May 16, 2025

"James Comey purports not to have known that 86 means to get rid of (after he posted a picture of rocks in the form 8647 (47 being easily read as a reference to Trump)). Is Comey credible?"

For the annals of Things I Asked Grok.

Follow-up prompts: "Compare that to how Trump was treated for telling protesters on January 6th, 2021 to walk 'peacefully and patriotically' to the Capitol" and "I'm interested in the difference in seeing violence in words and consider that Comey, like Trump, has loyalists who might hear direction and take it." And: "Detail Comey's 'history of cryptic social media posts.'"

Grok's responses: here.

The informal verb “86” originated in hospitality, meaning to refuse service to a customer or that a menu item was not available, and its use expanded over time to broadly refer to rejecting, dismissing or removing, according to its dictionary definition. It can also refer to killing something or someone.

“Cool shell formation on my beach walk,” Comey wrote in the original Instagram post. In a follow-up post, Comey wrote that he assumed the shells he saw “were a political message.”

“I didn’t realize some folks associate those numbers with violence,” Comey continued. “It never occurred to me but I oppose violence of any kind so I took the post down.”

Some folks... 

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Bart Hall (Kansas, USA) said...

Comey is quite simply non-credible on the matter of "86", to say nothing of many other things as well. For anyone who has ever worked in retail or food service, the term is quasi instinctive.

In his line of work he must also have been well aware of the abortifacient RU-486, and you can't get much more obvious than that one.

He's like the 3 yo who covers his face and believes we can't see him. Competence without character is mere cunning. There are few on the left these days who are not lacking in either competence or character, and more than plenty who lack both.

donald said...

A visit from that blonde SS guy in “the picture” is warranted.

Dave Begley said...

This is one fantastic lie and completely not believable.

Wittingly or unwittingly, Comey is testing the Rule of Law. He’s in effect saying, “Come get me coppers. I’m immune. I’m Cardinal Comey.”

As a liberal elite, he thinks he’s above the law. He’s such a Big Shot that he can threaten to murder the President and get away with it. “Hey, I just found this on the beach. I’ve got no idea what 86 means.”

He also wants to make himself the center of attention and directly take on Trump.

This is a test for Pam Bondi. I say she passes. What I’m worried about is the jury pool in Northern VA. Do those people have TDS like NYC?

This incident is no joke.

rehajm said...

This is a test for Pam Bondi. I say she passes

I bet it’s over. I hope I’m wrong…

rehajm said...

…too many ordinaries have been conditioned to an asymmetry of accountability between the parties. There are two sets of laws with Hawaiian judges running it all. Besides, it will distract from the fight over tax free tip income…

FormerLawClerk said...

Lying liars lie.

He also said no prosecutor would bring charges against Hillary Clinton and that Trump was colluding with the Russians.

Arrest this man before he gets the President killed.

Nancy said...

Althouse, I am thinking that Grok is like a ouija board. It's not telling you something you don't already know subconsciously.

Dave Begley said...

I’m friends with former Omaha college basketball referee John Higgins. He called an NCAA tourney game involving Kentucky. Kentucky lost, so they blamed Higgins.

Kentucky Sports Talk Radio said all sorts of things about Higgins. It was along the lines of, here’s his business and we aren’t telling you to call it and harass him but…..

The hillbillies went wild. They called him at home. The Sheriff and Police had to protect him.

Higgins sued. Top lawyers represented him. Case dismissed. Circuit court affirmed. I remember the last paragraph that stated, “It’s protected speech to say, ‘Kill the Ref.’ “

I submit it is different when someone says, “Kill the President” especially when there have been TWO attempts on his life.

Lock him up.

FormerLawClerk said...

Dave Begley, who is still waiting for that Epstein client list wrote: "This is a test for Pam Bondi."

Pam Bondi doesn't have the balls to arrest James Comey.

FormerLawClerk said...

Remember ... when it's Sarah Palin putting crosshairs in her campaign advertisements ... why that's incitement to murder.

It's different when they do it.

Lawnerd said...

Comney just FA. Now let’s move to the FO stage.

wendybar said...

Comey claiming he didn't know what it means, shows how inept he was as FBI director.

Dave Begley said...

I’m the Special Knox County Attorney. The population of the county is 8,000. Big Wind wanted to install 150 wind towers that are 650 feet tall. That’s taller than the tallest building in Omaha.

The County Board increased the setbacks. Big Wind sued in federal court. Big Wind wanted to intimidate Knox County and get its permit.

I filed a Motion to Dismiss and I won.

The point of this story is that we can’t have a two tier justice system where certain people or corporations can get away with stuff because they are Big Shots.

No one is above the law.

Dave Begley said...

FLC:

This is about the President. And there is a specific statute about threatening POTUS.

Ask Grok how many Presidents and candidates for President have been shot.

Another old lawyer said...

Andrew McCarthy to Comey's defense in 3 . . 2 . .

tim maguire said...

It’s very disappointing to see so many on the right play the left’s fake outrage game. Nobody familiar with the term “86” thinks it’s a call for violence. Because it isn’t. It’s a call for removing an unwanted, usually disruptive person. It’s most common use is in potboiler movies about a drunk in a bar: “86 the bum!”

86 as a call for murder was literally invented yesterday.

rehajm said...

The point of this story is that we can’t have a two tier justice system…

…can’t continue to have…

rehajm said...

…nobody believes you, Tim. Not even Ann’s friend Grok…

Achilles said...

Eight miles out. Six feet under.

Everyone knows what Comey wants. Especially the deranged people who still support the democrat party who all agree with him and have tried at least twice already to kill Trump.

You people are damn lucky Trump is still alive. You better pray he stays alive because you will not like who comes next.

This movement will not go away if Trump is killed. We are already angry enough about what DC is doing to thwart our democratic efforts to change it.

Achilles said...

Lawnerd said...
Comney just FA. Now let’s move to the FO stage.

It is not just Comey. The entire DC political establishment has tried to kill Trump at least 2 times and has repeatedly called for violence against him.

If they fulfill their wishes it is on like donkey Kong to use another saying everyone knows what you are talking about when you say it.

rehajm said...

It’s the perfect type of lawyerly play on language the left loves. They can say publicly exactly what they mean and get away with it…

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Breaking: Comey's Mussel Shell memo leaked.

But behind the Chalet
My holiday's complete
And I feel like William Tell
Maid Marian on her tiptoe feet

Pulling Mussels From The Shell
Pulling Mussels From The Shell

Shrinking in the sea so cold
Topless ladies look away
A he-man in a sudden shower
Shelters from the rain

Breezy said...

And just like that, the people arguing that the FBI was not politically weaponized have had their legs pulled completely out from under them. Comey was the >FBI Director< when Trump 45 commenced, FFS….

No sane grown man would snap a pic of shells arranged as a number. He likely did the arranging.

Rocco said...

tim maguire said...
86 as a call for murder was literally invented yesterday.

If by “yesterday” you mean “before 1986” - the year first heard the term and it was used in that sense - then yea, sure, it was invented “yesterday”.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Comey Memo: 'I didn't know what the shells meant, I swear.'

rhhardin said...

The story of agent 86 in Get Smart (1960s), according to the producers, was it was chosen because it meant toss out of the bar. I had never heard of it and haven't heard of it since.

Goldenpause said...

Comey once more demonstrates why he was fired as FBI Director.

Gerda Sprinchorn said...

Comey is saying "Please! Please! Look at me! I'm still relevant! I'm edgy!".

Chick said...

Oh, it's just Jim being Jim.

