Althouse: "President Donald Trump pressed South African President Cyril Ramaphosa to protect White Afrikaner farmers from violent attacks in an extraordinary Oval Office conversation..."

May 21, 2025

"President Donald Trump pressed South African President Cyril Ramaphosa to protect White Afrikaner farmers from violent attacks in an extraordinary Oval Office conversation..."

"... in which Trump made no mention of the African nation’s long-standing epidemic of violence against both White and Black people, nor its violent and discriminatory history of White rule. Trump amplified false claims that White Afrikaners have been victims of a genocide, even showing video of crosses and earthen mounds that he said represented more than 1,000 grave sites of murdered farmers. The mounds were in fact part of a protest against the violence, not actual graves. Ramaphosa stared straight ahead, wiping his face and occasionally moving in his seat and looking over at Trump, who wouldn’t make eye contact as a clip played of crowds repeatedly shouting, 'Kill the Boers,' a reference to White farmers descended from colonists who built and led the nation’s racist apartheid regime...."

WaPo reports.

106 comments:

Marty said...: Ah, such a straightforward, objective report by such a neutral, reputable "news" source. Got it, guys: it's only bad when it happens to our team.; 5/21/25, 2:19 PM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: So much for Bezos forcing the WaPo to the center or even attempting a balanced informative style. Holy smokes! It reads like an article written by a commie eighth grader using AI.; 5/21/25, 2:20 PM
Hassayamper said...: The mounds were in fact part of a protest against the violence, not actual graves.

Well, no shit, that should be plainly obvious to anyone who looks at the pictures, and no one ever claimed otherwise. That's why Trump said they "represented" the farmers killed.

The news media are lying scum. Absolute enemy scum. We should never miss any opportunity to heap shit on them and drive them out of business.; 5/21/25, 2:21 PM
narciso said...: dispatch from the twilight zone
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2025/05/21/trump-makes-sa-pres-watch-vid-of-anti-white-genocidal-rhetoric-n2413129; 5/21/25, 2:24 PM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: I'd like to propose an amendment to Althouse Rule on "Calls for Civility." The amendment in its entirety is Calls for 'context' are always bullshit. Today's example is :
"... in which Trump made no mention of ..."

It is simply a vehicle for the writer to editorialize within an ostensible "news" story. It is clearly Context Bullshit.; 5/21/25, 2:24 PM
TeaBagHag said...: Argentina welcomed Nazi’s after the holocaust, ‘murica rolls out the red carpet for the real victims of apartheid, the boers.; 5/21/25, 2:25 PM
Xmas said...: South Africa has been on a downward spiral. They've lost reliable electricity. This means they'll lose access to their mineral wealth as you can't mine platinum if your miners can't breath. It's ironic that they are following the Zimbabwe route of purging their most productive farmers, since they had to bail Zimbabwe out by allowing them to use the SA rand for Zimbabwe's official currency.; 5/21/25, 2:25 PM
narciso said...: under the previous occupant zuma, the country was run by indian gangsters and some nigerian mobsters, splitting the action, the work of Deon Meyer is illuminating on this score,

under this more respectable cyril, the parliament has pushed a draconian land reform, that will plunge the country into the same hell that Zimbabwe suffered; 5/21/25, 2:28 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: Before the British, before the Dutch, there were the Nguni and Zulu civil wars during the "Mfecane", specifically the genocidal depredations of King Shaka which may have been responsible for the deaths of up to 2 million Bantu-speaking people in Southern Africa.

Zero whites. Way before the "Great Trek" of the Boers. Just black tribes killing and enslaving each other. But sure, let's blame Europeans some more for the murderous human condition every race of people on this planet share.; 5/21/25, 2:28 PM
narciso said...: of course this is the same South Africa, that was a party to the ICC farce against Israel, because of Iranian assistance,; 5/21/25, 2:29 PM
Skeptical Voter said...: Fairly rude by Trump--but then rude by the South African President to blow a bunch of smoke.; 5/21/25, 2:30 PM
narciso said...: head honcho Karim Khan, who has sticky fingers like Pachauri formerly of the IPCC, the Sky dragon wranglers

ironically these recent events happened in a tacit coalition wit the South African liberals, the Democratic Alliance,; 5/21/25, 2:31 PM
narciso said...: after 30 years of ANC single party rule, there should be some assessment of what it has wrought the collapse of Civil Order making it one of the more violent places on earth, of course they folllowed the Net Zero fantasy,; 5/21/25, 2:35 PM
Bob B said...: Based on the accuracy of the report, it seemsWaPo’s “Biden’s sharp as a tack” experts have transferred to being WaPo’s South African experts.; 5/21/25, 2:37 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: Thanks for the Unbiased reporting Wapo! LOL.

