"He clenched his fist and appeared to struggle to try to gesture again. His sheet-wrapped legs lifted off the gurney into the air at 6.14pm.... He took a periodic series of more than a dozen gasping breaths for several minutes. He appeared to stop breathing at 6.21pm, and then the curtains to the viewing room were closed at 6.27pm, with Grayson pronounced dead at 6.33pm.... Alabama is the only state to use the method... pumping nitrogen through a mask and depriving someone of oxygen. It has been banned by veterinarians for use on most mammals.... John Hamm, Alabama corrections commissioner, said... he thought some of Grayson’s initial movements – shaking and gasping on the gurney – were 'all show' but maintained that other movements exhibited by Grayson and the two others executed by nitrogen gas were expected involuntary movements, including the breathing at the end."
From "Alabama man shook and gasped in final moments of nitrogen gas execution/Death of Carey Dale Grayson, 50, marks third time the southern US state has killed someone using controversial method" (The Guardian).
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146 comments:
It's grizzly business. But then - so is murder.
You know who else rocked and gasped?
Vickie DeBlieux
Her rocking and gasping as this guy murdered her is apparently unworthy of notice by the Guardian.
And the only thing controversial about the way this guy was killed is that we didn't rip his balls off first and shove them into his mouth.
Oh, and let's not forget that the UK imprisoned a woman for praying silently on the street. It's a JOKE country and thankfully we killed many of them so that we don't have to care what they think any more in the United States.
This method is apparently less controversial when used for suicide in Switzerland. They have nice little pods and everything.
11/22/24, 9:29 AM
remember!
the State killing a murderer is BAD!!
a Murderer Killing his victim is Just Another Day
a mom Killing her unborn baby is an offering to Moloch
Planned Parenthood. Why the ethical angst?
Also, Capitol punishment in a panic state.
"Alabama is the only state to use the method... pumping nitrogen through a mask and depriving someone of oxygen."
There's a way to avoid having to suffer this procedure, you know...
A bullet impacting the Fatal-T of a human cranium is hands down the most effective, seemingly painless, and irreversible method of death you will ever see (although I hope you don't). For more effectiveness, painlessness, and irreversibleness increase the size and velocity of said bullet. Repeat as needed.
I don't think the State should have this power.
But if you are going to kill people I don't really care how you do it. I would prefer they are just shot. There is no need for paying 10 people to stand around and watch him die. Waste of time and money.
Stop making it dramatic and stop enabling stupidity and bad faith. Stop pretending it is humane. Just kill him.
I doubt this article will motivate activists to push for a return of firing squads.
Another quick and relatively painless method of execution is the guillotine. It was invented for that purpose. Of course, the clean up afterward is a mess.
In my youth I sat in a snow covered car warming it up. Turned out CO was building up. I felt dizzy, opened the door and tumbled into the snow. worst headache I ever had. BUT the exposure was painless.
Forget the mask. Place the prisoner in an sealed room. Slowly increase CO or an anesthetic on a (perhaps unknown) night while the prisoner is asleep.
No waking up. No pain.
Hell we operate on people painlessly. Tell me we can not manage this better.
Of course, as my father used to say, "He would complain if her were hung with a new rope:.
Any method to put someone to death is controversial because of the act. I'm not opposed to it for this reason. And if you don't know when the gas is flowing, then all those reactions from the condemned murderer can be an act. He horrifically killed another person. He will horrify you again by making you uncomfortable as he strains to set himself free from his final constraints.
Anyway, it is the Guardian, so it is for the gullible to consume.
There are several Western countries where "physician-assisted suicide" is one of the top causes of death. So why is there still all this hand-wringing about the method of execution?
It saddens me the amount of energy and effort some people and organizations expend highlighting the demise of convicted criminals while completely ignoring the experience the victims went through as well as the trauma that is experienced daily by their surviving family and friends.
The punishment doesn't even need to be that "extreme", for example the media reactions to the conviction of Laken Riley's killer. He didn't even get the death penalty yet they are still gnashing their teeth and renting their cloths.
Anyone who has had surgery knows that when they start the anesthesia, one goes from consciousness to unconsciousness, (and then back to consciousness) without notice, seemingly instantaneously. Why can't the states simply anesthetize the condemned persons first, and then apply the lethal doses of poison while they're unconscious of anything, killing them while they're unaware. Otherwise, the most merciful form of execution, (albeit the most gruesome to spectators), is the guillotine.