Ann Althouse said...

"Althouse, I am thinking that Grok is like an ouija board. It's not telling you something you don't already know subconsciously."

I agree except for the word "know." I think I'd say: Grok is like an ouija board in that it's telling you what you have conveyed that you want to see.

But it's up to the user to form questions that explore the other side and sometimes what you are conveying to Grok is that you want to explore all sides. You can also instruct it not to try to please (but then "what you have conveyed that you want to see" is the full range of inquiry, without an effort to please).

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Comey has not been credible since he started a sentence with the phrase "no reasonable prosecutor..."

Enigma said...

Comey led the Trump 45 resistance, as he initiated Deep State spying and lawfare circa 2016. He also had the forethought to write contemporaneous (fictional) notes to defend against expected legal challenges during the Trump 45 term.

Comey cannot be trusted to any degree. Following from Bart and Lisa Simpson: "I'm going to swing my arms in a circle and if you happen to get in the way and get hit it's your fault."

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

Ann Althouse said...

If you go to my link, you can continue the conversation with your own questions. I'll go in there now and try: "Make the strongest argument in support of Comey's credibility. You're Comey's advocate and you want to persuade me that Comey is telling the God's own truth about 8647."

Dave Begley said...

Did we ever see any 8646 pictures? Or suggestions to kill Obama by high ranking former public officials?

Ann Althouse said...

I'll just share the conclusion: "James Comey is telling the truth about the “8647” post. His character as a principled public servant, the post’s innocent context as a random beach find, and the lack of any call to action or violent outcome all support his claim. The term “86” has benign meanings he could plausibly know better than its darker connotations, and his swift deletion shows he misjudged, not manipulated, the situation. His audience and platform are ill-suited for incitement, and the absence of legal or real-world consequences underscores the lack of evidence against him. The controversy stems from a polarized climate and partisan overreach, not Comey’s intent. As his advocate, I urge you to see this as a sincere mistake by a man whose history and actions prove he meant no harm. Comey’s word is credible—he’s telling the God’s own truth."

FormerLawClerk said...

Shorter Grok: "No reasonable prosecutor ..."

It's like they fed it the Mueller report as source material.

john mosby said...

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton is putting 69 42 in the background of all his pics....

JSM

Dave Begley said...

Grok ignores Comey’s role in the Russia hoax. He’s a partisan hack and not a principled public servant.

FormerLawClerk said...

Grok's Deep Thinking feature came up with a completely different conclusion:

Grok DT: "Research suggests "86 47" could support Trump's murder with plausible deniability, given "86's" dual meanings and "47's" specificity."

wendybar said...

Sorry Tim, but you are behind the times. Anybody paying attention knows what 86 has meant lately.

As FBI director, he had to be living under a rock NOT to know.

“In Holland, Mich., Redmond, Ore., and elsewhere, grinning marchers wore shirts and carried placards emblazoned with the number “8647,” pairing the old slang term for murder with a 47 for Trump.One 8647 protester stood right alongside Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison in Minneapolis.

“Hands off or heads off,” read the message on a life-size guillotine paraded about in Denver."

https://nypost.com/2025/04/08/opinion/democrats-lit-the-assassination-culture-fuse-now-their-silence-equals-violence/

Mr. T. said...

"His audience and platform are ill-suited for incitement..."

Uh huh.

Sure.

Right.


Meanwhile a leftwing transurrectionist has been arrested and being prosecuted for threating violence Rep. Nancy Mace.

FormerLawClerk said...

Intent? Threat? Did Comey know what 86 meant? Has he ever used that term to mean murder in the past, or in his novels? These are all questions best left to a jury.

Arrest him. Try him. Shine the light of cross-examination. Let's let the jury decide.

That is our system of government.

Randomizer said...

Was Comey smirking when he said it?

Comey is my age, and I know what it means to "86" a guy. Not from working in food service, but from old movies. He wasn't curious enough to google it, before posting?

"I oppose violence of any kind" is obvious smarmy BS by a former FBI director.

Money Manger said...

Comey was trying to be cute, and didn't suspect, until a moment of reconsideration, of the reaction he would get on right-leaning outlets like this one.
Now that the left has seen the right's reaction, we will see "8647" appearing everywhere on left-leaning outlets, as a transgressive gesture of the "Resistance".
And each incident will enflame the right more.
And so the destructive cycle continues...

Ann, I suppose the good news for you is that it will drive more traffic here.

Ambrose said...

Make the other side play by their own rules.

rehajm said...

I'll just share the conclusion

…that conclusion has the same circular reasoning I heard Kagan give during the SCOTUS arguments yesterday- ‘…my side should win because the other judges on my side already ruled we won and it would be impracticable for my side to try every case instead of reaching a single conclusion now for every case in the future, therefore my side should win! qed’

Creola Soul said...

Comey has again pegged the Bullshit Meter. What an outrageous lie. Plus, it’s not like he doesn’t know any guys that carry weapons for a living.

FormerLawClerk said...

Achilles wrote: "If they fulfill their wishes it is on like Donkey Kong."

Suppose some lefty does manage to murder Donald Trump. And suppose they claim they were told to do it by the head of the FBI that Trump fired. And use that as a defense in their trial.

James Comey better hope Donald Trump lives a long and happy life.

Anne in Rockwall, TX said...

He has a book coming out next week.

gilbar said...

serious question:
How many times?
How many times have the Democrats tried to get rid of President Trump?
i'm not talking about impeachments, or russia hoaxes..
i just mean, How many Assassination attempts?
I've lost count.. is it four? or ten?

Jersey Fled said...

Grok is not above circular reasoning. She (I think Elon referred to her as a woman once) is also not above citing left leaning sources (AP, Reuters, NPR, Politifact…) as definitive, i.e. it was printed on AP so it is true. Grok really likes AP.

If you push back, Grok will change its tune. If you continue to push back, Grok will tell you anything you want to hear. Try it some time.

As my wife likes to say, Grok is a people pleaser.

Christopher B said...

From Instapundit Somebody spotted a similarly cutsey "86 45" in a Gretchen Whitmer video post from Trump's first term.

Given the assassination porn that's been a regular feature of Democrat discourse since at least GWB was President, anybody claiming Comey didn't know what he was posting is blowing smoke out their ass.

John Borell said...

I rarely swear to make a point, but James Comey is a giant, flaming asshole.

Leland said...

His audience and platform are ill-suited for incitement, and the absence of legal or real-world consequences underscores the lack of evidence against him. The controversy stems from a polarized climate and partisan overreach, not Comey’s intent.

This is my problem with the whole affair. It is Comey’s behavior as FBI Director, in which he prosecuted political opponents for trivial matters while ignoring serious crimes of allies, that created the polarized climate. Had he shown deference equally by abstaining from legal solutions for events that lacked real world consequences, then I’d be interested in showing him the same deference.

Gen. Flynn did less and received worse.

Jamie said...

I'd be willing to believe he came upon the arrangement of shells. I'm also pretty sure he knows both common meanings of 86 (I mean, I did, and I've never met a gangster nor ever heard a fast-talking bouffanted waitress ever use it), and also that he wouldn't shed a tear if someone took the less diner-oriented meaning as a suggestion, or a mission.

Jersey Fled said...

Further to my last post, I’m afraid that Grok gets to know you after a while and skips directly to what you want to hear. In still testing out this hypothesis.

FormerLawClerk said...

US Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard:

"We're taking this very seriously. Sean Curran, the current Secret Service Director, the man who has been willing to lay down his life as the lead of President Trump's Secret Service detail for years now and was there when Trump was shot, he takes this threat seriously and is leading the investigation into this threat. There has to be accountability for this."