1) Why should Trump have mentioned black v. black violence or talked about Aparthaid, now dead for 30 years?

2) The fact that the WaPo asserts "the claims are false" is not supported by any evidence or source. Its not even clear what "claims" are supposedly "false".

3) Either S/A whites are being killed without any intervention by the Government to protect them or they're not. Either white S/A are being racially discrimnated or they're not. This is 2025, and it doesn't matter what happened 30 years ago.

4) The correct response to the claims of discrimination against whites and turning a blind eye to murdered Boer farmers isn't, "blah, blah, how dare you?". Its: no, we're not doing that and this is not happening and here are the facts that prove it.

5) Of course if Jews in S/A were claiming blacks were killing them or they were discriminated against because they were Jews, the WaPo would have written the same sort of article. Yes, indeed.; 5/21/25, 2:37 PM
narciso said...: A country rich in resources, gold uranium platinum, presided over by another camarilla,; 5/21/25, 2:38 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: I totally support Ramaphosa's government policy of "kill the boer" and to a greater extent to send all white people packing somewhere else. Once all the white folks leave, S. Africa's economy will boom.

Everyone left in S. Africa will be billionaires just like Zimbabwe, now that's some reparations!; 5/21/25, 2:38 PM
narciso said...: the same sort that seem the gaza 'genocide and famine' sometimes the same bylines,; 5/21/25, 2:39 PM
Dave Begley said...: A native South African spoke at the WH. He's a PGA golfer. He said that his dad had personal knowledge of farmer-neighbors being killed by Blacks.

The WaPo has hit a new low for lying.; 5/21/25, 2:39 PM
n.n said...: Native population. Imperial divestment with "benefits".
Diversity (e.g. DEI). Retributive and redistributive change under a progressive constitution with established Pro-Choice religion that entertains abortive ideation. Ka-catastrophe.; 5/21/25, 2:41 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: The ANC is a leftwing Government and like the Leftwing Government in Spain 1936, Russia 1917, Chile 1970s, etc. is doing a standard trick. At first the Government doesn't kill the group they dislike. They just send the word out: " Its open season on Group X". And mysteriously killers aren't arrested or brought to justice and despite all the protestions that the Government is "really really upset about this" nothing is actually done.

Its this tactic that brought about the spainish civil war. The Conservative party leader (think Speaker Johnson) was murdered by leftist thugs and the Republican Government did nothing except shrug its shoulders and go "Gosh, thats sad".; 5/21/25, 2:43 PM
narciso said...: curiously this is the advice, the critical race adjacent Frantz Fanon would have recommended, a small irony the Company protected the Martinique born physician from the pied noirs and the plastiquers,; 5/21/25, 2:45 PM
Hassayamper said...: Either S/A whites are being killed without any intervention by the Government to protect them or they're not.

They are, and government ministers are leading songs and chants to praise it and push for more of it.; 5/21/25, 2:47 PM
narciso said...: similar things preceded the Guatemalan coup of '53, the left had killed a certain up and coming military leader,; 5/21/25, 2:47 PM
Jim at said...: Trump amplified false claims...

Stopped reading right there.; 5/21/25, 2:48 PM
Wince said...: Shall we play "Heads WaPo wins, Tails Trump looses?

President Donald Trump pressed South African President Cyril Ramaphosa to protect White Afrikaner farmers from violent attacks in an extraordinary Oval Office conversation...

Heads:
in which Trump made no mention of the African nation’s long-standing epidemic of violence against both White and Black people, nor its violent and discriminatory history of White rule.

