What's the "frenzy" supposedly in need of a legislative solution?
In the northwestern Brazilian state of Amazonas, one lawmaker, João Luiz, recently carried one of the dolls into the legislature and argued, without evidence, that some women have been demanding public benefits for the dolls. His colleague Joana Darc also voiced concern.
“You just can’t force a doctor in a hospital, for example, to treat a reborn doll as if it were a child, which is a living being,” she said on the floor. “You can’t force a teacher to accept a child in a day care center because the person wants the reborn doll to study.”...
At least 30 bills have been filed in legislative houses across the country to bar the dolls from receiving services in public health facilities, according to public records. But there appears to have been just one documented case of a woman with a psychiatric disorder showing up at a hospital to seek treatment for her doll, only to be turned away at the entrance....
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Nothing a little daily dribble of Thorazine won't fix right up.
After reading this blog entry, I immediately thought of the life like mannequin used by a bridal shop in Chihuahua, Mexico. The dummy was eventually named La Pascualita and is said to be the embalmed corpse of a real-life woman who died on her wedding night of a broken heart or suicide or something.
Does "incredibly lifelike" mean the same thing as "anatomically correct"?
Though as I write this, I now wonder what that phrase even means not. Would a Dylan Mulvaney doll have a penis or a vagina? Or maybe a Barbie Pouch?
Would it be transphobic to want a Dylan doll with a Barbie Pouch?
John Henry
Anthropomorphic therapy. A queer conception, a weird progression. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #PlasticPlays #EmogiSupportDolls
If they're anything like Kim Cattrall in the movie Mannequin, count me in.
Dollphobia run amok. If the doll recognizes as a child, then it should get equal treatment.
Someone busted out a sly smile, and that's just not OK.
It all started with "emotional support animals" being allowed on planes. When the first four-foot-wide pig fancier got a Southwest economy-class boarding pass for her squealing porker, this doll problem became inevitable. It was just Brazil's bad fortune to host the first outbreak of lifelike doll insanity, and if not for last November's red wave, we'd be dealing with it here as well.
Can you throw the doll in the garbage? Can you stab it with a knife? Can you draw on its face with markers?
Walk away from the slippery slope doll legislation.
"argued, without evidence". That's how we'd know it was from the NYT, even if Althouse hadn't told us.
April 1st can't come soon enough.
"argued, without evidence"
The reporter argued the lawmaker did that. Was any evidence provided to support the reporter's argument or was it made without evidence?
"Michael Levenson covers breaking news for The Times from New York."
Good for him. The link to the Times actually worked and allowed me to open their home page and scroll down through the articles.
I feel like I just received an estrogen injection. The good stuff, directly from the ovaries of an upscale New York lady.
These dolls are downright spooky. Google reborn baby dolls and you’ll see.
In California, when I saw everyone zipping by in the carpool lane, I used to fantasize about buying one, putting it in a car seat, getting a baby on board sticker for my bumper, tossing some baby toys in the car.
Reborn as a latex appliance?
Can they be configured with Mechanical Intelligence (MI)? Grok is a rude semantic designation. Genesis was conceived by Umbrella corporation.
... Alexa, are you connected?
"Because women are doing it and women are the principal actors in this, it’s been stigmatized differently.... just another way to regulate women’s lives."
Her argument would be more persuasive if she'd maybe pointed to a case where a man brought his RealDoll into the hospital for an STD check.
Do they wail if you give 'em a whippin'?
Not sure I understand what exactly is the problem here, aside from crazy harpies with realistic dolls and hyperventilating politicians desperate for a distraction from their malfeasance. Really, it's better than emotional support animals, which can crap or throw up, or bite. So - everybody's better off with a doll - as long as it doesn't turn out to be Chucky.
"... a doctoral candidate in political science ..."
Can't ever have enough of those!
Some of these dolls are idealized six-monthers with all of the charm and none of the stink of the real thing.
And then we have dolls that must have been designed for latent pedophiles trying to stay out of jail.
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Today’s psychiatric disorder is tomorrow’s newest diversity group.
Kate said...
Can you throw the doll in the garbage? Can you stab it with a knife? Can you draw on its face with markers?
That is actually an interesting legal question.
1) Does the doll look like it is under 18. If so, found 1 court, you are not allowed to use it for bondage, beating or other sexual gratification.
2) If the doll looks older than 18 can you mistreat it. Tie it up, beat it, stab it and whatnot.
3) How can a court determine how old a doll "looks"?
John Henry
Ava Gardner in One Touch of Venus
Not a doll, but still a doll, if you know what I mean.
When I read "argued, without evidence, that some women have been demanding public benefits for the dolls" I knew I was reading something from the NYT, which I believe holds the copyright on the phrase "argued without evidence".