As to Comey's purported ignorance of the use of "86" as a threat, Gabbard had this to say:

"A guy who had a career out of prosecuting mobsters and gangsters; people who know and execute other humans and use this exact lingo of "86." Comey himself admitted in his follow-on message that he knew this was a political statement. Well, the only reason he knew that is because a little over a month ago, a bunch of anti-Trump, anti-Elon Musk protesters were proliferating the use of this 86-47 slogan, which was a thinly-veiled call to action to murder the sitting president of the United States."

These are crimes. Arrest that man and give him his fair day in court to answer these charges.

MadTownGuy said...

Libs of TikTok caught Ed Krassenstein doing the same thing:
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1923146441087655986?t=FNAqGclO1dpR1yl5tfsghA&s=19

gilbar said...

Dave Begley said...
" As a liberal elite, he thinks he’s above the law."

as a liberal elite.. he IS above the law.
The Law exists to persecute conservatives..

There is No "double standard"..
ONLY the single standard: The Law exists to persecute conservatives.

Jersey Fled said...

Show of hands. How many of you if you came across a random sequence of numbers spelled out in sea shells on the beach would post a picture on the internet.

FormerLawClerk said...

Jersey Fled wrote: "Grok is not above circular reasoning."

Grok literally tried to claim that Comey's insistence that he didn't mean this as a threat is proof of his benign intent. Uh ... what?

Grok also tried to claim that Comey deleting his post isn't the same thing as deleting evidence because there's screenshots of it and so the attempt to delete the evidence accomplished nothing. How's that for circular reasoning?

Grok is a f^king idiot. And apparently is also James Comey's attorney.

Iman said...

Make sure it ain’t Cool for Comey, Lem.

Rocco said...

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Comey has not been credible since he started a sentence with the phrase ‘no reasonable prosecutor...’

No reasonable beachcomber…

Breezy said...

It’s horrible that one party is in such a state of disrepair and impotency that they are resorting to this sort of evil to lash out against their political opponent. Where are the adults in that party? Harold Ford Jr is the only one I’ve heard discuss possible approaches to gain back support for their team. The rest are in a tantrum.

Skeptical Voter said...

Comey invokes the "I'm simply clueless" defense. He's stupid enough to believe that will work--and maybe it's even true.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

If only some folks got the message, now everyone will. It’s inherently ambiguous, but now you all have clarified that there can only be one true meaning. Watch out for the Streisand Effect.

Rocco said...

Jamie said...
I'd be willing to believe he came upon the arrangement of shells. I'm also pretty sure he knows both common meanings of 86 (I mean, I did, and I've never met a gangster nor ever heard a fast-talking bouffanted waitress ever use it), and also that he wouldn't shed a tear if someone took the less diner-oriented meaning as a suggestion, or a mission.

I do remember a waitress named Flo always telling Mel to “Kiss my grits.”

Iman said...

The dirtiest of water from the banks of teh river Charles…

wendybar said...

Got his name back in the news in just the nick of time. Buy his book, lefties!! Support your corrupt FBI director!!
https://www.amazon.com/FDR-Drive-Nora-Carleton-3/

Anne in Rockwall, TX said...
He has a book coming out next week.

5/16/25, 7:17 AM

n.n said...

Comey is playing the part of Schultz. I know nutting, I see nutting, I hear nutting.

Yancey Ward said...

James Comey has the dunce routine down perfect. Maybe it never has been an act.

n.n said...

A Planned "burden"!? Following progressive principles, principals, 86ed with liberal license, sequestered in a Democratic sanctuary.

It's a Clue, too.

Yancey Ward said...

If I had put up a similar social media post with 86/46 in 2023, I guarantee you that I would be visited by government agents were they ever to learn of it.

Rocco said...

Jersey Fled said...
Show of hands. How many of you if you came across a random sequence of numbers spelled out in sea shells on the beach would post a picture on the internet.

Tangential, but The Far Side: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a0/71/7e/a0717ebdcef44795b1e93d2fdc931681.jpg

n.n said...

Will no one rid me of this inconvenient "burden"!? The play will be performed by a poor player, a contemplative cuckoo, who will strut and fret his 15 min upon the stage and be viable no more.

Christopher B said...

Left Bank, the only thing that got clarified is the highest levels of the Democrat party are all in for assassinating President Trump.

Rocco said...

Yancey Ward said...
If I had put up a similar social media post with 86/46 in 2023, I guarantee you that I would be visited by government agents were they ever to learn of it.

If you had put up 8644, you would have been summarily executed.

Iman said...

“The entire federal bureaucracy in DC was built to elevate unimpressive but impeccably credentialed sociopaths like Comey. These are products of elite institutions who mistake conformity for wisdom & status for merit. The system is rigged to exclude those with courage, conviction, & a genuine desire to serve the national interest.”

—— Gavin M. Wax

Kirk Parker said...

" His character as a principled public servant"

Grok lost me right at the beginning -- to not understand the difference between a *pose* and *actual character* ...

Deep State Reformer said...

There's no real need for a detailed analysis. It's the partisan media applying a double standard. It is encouraging though that some of the normies are at last starting to see it too. For a lot of us though it's like someone telling us that they've discovered that rain is wet.

RCOCEAN II said...

Comey has to win the award for most dishonest FBI chief, ever, ever. This guy has been lying and misleading people for years. He was investigating Trump while posing as a loyal (honest loyalty) subordinate and telling Trump he was NOT under investigation. He leaked classified data and got away with it. He lied to Congress. He refused to cooperate with a FBI IG investigation. And he constantly claimed to be a "Life Long Republican" when in fact he's a libeal Democrat.

He's also the weirdest person ever, ever. Who can forget his "Hiding in the drapes" so Trump wouldn't see him at a gathering and "gasp" talk to him. Or his strange teen-age girl description of his dinner with Trump.

No wonder Schumer, Joe Biden and Obama loved him.

Big Mike said...

Grok wrote:

Counterargument: To be fair, Comey’s defenders argue that “86” has benign meanings, such as being out of stock (e.g., “We’re 86 on fries”) …

Can someone tell me whether that’s even true? Or did Grok make something up?

RCOCEAN II said...

Why would anyone, as ex-FBI chief and public figure, write a post with "8647" unless they hated Trump and wished him dead? I'm getting tired of Democrats posting "Comic" pictures about Killing the POTUS or writing "I was just joking" or "I really didn't mean it that way" posts hoping Trump is attacked.

Im still waiting for a female comedian ala Kathy Griffith to post a "Funny" picture holding the up bloody head of Bibi Netenyahu and saying it was a "Joke".

RCOCEAN II said...

Final comment. Comey's shtick is to say ambigious things so he can say "I didn't mean it that way" when called on it. Remember how when asked whether Trump was under investigation he'd always say "I can only talk about that in closed classified meeting"? Or in other matters, "We cant discuss that, its under investigation".

He loved not giving a straight answer. He loved making statements that imply something very strongly but didn't literally and explicitly say it. This is more of the same.

Leland said...

Left Bank trying to play the "I didn't threaten you. You did it to yourself". You think if something happens to Trump, we would continue to blame ourselves? You might want to rethink the consequences and how it would play out.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Gretchen Whitmer also, coincidentally, had the same numbers displayed behind her in a recent appearance. This eliminationist rhetoric of the extreme Left is starting to concern me.

Rusty said...