Tails (had Trump mentioned the history):
in which Trump lectured South African President Cyril Ramaphosa about the African nation’s long-standing epidemic of violence against both White and Black people, and the ongoing violent and discriminatory history of Black rule.; 5/21/25, 2:48 PM
narciso said...: Arbenz did not entirely succeed because of his charm,; 5/21/25, 2:48 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: The good thing about what Trump is doing? It shows that frauds like the Leftwing Episcopal Church aren't really in favor of refugees because "Thats what Jesus would do". If they did, they'd be helping the white south africans.

But no, they don't want the white south africans to be helped. Its all racial politics with them. Not Christianity.; 5/21/25, 2:48 PM
narciso said...: oh no, italics,; 5/21/25, 2:48 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: Oh, someone started italics thing. Oh, how.... surprising.; 5/21/25, 2:49 PM
narciso said...: Mind you, this is exactly the outcome the 'two state solution' would lead with Israel, we saw a little flavor of this, with October 7th,; 5/21/25, 2:52 PM
Tank said...: Evidence of this has been in documentaries and non-legacy news for at least a decade. I've been following it that long. Being a golfer, great to see two great South African golfers, Goosen and Els, there in the White House to tell the truth. God bless them and Pres. Trump for attacking this head on. As always, legacy media are scum.; 5/21/25, 2:52 PM
rhhardin said...: There's a theory that you need a certain percentage of smart people to run a Western democracy - enough smart people to carry the load for the rest in keeping the government on the right track. Hence no black run democracies.

Not that there aren't smart people but that there aren't enough of them relative to the population.; 5/21/25, 2:54 PM
D.D. Driver said...: Sucks for the Afrikaners but I'd rather have my tax money. Why are we letting these losers into our Country? They had a country and lost it. Let some other country be the charity. Let Canada take them. We have enough problems without more loser refugees from shithole countries.; 5/21/25, 2:54 PM
Big Mike said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 5/21/25, 2:55 PM
narciso said...: this is not an accident as Umkhonto we Sizwe and Fatah were trained by East Bloc agents, the former was the military arm of the ANC; 5/21/25, 2:57 PM
rhhardin said...: The US has people saying tax stuff away from the rich but there's enough people who know better that it doesn't happen.

We have women voting now though so who knows.; 5/21/25, 2:58 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: off; 5/21/25, 2:59 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: Depending on who you ask, the European Age Of Discovery started in 1418. In 607 years, an incredibly small minority of Europeans essentially terraformed wastelands, modernized every society on the planet (even those they didn't directly conquer), closed the frontier, and became the dominant cultural force on Earth.

In 607 years a small minority of Europeans have done what people they encountered would not have even conceived possible in 6000, and I want to go back. I also want the people who have appropriated our culture as much as we've appropriated theirs to go back to.

Let's all go back to the time before 1418 when everything was clean and pure as driven snow and test the modern academic theory that access to Europeans, their culture and their technology is a human right for everyone that's not European. Let's start over and see how everyone "turns out".

Equality of opportunity does not lead to equality of results, especially when the people wanting equality of results never took the fucking opportunity in the first place.

In the year 2632, everything will have turned out exactly the same, I give you odds.; 5/21/25, 2:59 PM
Tina Trent said...: It does meet the definition of genocide: government leaders encourage murdering whites. They also do nothing to prevent black-on-black crime, nor to improve living conditions for the millions of destitute black citizens. Despite being an incredibly tiny proportion of the population, whites are still murdered at a higher rate than blacks.

The leaders of South Africa squandered an extraordinary reserve of resources and goodwill when apartheid ended. Now it is their turn to stop persecuting both white and black citizens. There is nothing wrong with this diplomatic stance. Trump will follow the stick with the carrot, if he hasn't done so already (which the fetid Post would never report) That's diplomacy.; 5/21/25, 2:59 PM
Ampersand said...: I know my Democrat neighbors here in Southern California will be happy to play the double game of simultaneously claiming that these racially-based killings aren't happening, and that, if they were, they would merely an unfortunate byproduct of a search for equity. It's sort of like the way they saying that Biden was all there, and if he weren't it would be better to have ga-ga Biden instead of Hitler/Trump.; 5/21/25, 2:59 PM
Wince said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 5/21/25, 3:00 PM
Sebastian said...: "crowds repeatedly shouting, 'Kill the Boers,'" Other than that, everything's fine.; 5/21/25, 3:03 PM
Big Mike said...: I assume that the plan is for someone at the Washington Post to wait until the last white farmer has been murdered and his wife and daughters raped and murdered, then team with someone like NBC Chief White House Correspondent Peter Alexander to write a “tell all” book about how they were deceived (deceived I tell you!), that Republicans were right about what was going on in South Africa, and therefore the US should have allowed in more South African farmer refugees. Too bad we can’t do that, though, because all the white farmers are dead.