I’m opposed to the death penalty, but if it’s the law I’ve been reliably told a strong dose of heroin is painless and blissful before eternal sleep descends.
It's always worse, when people are watching. Isn't it funny, how people can be put completely under for surgery without any lasting effects, but using the same methods for a painless death is unethical somehow?
Almost like people think a murderer's suffering death is wrong for any reason, but once convicted, the net effect is that suffering is a great alternative to a painless death !
If we’re going to have executions, I definitely believe we should make efforts to avoid causing extreme pain or discomfort, and I don’t believe we should compare the discomfort to what the condemned person did to the victim. We’re better than that, and cruel punishments are not good for us as a society. But I also don’t think we are obligated to make the execution pain- or discomfort-free. Rather, the standard should be: is it roughly in line with what would be experienced by a person undergoing the natural and normal death that will befall most of us sooner or later?
This sounds like it was, unpleasant as that may be.
Because one involves the death of someone the government deems too costly to keep around, of no value any longer, and that could pose a threat to the government if they realized the epic farce being played on them and everyone around them. The other involves the death of a criminal.
Exactly what I was thinking. We should use the same method Canada uses to euthanize confused kids.
Bring back the guillotine. Or better, firing squads.
How has it been the means of execution keep getting more gruesome?
And thousands killed by a terrorist is just some people doing things.
Didn't liberal groups pressure the drug makers not to sell the drug cocktail to prisons?
There's no record of using nitrogen gas causing pain and hardship. Here's a quote from Wikipedia:
An occasional cause of accidental death in humans, inert gas asphyxia has been used as a suicide method. Inert gas asphyxia has been advocated by proponents of euthanasia, using a gas-retaining plastic hood device colloquially referred to as a suicide bag.
In scuba diving rebreather accidents, a slow decrease in oxygen breathing gas content can produce variable or no sensation.[7] By contrast, suddenly breathing pure inert gas causes oxygen levels in the blood to fall precipitously, and may lead to unconsciousness in only a few breaths, with no symptoms at all.
I hate the intellectual dishonesty of the Left. If you don't like the death penalty - then get the state government to outlaw it. Stop with the lies about it being "cruel and unusual". Every method used is labeled "cruel and unusual" by the Left and MSM. They constantly shout about "Democracy" while thwarting the will of the people through Lawfare and word games.
Its been advocated for use in self-assisted suicide because people lose conciousness (sic) after a couple breaths.
They do anesthetize them. I believe that part of the problem is finding physicians willing to participate. The AMA code of ethics prohibits physicians from participating directly in capital punishment. As a result, the drugs have to be administered by prison officials who aren't properly trained. Add in that anti-death penalty groups have spent decades fighting against the use of various chemicals and methods, forcing states to rely on less effective formulas and bizarre systems (such as automatic injectors).
The best is a proper long-drop hanging. Snaps the neck and death is instantaneous, but no blood or gruesomeness.
I always find it absurd that the hard-nose liberals who have no problem with Israel murdering tens of thousands of innocent women and children in Gaza, or support the USA sending weapons and land mines to Ukraine to keep a bloody war going, cry and moan over the death penalty.
Typical liberal/left weirdness:
- who cares about that dead kid in Gaza, that's war baby.
-Oh, that ax-murdere was just put to death, oh the humanity!
I don't oppose capital punishment in principle. It's in practice I oppose it. Even assuming mo malice or wrongdoing, mistakes can and will be made. Then add in the possibility of state mal practice, and, even though some of the malefactors, at least, deserve death, life without parole is a better option. Just in case.
...pumping nitrogen through a mask and depriving someone of oxygen.
They should use N2O, nitrous oxide, instead. Also known as...
Laughing gas.
Switzerland is investigating the guy who made the suicide pod. Apparently the first person to use it was found with strangulation marks on her neck during the autopsy.
"You know who else rocked and gasped?"
Jesus Christ if you believe the story.
They forgot to mention that his last communication was two upraised middle fingers.
Another one in the camp of governments should not kill people, in large part because I think governments are incompetent and cruel and at operated by petty, lying power hungry sociopaths.
