"Vaccines today are cleaner and more efficient, and they contain far fewer stimulants to the immune system — by orders of magnitude — than they did decades ago. What’s more, the immune reactions produced by vaccines are 'minuscule' compared with those that children experience on a daily basis, said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, a pediatrician at Stanford University who advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on vaccines. Children harbor trillions of bacteria, more than the number of their own cells, and encounter pathogens everywhere — from caregivers and playmates; in kitchens, bathrooms and playgrounds; on toys, towels and sponges. 'That’s just the normal course of growing up, is to have fevers and develop immunity to all of the organisms that are in the environment around you,' Dr. Maldonado said.
'We are built to withstand that.'..."
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"Are Childhood Vaccines ‘Overloading’ the Immune System? No. Vaccines today are more efficient and contain far fewer stimulants to the immune system than some used decades ago" (NYT).
"In most states, children must be vaccinated against about a dozen diseases, a schedule that typically adds up to about 17 doses, administered before they begin kindergarten... Each of the shots contains about 10 antigens. Older vaccines packed a much bigger punch, having up to 300 times as many...."
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from caregivers and playmates; in kitchens, bathrooms and playgrounds; on toys, towels and sponges.
Not counting their smartphones.
The counter is that it's a complex system and the vaccines differ by being designed. Children did not evolve to deal with vaccine makers.
"Each of the shots contains about 10 antigens. Older vaccines packed a much bigger punch, having up to 300 times as many...."
A Change in Vaccine Efficacy and Duration of Protection Explains Recent Rises in Pertussis Incidence in the United States
"Over the past ten years the incidence of pertussis in the United States (U.S.) has risen steadily, with 2012 seeing the highest case number since 1955. There has also been a shift over the same time period in the age group reporting the largest number of cases (aside from infants), from adolescents to 7–11 year olds. We use epidemiological modelling and a large case incidence dataset to explain the upsurge. We investigate several hypotheses for the upsurge in pertussis cases by fitting a suite of dynamic epidemiological models to incidence data from the National Notifiable Disease Surveillance System (NNDSS) between 1990–2009, as well as incidence data from a variety of sources from 1950–1989. We find that: the best-fitting model is one in which vaccine efficacy and duration of protection of the acellular pertussis (aP) vaccine is lower than that of the whole-cell (wP) vaccine, (efficacy of the first three doses 80% [95% CI: 78%, 82%] versus 90% [95% CI: 87%, 94%]), increasing the rate at which disease is reported to NNDSS is not sufficient to explain the upsurge and 3) 2010–2012 disease incidence is predicted well."
Not mentioned in the study is the effect of immigration from countries that don't require pertussis vaccinations. Pure conjecture on my part, but it does make me wonder.
I had a fourth grade teacher whose claim to fame was being an Indophile, and she'd been to India a bunch of times, and she said an Indian mother would think nothing of walking around holding her baby while dragging the tail end of her sari through the dirty streets and then slinging it over the kid's face, so then as now I really don't know what to make of all that except maybe I remember she thought it was a little gross but also kind of okay because India.
That fourth grade teacher had some Indian lady come in and talk to the class and she answered our questions. She was nice. I don't recall any questions about hygiene in India but there must have been a bunch of questions about the cows.
"Vaccines today are cleaner and more efficient, and they contain far fewer stimulants to the immune system — by orders of magnitude — than they did decades ago.”
Is there a reason why we should believe Dr. Moldonado? Whoever Trump appoints to run CDC, I hope that individual consults C. J. Peters pretty heavily. After the pandemic I’m not sure I’d believe anyone who affiliated with the CDC.
Where was she when the government was forcing the vaccination of kids under 18 with the untested Covid vaccine?The "science" as well as the observable evidence told us that the kids' robust immune systems protected them.
(Maybe I'll do some research--although generally the Althouse commentariat provides a quicker answer).
Children only need all those vaccines because they’re forced into a disease vector for 13 years
Experts. Feh
Dr Maldonado seems to be acknowledging that "decades ago" (say 20 years ago, the early 2000s) that vaccines might have been problematic, but now everything is just A-OK. "Trust us this time."
And the story is lacking any discussion of cost-benefit analysis across different vaccines. I don't know if the chicken pox vaccine is included in the schedule, but chicken pox is a relatively minor illness. Parents used to have chicken pox parties to expose their kids so they would get immunity. Is that vaccine necessary?
Come on, bro. You can trust the NY Times. They're never dishonest, bro. They never report 100% the opposite of what the truth is, bro. Just believe them bro. PLEASE. Just believe them. Come on, bro.
But do they really?
I've seen several reports recently of speculation, and possibly confirming research, that the seeming explosion of nut allergies among children is due at least in part to the extremely zealous effort by parents and caregivers to ensure that kids don't come in contact with nuts. The research indicates that incidental minor exposure over time decreases the development of allergy symptoms. I see a lot of evidence parents and caregivers try to do the same thing regarding viruses and bacteria.
To paraphrase Goebbels, Whenever I hear the words, "experts said" I want to reach for my gun.
'We are built to withstand that.'..."
Before antibiotics and vastly improved public sanitation systems children routinely died due to things we now consider minor. The antibiotic cream you search for when you get a scratch? Its a magic ointment.
Those were the days when parents had time to stay home with sick children. Today, they work and they don't. So yes, the whole class gets the bug, or the whooping cough as it were. The poorer kids can tough it out for respiratory illnesses, and walking pneumonias and yes, parents do sent the kids knowingly sick to school/daycare nowadays.
Can they do that when the child is miserable and itching with chicken pox? For the upper classes, the vaccines and medicine/science are the way to go. You can rely on God or "toughness" for you and yours tho... Our kids likely don't go to the same school districts as people who think like you. (are you of the homeschooling bent?)
I went for a blood draw and a child was there, too. She spent 10 minutes with the nurse screaming bloody murder from fear of the needle.
Maybe 17 shots before the age of 5 has all kinds of unintended consequences.
Remember when we had smaller "neighborhood" schools? More elementary schools kids could walk to, smaller sizes. Now... for efficiency, there is are "consolidated" elementaries, kids are bused in from across a district. You have 5 or 6 grade levels, it's like warehouse schools, a mass holding pen where they can arrive for breakfast and stay until 5pm or 6pm when parents pick them up. It's not health for the kids so much, but they crunched the numbers and this is the most effecient way to educate them "in person" to use the techie lingo.
The advances reported address the concerns vaccine skeptics have been saying, no? Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work?
Bah. Kids scream. Parents do not know how to prepare/distract them. Sounds like this was a pharmacy tech in a walk-in store, not a pediatricians' office?
Vaccines save lives. Don't tut tut it b/c you heard a child cry getting injected.
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