Hardcover available for preorder on Amazon for just $27.50.; 5/21/25, 3:03 PM
Tina Trent said...: I have known a handful of Afrikaners by marriage or birth, and they have sponsored their black former employees to come to the U.S.; 5/21/25, 3:05 PM
J Severs said...: Boer Lives Matter; 5/21/25, 3:06 PM
Tina Trent said...: I hate to reflect Jupiter and Hardin's knee-jerk, usually (not always) not funny enough to be fun raw sexism, but I imagine we share the view that teabaghag is not a stellar example of womanhood.; 5/21/25, 3:10 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: @Big Mike, the asshats at the WaPo would gladly spend billions of our dollars and saving some variety of endangered Kudu before they ever helped a African, or a white S. African...or a homo sapien of any kind for that matter. When it comes to extinction and endangered species, they love everything except humans.; 5/21/25, 3:11 PM
Iman said...: These WaPoo “reporters” must have their heads up their backsides to not know this has been happening for at least a couple of decades now.; 5/21/25, 3:17 PM
narciso said...: https://redstate.com/rusty-weiss/2025/05/21/trump-humiliates-nbc-news-reporter-during-white-house-exchange-he-unwisely-came-back-for-more-n2189396; 5/21/25, 3:17 PM
Jupiter said...: "The mounds were in fact part of a protest against the violence, not actual graves."
Yeah, that's what "represent" means. Bezos is really scraping the bottom.; 5/21/25, 3:22 PM
rhhardin said...: Nelson Mandela was one of the smart ones but he was outnumbered in the end.; 5/21/25, 3:29 PM
narciso said...: of course, the brits weren't above employing executive outcomes, headed by a former South African commando,
Eben Barlow, in their peace keeping works in Sierra Leone; 5/21/25, 3:30 PM
Quaestor said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 5/21/25, 3:30 PM
Aggie said...: South Africa is well on its way to following the example of its neighbor, Zimbabwe. The transformation of Rhodesia into Zimbabwe is a success story, if you're prone to be a totalitarian leader with enough smarts to surround yourself with like-minded, but not quite-as-smart goons who also see opportunity. There's still plenty to steal. Rhodesia was once considered the bread basket of Africa, and now its people routinely starve. South Africa will get there. But sure - Trump is bad for pointing these things out and bringing a little heat in front of the cameras, while the UN postures.; 5/21/25, 3:32 PM
Big Mike said...: ... in which Trump made no mention of the African nation’s long-standing epidemic of violence against both White and Black people, nor its violent and discriminatory history of White rule.

And, clearly, de Klerk should have left Nelson Mandela to die in prison l, confined apartheid, and arrange a white successor at least as brutal as he was in his prime, the better to prevent black on white genocide in the 2020s.

Perhaps it’s because working in high tech made me look forward, not back, but I believe people need to look only look backwards to avoid repeating mistakes. Yes, South Africa has had a nasty, bloody history. Is that an excuse to be perpetuating the blood and the violence? Or is it a reason to keep killing each other until everyone is dead? Nelson Mandela was released from prison 35 years ago, and he became South Africa’s leader just 4 years later. Is there a statute of limitations? Or is everyone supposed to pretend it’s 1989 forever?

(If there’s no statute of limitations then I have dibs on killing Italians for what Roman Emperor Diocletian did to my Christian ancestors a few centuries back.)

