about October 7 saying “I WILL MAKE JIHAD!” Clown brigade. https://t.co/WodLOniZUU" / X https://share.google/tgYltP7YnDwAENGcK
RSM: Thanks for your superior technical knowledge! I can't find a cite for BM-21 max ord that's more specific than "several kilometers." If "several" means 3, than that's 9000 feet in the air. If you're trying to intercept on the way up, it's still over 4000 feet, which is certainly higher than the Pali para-thing, no? CC, JSM
“I suspect pimping and blackmail were sidelines for Epstein, if they were going on at all. There were all of the money shenanigans, and they spiraled into intelligence activities.“
Or it could have been the other way around. According to Mike Benz, one way Epstein might have been drawn into the world of money laundering for clandestine operations was through his mentor, Ace Greenberg, at Bear Stearns. Greenberg set up an account for BCCI - a bank favored by clandestine services - at Bear Stearns. If Epstein worked on any deals involving BCCI (and the New York Times story does not reveal who Epstein’s clients were), that could be how he became involved in the clandestine world. Being a fraudster at heart, additional fraud came naturally to him.
@JSM, most IADS (of which Iron Dome is "a part") these days are technically "horizon-to-horizon", which is specific to their detectors, not the interception systems itself. IOW they see everything, but different parts of the system are intended for different threats and complex programs are used to collate and prioritize threat information to ensure the right system is used for the right threat at the right time. The "time" aspect is critical because of the speeds involved, so ensuring the data is handed off to the appropriate part of the system is absolutely crucial.
I'm sure the system probably saw the threat, but there's a multitude of factors all the way from it was de-prioritized to threat-miscategorized to simply the observers didn't know what they were seeing. Detection is merely half the battle. Using the wrong tool for the appropriate threat can be worse than not detecting at all.
Who though fifteen jews would be murdered on bondi beach before christmas the gift of recognizing palestines
The times angle the city where they came from hyderabad
A major hub of the indian mujahadeen (but they dont focus on them
“Who though fifteen jews would be murdered on bondi beach before christmas the gift of recognizing palestines“
What does this have to do with Epstein. 2 comletely different topics. Why conflate them?
A failure of imagination re october 7th
Hybrid, Homegrown and Transnational: The Indian Mujahideen and the Islamist Terror Matrix - Jamestown https://share.google/PGLSpAzyYj6ubTp5C
And that failure leads to future catastrophes both the uk and here
The big threat are not the Jews but the terrorist scum and their zombie followers we find on college campuses
We have seen how witch hochul has reacted to these mobs
RSM: Thanks. "Using the wrong tool for the appropriate threat can be worse than not detecting at all."
That summarizes the entire October 7 reaction pretty well.
And maybe the reaction to Epstein. CC, JSM
If not for the open rebellion that barak was inciting hamas ciuld not have gotten away with october 7th
Most of israeli media except arutz sheva was in support of that lawfare
Eva: "What does this have to do with Epstein."
I think maybe the connection is that, while the left tries to find the anti-Trump pony in the poop pile of the Epstein records, we are distracted from real threats like terrorism. Just like the Israeli deep state and Left felt Bibi was a greater threat to their country than Hamas. Or like the Oz deep state and Left think prejudiced Anglo-Celtic Ozzies are a greater threat to their country than terrorists.
Extra flavor provided by the coincidence that Epstein is Jewish and people on both sides of the aisle want that to mean he's some kind of Zionist superspy. CC, JSM
bleh. So now we can’t talk about Epstein because he was Jewish?
Bingo
Purported Epstein letter that referenced President Trump is fake, DOJ says | New York Post https://share.google/iuh3TKiffMYHSBDPg
Now I understand why you white guys waste so much time on WW2. It’s the only safe topic.
Bring on another boring conversation about WW2 naval ships.
@JSM, Epstein was to Zionist superspy as Sopwith Camel is to Arrow ABM...hindsight 20/20 the completely wrong Mossad tool for the job, "math chops" or no.
BTW the Powell and Pressburger movie Pursuit of the Graf Spee. Very good WW2 naval movie. Right up your alley.
Eva: We can certainly talk about him. I submit that rubbing our hands about who we're going to catch in some ghastly act with him, or which US officials were pawns of the Zionist Entity, is a waste of breath and a distraction from serious existential problems. CC, JSM
john mosby said...
Isn't an ABM radar like Iron Dome aimed up, so that incoming missiles can be intercepted high enough that the blast doesn't hurt anyone and the bits scatter widely? Also something about distinguishing targets against a big open high sky versus a crowded lower sky?
Not like that. Without getting too specific RADAR works like any other EM wave. It goes out it and it comes back when it bounces off of something. You can make them directional but they are going to see everything from horizon to horizon. There is no downside to seeing everything and it doesn't take any extra effort. The only thing that is likely is the arrays were set to a 180 or a 120 degree arc at most facing Gaza to increase gain. But that means they could set it farther back to gain standoff or increase coverage angle.
There are several different layers to the anti missile system. For the systems I worked on they could be used against anything from missiles to planes to helicopters. The limiting factors were speed of the target and "reflectivity" of whatever you were tracking. They would have been able to count dick wrinkles on an idiot on a paraglider.
Somehow they had the entire Iranian leadership command structure mapped out. They knew where every Syrian military leader was. But they didn't know several hundred mouth breathers in Gaza were about to go on a multi minute paraglide trip over a quarter mile demilitarized zone.
I jumped out of airplanes for training for military operations. During the minute or so you are floating down a thought would sometimes creep into your head: "This would be really bad if there were people down there with guns."