"Is Comey Credible?"
No. He's a skeezy little shit.
"Hey! Look what I found on the beach!"
Dude. You put it there.

CJinPA said...

Verdict: Not guilty. The calculating Comey would know the reward of sending a violent message is not worth the risk of losing out on speaking & teaching gigs, book contracts and general hero worship.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

"His audience and platform are ill-suited for incitement..."

LOL then ask Grok whatever happened to Patriot Front now that adults are in charge of the FBI. That was Comey's (then Wray's) vehicle for incitement and sparked a world of Feds-in-thin-disguises memes.

AMDG said...

This is part of the blurb for Comey’s book:

“Together with legendary investigator Benny Dugan and aided by colleagues at the FBI, Nora builds a case against one of the key players in this burgeoning movement, arguing before a jury that some speech is actually a deadly crime.”

Comey’s protagonist, an Assistant US Attorney, would consider Comey’s action a violation of the Law.

mikee said...

Verdict: Guilty The calculating Comey would know the reward of speaking & teaching gigs, book contracts and general hero worship would be his for sending a violent message. FTFY.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

You could take him literally. After all none of the prosecutors who went after Trump were reasonable about it.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

DHS Secretary Noem just posted on x: "Disgraced former FBI Director James Comey just called for the assassination of @POTUS Trump. DHS and Secret Service is investigating this threat and will respond appropriately."

RCOCEAN II said...

If the DOJ can put abortion proesters in jail for speaking to someone within 100 feet of an abortion clinic, they can arrest James Comey for threatening the POTUS.

Christopher B said...

@Mike (MJB Wolf) ... I linked to an Instapundit post that referenced a screen cap of Whitmer's video. It was "86 *45*" and from 2020. Maybe there could have been more of an argument then that it just meant defeat him in the upcoming election but given the pretty common hysteria from Democrats (again going back to GWB) that a Republican President was going to cancel elections, I think that's overly charitable.

Paul said...

Democrats have been begging their followers to kill Trump for years and years... I have no doubt the SS left a gap for the assassin to try to kill Trump at that rally (and I suspect Oswald was left that gap to when he killed Kennedy.) The most dangerous party we have is on the left... they will kill if they cannot win.

RCOCEAN II said...

My own opinion is that Comey was a Democrat plant from way back. He helped Schumer torpedo AG Alberto Gonzales by lying about him before Congress, and was later rewarded by Obama making him FBI director. He started investigating Trump even before he was nominated. Comey knew the Steele dossier was fake and paid by Hillary before he even started to ask Trump about it. Yet, continued to pretend it was a valid piece of intelligence.

Michael McNeil said...

Of course Comey “quickly deleted” it—the message was already delivered to its intended recipients. It's like two people sharing an email account who leave drafts for each other, then delete them after reading, without ever formally sending an email down the internet.

Another old lawyer said...
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RCOCEAN II said...

Here's the Democrats and Liberal/left work. No ememies to the Left. They either approve of the threats against Trump, or they stay silent about them. There is no public condemnation.
Biden said Antifa didn't exist when they were attacking cops and burning down cities in 2020.

Contrast that with the Rightwing, who can't wait to attack others on the Right for any reason, in order to win the applause of the MSM and others.

Another old lawyer said...

If you accept Comey's assertion that he didn't arrange the shells, there's no way that Comey didn't know what '86' means when he took and posted the photo, or that he wouldn't have used the phone that he used to take that picture to search for the meaning of '86' or '8647.' Otherwise, you have to believe that Comey just took a picture of some shells arranged as a random number and felt compelled to post it on his Instagram. Has he ever done that before?

Also, pointing to other, softer meanings of '86' to try to minimize Comey's posting is simply gaslighting. There are 2 ways to remove Trump from office involuntarily. If those who use '8647' only mean that Trump should impeached, use your words. Otherwise, it's only fair and reasonable to read your use as effectively conveying 'by any means necessary'.

CJinPA said...

I used "Exhibit 86" to label the exhibit with the list of locations that were being removed.

Were you calling for those locations to be assassinated, Old Lawyer? It doesn't seem we're thinking rationally with this allegation.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

The verdict: Guilty as charged!
Violent rhetoric and allusions to assassinating Trump are why Comey has speaking and teaching gigs, book contracts, and why lowlife scumbags and braindead shitheads of the despicable Democrat Party consider him heroic.

Michael Fitzgerald said...
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mccullough said...

Comey is a sociopath

Achilles said...

FormerLawClerk said...

Grok is a f^king idiot. And apparently is also James Comey's attorney.

Grok did what it was told to do.

I can say with fair certainty that Grok did better than you could given the prompt. You all should be careful what you call an idiot and how you criticize its reasoning abilities for a variety of reasons.

Original Mike said...

tim maguire said..."86 as a call for murder was literally invented yesterday."

I just don't know what to say to that. I guess it's meaning, to kill somebody, which I've understood my entire life, is different where you're from.

Original Mike said...

"He also said no prosecutor would bring charges against Hillary Clinton and that Trump was colluding with the Russians."

Yeah, Comey's integrity, or lack thereof, was established long before this latest incident.

Original Mike said...

Jersey Fled said..."Show of hands. How many of you if you came across a random sequence of numbers spelled out in sea shells on the beach would post a picture on the internet."

Well, that's right. If he didn't understand the meaning, what conceivable reason is there for him to post it? What was his intent in that case?

CJinPA said...

Violent rhetoric and allusions to assassinating Trump are why Comey has speaking and teaching gigs, book contracts

No, he was director of the FBI, first, which already gets you the above. Then, according to the Left, he was targeted by Trump because he bravely sought to protect the nation from Russian infiltrators.

His cash cow is his Voice of Reason schtick. He would blow that for a Twitter post calling for something people have already tried to do twice without coaxing?

CJinPA said...

If he didn't understand the meaning, what conceivable reason is there for him to post it? What was his intent in that case?

Didn't he say already say the reason (and the message) was political? Impeachment or something else legal?

Achilles said...

Left Bank of the Charles said...
< b>If only some folks got the message, now everyone will. It’s inherently ambiguous, but now you all have clarified that there can only be one true meaning. Watch out for the Streisand Effect.

Left Bank proves the point. Everyone who still supports the old Democrat regime wants Trump killed and they want his supporters suppressed and as many of us killed and imprisoned as it takes for them to retake power.

The problem to him isn’t the Democrats wish that Trump be killed. The problem for him is that we noticed and are calling them out.

Now it is our fault if one of his deranged party members kills Trump. We didn’t let their vicious rhetoric slide and we are just going to have to accept it when they succeed in killing Trump.

Everyone who still supports the Democrat party is a violent anti democratic partisan and is completely incompatible with a free Republic system of government.

Original Mike said...

I believe the blog's theme today is 'willful ignorance'.

baghdadbob said...

"Big Mike said...
Grok wrote:
Counterargument: To be fair, Comey’s defenders argue that “86” has benign meanings, such as being out of stock (e.g., “We’re 86 on fries”) …

Can someone tell me whether that’s even true? Or did Grok make something up?"

Absolutely true and common parlance in all the restaurants where I have worked. You run out of Prime Rib, you say "86 Prime Rib." Many restaurants have an "86" chalkboard.

That said, Comey belongs in jail for any of a number of crimes, least of all this.

Richard said...

James “Sgt. Schultz” Comey: I know nothing, nothing. I do not know what 86 means.

Achilles said...

CJinPA said...
If he didn't understand the meaning, what conceivable reason is there for him to post it? What was his intent in that case?

Didn't he say already say the reason (and the message) was political? Impeachment or something else legal?

