"Employees a quarter of his age are amazed that, after fifty years, he can still seem scared. If things look particularly bleak, he’ll ask writers if they’ve been saving any good material for an upcoming host, telling them, 'Sometimes you have to burn the furniture.' On Saturday afternoon, in Studio 8H, there’s a run-through of the sketches. The show is often considerably too long at this point, so more sketches might be cut... Sometimes the guest host nixes a sketch. In 2015, Donald Trump was to play a tree standing next to the Giving Tree, the Shel Silverstein character who gives and gives of herself until she’s reduced to a stump. The sketch ended with the Trump tree calling the Giving Tree a sucker. Trump refused to do the piece, not because it portrayed him as heartless but because he worried that the tree costume made him look fat."
From "Lorne Michaels Is the Real Star of 'Saturday Night Live'/He’s ruled with absolute power for five decades, forever adding to his list of oracular pronouncements—about producing TV, making comedy, and living the good life" (The New Yorker).
January 13, 2025
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I always assumed they padded the skits to fill the time. They usually are 30 seconds of funny stretched to 6 or 8 minutes of run-time. This dreck is actually the good stuff that's left after they trim it down!?
(That said, the Giving Tree sketch could have been funny; I'd expect them to cut it because most people would agree with the Trump Tree that the Giving Tree is a sucker.)
That book was a gift to the grandkids. I began reading it to them: I legit threw it away once done. What a stupid book.
Fifty years with complete control? It's too bad that his creative and editorial performance declined to mediocrity or worse a full 30 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezH-SnJfxgc
In the original SNL, they filled time by endlessly recycling skits that got laughs previous weeks. Think Conwheads, Cheeseburger, Nick at the Powder Room, Samurai
My question: Who was the better servant of Studio 8H - Lorne Michaels or Arturo Toscanini?
Given how bad SNL has been for almost 10-15 years, its incredible that the New Yorker is giving us a puff piece on Lorne Michaels. If he's had "absolute control" it says a lot about the decline of his talent. But that's the way our "Entertainment Industry" works. If the Execs like you, usually because you're cut from the same cloth, you stay for as long as you like. No matter what.
OTOH, if they don't really like you, then its one strike and you're out.
Of course, Michaels is just the producer. He's doesn't perform. He isn't a great writer. His main job is casting the right talent, hiring good writers, and helping them put on a good show. He's definitely cast the wrong people for a very long time.
People forget that even in 20th century, a lot of SNL was bad or medicore. Give Michaels credit for casting Radner, Belushi, Murray, Ackroyd, and Curtain in the 70s, and then coming back in the 80s with Phil Hartmann, Norm, mike meyers, dana carvy, etc. But there were some very bad stuff in the 80s and 90s even with all that talent. The season after Radner, Curtain, Murray left was so bad, they brought michaels back.
Michaels, of course, was/is a leftwing Democrat. SNL always goes after Republicans hard, and treats the Democrats with a soft glove. Michaels tried to mock/attack Reagan but it never really worked. He was more successful with Will Ferrell and Bush II. Carvy's Bush I impression and Hartmann's Clinton were more softball. Obama was treated with reverance.
But at least the early original skits were funny! SNL's quality fell off as the competition increased (e.g., end of 3-channel network TV and the rise of In Living Color with Keenan Ivory Wayans and Jim Carrey on Fox.)
Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_MDCH-W2WU
Fuck Lorne Michaels! I've never forgiven him for banning Elvis Costello from SNL for 20 years.
So Lorne is retiring soon, then, and this puff piece is the beginning of his sendoff? Got it.
I preferred SCTV.
Criminal, along with his banishment of the Replacements.
They've had nothing since the 80s
John Henry
Comedy is really hard to do. Especially on a set schedule. And even harder when you omit or fake over half the possible material for political reasons. Michaels has exhausted his half-filled bag of tricks. Even worse, leftist comedians are now born without the funny gene.
Only hack show biz and headline writers use words like "nixes."
Leftists have put 90% of the potentially funny content off limits, as it would be offensive or insensitive or highlight negatives. Consider that Jerry Seinfeld stopped doing his stand up shows at proto-Woke colleges ~25 years ago. Same timeline as SNL's downfall.
Michaels would ego trip with his lame cameos on the show.
The show is just another late night political ad for the Democrat Party.
You can tell from the first sentence that it's a New Yorker article. Sometimes SNL still doesn't have much comedy when they go on the air Saturday Night. It's undoubtedly true that they go into some Fridays without much in the way of comedy. The same thing has been true of everything going back to "Your Show of Shows" and even further back, but it's all written to create an image. The article may be intended to revive viewership, or ease the transition when Michaels does go, or just to capitalize on the recent film, but Lorne Michaels is an incredibly vain man, so he may just have opened the show up for the New Yorker as an ego boost.