HOWEVER, if we are going to put people down, let's at least treat them as well as we treat animals.
Indeed.
The Grauniad should remember who the real victim is.
There are no uncontroversial methods.
It reminds me of Dorothy Parker's poem Resume'.
Admittedly, this method is not foolproof...
It may have been an act, but it seems like bad taste for the corrections commissioner to publicly suggest that it was "all show" when he clearly does not know that to be true.
Yeah, the "Government" shouldn't kill people. I assume that's why you're against sending weapons to Israel to Kill people. And sending weapons and landmines to Ukraine to kill people. LOL.
Yeah, that was not the way to do it. Firing squad or hanging. Neither one is pretty, but they're quick and sure.
As seen on Instagram, MSNBC ran a headline that said "Laken Riley's Killer never stood a chance."
If he is her killer, should he have stood a chance at trial?
CNN's report, on the other hand, beings "A man accused of killing Georgia nursing student Laken Riley... was found guilty Wednesday and sentenced to life without parole in a case that reignited the national debate over immigration and crime."
So one calls him a killer and the other a man "accused" of being a killer. Neither simply call him the man convicted of being a killer, which would be the language I would use if I were trying to objectively present facts and not push an opinon.
We are the government. Heinous murderers - in many cases - should be put to death. Retribution.
Of course, this might happen when one is put under for surgery - no one in the room is gonna fess up about that!
The convicted killer should be given a pamphlet with all the choices:
1) Kill you the way you killed your victim
2) guillotine
3) public hanging
4) A painless gas after we inject you with gentle anesthesia
G? I wonder what method the killer would pick?
Let's go back to Old Sparky. Strap them in. Light them up.
People who believe in what is known these days as "medically assisted aid in dying" speak as if it is possible to create paths to death that are trouble-free, and as if the only thing standing in the way of that are laws and regulations -- that the actual procedures are easy to build. This story and others like it make me wonder if that is really true.
It's hard to conceive that people who defend Hamasidols' pursuit of social justice through murder, rape-rape, rape, and torture-torture, would be concerned about Palestinians sacrificing thousands as human shields, millions of Muslim slaves in China, occupied Tibet, millions of dead black lives in Sudan, thousands dead in the SlavicSpring, a billion human rites performed in liberal democracies, etc.
Excedrin Headache #357. Then walk away.
Shortly after we were selected for flight status the Air Force put us in an altitude chamber at Fairchild AFB. I think it held about 20 people at a time. They would slowly suck the air out of the chamber so we could become familiar with the early signs of hypoxia. Recognize the early signs and you would have a chance to put on your oxygen mask before you passed out. It wasn't painful, no anxiety, your consciousness would slowly start to decrease until it seemed you were viewing the world from the end of a long dark tunnel. You could see things but not make sense of them. If you made it to that stage you needed help putting on your mask. Hypoxia is probably what killed Payne Stewart in 1999.
if vets ban this method maybe do it the way vets do it. Or use that bolt gun from No Country.
The press is so, so biased. Last night at the Omaha Public Power District Board meeting, I called on the Board to build enough power plants to make Omaha the Data Center Capital of the U.S. Both the newspaper and 2 TV stations ignored me. But they did report the words of two liberal activists. I'm being censored and ignored. And I will NOT be ignored!
The guillotine is presumed painless by you. Yet evidence exists that the brain maintains consciousness for at least a few moments after separation from the body. The last execution by guillotine was in 1977, when France could have attached some electrodes to the brain to find out. But to be honest, I don't really care. Dangling by the neck until dead is fine by me for heinous crimes. Whether it's quick because the neck snapped from the drop, or slow by strangulation because it didn't. Or being put in a room naked and defenseless with relatives of the victim armed with baseball bats. The point of the state taking on punishment is so that relatives don't perform executions extrajudicially, which often leads to scapegoats losing their lives instead of the actual criminals. When the state doesn't perform it's duty it eventually leads once again to mob justice.
Just use whatever method Canada uses to euthanize over 10,000 people a year with their MAID (Medical Assistance in Death) program. I actually favor bringing back the firing squad. While there is pain, it is quick, and it doesn't go through this farce of trying to make the death penalty more clinical, sanitized, and presentable. The death penalty is a severe but sometimes necessary punishment. It should feel severe to administer and watch.