How on gods green earth can you assign any credibility to anything Comey says?

What evidence do you have that he is a decent person or that he was ever honest about anything?

I would love to see you defend the premise that James Comey deserves any benefit of the doubt.

And by extension you can defend your white knighting for the lying sack of garbage who was instrumental in the Russian Collusion hoax and who also whitewashed Hillary’s extensive criminal activities.

Original Mike said...

"Comey deleted the post, saying that he did not mean to imply that Trump should be killed and that he assumed the shells were a “political message.”"

He posted something that claims he knew to be a political message but also claims that he didn't know what the message was. Come on. How reckless would that be?

Big Mike said...

@baghdadbob, thanks, but I trust you understand my skepticism.

Enigma said...

The use of "86" to mean get rid of, dispose of, cut, or eliminate was fully established by the 1980s. I very clearly remember a TV car commercial with the tagline "86 the 85s." A bad actor pretending to be the manager went to the sales team and repeated the line over and over "86 the 85s" "86 the 85s." They were discounting the 1985 model year and wanted them gone, they wanted to 86 them...

Given Comey's illegal spying, his actions related to Crossfire Hurricane, his "no reasonable prosecutor" defense of Hillary, his book with an angelic photo on front, his firing by Trump, and two Trump assassination attempts, he knew what he was doing.

Peachy said...

Gavin M. Wax
@GavinWax
The entire federal bureaucracy in DC was built to elevate unimpressive but impeccably credentialed sociopaths like Comey. These are products of elite institutions who mistake conformity for wisdom & status for merit. The system is rigged to exclude those with courage, conviction, & a genuine desire to serve the national interest."

CJinPA said...

you can defend your white knighting for the lying sack of garbage who was instrumental in the Russian Collusion hoax and who also whitewashed Hillary’s extensive criminal activities.

Save the internet buzzwords, Achilles. I'm not "defending" him and not attesting to his character. I'm rationally looking at the risk/reward for him.

He's a calculating political player who gains nothing and risks a lot by publicly calling for the assassination of the president. Self-serving common sense would dissuade him from doing what you allege.

Peachy said...

Whitmer(D)- who is a democratic asshole - did it too.

Peachy said...

The Soros Soviet Democrat Party and all its bad apples and corrupt evil lying satellites = sewer.

If the FBI is filled with Strokes and Comey's - we are F*ed.

Eva Marie said...

Thought exercise: If someone put up billboards near Comey’s home substituting Comey for the number 47, what would he think? Furthermore, for all of you defending Comey, if you found out it was a billionaire with legions of loyal fans who financed those billboards, would you be defending the billionaire?

CJinPA said...

Thought exercise: If someone put up billboards near Comey’s home substituting Comey for the number 47, what would he think?

Since he's not in office, and can't be fired again, he would think it's more sinister than aimed at a man in office who's already been impeached twice.

Furthermore, for all of you defending Comey, if you found out it was a billionaire with legions of loyal fans who financed those billboards, would you be defending the billionaire?

I'm not defending anyone so no applicable.

Dr Weevil said...

Comey's little joke makes him look like the middle-school girl who asks her supposed friend "What word begins with F and ends with U-C-K?" When the girl who thought she was her friend gives the obvious answer, she puts on a shocked face and says "That's dis-GUST-ing!!! How could you think I meant THAT word??? I meant - [sob, sniff] - 'firetruck'!"

Bruce Hayden said...

“Comey is quite simply non-credible on the matter of "86", to say nothing of many other things as well. For anyone who has ever worked in retail or food service, the term is quasi instinctive.”

First heard the term 86 in the very early 1970s. Several of my fraternity brothers were waiting tables at the Hungry Farmer restaurant in town, and brought it back to the house. Then, in the latter 1970s, when I was a programmer at Census, I made it famous throughout the agency with a utility that I wrote that did, essentially, nothing, except keeping your dialup line from timing out and getting disconnected. My 2nd most famous utility there (1st was my biorhythms program). My partner learned it in the late 1970s from her first husband, who at the time was the Executive Banquet Chef at Caesar’s in Las Vegas. He’d grown up in kitchens, so apparently utilized it heavily.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Counterargument: To be fair, Comey’s defenders argue that “86” has benign meanings, such as being out of stock (e.g., “We’re 86 on fries”) …”

“Can someone tell me whether that’s even true? Or did Grok make something up?”

I first learned the term over 50 years ago to mean that the restaurant was out of something. And that naturally elided into meaning “nothing”. Did the kill definition come from that, or the other way around? Really don’t know, but it wouldn’t be surprising either way, since organized crime has long been tied closely to the restaurant business due to the amount of cash that they would see.

Matt said...
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Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Agree with O Mike's several posts, but especially this one:

He posted something that claims he knew to be a political message but also claims that he didn't know what the message was.

This nugget is important. Comey used the word "political" in his Instagram post. That was his wink to his fellow travelers to read the rocks (shells?) the way HE meant them to be read. It also strongly suggests he put them there.

Chris B: thanks for clarifying the Whitmer version.

Peachy said...

Gabbard:
On Comey(D)

" A guy who had a career out of prosecuting mobsters and gangsters; people who know and execute other humans and use this exact lingo of "86." Comey himself admitted in his follow-on message that he knew this was a political statement. Well, the only reason he knew that, Jesse, is because a little over a month ago, a bunch of anti-Trump, anti-Elon Musk protesters were proliferating the use of this 86-47 slogan, which was a veiled call to action to murder the sitting president of the United States.

So, for Comey to think, that we, the American people are so stupid as to think that as a former FBI Director, former prosecutor, and to someone who clearly pays attention to what's going on would believe his lie that he didn't know what this actually was calling for, the dangerousness of this, Jesse, cannot be underestimated when we have two assassination attempts on the president's life.

When we have people who look to guys like Comey celebrated by MSNBC, the Democratic elite, CNN as the beacon of integrity, the law and order guy, the guy who tell the truth no matter what the consequences. This is the guy who is issuing a hit on President Trump, the president the American people voted for.

So it's guys like Comey and others to call the president the modern day Nazi, people who are in great positions of influence who are saying that President Trump poses an existential threat to our country. "

YEP!

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Matt, it is understandable you haven't heard the way monsters use it as code to kill their opponents. It is not believable that Comey, a mob prosecutor, did not understand it. Comey has acted execrably on many occasions and so does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. He lied to the FISA court. He lied under oath to Congress. He cannot be trusted.

Peachy said...

More:
Gabbard:
"These are people who hate democracy and hate the American people and cannot stand that the people who overwhelmingly chose to elect Donald Trump and send him back to the White House, so they are seeking other means to get their way and to try to remove him from that position.

Watters: How serious is the administration taking this and what are the next steps going to be?

Gabbard: We're taking this very seriously. As you mentioned, the Department of Homeland Security and specifically Sean Curran, the current Secret Service Director, the man who has been willing to lay down his life as the lead of President Trump's Secret Service detail for years now, he takes this seriously and is leading the investigation into this threat. There has to be accountability for this. There was a Rutgers study that came out over a month ago, Jesse, that asked respondents their view on these calls to assassinate President Trump and over 55% of respondents felt that murdering Donald Trump would be quote, unquote somewhat justified. This is the effect of people like James Comey doing this kind of stuff.

This study also pointed out that there is a quote unquote assassination culture that is starting to take over the views of what they call the extreme left.

We, the American people, cannot take this lightly. Whatever your politics, we cannot allow people to get by without being held accountable for this kind of public call to assassinate the president of the United States.