My vote is for Arturo. I inherited an RCA collection of The NBC Orchestra w/ Arturo in 1963 when my grandfather passed. Those translucent red records lit a fire in me that lasts to this day.
I can't remember having a friend, family member, or co-worker comment to me about a Saturday Night Live episode in at least twenty years. The corporate media's fascination with this show seems positively bizarre to me. Every Monday edition of the NY Times has an article about the show, and it always prompts me to wonder "who actually watches this show?".
One of EC's best performances of Radio Radio ever. Elvis truly raged!
Take Off, eh. : )
They're all over at Gutfeld!
Wow, you mean they found a funny set of characters and kept bringing them back, that is shocking. But I understand what you mean. I was always sad that the Simpsons didn't stop after 1 episode. Been there, done that.
Armisen did an Obama piece and the show got how dare you dragon fire from their political allies…
During Trump's first term my wife's brother and sister-in-law would record SNL and when we visited they would insist we watch the skits depicting Trump. In the interest of family peace we would do so while refraining from commenting. One time I remarked to my wife, outside of other's hearing, "do they realize that isn't really Trump?"
Improv theater.
SNL became what it lampooned. Long ago
If you realize that a lot of Jewish parents see themselves as the Giving Tree, a lot of their culture starts to make sense. I hated that story even when I was Israel-friendly.
AKSHUALLY...he left the show for a while after the original cast, so saying he ruled with absolute power for five decades is misleading.
Reading through comments, I find myself amazed that there really are people out there that don’t understand “The Giving Tree” is an allegory about sacrificial parenthood.
Back in the 1970's when Eric Idel was hosting an episode during the first season he was asked what was the difference between SNL and Monty Python. Eric said difference was editing. Because Monty Python was filmed when a sketch stopped being funny they would cut to a minute of Terry Gilhams animation and then the next sketch.
Because SNL was broadcast live before a studio audience if a sketch started to stink the cast was stuck on stage for another 5 or 6 minutes until the commercial break.
Nearly every bit was comedy gold.
Lorne is the Connie Mack of TV
“Employees a quarter of his age are amazed that, after fifty years, he can still seem scared.”
I misread that and thought, “Man, I thought it was illegal to hire 12 1/2 year olds.”
Whatever one thinks of the final product, it takes a lot work, effort and creativity to put on a live TV show week after week for half a century.
And because it’s happened for so long, people start to think it just inevitably happens and not realize the effort needed and the pitfalls that have to be avoided every week.
And that applies to everything else, too. Water doesn’t just magically come out of a hydrant or a faucet. A lot of people behind the scenes make sure the water runs and the lights stay on. And when they stop focus on keeping things running and start focusing on skin tone, gender, or sexual preferences, then bad things happen.
I occasionally watch clips on You Tube. I don't find them particularly funny, but I'm old and maybe my sense of humor is too.......There are a lot of Democratic politicians who are spectacularly ridiculous, and, from what I know, they don't get mocked on SNL or, anyway, such clips don't get posted to You Tube. Newsom and Mayor Bass are perfect fools. Have they ever been parodied on SNL?
Add another person to the list that just doesn't really get The Giving Tree. I suppose the Tree is supposed to be the parents, but they raised such a selfish person. Maybe it's makes more sense in that the child is an only child. In larger families you have tons of kids so you can't give everything to just one, and if one is a selfish asshole you disown and just focus on the other ones.
“The Giving Tree” is an allegory about sacrificial parenthood”
The worst kind of parents - As a kid I felt so sorry for kids with those kind of parents. And felt sorry for them when their parents read them this shitty book.
Different perspective on the Giving Tree on Reddit:
“Shel Silverstein used The Giving Tree to offer a warning; don’t take advantage of others, and don’t allow yourself to be used, even when you've fooled yourself into thinking that you’re happy. While Silverstein’s story ends in my mind on a dark and sadly realistic note, it lends us the opportunity to break the mold and be better than the tree. The book serves as a warning, and taking it as such can allow us to rid our own lives of relationships that only serve to suck the life out of us.”
I preferred SCTV.
Seconded.
Edith Prickley and Johnny LaRue for the win!
Several of the cast members have showed up in television commercials this past year. Maybe they see the end is nigh, and they're cashing in on their celebrity before the show disappears. The 50th anniversary would be a good time to call it quits.
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