We hear you Dave.
"Grayson rocked his head, shook and pulled against the gurney restraints. He clenched his fist and appeared to struggle to try to gesture again."
Now do an abortion.
What's "controversial" is the fact that we have a death penalty.
So they can just FOAD with all their whining, because neither I nor the voters of Alabama give a shit that they're upset that Alabama has a death penalty, and puts pieces of shit like the guy who kidnapped, tortured, and murdered Vickie Deblieux to death.
He got off easy compared to Vickie Deblieux
"After reaching the forest, the four boys began to drink and threw their beer bottles at Deblieux, who tried to escape. The boys managed to restrain her and tackled her to the ground and they started to physically assault Deblieux by kicking her repeatedly all over her body. When they noticed that the victim was still alive, Grayson and one of his younger friends (Loggins) stood on the throat of Deblieux, who gurgled blood and later died as a result in the early hours of February 22, 1994.
After murdering Deblieux, the four kept her luggage and body inside the back of a pickup truck and drove to Bald Rock Mountain, where they pilfered her ring and clothes and sexually abused her body before throwing it off the cliff. The body was left behind while the youths drove the truck to Pell City to clean the vehicle and remove the bloodstains. They also disposed of Deblieux's luggage in the woods. The four drove back to Birmingham, where Mangione was dropped off home before the rest – Grayson, Duncan, and Loggins – returned to Bald Rock Mountain, where the trio mutilated Deblieux's corpse by stabbing and cutting the corpse 180 times, and they also amputated the fingers, thumbs, and part of Deblieux's lung."
Probably? No certainly. Him and five others on board.
Like a lot of people, I've been knocked out before surgery. The anesthesiologist puts a mask over your face and tells you to breath in, or count to 20 or whatever. And bam, you're out like a light. next thing you know you're in Post-op and a pretty nurse is asking you: "Do you feel OK?".
No struggle. No pain. Just blackness. The idea this causing pain to the executed criminal is absurd.
Just wondering how Grayson’s victims died. Did they gasp and thrash about in their final minutes?
As a purely philosophical question, why should we make efforts to avoid causing great pain or discomfort? In Larry Niven's short story from Draco's Tavern, "Cruel and Unusual" this very topic is discussed. A group of humans kidnap a Chirpsithtra, who control interstellar trade. The Chirpsithtra dies- over days, basically from suffocation. Under treaties with Earth- a Chirpsithtra court handles the trail and punishment. In agreement with Earth authorities, punishments are televised. And the Chirpsithtra executioners spend several days smothering the malefactors with pillows- mimicking the Chirpsithtra death. Rick is the proprietor or Draco's Tavern, where humans and aliens mingle. Closing line, IIRC (it's been a while) is a Chirpsithtra crew member saying "But Rick, shouldn't the punishment fit the crime?
Should it or shouldn't it? Death for a death is fine. Death for some other heinous crimes- and treason- is fine. But if it wasn't painless for the victim- why should it be painless for the criminal?
Obviously, if you honestly wanted people to be executed in quick, painless manner than shooting them in the back of the head, or chopping off their heads with a guillitine (sic) would do the trick. You easily rig up a device and have a 45 cal pistol aimed at the best spot in someone's head. Activate it electronically, have 3 guards push a button, two of which wouldn't work, and bam you have a dead criminal and no pain.
Again, we go through all this rig-a-marole because the opponents of the death penalty are dishonest. They can't win with the public, so they use lawfare.
I'm against those things because I think we are aiding and abetting violations of the Geneva Convention, and these are dangerous escalations that put America at risk. See, also "governments are incompetent and cruel and operated by petty, lying power hungry sociopaths."
Lawfare? Criminal defendants defending themselves against criminal charges is not "lawfare." It is a right enshrined in the Sixth Amendment.
Jesus Christ people. Read the fucking Constitution or shut up with this nonsense.
The guillotine is probably the least painful and most consistently lethal means of dispatching a convict ever invented. The machine dates back to 14th-century Scotland, but the form most is the version adopted by Revolutionary France -- a tall framework supporting and guiding the gravity-powered knife with additional features designed to immobilize the victim in the position most agreeable with the purpose -- is what most people picture when the French term is used. By the early 20th century, several improvements were added by the French and other nations, including a spring-powered knife that cut through the victim's neck even faster.