Trump amplified false claims that White Afrikaners [sic] have been victims of a genocide …

Except the claims are not false.; 5/21/25, 3:33 PM
Jupiter said...: "... I imagine we share the view that teabaghag is not a stellar example of womanhood."
Actually, it was not my impression that teabaghag is female, although I haven't given it much thought. Vicki in Pasadena, yes. TBH, no. Not sure why, I'll try to figure it out.; 5/21/25, 3:33 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: Aggie said, "Rhodesia was once considered the bread basket of Africa, and now its people routinely starve."

But they'll all be billionaires! Why do you hate the idea of S. Africans being billionaires too, Aggie?; 5/21/25, 3:38 PM
Jupiter said...: "raw sexism"? Hmmmm. OK, I guess. I think that women voting has been a catastrophe. And I think that women taking over the universities has been a catastrophe. I'll allow that those views qualify as "sexist". So long as we agree that doesn't mean they're not factually correct.; 5/21/25, 3:38 PM
narciso said...: Wilbur Smith's Courtney series, illuminates the good and the the bad in that era of colonial and post colonialist in Rhodesia as well as South Africa, and some elements in Kenya,; 5/21/25, 3:42 PM
pacwest said...: You've got your bad genocides and your good genocides it seems.; 5/21/25, 3:44 PM
Quaestor said...: "They had a country and lost it."

They had their country taken from them by chiefly the United States waging economic war on South Africa and financing the ANC to the tune of billions of dollars paid in blackmail. Mandela threatened to make South Africa into a satellite of the Soviet Union unless the West bribed him to favor the West once he became the maximum leader of a post-Boer regime.

In defence of that blackmail, Mandela suppressed the some of racist elements within his party while he lived, but he was always guilty of ignoring the crimes of death squads.; 5/21/25, 3:50 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: @narciso, According to this map, European colonization was the best thing that ever happened for Africa, and it's still paying dividends decades after it ended.; 5/21/25, 3:53 PM
chuck said...: I believe the Bantus are colonizers. The Khoisan were the inhabitants when the Dutch arrived.; 5/21/25, 3:54 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: Doesn't count chuck. Bantus weren't white.; 5/21/25, 3:56 PM
YoungHegelian said...: Why are we even debating this?

I can reel off at least five or six Marxist states (and the roots of the ANC are pretty thoroughly commie if you look into them) that all went by the same playbook:

1) Take over power and promise landowners that their holdings would be protected.

2) Find a reason that the landowners are enemies of the state (“Kulaks”) and expropriate their lands and turn them over the regime’s favored group.

3) The regime’s favorite group proves totally incompetent at farming the newly seized lands.

4) The state takes over full control of the seized lands (“forced collectivization”).

5) State control proves disastrous. In at least 3 of the 6 examples I can think off, mass famine results, with casualties in the millions. In all of them, agricultural production basically never recovers in comparison to privately held farms around the world.

Just wait, within a decade there will be famine in South Africa. Remember, you heard it here first.; 5/21/25, 4:05 PM
Clyde said...: "False claims." Like the "false claims" that Joe Biden was cognitively impaired. Do not trust MSM; MSM is asshoe.; 5/21/25, 4:19 PM
Greg The Class Traitor said...: It's dishonest propagandizing from the WaPo, not "reporting", so "the WaPo reports" is wrong.; 5/21/25, 4:50 PM
Yancey Ward said...: It is a mostly peaceful genocide according to WaPo.

The simple fact that is if you are white, get out of South Africa as soon as possible. It is only a matter of time until the blood flows like a river instead of a stream.; 5/21/25, 4:52 PM
Greg The Class Traitor said...: TeaBagHag said...
Argentina welcomed Nazi’s after the holocaust, ‘murica rolls out the red carpet for the real victims of apartheid, the boers.

Apartheid is over, dumbshit. South Africa has rule by the majority blacks.

So why are you whining about the US helping to remove the "colonialist oppressors" whites from South Africa?

Deport every single white South African to America, and leave South Africa to the "native" blacks. Isn't that what you want?

No? You want the whites to stay there so that all of them, men, women, and children born after the ANC came to power, can all be murdered?

Yeah, do tell us what a fine, upstanding, moral person you are, Hag; 5/21/25, 4:52 PM
Laslo Spatula said...: Ah, South Africa.

But at least in 1985 we got the song "(I Ain't Gonna Play) Sun City" from such luminaries of the time like Jackson Browne and the girlfriend he beat up.