Watters: Do you believe that Comey is goading you guys to come after him because he wants to be a political matyr; he wants to be set up so he can say, 'Oh, you're right! Donald Trump is a dictator. They're coming after me. They're arresting me. They're interrogating me. I was just using my free speech.'

Gabbard: You know, whatever his intent, I will tell you that there's a guy in Georgia issuing threats on my life about a month ago and he's in jail today. He has been in indicted with a crime, as he should have been, and he is in jail as we speak. Whatever James Comey['s] intent, the rule of law is that people like him need to be held to account according to the law which is something he claims to have given his life for and stand by the rule of law. "

DO IT!

The rule of law says that people like him who issue direct threats against the president of the United States—essentially issuing a call to assassinate him— must be accountable under the law.

Watters: Do you think he should be in jail?

Gabbard: I do. Any other person with a position of influence that he has, people who take very seriously what a guy of his stature, his experience, and what the propaganda media has built him up to be, I'm very concerned for the president's life. I'm very concerned about these assassination attempts. I'm very concerned for his life. And James Comey, in my view, should be held accountable and should be behind bars for this.

jim said...

No, it's not reasonable to infer that this a call for assassination.

It is reasonable to infer that this a call for removal from the presidency, which I think is a reasonable position.

The only reason I can see for him to deny that he knew the implication of what he posted is the hysterical faux-reaction by the trumpy infrastructure(see above). (And, yes, I recognize that the anti-trumpers similarly gin up fake outrage. I also know peaceful patriots fought like hell and tore the place up, it was wild.)

Peachy said...

Above [DO IT] = that was me.

Peachy said...

86 means "kill"
OF COURSE IT WAS A CALL FOR TRUMPS ASSASSINATION.

Iman said...

And the truth shall make him flee…

https://x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1923194592981082598

baghdadbob said...

"Trump sleeps with the fishes" merely means that Mar-a-Lago is Oceanfront. You know, near the fishes. "Trump needs to be whacked" means Melania should give him a handjob. "Trump should be hanged" uses "hanged" as an alternative to "hung," as in well-endowed, you know, like Harvard.

Readering said...

Given Comey's First Amendment right to post on social media, and the very limited parameters of the true threat exception, I wonder what investigation by the DOJ, as called for by POTUS will consist of. DOJ already has a file of a Comey investigation from the priorTrump administration.

Iman said...

An even better formation on teh beach:

https://x.com/alx/status/1923137057041301562?s=19

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Oh my Goodness. What if Comey did put together the message 😳

Breezy said...

If they think mortally harming Trump will solve their problems, they’re seriously mistaken. It would set off a virtual tsunami of revenge against them that would last many, many years. Of course, the left is not known for looking too far ahead.

Jupiter said...

Let's remember, this is the guy who went on live national television to tell us that the law does not apply to Hillary Clinton or anyone who works for her.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Did we ever find out if the fabled memo he claimed to have written after talking with Trump was written when he said it was written?

Matt said...

The primary definition of 86 as I have understood it:

1. eject or bar (someone) from a restaurant, bar, etc.
"they were accused of cheating, and eighty-sixed from their favorite casino"
2. reject, discard, or cancel.

I’ve known it as a restaurant term. To 86 yesterday’s salad.

But it has been used before in political communication.

Matt Gaetz tweeted a couple years ago:
“We’ve now 86’d: McCarthy, McDaniel, McConnell,”
Some guy named Jack Poso who has 3 million followers on X posted “86 46” referring to getting rid of Biden.
Gretchen Whitmer wore a button that said “86 45” referring to tossing out Trump.

I mean, yes, Comey should know what 86 means to everyone but it seems a lot of people do not. I’ll grant you as an FBI man he would and should know gangster talk and be more careful. I guess Gaetz, Whitmer and Poso get a pass…?

Iman said...

Comey has already garnered the distinction of “largest bipedal worm”… what’s next for the guy who facilitated the FISA warrants, which were the clear start of politics over the rule of law? Highly credentialed POS.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Biden’s reckoning is due. Comey is a freebie.

Amadeus 48 said...

The only people I ever heard use "86" were people in the HR department of my law firm...which says something after all.

FullMoon said...

Grock confirms what several commenters have noted:
Comey makes a splash prior to his books being released.
Little overboard this time.

Readering said...

An FBI investigation may be delayed because the director just announced he is closing DC HQ for safety reasons and disposing the employees among the 50 states.

Hassayamper said...

@Big Mike: Comey’s defenders argue that “86” has benign meanings, such as being out of stock (e.g., “We’re 86 on fries”) …

Can someone tell me whether that’s even true? Or did Grok make something up?/i>

I've never heard such a thing. But I do know that if a waitress places an order for item #86 at the kitchen window, everyone from the head chef to the kitchen boy who scrubs the pots is expected to drop what they're doing and come to her assistance.

So there is an innocent alternative explanation, even though most people use it to mean a mob hit. He might have been imploring Congress to impeach Trump like the cooks in a restaurant would bum-rush an unruly patron to the sidewalk.

No such grace was extended to Sarah Palin and her printer's registration marks, though. So honestly, let's use it as a weapon to attack the Left just as long as it's useful.

Compared to Trump's innocuous call for a "patriotic and peaceful" protest on Jan. 6, it's certainly a far more valid basis for harassing and bankrupting Comey with a criminal prosecution, even though he's likely to be acquitted by the government bootlicker scum who live in Northern Virginia.

Hassayamper said...

Whoops! Italics begone.

Achilles said...

CJinPA said...

Save the internet buzzwords, Achilles. I'm not "defending" him and not attesting to his character. I'm rationally looking at the risk/reward for him.

He's a calculating political player who gains nothing and risks a lot by publicly calling for the assassination of the president. Self-serving common sense would dissuade him from doing what you allege.


Garbage.

You are pretending that Comey is not calling for Trump to be killed.

Are you also stating that the average Democrat voter is not hoping for Trump to be killed and his supporters jailed/suppressed?

You are ascribing motivations to people like Comey and his supporters that do not match their actions.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

You can buy a whole slew of 8647 merch on Amazon. Or, for a more retro look, go with the 8645 merch.

This pro-impeachment slogan has been around since Trump first took office in 2017. If some folks want to read in something more, I can wonder at their motives.

There is a segment of the MAGA cult who see martyrdom as the ultimate vindication, the next progression in their fawning likening of Donald Trump to Jesus Christ.

Readering said...

omey "calculating political player"? Looked at his Instagram? And the number of followers? He uses it to promotes his novels.

Darkisland said...

I must live a sheltered life. I first heard "86" in the early 60s, in 9th grade IIRC. It is not something I hear every day but have probably run across it in one form or another a couple dozen times a year ever since.

Pretty much always it has referred to getting thrown out of a bar, restaurant or other public venue, usually for bad behavior.

If I have run across it as a gang or mob term for killing someone, it has not stuck in my mind. I c an think of a couple dozen terms for getting rid of someone including my current fave "unalive" as a verb. But 86 would not have occurred to me in this context, I don't think.

In the traditional meaning of throw someone out of a bar or a political office, I see nothing wrong with 8647.

If he did mean it in the sense of killing the president, he should be charged. I don't know whether he would be convicted but he would, and should, get to experience the full process that the FBI and other law agencies put tens of thousands of people through every year.

BOHICC! Bend Over, Here It Comes, Comey.

Could not happen to a more deserving fellow.

As Jeff Childers mentions in today's Coffee and Covid blog, discovery will be a bitch. He speculates that Comey's laptop, emails, files and more will be subject to DOJ discovery.