I doubt any state would consider adopting the guillotine despite its reputation for dispensing swift death. Too bloody for our delicate nerves, I guess.
Lawfare is a matter of prosecution, not defense.
Tough nuts....
At the risk of repeating a thousand others, there is no very nice way to die. But even though it is literally the end of the world for each individual who is experiencing it, it is not unusual nor cruel. It just is.
Thank you.
Helium is more expensive than nitrogen, but the gasping might be more entertaining.
it was "all show" when he clearly does not know that to be true.
Actually, I would think the corrections commissioner might be the one person who might know when the gas started flowing. So if all the straining happened before the oxygen was replaced with nitrogen, then the corrections commissioner would know it is a show. It still may be in bad taste, but your claim that he "clearly" doesn't know is made without you clearly knowing.
We shall all experience death, and for most of us it will not be painless. A murderer should expect no more.
Nitrogen is the most present element in our atmosphere,
Did he do the deed, did he do it with depraved indifference,
but let's all be nice to these poor boys. They deserve breakfast in bed for the rest of their lives - on the tax payer dime.
It is deplorable that in a country that has executed 60 million or more unborn babies without leftmediaswine dissertations on their death throes that we are apparently expected by them to shed tears over the tough go this asshole had in his last moments.
Oh, boo-hoo. This is the execution of a murderer here, not the tender euthanasia of an aged family member or a beloved pet. And what's wrong with a short rope and a ten foot drop? Hanging is way easier to arrange, and way cheaper as well.
And Sweet Home Alabama played in the background
If he knows the gas wasn't flowing at that time, he should say so. Of course, the article was published by The Guardian (not a known bastion of truth and journalistic ethics) and it paraphrases the commissioner, only quoting "all show," so there may have been additional context that indicates that the commissioner did know (or it may have been in an entirely different context). For example, a story about the execution in the NYPost indicated that Grayson's lawyer said that he had intended to admit to the killing in his final statement (that was cut short after he began the statement cussing out the prison officials) - that would seem relevant, but the Guardian omitted that part.
JUST when enough time passed I forgot RCOcean is an antisemite...
You know the war against Hamas would end if they just released the hostages. Why don't you ask them why they hate their own people so much they won't release them.
"Jesus Christ if you believe the story."
Death by crucifixion is a process of slow suffocation as the chest muscles give out.
It’s not grizzly enough. We ought to have execution by bear
I read that one of them brought back a severed finger and showed it off to a friend who called the cops and reported it.
Place them in a furnace. Give them a pistol with one bullet. Countdown from 10 before the furnace is ignited.
"After reaching the forest, the four boys began to drink and threw their beer bottles at Deblieux, who tried to escape. The boys managed to restrain her and tackled her to the ground and they started to physically assault Deblieux by kicking her repeatedly all over her body. When they noticed that the victim was still alive, Grayson and one of his younger friends (Loggins) stood on the throat of Deblieux, who gurgled blood and later died as a result in the early hours of February 22, 1994."
Over the years, death penalty abolitionists have campaigned with lawfare to sue companies and states to strip them of the drugs that make the process painless, leaving them to use less effective methods that in effect cause more pain and suffering. Thanks Lawfare !
I hope they are all being put to death.
As a method of execution, there is a lot to be said for death by old age.
Anyone else here been a prosecutor? I did 6 and a half years as an ADA in Brooklyn, starting with misdemeanors, then felonies, then Sex Crimes/Special Victims ("Special Victims" = kids). I've seen and heard a lot of shit.
It is my considered opinion that convicts like this should be beheaded in the public square, a process that should be broadcast and live-streamed, after which their heads should be mounted on pikes in front of the local courthouse.
Pour encourager les autres.
The grizzly cruel murder occurred in 1994.
That the murderers are allowed to live that long? That is a travesty of justice.
I was reading a book about Renaissance Florence. They used to torture prisoners on their war to the place of execution. There was a little bit of that in the way they mocked Marie Antoinette when she was en route to the guillotines. Capital punishment doesn't bring out the best in people .....That said, total opposition to the death penalty presupposes that no human is capable of committing a crime so heinous that it deserves death as punishment. There's something incomplete and unsatisfactory about seeing some horrendously evil people play around with the justice system and the families of their victims. Does the death penalty help these grieving families to heal?........Also, I've known some people in hospice care who would envy such a death as was detailed above.
