Why the big secret? Security? I'm going to guess that they'd like to use a big arena, but only if there's going to be the right size crowd. It can't be allowed to be seen that Obama does not draw in the masses.
October 22, 2024
Obama's in Madison today — with Tim Walz in tow — but where is he appearing?
I've been seeing Facebook ads for this event for days and getting email, but it all lists the location as "TBA." Example:
"Exact address to be announced."
Why the big secret? Security? I'm going to guess that they'd like to use a big arena, but only if there's going to be the right size crowd. It can't be allowed to be seen that Obama does not draw in the masses.
Why the big secret? Security? I'm going to guess that they'd like to use a big arena, but only if there's going to be the right size crowd. It can't be allowed to be seen that Obama does not draw in the masses.
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They don’t want you to show up because they’ve hired a stunt crowd…
I think we have a winner.
If true the form is to reduce the suspicion the whole effing thing is fake. Lots of ‘I filled out the form but I wasn’t selected to attend’ from the adoring Madisonians…
Steve Sailer has had to do the same thing on his book tour--you buy a ticket and then they tell you where the event is--because of Antifa et al threats causing cancellations for ten years.
Someone tracked where the phones came from at a previous Harris Madison event. 30% were from Georgia, the rest from towns in WI, MI, and IL. Did they want some black people in the crowd?
It’s creepy, like telling you the drop location for the bag of ransom money…
Madison?
Where next? Campaigning in DC?
Bingo!
WISDEMS, but no WISDOM.
Meade not allowed. Dems can’t deal with any opposition.
I would love to see a debate between Barack and Ann. The topic: Why Kamala Harris should be elected President.
They’ll bus in a crowd as easily as they will mail in a vote. Besides, if anyone was allowed to attend, they might ask questions.
Walz did the same thing in Omaha last Saturday.
Note the language. You can bring a partner, but what about a spouse? Partner is the Dems default.
Please attend if you can. I’d love first hand observations, if only from outside the venue.
can't they (WON'T They?) just bus in homeless people, from chicago?
expecting to be Allowed to attend a political rally, is as silly as expecting to have YOUR vote count
If Obama's out campaigning, who's running the country?
Why is the pattern "President Obama" and always "Former President Trump?" One gets the impression that there's some bias in play...
They have billions of dollars in donations to waste. They can afford to hire fake employed looking people…
Guessing game. Walz and Obama. Which one's the bottom?
Don't Worry! Valerie is still at the the helm
TBA = Tofu Burger Academy
LOL
"Pending capacity restrictions" it says. Uh huh. What does it say about democrats that they have moved on to the extent even Obama can't really be relied upon to draw a crowd? The most generous interpretation is that because his presence is needed for these impromptu events the USSS did not have time to adequately prepare a venue and screen the attendees. Keeping location secret until the last minute is one way to make assassin's plans more difficult.
Although that "last minute" golf game in Florida sure didn't work out for Trump, did it?
If the Jackasses played the crowd-size game the way that Trump does, actual attendance is not important at all. Trump just tells his cult that the arena was filled to overflowing and latecomers stood in the rain, cold , snow, wind - whatever outside.
I am not a Democrat, but I do remember back in the day when Sarah Palin was the GOP VP candidate that she drew larger crowds than John McCain.
Exactly. If you run an astroturf campaign, you have to be consistent. Obama needs that crowd to be enthusiastic, with no inopportune boos mixed in.
No big secret. If you had signed up you would have been told where the rally is.
10am to 6pm?? They haven’t nailed the time yet either?
It should be Mr. Obama and Mr. Trump.
Maybe it's because Obama is president in fact.
I've heard it was at Alliant Energy Center. The road construction on John Nolen might cause an issue if so. But maybe the person who told me that was just saying something without evidence.
It's surprising to me that the campaign thinks that big goofy face of Walz on the announcement is going to draw anybody. Interesting that the image consultants told him to lose the glasses. Prior to becoming the VP pick I never saw a picture of him without them. Without the glasses he radiates even less gravitas. Negative gravitas, in fact.
"You seem likable enough, Ann."
Just read the Wisco State Journal with the headline that the event will be at the Coliseum (which has a capacity of 10, 200) Doors open at 10 am for the afternoon event. I'm driving by on the beltline about 11 am. Hope it is not a problem.
The overall message: You're not invited!
This reminds me of the Dukakis campaign in his neighboring state of New Hampshire, where he never appeared except in front of invited crowds.
Gay bar?
I'm trying to recall how Michael found out in advance the restaurant where he was going to meet Sollozzo and Capt. McClusky.
Unseen, Michelle is giving Obama an I-told-you-so face and he's blinking "help me" back at her.