Unfortunately, Bob Dylan got involved, too. But that was 1980s Bob Dylan; we know about 1980s Bob Dylan.

But a lesson for Bob that is as true now as it was in the Eighties: if Bruce Springsteen is standing next to you at the catered charity-political-celebrity gig, it is best to slide out the back and get in the next available taxi to anywhere else. Let him be the one stuck hanging out with Bono…

I am Laslo.; 5/21/25, 4:57 PM
TeaBagHag said...: Greg Ass Trader, I also cry huge, salty tears for those poor souls that got hung at Nuremberg.
Won’t someone please save some grace for the murderers of millions?; 5/21/25, 4:59 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: Yancey Ward said, "It is only a matter of time until the blood flows like a river instead of a stream."

The same people you're telling to leave are the descendants of the same voortrekkers who defeated 30,000 Zulus decisively with just 464 people. No wonder they're scared of Boers, look what they can do when properly motivated.

If I where Ramaphosa I'd want them gone too lest my friends and I got our collective asses handed to us again by a bunch of farmers.; 5/21/25, 5:03 PM
Yancey Ward said...: That was a different time and world, Space Mountain. The west Europeans will literally arm the South African government with modern weapons if it comes to a shooting war between the remaining whites and the South African government.; 5/21/25, 5:08 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: Yes, the white south africans were under economic pressure but they refused to take radical action. The only sensible thing was to get rid of aparthiad, and divide the country into two parts - one white, one black. But that would've meant no more cheap black labor.

As someone once said, White South Africa would rather die in their beds, then make them. That was their downfall.; 5/21/25, 5:08 PM
Lazarus said...: It's taking a page from Samantha Powers's book: spot the signs of developing genocide early and take action.; 5/21/25, 5:17 PM
Enigma said...: The clip of an entire stadium chanting "shoot the Boers, kill the Boers" serves the main purpose. Let the apologists play with semantics all they like, be it hatred, revenge, "justice," genocide, or whatnot.

See Ronald Reagan about the importance of image and symbolism over the details.

We are aligning for a WW3 between capable and accomplished people versus angry and jealous people. See Gaza and the number of deaths on each side for the inevitable outcome.; 5/21/25, 5:19 PM
Howard said...: I wonder if the new Lethal Weapon movie staring Mel Gibson and Danny Glover will do a murder mystery with the ANC as the bad guys chasing down Afrikaner immigrants running a dairy farm in Chino California; 5/21/25, 5:27 PM
Disparity of Cult said...: Circa "...Sun City" when "We Are the World" was released, there was a joke going around that the Ethiopians were raising money to have Bob Dylan's vocals removed from the recording.; 5/21/25, 5:29 PM
Jim at said...: Shorter TBH, "Kill Whitey!"; 5/21/25, 5:31 PM
Kakistocracy said...: Grok told me definitively that there is a white genocide in South Africa. It’s odd because I was only asking it for banana bread recipe.

Another day, another embarrassing episode in The Trump White House. I am sure Trump's base loves it but it really is rather painful to watch him demean what used to be a well respected office in this way.

I guess Ramaphosa didn’t get the memo Trump needs a second jet.; 5/21/25, 5:36 PM
Mary E. Glynn said...: Can we say Nigger on this blog yet?*
Are you still subscribing to newspapers that cap the B in Black, and lowercase the w in white?
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* It's simply a free speech principle. You can't make certain words off limits to certain people, while celebrate them coming from other people's mouffs. It's just not American: one rule for us, another rule for you. It's why we refused to wait until you were "ready" for gay marriage in this country either. Just don't discriminate, then you don't need policies "after the fact" to fix what you tolerated for so long...

How you like your tax dollars going to kill women and children? Still worshipping that Old Testament God are you? ;-); 5/21/25, 5:37 PM
TeaBagHag said...: Sir, how DARE you question the integrity of our commander. Trump gave more for our country during his morning shit on his gold toilet, than any other leader in the history of the world has done during their time on earth!!
- MAGAt foot soldier; 5/21/25, 5:41 PM
Elizabeth Kantor said...: Nothing beats the New York Times, tho: "Meeting with President Cyril Ramaphosa of South Africa, President Trump showed videos meant to back up his false claims about mass killings of a white ethnic minority."; 5/21/25, 5:45 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: Yancey Ward said, "The west Europeans will literally arm the South African government with modern weapons if it comes to a shooting war between the remaining whites and the South African government."