And then we have a few freaked-out nightmares worthy of a supporting role in a “Chucky” horror flick.
This one looks like your favorite uncle reincarnated with all his memories of your ridiculously inept childhood intact and fresh as morning dew.
Regarding my 5:05 comment. I got the links mixed up.
This is doll I consider too pervy in the extreme, a sublimated crime against nature.
How can the doll be “reborn” if it never was born?
Where do you draw the line between being ultra-realistic (and therefore worthy of being entitled to limited services) and just kind of realistic?
"Can you throw the doll in the garbage? Can you stab it with a knife? Can you draw on its face with markers?"
If the doll isn't baptized does it end up in Limbo if it gets broken? No doubt a lively issue in Catholic Brazil.
You have no idea how many questions we peppered the nuns with when for Confirmation they taught us the Catechism on Limbo and babies who die unbaptized. I'm sure they deeply regretted bringing the whole thing up.
I remember reading about these:
“back in the early 2000s, Japan had this quirky trend where people would take their dolls—especially hyper-realistic ones like Ball-Jointed Dolls (BJDs) or love dolls—on cruises and vacations. It was part of the broader “doll culture” tied to otaku and collector communities. Owners treated these dolls like companions, dressing them up, posing them for photos at scenic spots, and even booking them seats or cabins on cruises. Some cruise lines leaned into it, offering doll-friendly packages with special events or photo ops.
The fad peaked around 2005-2010 but fizzled out as social media shifted focus to other trends. It still pops up occasionally among niche hobbyists, especially in doll enthusiast circles on platforms like X.”(Grok)
What's the "frenzy" supposedly in need of a legislative solution?
Maybe they're worried somebody's going to abort a doll out in public.
Are they reborn or unborn?
Possibly they are worried about doll-fucking. I know feminists sometimes worry about those damn doll-fuckers.
I'll acquit anybody who fucks a doll in the privacy of her own home. You want to put peanut-butter on your little doll baby and lick her out to a non-orgasm? I acquit! Go home, you weirdo.
Actually I think I'm going to blame Alexandre de Moraes.
"Look, dolls!"
My daughter has a couple of Reborns. About 10 years ago she wanted to go to a Reborn "conference" in Utah, so we went for a couple of days before doing some much more fun visiting of National Parks, etc. The "conference" was weird. Grown women pushing baby carriages around containing Reborns was a common sight. My daughter has since lost interest in Reborns.
Has anybody seen the ads for the "body length pillow"? Haven't seen a male in one but, the women in the ads look like they're fornicating with the pillow.
By coincidence, I’ve just started watching “Lars and the Real Girl”, which concerns this very topic. Strange movie, but Ryan Gosling is fun to watch.
Hegelian: "You have no idea how many questions we peppered the nuns with when for Confirmation they taught us the Catechism on Limbo and babies who die unbaptized. "
In the 70s play "Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All for You," the nun shows an artist's conception of Limbo as a giant playpen, with happy babies crawling around inside.
JSM
What do you tell a reborn doll with two black eyes?
I recently went on a week-long vacation, courtesy of a old lover of mine. It was a lovely timeshare on Panama CIty Beach. She paid for everything except my gas on the ten hour ride there. She also brought along a full body-length pillow that she slept with, her on her side, the pillow facing her in a position as a man would be. She told me she cannot sleep without it. I will not be going on any more vacation with this woman.
This doll culture is a subplot in the Con Man show written by Alan Tudyk (which is an okay show, but interesting look at comic and sci fi convention stuff)
Here's the episode.
So, no one else has watched "Servant" on Apple+? One of these dolls is a major plot point, at least at the beginning of the series. Pretty good, creepy show, but (like most, it seems) goes off the rails a bit by the end.
Speaking as someone who lives near the nightmare-inducing Cabbage Patch Doll Hospital and delivery room (they emerge from cabbages, I'm told), the solution may be more nightmare -inducing doll hospitals. This one even has a neo-natal clinic.
In fairness, it is the rare pro-life attraction for kids and donates lots of money for real children.
Women are the primary players?
Men have been making life-sized hyper realistic "female playmates" for a very long time. They spend $5K or $10K on each one. See real doll dot com.
Women make babies. Men make love. Those with dead-end dysfunctional psychology spend their resources on dolls.
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"Would a Dylan Mulvaney doll have a penis or a vagina? "
The Dylan Doll package comes with TWO...uh... packages included in the base model price. Just five minutes and your Dylan Doll can transition in either directions.*
A hot tun, a Dylan Doll and a Bud Light. What could be better?
* Some tools required
Biden could have saved us a lot of trouble if instead of opening the border he had extended voting rights to reborns, mannequins, and sex dolls.
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