I worked with a man that mistakenly hooked up his air line to a nitrogen line. (Yes. OSHA became involved and the fittings were changed to prevent this from happening in the future) He said he never felt a thing, and only awoke after her fell from the railcar on which he was working. He was lucky. The fall pulled the mask away and allowed him to breathe.
No, the other three were too young to get the death penalty.
so he was convicted 1999, appealed in 2012, or 2014
I think the lawfare comment refers more to the lawsuits against drug companies making the lethal cocktails or third parties opposing the particular method of execution and the like, not the actual defendants.
Fentanyl appears to be a readily available alternative
The issue before society is that abortion is a choice only with qualified, verified guilt. We don't want to engage practices of witch trials, summary judgments, and social justice of progressive past. Cruel and unusual choices are also a progressive condition and path that should be avoided.
Perhaps Planned Prisonerhood would appeal to those who oppose aborting murderers and others in that Diversity class. Off with their heads! And sequester their carbon in sanctuary states.
George "Fentanyl" Floyd syndrome (i.e. respiratory suppressant) is a selfie-abortion that claims thousands of lives annually, imported from China, manufactured in Mexico, and transported through immigration reform across the border.
Of the other three, one (a 16 year old) was too young (under the laws of Alabama at the time of trial/sentencing) to get the death penalty. The other two were 17 at the time of the murder, and got sentenced to death. These sentences were commuted to life in prison following a Supreme Court (US) case banning the death penalty for anyone who was under 18 at the time of the crime.
The Supreme Court subsequently decided that life without parole for people who were under the age of 18 at the time of the crime was unconstitutional, so the other three are parole-eligible.
The crime was committed in 1994, and Grayson himself was on death row for 24 years following conviction and sentencing. If deterrence is really one reason for the death penalty, they really should accelerate the process.
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Helium is more expensive than nitrogen, but the gasping might be more entertaining.
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LITERALLY laughed out loud.
From what I understand, death by carbon monoxide is not painless because it induces sleep before it kills. (And the carbon monoxide mates with the oxygen receptors in your brain so you don't feel like you're suffocating.) Many people use this method to commit suicide and those that survive said that it wasn't painful.
But no matter what method you used, the newspapers would be filled with articles claiming, without definitive evidence, that it was painful.
"Jesus Christ people. Read the fucking Constitution or shut up with this nonsense."
Yeah dummy, I have read the Constitution. And its says "No cruel or unusual punishment". When it was written, the death penalty was used, as it is today. Not only that but shooting and hanging were accepted as neither cruel nor unusual. When some dishonest lawyer claimed death by nitrogen is painful and cruel, then it has nothing to do with the Constitution, it has to do with word games and lawfare.
If you don't like the death penalty go before the state legislature and make your case. Don't win by fake, lying, appeals to a judge that a painless death is "Cruel and unusual" and violates the 6th A.
But then I'll bet most Lefties haven't thought about it. No, they just follow the "party line". Death penalty bad. Abortion good. Bombing "Nazi" babies good. Death penalty bad.
it was a particularly gruesome crime, but as we see with how they treated stockport, rotherdam and rochdale, acceptable casualties,
"The Supreme Court subsequently decided that life without parole for people who were under the age of 18 at the time of the crime was unconstitutional, so the other three are parole-eligible."
"Life without parole" ending up not really meaning "life without parole" is an argument for having a death penalty.
Vickie DeBlieux, The Victim, was attacked, beaten and thrown off a cliff. Carey Dale Grayson, The Evil Bastard, shook and gasped in the final moments of his nitrogen execution. No comparison. He didn't experience enough pain.
Hadn't have been for Grayson, she'd have been in Louisiana.
I see a lot of mentions of guillotines, which is all well and good, but I'm a big believer in the Russian proverb "perfect is the enemy of good enough", and a guillotine will always be more expensive than a bullet, or the device used propel it. There's also an old saying that "9mm Luger has seen more brains than a brain surgeon".
Interesting factoid: During the height of Soviet ammo production in the 60s they were producing one 7.62x39mm round for every 1/4 cent, or 4 rounds per cent. Sometimes your life isn't worth one red cent. Sometimes it's less.