Hmm...I wonder what Trump or America or I would do if they did that? I'd be tempted to provide support to white S. Africans. I wonder who'd win? I'd hope Western Europeans wouldn't hit us with their dainty little fists, it might leave a bruise.; 5/21/25, 6:12 PM
Skeptical Voter said...: Ah the old "false claims", "unsubstantiated" "without evidence" shinola. If the Left sees something that doesn't fit their narrative, it's all misinformation.

Why I see here is Trump calling the South African President out. The gentleman said he was going to challege Trump's claims (in street parlance, blow some smoke up the Donald's heiny). Trump was ready and said "no smoke today".; 5/21/25, 6:20 PM
Enigma said...: Per state media NPR today:

"Ramaphosa attempted to correct the U.S. leader, but mostly got talked over. He explained the videos of opposition politician Julius Malema singing an apartheid-era struggle song called "Kill the Boer" — which means farmer or Afrikaner — did not represent government policy."

It's just a struggle song, you see. Tell that to the little USA kids kicked out of schools for going "bang bang" with a finger gun under ZERO TOLERANCE anti-violence policies.; 5/21/25, 6:33 PM
Kakistocracy said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 5/21/25, 6:36 PM
Kakistocracy said...: Isn't this stunt clearly designed to generate media coverage that overshadows the narrative of adding $5 trillion in debt while cutting healthcare?

Trump isn't playing five-dimensional chess -- he simply enjoys grandstanding before the press on topics he knows almost nothing about.; 5/21/25, 6:37 PM
Iman said...: Hag is hip deep in sheep dip. I asked her to stick with steeping onions, which she has some expertise doing.; 5/21/25, 6:38 PM
Enigma said...: @Kakistocracy: Some people can do more than one thing at a time. There's enormous value in calling out "my race is better than yours" politics worldwide. Various nasty DEI disadvantage hierarchy organizations have gotten a free pass for too long.

South Africa and Palestine have indeed set the stage for possible genocides. Even if Israel and the Boers also set the stage. Call them ALL out and shut them ALL down.

Trump's generous budget is Clinton's 1996 budget + Obamacare, with a struggling denial of the need for higher taxes. I suspect Trump's "big tent" coalition will drift into accepting higher taxes for the wealthy before long. All billionaires hate paying interest on the debt, and increasing the deficit will make it worse.

The true conservatives have been crushed. Trump proved to want a modestly different flavor of Big Government.; 5/21/25, 6:59 PM
narciso said...: Um sxcept the House didn't care to really include any of Musk's
findings, so he decided to take his ball and return to useful projects; 5/21/25, 7:05 PM
Iman said...: @Grummz
- there are no farmer murders in SA, that’s a myth.
- Okay there are, but it’s not racial <- you are here.
- okay it is racial, but that’s a good thing.
The eternal msm news arc advanced one step today.”; 5/21/25, 7:15 PM
Tim said...: So Trump correctly said they represented the grave, not that they were the graves. Accurately. Why did the WaPo not address the claims that 1000 people had been murdered because of their race? And why is the WaPo justifying the murders based on apartheid, which ended in 1991, which is 34 years ago? If all those murdered were over 50, then they may have some guilt, but did they not deserve a trial to determine that? South Africa is heading the way of Zimbabwe, and at an accelerating rate. Time to get out if you can.; 5/21/25, 7:32 PM
Blair said...: "Argentina welcomed Nazi’s after the holocaust, ‘murica rolls out the red carpet for the real victims of apartheid, the boers."