If you launch a hundred rockets over a wall and 99 of them get shot down, who thinks it would be a good idea to jump on a paraglider and spend several minutes in the air like that? Maybe the leaders of Gaza wanted to get rid of a bunch of retards and were pleasantly surprised when they didn't get annihilated?
narciso said...
Who though fifteen jews would be murdered on bondi beach before christmas the gift of recognizing palestines
The religion of peace muslim immigrants were given 6 weapon permits by a government that forced their natives to participate in a gun buyback scheme.
I think the Australian government planned for this to happen and wanted this to happen for a variety of reasons.
One more time, Epstein worked with ALL of the intelligence agencies. Saudi, Israeli, US, British and any other ones he could launder money for (so the supposition goes). It’s important because the intelligence agencies are evolving into a super government dictating to our elected leaders what they can and cannot do. We’ve seen this with our CIA and the Russian collusion hoax. We’ve seen this with the 2020 election. What cuold be more important than analyzing how they work together
Well we think about more than the Roman Empire grin
All those other parties might have been why he was unaccountable see prince andrew
The hunt for the bismark was good as well
I agree with what Eva says.
I just want to know why Trump is covering for it.
“I just want to know why Trump is covering for it.” Very good point. Maybe that’s how powerful they are.
Furthermore since steve emerson and robert kaplan the increasing arab influence from the gulf states far exceeds israels influence in academia media and government
Take bcci that had a similar influence among dem figures like carter and andrew young whose federal investigation was shut down by mueller on bill barrs orders
Even then, they were deep state players
The supposed letter to nassar was fake (who included it)
At that time future king salman was the governor of riiyadh province and a major supporter of the afghan arabs who would become al queda
This is the business the prince has tried to ger out of
Eva: "It’s important because the intelligence agencies are evolving into a super government dictating to our elected leaders what they can and cannot do. ...What cuold be more important than analyzing how they work together"
Excellent. I have not thought of this. Trump and his direct reports could make Epstein into a case study of IC shenanigans. Why hasn't he? I don't think it's because he, Grenell, Tulsi, Bondi, etc, are all somehow compromised. I don't think it's because the deep IC have convinced them that bringing down the whole system would be worse than any possible gain from exposing its malfunctions.
It's possible that the political optics are just too bad, what with the sex trafficking and all, and would drown out any object lesson.
It's also possible that Trump's pirate-ship crew are having a series of monumental ass-chewings with the professional staff, demanding to be shown exactly how a sex trafficker was allowed to operate for so long, what exactly was so fucking important on a strategic level that could possibly justify this crap, what other colossal upside-down goat fucks are still going on, etc. Those ass-chewings would not leak out, because none of the leaker class would benefit.
We'll find out in 50 years, I guess. CC, JSM
Its a minefield not only in this country
“Now I understand why you white guys waste so much time on WW2. It’s the only safe topic.“
No the only safe topic is gay and lesbian sex, and the permutations and combinations thereof.
"Now I understand why you white guys waste so much time on WW2. It’s the only safe topic."
Its why you are what you are, why the modern world is what it is. Whats surprising is why its been so academically ignored.
WW2 is the origin story of most of the worlds intelligence agencies.
John Mosby 4:50
Indeed.
Certainly the french and americans grew out of that experience and the institute (mossad) by extension
Degaulle unlike the socialists was not keen on israel and became more arabist as time went on
One possibility is that the team Trump is accommodating the intelligence community, allowing Trump to wield the threat of full disclosure as leverage. A worried CIA is an obedient CIA.
“Its why you are what you are, why the modern world is what it is. Whats surprising is why its been so academically ignored.“
1. You may be right. I was just exasperated that the spy thread was being used to discuss other topics. All spy threads should be sacrosanct.
2. But I wasn’t appointed hall monitor so just scroll past my complaints.
A Schumer stated, "they have six ways from Sunday" to get back at you if you upset them.
AFAIK, the OBVIOUS question has not been asked of Chuckie and other oversight members: "Does that apply to you, too?"
The journalist's motto: "Semper Non Compos Mentis"
Eva Marie,
WWII capital ships -- The American ones at least -- represented the absolute pinnacle of electro-mechanical analog computer design. That alone is worth taking some thinking time off from the Roman Empire.
When my dad was at USNA after the war, the only option in their studies was the choice of foreign language. They all had to learn how the latest mechanical firing-solution computer worked. Never needed again.
The only time in 30 years my dad was more or less in combat, in '69, he took some smaller Navy craft up the Mekong in the back of his amphibious LSD, which has a flap in the back for small vessels or vehicles to go up the hollow middle of the ship. I've long wondered if John Kerry's swift boat was among them, maybe long after he cashed in his 3 Purple Hearts. They were fired upon from the shore. In '70, the Navy gave Dad a Bronze Star for not screwing up, he said, and a Captain's fourth bar.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/18/us/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9k8.hJA4.V-TEdy_PPkxV&smid=url-share
Wow! A very long free article in the NYT about the Epstein-Trump hunt for nookie covering many years.
Even hitler started somewhere. At this point it is becoming a farce. What is even the story about? The famous person who took advantage of children - allegedly, the facilitator, or the victims?
Just a pillow till the story stops moving
gadfly said...
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/18/us/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9k8.hJA4.V-TEdy_PPkxV&smid=url-share
Wow! A very long free article in the NYT about the Epstein-Trump hunt for nookie covering many years.
And somehow the Biden Administration after spending over 100 million dollars trying to throw Trump in jail couldn't find that.
Democrats are just really fucking stupid people.
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