Just. Shoot. Them. It works.
Peachy, you forgot burnt at the stake.
Balls in the mouth would be a fitting last supper for this guy, Dixcus. I tried to convince 50 major papers to stop publishing last suppers several years ago, and even got some positive results, but some have slipped back into doing it. I’m starting a new push to demand that editors include the victim’s last supper too, or just tell the victim’s last supper and leave out their killer’s.
It’s funny how many people think you’re someone when you use Crane monogrammed stationary. Expensive, but well worth it.
Thanks for pointing this out. They also sexually abused the corpse and cut her fingers off. Of course, they weren’t charged with hate crime because she was just a woman.
+10
The guy could’ve been doing the hokey-pokey, for all I care.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
How does the time/discomfort factor here compare with, say, that of Laken Riley?
Might as well give a massive overdose of fentenyl.
Sarco Suicide Pod seems interesting.
Just to be clear. The murderers were vile, and that one was executed was justice. But my point still stands.
The Devil’s Haircut for all of them!
Actually, I meant to say that death by carbon monoxide IS painless.
"Robert Cook said...
Anyone who has had surgery knows that when they start the anesthesia, one goes from consciousness to unconsciousness, (and then back to consciousness) without notice, seemingly instantaneously. Why can't the states simply anesthetize the condemned persons first, and then apply the lethal doses of poison while they're unconscious of anything, killing them while they're unaware. Otherwise, the most merciful form of execution, (albeit the most gruesome to spectators), is the guillotine."
Why not both? A shot to knock the killer out, then slide him/her into the guillotine and swish. The whole procedure would take a couple of minutes.
I think you mean it's a "grisly" (=gruesome) business, Peachy, though I'm sure some of us wouldn't mind if it really were a "grizzly" business, and he were eaten alive by one or more large and hungry bears.
A lot of English teachers like to use this quiz question with high-school students to improve their vocabulary:
Fill in the blanks with these words: "grisly", "gristly", "grizzly", "grizzled".
"The _______ veteran of the Park Police blanched when he saw the _______ scene left by the _______ bears. There was nothing left of the campers but _______ bits."
Dr Weevil, I think Peachy was referring to the death of the explorer John “Gristly” Adams (not to be confused with frontiersman John “Grizzly” Adams), killed by cannibals who found him to be delicious, but tough to take
The death penalty is one of those issues I where I am undecided. There are some offenses that cry out for it. That rape/arson/murder in CT a few decades back was one. But, if we are going to execute people, is it really so hard to find an acceptable way to carry it out? Someone above mentioned Carbon Monoxide. That seems acceptable and painless.
Another travesty is that it took thirty years for the victim's survivors to see justice done. Haven't they suffered enough?
"The AMA code of ethics prohibits physicians from participating directly in capital punishment."
Don't call it "capital punishment" then. Instead, say it's a "very late term abortion". That should make everybody (well- almost, anyway) happy.
This is a good comment.
I agree. they ought not be killing people, but if they do it should be quick and effective.
I would gently point out that their suffering has not ended..... Which is precisely why we need capital punishment.
Not portrayed as controversial: torturing and murdering a young girl.
He lived thirty years longer than his victim. Don't want to risk dying in some kind of painful execution? Then don't murder people.
Hmmmm. Ahh. Well, ......so ?
If you want an instant death, one as painless as possible, for execution bind the prisoner's arms and legs and secure him on a concrete floor. Drop a 500 pound cube of iron from a height of 3 feet onto his head. He won't feel a thing for more than a few milliseconds, and other than cleanup the execution process is quick, certain, and needs no special medicines or procedures. No, don't thank me. Thank the OSHA safety videos of industrial accidents I've had to watch over the years.
Kudos for the Tom Dooley reference.
Journalists were availed observation in one side of the equation.
Though I had medical professionals advocating (a couple years apart) for precisely ending both my parents' lives..much to my resistance, I also remember accompanying my dog being put down by a vet with a single injection and a brief whimper. I do wish the vet had vacated the room before nonchalantly dumping the carcass into a trash bag. Decades later a friend told me about doing same for his elder dog and it was a horrific, extended scenario where he wound up holding the dog through a nightmarish sequence of robotic twitches etc. This shouldn't be hard. Spies take those instant death pills etc.