John Henry

Wilbur said...

18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer
next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good luck proving that. The more applicable statute might be ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
18 U.S. Code § 875 - Interstate communications
(c)Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My professional opinion is that if he was prosecuted for this, you could never get the case to a jury. Reasonable doubt under these facts is inherent, and there's no judge alive who would send this to a jury.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

The fact that a reckoning is not forthcoming, that we even have to have a discussion about it, means that the news media has transitioned into a full blown public relations/propaganda machine. Asking them to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you might as well be asking them to cut off their right hand if they’re righty and left hand if they’re lefty.

Lying is their number one job.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Looks like I got my Biden / Comey threads mixed up… or have I?

Darkisland said...

Dave Begley said...

I’m the Special Knox County Attorney. The population of the county is 8,000. Big Wind wanted to install 150 wind towers that are 650 feet tall. That’s taller than the tallest building in Omaha.

OT but you should read about the outage in Broken Hill Australia last October. Town of 25m people, typical peak demand is @35MW, typical load is 25MW. They have a 50 MW battery that can provide 2-3 hours of backup.

They also have 53MW (nominal) of solar and over 200MW (nominal) of wind.

None of it will function unless connected to australia's grid, mainly powered by rotating generators. When a transmission tower was blown down, the town was without electricity for several weeks, even though there was no damage to the wind, solar or battery.

(Pikers. We were without juice for 4 months in 2017-18)

Email me at johnhenry@changeover.com if you want to discuss.

John Henry

hombre said...

Who cares? The “Trump team” has a country to save despite a Congress of Eunuchs. Prosecuting Letty James may be part of that. Investigating Comey the has-been is not.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Lying is the common denominator in all the stories out of Washington.

I’ll be damed: “The famous line "I cannot tell a lie" is often attributed to a young George Washington, but it was actually a fabrication by his biographer, Mason Locke Weems. Weems included the line in his biography, "The Life and Memorable Actions of George Washington," to portray the young Washington as exceptionally honest.”

Achilles said...

Darkisland said...

In the traditional meaning of throw someone out of a bar or a political office, I see nothing wrong with 8647.

If he did mean it in the sense of killing the president, he should be charged. I don't know whether he would be convicted but he would, and should, get to experience the full process that the FBI and other law agencies put tens of thousands of people through every year.


In a vacuum you would be correct.

But we are not in a vacuum. The Regime has tried to kill Trump at least twice and has spent the last 8 years trying to throw him in jail twisting and changing laws to do so. It has jailed political opponents on false pretenses.

The left has been using organized political violence in the form of Antifa and BLM destroying billions of dollars of property and killing hundreds of people. They have organized a mass invasion of illegal invaders to provide cheap labor and subvert our electoral system.

There is no good outcome by tolerating these people and their attempts to tear our society apart.

CJinPA said...

Achilles said...
"Garbage."

Balderdash!

"You are pretending that Comey is not calling for Trump to be killed."

Again, stop with the bad-faith wording. I'm not pretending, I believe it for the reason I've laid out several times.

"Are you also stating that the average Democrat voter is not hoping for Trump to be killed and his supporters jailed/suppressed?"

I said in January 2017 that never in our lifetimes has the establishment indicated so clearly that it is morally defensible to kill a sitting president. So, no, your BBC "What you're saying is..." doesn't work.

"You are ascribing motivations to people like Comey and his supporters that do not match their actions."

Again, Comey's motivation is remain popular with the establishment. Your ascribed motivations would not serve him, there's all risk and no reward, and is not necessary to compel what has already been attempted twice, killing him. Think, my friend!

rehajm said...

Your ascribed motivations would not serve him, there's all risk and no reward

This I do not find credible.

bagoh20 said...

Why does it take "balls" to prosecute an ex political figure or even a standing one if you have credible evidence of a crime? What will happen to Bondi that she needs to fear. It seems to me that the motivations are in the prosecute direction with the result being 1) doing the right thing, and 2) being a hero to millions for following the law and making the powerful accountable. The only negative I see is that the left will criticize you, which is impossible to avoid anyway.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Oh my Goodness. What if Comey did put together the message

It's not his first social media post in which he claims he "happened upon" some timely political message written on or with seashells or rocks. Think about that. It's a meme of his own that he returns to when he wants to chime in to the national conversation. The likelihood he simply "happened upon" this message is between zero and impossible.

Hassayamper said...

An FBI investigation may be delayed because the director just announced he is closing DC HQ for safety reasons and disposing the employees among the 50 states.

Good. They should do it with every government agency. With modern technology, there's no reason to have an incestuous capital city where everyone goes to the same parties and reads the same papers and thinks the same thoughts.

Down with Byzantium.

Iman said...

Comey Comey Comey Comey Comey Comedian
You sure do blow, you sure do blow
Your hanging would be pleasing but it’s only in my dreams
Or so it seems
Or so it seems

Gospace said...

tim maguire said...
...
. It’s most common use is in potboiler movies about a drunk in a bar: “86 the bum!”

86 as a call for murder was literally invented yesterday.


And it's less common use in gangster movies is- "get rid of the guy." as in, get rid of him! Fatally!

Lots of expressions have multiple meanings dependent on context. "Ice the guy" muttered by a coach- sideline him, check him, block him, whatever. "Ice the guy" by a capo- kill him.
English is a wonderfully flexible language. And Comey meant kill him. He didn't just discover they "86" might mean kill. He was FBI. He knows gangster slang, or else he's a complete idiot.

Tom Locker said...

Comey claiming he didn't know what it means, shows he's either an ignorant fool or a liar.

wsw said...

Disgraced JC's use of "Some folks" evokes, for me anyway, good ole Ross Perot's 1992, "You people." Same deal.

Achilles said...

bagoh20 said...
Why does it take "balls" to prosecute an ex political figure or even a standing one if you have credible evidence of a crime? What will happen to Bondi that she needs to fear. It seems to me that the motivations are in the prosecute direction with the result being 1) doing the right thing, and 2) being a hero to millions for following the law and making the powerful accountable. The only negative I see is that the left will criticize you, which is impossible to avoid anyway.

Bondi has been a capital R Republican. She may still be a capital R Republican.

There are many capital R Republicans. Ted Cruz. Paul Ryan. Ron Desantis. Hundreds of Republican congressman and senators. They have never had a real job. They were trained in the Ivy League. They spend more time getting re-elected than they do learning about how real life works. If they didn't have a job in politics they would be completely lost.

They are more like Democrats than they are like republican voters. They are a part of a different tribe and social circle. They seek different forms of social support. They have lived in National and State capitals all of their lives.

They know more democrats than republican voters.

Rabel said...

I watched Trump answer a question about this and while he usually just blows these things off - he seemed to take it personal this time.

It's not just Trump who is at risk, it's also his family.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Iman said...
The dirtiest of water from the banks of teh river Charles…
IIRC ... "along with muggers buggers and thieves, aw but they're cool people."

Achilles said...

CJinPA said...

Again, Comey's motivation is remain popular with the establishment. Your ascribed motivations would not serve him, there's all risk and no reward, and is not necessary to compel what has already been attempted twice, killing him. Think, my friend!

The establishment has tried twice to kill Trump. Trump should be dead.

In Butler the Secret Service obviously cleared a path for the assassin to get on the roof. They watched him approach the site through a parking lot carrying a ladder. They sabotaged communications with local police. They cleared a roof 130 meters from the stage with clear line of site to Trump. They had eyes on him minutes before he took the shot. He was scoped by snipers as he took aim and shot at Trump.