Apartheid ended in 1990, and most of its architects are long dead. Nobody alive younger that their mid 50s would have been a participant in perpetuating it. It's quite justified to call any Afrikaaner younger than that an Apartheid victim.; 5/21/25, 7:35 PM
Prof. M. Drout said...: This all should not surprise anyone. There are only three things in which Communists are world-class:
Murdering people;
Stealing their stuff;
Lying.
The Lying part enables Communists to take credit for / take over causes that aren't Communist and make it seem as if the only way to achieve them is to empower Communists, who then proceed to murder people and steal their stuff.
The lesson of South Africa--and everywhere else--is that shooting all the members of the Communist party, as bloody and horrible as that might be, would in the long run save many times the number of lives.; 5/21/25, 7:38 PM
William said...: As African genocides go, it's not up to Rwandan standards, but they've made a start and it's gaining traction. Afterwards, they can have a Truth & Reconciliation gathering and then move on to the peace and prosperity that survivors in Rwanda now enjoy.......I understand that several of the wealthiest families in England are from the Indians that tossed out of Uganda. They didn't have much trouble assimilating. Likewise with the Boers. The Boers are famously tough and inventive. They'd bring something worthwhile here. I hope Trump makes it easier for them to emigrate here. I don't think the Boers should stick around SA.; 5/21/25, 7:45 PM
TeaBagHag said...: We should kill the people, to save the people.
- Prof Droog; 5/21/25, 7:45 PM
William said...: The Vietnamese Communists engaged in ethnic cleansing after they came to power. The Chinese living in their country were "bourgeoise" , ie successful, and had to be expelled. They've done well in the countries, such as ours, that they were expelled to. FDR wasn't particularly welcoming of Germany's Jews to to this country, but those that made it here did fine. Cubans too......There are some countries that are most oppressive to their most productive citizens. If they find their way here, it's our gain.; 5/21/25, 7:52 PM
wildswan said...: The statistics on farmer deaths in South Africa are being manipulated (lefty lips are moving; lefty lies are being told.) The way I understand the statistics is that South Africa has a very high murder rate and, within that nation-wide context, the absolute number of white farmers killed is not very significant. BUT within the context of the number of farmers killed the rate at which white farmers are being killed is very high. They are 60% of all farmer deaths.

It may be that the blacks of South Africa can't forgive the whites for the past - and it's the recent past. Segregation and a land grab were introduced after World War II. Living people had their grandparents dispossessed and they know their grandparents' story. They themselves were under-educated in inferior schools and subjected to the color bar. But "We can't forget and won't forgive" can easily become genocide when two groups are closely intertwined.

These South African farmers have something to contribute to this country. The African white farmers are Europeans who know how to farm the red clay soil of the South and the states like Texas, and Oklahoma. Most European farmers know how to farm soil affected by the glaciers or deep, black loam which is what you encounter in Europe. They ranch everywhere else. But the white farmers of South Africa can work with the red clay and the semi-drought conditions you find in non-glaciated areas like South Africa. So they would be a good group to bring in here if climate change, as predicted, is going to burn up the South and Southwest more.

It would be a good idea for South Africa to keep them for the same reason. Many of the tribes in South Africa have no more idea than Europeans about how to farm on difficult, arid, red-clay soil; it's no more their farming tradition than it is traditional European farming.; 5/21/25, 8:26 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: 'Kill the Boers,' a reference to White farmers descended from colonists who built and led the nation’s racist apartheid regime...."

No, there’s no genocide; it’s Trump exaggerating again… but even if there was some killing, the deep lasting wound of racist apartheid, it’s going to take what is going to take to fully heal.; 5/22/25, 4:55 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: “False claim”, oh my goodness, how long is that list of “false claims” that later borne out true?

WaPo keeps using those words. I don’t think it means what they think it means.; 5/22/25, 5:06 AM
ron winkleheimer said...: "false claims" is an editorial comment. In a respectable news source it wouldn't be included in a news report. It would be in an editorial. It being included in a "news report" shows that the WaPo is a propaganda outlet. But then we already new that.; 5/22/25, 6:36 AM
TaeJohnDo said...: AMBUSH!; 5/22/25, 7:52 AM
bagoh20 said...: Does Africa ever get better?; 5/22/25, 9:12 AM
Kakistocracy said...: White Afrikaners say the tombstones they erected were protest symbols. Tucker Carlson says they were headstones on mass graves. For a preoccupied Trump it can be hard to know who to believe. Trump‘s incoherent and inaccurate rant about the deaths of white South Africans renews questions about Biden’s mental state….; 5/22/25, 10:02 AM