Might I suggest an accompaniment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPmA3USJdI
First, do NO HARM.. Unless, it's to healthy babies
Some people are evil. The family of this poor girl will live with the horror of her death for the rest of their lives. Can we, as a society, afford to have a human being so evil exist in our midst? No. We execute them because then there is no possible way for them to ever harm another person again. 24 years is too long. He had 24 years to influence other inmates. He had 24 years to relive his crime. He had 24 years to harm other inmates. Justice was served, but the family was tortured for 24 years.
That’s why we have decades of delays and appeals. Don’t believe anything the defense bar tells you.
We have euthanasia for our pets, assisted suicide, abortion at 9 months gestation and people as concerned about a man who viciously murdered another human, might feel pain? He didn't feel enough pain.
I have been asked by a prosecutor to take down an angry comment on my blog from a murdered woman’s sister (after the verdict, not an ambiguous case) because defense lawyers might use her anger as cause to appeal. This guy blew her sister’s head off, and four other women’s, one his ex. Of course I complied, and then the sister was terrified she might have done something to trigger another trial. What could I say to her? Nothing. I know how these things go: even serial killers stroll out of prison for less. What could she say? Nothing. She was silenced and afraid. She was disappeared, much like her sister.
I’d say this is a good reason for the death penalty. She will now live her life in fear that even speaking of the crime could lead to him getting out. We don’t just silence victims: we smother them and terrorize them eternally. And note, again, this was after the verdict and conviction, with multiple witnesses and a confession.
My serial rapist got a hearing to reduce the $75 towing fee from when his car was left at his last victim’s house. The cancer patient he fist-raped into an early grave. I spent many thousands of dollars just getting my own documents in an effort to get the court to test the DNA from my crime scene before he was released for the fourth time. They laughed at me. The leftist DA literally laughed at me. They didn’t waste time on that, he said. Pop for one, shelve or “unfounded the others.” The guy was insane — he told me his name. He’d been caught and released early repeatedly. I’d never seen him before I found him crouching naked on my bed. A grizzled court clerk spent her own time trying to help me. She said she saw it every day. He walked again, and my case time ran out.
So imagine a system that is a million time worse to victims than you think. I’m not too thrilled about Pam Bondi. Lightweight. She’ll do nothing for crime victims. Know who would have been a good choice? Buford Pusser. Only he’s dead. Nancy Grace, then, if we’re playing Hollywood Squares. Her fiancée was murdered. She may be knee-knockingly mad, but she has a reason to be, and she cares about victims. Why not? Democrats appoint actual terrorists to the bench. They appoint cop-killers to oversee the police. If celebrity is one tool in Trump’s war chest, have at.
Because there are laws, always reinforced by the defense bar, that disallow physicians applying such measures. Cook, the defense bar WANTS executions to be as painful and grisly as possible, and if they aren’t, they just lie about it anyway.
You know, then. I was once attending a line-up, on my 21st birthday, and they put me in a room to lead the prisoners in, and they put them in the same room by accident and these chain-ganged guys mauled me. I was trying to scream but nothing came out. During line-ups, they would grab their cocks and rub them and talk about what they would do to me through the one-way glass. They had no obligation to participate, so nobody stopped them. The defense attorney would whisper pejoratives in my ear. That’s what real line-ups can be like.
All our laws are created to protect the accused AND have been interpreted extralegally to allow the perpetual terrorization of the accuser.
This was pre-me-too#, and I don’t deal with those women at all. I deal with real crime. They have done far more harm than good. I’m not denying so-called date rape. It would be better to just call the real cases, such as running a train, as one modus operandi and not make a culture war out of it.
But that same night, the Mets won the World Series. Dwight Gooden, Gary Carter, Ron Darling, Mookie, Keith Hernandez, Lenny Dykstra (bless his heart), Darryl Strawberry and the rest of them saved my life that day.
As a CASA, I’ve seen what parents can do to their children. I don’t know how you do it. I went to law school, but I was just still too mad. What happens in the real criminal justice world has nothing to do with what is written in our laws. I went back to construction work.
And whenever the parole board met, they had to re-live it. And whenever Democrats got elected, they had to dread a revision of sentencing. And whenever a dumbass got appointed governor, they had to dread an acquittal. It goes on and on.
Must be nice to be lucky.
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