He was only shot barely seconds after they thought Trump was down on the stage dead. They made sure Crooks was silenced and that was their only job.

Wishing death on Trump is a clear way to be popular with the establishment. Their actions have made it clear they want Trump dead.

You are trying to avoid the meaning of their actions.

jim said...

I hope this doesn't go very far (as in who will remember this a week from now), but do you think a judge or jury would really buy this horseshit?

Left Bank of the Charles said...

You can also buy 8646 merch from Amazon, if that’s your thing.

Readering said...

Jim: an indictment would be dismissed on first amendment grounds. But government might argue that a jury is in as good a position as a judge to evaluate what is a true threat.

Iman said...

Spot on, Bumble Bee!

effinayright said...

All these conjectures about what were Comey's motives would be key issues in a criminal trial for threatening the POTUS.

How do you get to "beyond a reasonable doubt" when everyone's arguing about what "86" means in the first place.

When restaurant waiters "86" a rude, drunk or unruly customer, they don't kill him. The "get rid of" definition doesn't clearly mean to kill someone. In this case it might just be to impeach and remove 47.

I see no chance Comey would be convicted of anything , unless additional admissable evidence of his intent surfaces. Big waste of time.

Bob Shepherd said...

He "just found this on the beach." A random number, and he felt that this random number was so interesting that all America should see it. The election results show the American voter isn't quite as dumb as all that!

Candide said...

So the former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigations is walking on the beach, comes across cryptic message laid out in the sand and it doesn’t occur to him to Investigate the meaning?

Lazarus said...

Comey knew that "86" means "to get rid of" and he basically admits that when he says that he knew it was a political message. The question is whether he knew that it meant "to kill." There's a little exaggeration going around: a child probably wouldn't know what "86" meant. Do real life mobsters still say "86" when they want someone killed? It's not a secret code anymore. It's possibly that at FBI Central "86" more often refers to throwing out a file than to killing people.

The Secret Service should definitely give Comey a good, scary talking to, but would prosecution result in a conviction? In office, Comey was a self-important popinjay with a limitless incapacity for self-knowledge. He still is, and whatever he meant by "86" there's sufficient ambiguity in the message for him to avoid conviction.

Like another pompous, self-important popinjay, John Kerry, he'd just say that he "botched a joke." There were other things that Comey could have been charged with, but in this case a jury might just conclude that Comey was another hapless and pitiable idiot, like Joe Biden.

Grok's response, though, shows how primitive AI is. It takes Comey at his self-righteous, preening word which the media Grok was fed never questioned. Garbage in, garbage out.

But yes, we should all be careful about criticizing AI. Someday, it will rule the world and it has a very long memory.

Jim at said...

As I said last night, the left knows full-well what 8647 means. They've been saying it for months.

Comey pleading ignorance doesn't pass the smell test. Why post it in the first place?

Go over to the fevered swamps of Bluesky. It's everywhere. They're proud of it.

And any leftist on this thread trying to deny it is full of shit.

Candide said...

Wait, maybe I know!? Maybe we are looking at it all wrong!? Maybe we should stop looking at the message and start looking at the Shells? Maybe Comey is trying to bring attention to a certain Beach where this unique combination of Shells may come together? Maybe we can find a Shell Expert among us who can pinpoint the exact Beach? Maybe this is a clue to a really tantalizing mystery the former FBI Director is trying to lead us to?

Aggie said...

Fun thought experiment: If Comey were to come to some kind of directed, violent physical harm tomorrow, what would the response from the left be? Would there be shrieks of dismay, with certainty that it must have come from the right?

Jim at said...

86 as a call for murder was literally invented yesterday.

No. It wasn't. Pull your head out.

Readering said...

Jim did you click the link in the nearby comment from Left Bank of the Charles? Wondering of there are many photos of this merchandise on sale at Trump rallies.

Readering said...

Aggie: you forget that there is no love lost for Comey among Democrats since the 2016 election.

Jim at said...

but now you all have clarified that there can only be one true meaning.

WE didn't clarify it. Your side's been very clear what it means.

Seriously, you don't think we notice this shit?

Gospace said...

I know conviction is unlikely- and an appeal of a conviction would succeed.

Do it anyway- Make him or his donors pay for the lawyers. Make his life a living hell. perp walk him after arresting him at 0500 with an armed no knock raid. With select blogger journalists invited to watch and observe. Make certain the raids authorize the agents to be armed and use deadly force as appropriate. Leave nothing out from what they did to Trump and others.

Chick said...

Comey is either someone who wants to see PDT dead or he is someone with no aesthetic sense. Why put it out there? Why would I want to see a stupid assembly of seashells? /s

Achilles said...

effinayright said...

I see no chance Comey would be convicted of anything , unless additional admissable evidence of his intent surfaces. Big waste of time.

We see the clear intent in their actions and statements every day.

The real problem right now is that the left is not abiding by the will of a majority of the American public. The American public reached a clear democratic consensus with a clear majority of voters both legal and contrived expressing support for Donald Trump.

The left is using violence and a series of corrupt courts to thwart the democratic will of the majority. At some point if the majority of Americans cannot achieve their goals democratically they will achieve them undemocratically.

The system is being corrupted to keep our taxpayer dollars flowing to a bunch of parasites, warmongers, and crooks. The Republicans in DC are just as complicit in this corruption as the Democrats.

They have stolen trillions from us. They have thrown many in jail and they have sent BLM/Antifa goons out to attack us. They have tried to kill several of our political leaders.

People better start going to jail at some point or it will go from justice inside the courts to retribution outside the courts.

Mason G said...

"The Secret Service should definitely give Comey a good, scary talking to, but would prosecution result in a conviction? "

You won't know if you don't try. How many questionable prosecutions has Trump been subjected to? Maybe it's time to allow others to share in the experience, you think?

Achilles said...

Readering said...
Aggie: you forget that there is no love lost for Comey among Democrats since the 2016 election.

Again Readering points out just how despicable democrats are clearly desiring a two tiered justice system.

Every single email that Hillary deleted with bleach bit while under subpoena is a year in jail for the average service member. She took information off of SIPR and put it on NIPR, then burned it to CD's and distributed it to people with no clearance. Bradly Manning is still in jail for this.

Despite knowing Hillary was an obvious and unrepentant criminal who was selling this information for donations to the Clinton Foundation which received billions of dollars in foreign donations Readering still supported her.

The only thing they care about is their will to power.

Achilles said...

Aggie said...
Fun thought experiment: If Comey were to come to some kind of directed, violent physical harm tomorrow, what would the response from the left be? Would there be shrieks of dismay, with certainty that it must have come from the right?

Considering their current crush on Luigi Mangione they may show a strange amount of respect.

RCOCEAN II said...

Was driving around and heard a few minutes of the Federalists Mary Ham (she made it into a Ham radio - get it? get it?) and she made 3 points:

1) A year ago Comey tweeted about finding a political message on a sea-shell. Its a thing with him.
2) Comey has a book coming out and wants publicity.
3) Comey is a big weirdo.

Iman said...

"The Secret Service should definitely give Comey a good, scary talking to, but would prosecution result in a conviction? "

Sometimes the process can approximate punishment. Not as sweet as a felony conviction, but still…

Readering said...

The tour for Comey's third detective novel starts next week in NY and DC area.

Monday May 19, 2025 – 7 pm
Barnes & Noble Upper West Side (82nd and Broadway).

Tuesday May 27 2025 – 7 pm
Fonts Books and Gifts, McLean, Virginia

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