“…with Tim Walz in tow…” pretty much says it all.
You better watch out, you better not fly
American flags, I'm tellin' you why
Obama is comin' to town
He hears you when you're speaking
He knows if you're not woke
He knows if you hate Trump or not
And believe me, it's no joke
The kids in girl and boy land
Will have a jubilee
Things might get confusin'
When you go to take a pee
So say you like Tim even if it's a lie
And Kamala too, I'm tellin' you why
Obama is comin' to town
Joe Biden's first big decision was Kamala Harris, and the decisions following that have been even worse, and her first big decision was Tim Walz, so we know what is coming if she wins.
Maybe he’s not coming at all, and it’s just a ruse to get your contact information.
The fact that Kamala’s biggest star is going to
Wisconsin with two weeks left in the race is especially telling. Michigan Pennsylvania and Georgia are where the election is going to be won. It will only be lost in Wisconsin.
The same thing occurred during Harris’ recent visit at UW-Milwaukee. Very quiet that she was coming, and no real notice as to where on the campus she was appearing.
That’s fear you smell.
To Be Assumed they're both gay
Someone tracked where the phones came from at a previous Harris Madison event. 30% were from Georgia, the rest from towns in WI, MI, and IL. Did they want some black people in the crowd?
"Someone tracked where the phones came from" makes this an ironclad fact. I always believe what someone says on the internet.
WISDUMB?
They should go to a Madison McD's for lunch, obviously, and make it FUN. Even ask to go in the kitchen and serve at the to go window. Who would say no? Join in the fun and say, damn, this is fun.
This was the moment when the rise of the bullshit began to quicken and your state began to retch.
Well the crowd will be bigger than a telephone booth and smaller than a high school gym.
Bob Boyd sang…
“You better watch out, you better not fly
American flags, I'm tellin' you why
Obama is comin' to town”
I’m imagining Bruce Springsteen singing this version, too.
10 to 6? I guess people with jobs weren't considered important. Puzzle me that, Left Bank.
Skeptical Voter said…
“Well the crowd will be bigger than a telephone booth and smaller than a high school gym.”
There will be between one and two million people there!
Pop-up politics
Madison? I understand WI is a swing state, but do they really need to boost enthusiasm in Deep Blue Commie Country?
Obama is their messiah. He doesn't even have to show, and there will be fainting and swooning just thinking about it.
Hmmmm....now THAT is a conundrum.
I can count on my right hand how many conservatives live within 10 miles of this event. Why are they here?
I guess they couldn’t fill the buses with just Walz.
@Althouse, look for a convoy of out of state buses and follow it.
Well, Freder, based on comments you’ve written i. The past you do seem to be unusually gullible.
Trump's overflowing crowds are often televised, including exterior video of long lines queuing up early, all arriving in private vehicles. While Harris's are tightly controlled to show only what her campaign allows inside, where she has "celebrities" to try and boost attendance. The same dozen+ unmarked white buses are usually outside though. Draw your own conclusions. It's obvious to the rest of us.
Why is The Messiah appearing with Walz? Kamala needs the brainpower help and cover far more than Twinkles the Clown does.
It will held inside the employee bathroom of the McDonalds closest to the airport.
Wisconsinites will have to pass a law outlawing “Too Long Hugs” after the Obama-Walz clownshow…
Just sayin’…
Gadfly resolutely refuses to believe his lying eyes, Mike.
They can’t find a fast food place that would have them. 😒
Once the Democrats could draw in large urban crowds without relying on gimmicks. Obama certainly could, whatever problem I otherwise have with him. But he didn't get wealthy from crowd sizes, he got rich from oligarch donors throwing vast sums of money at him. But that reduces his cachet with normal Americans, to the point he's just as reliant on paid actors as Kamala Harris. Maybe even more so: paid rallies are quite expensive, and don't convince anyone that you are actually popular.
Donald Trump is genuinely popular with the GOP base, and any number of his supporters would never accept a substitute if anything happened to him. I wouldn't.
Or being allowed to ask questions at a town hall meeting.
My guess is this event has two purposes - to get media coverage and to get union folks energized for GOTV efforts. The focus now is on GOTV. This isn’t open to random folks - these will all be people the campaign has on their list for that effort. And if they are union, they’re being paid to attend.
Per Jim Geraghty this morning yes they do (He's quoting from NBC News)
“There has been a thought that maybe Michigan or Wisconsin will fall off,” said a senior Harris campaign official, who stressed that the bigger concern is over Michigan. Two other people with knowledge of campaign strategy — who, like others in this article, were granted anonymity to speak candidly — also underscored deep concern about Michigan. Those people still believe that all the states are close and that there are alternative routes to victory.
It's on C-Span at 2:30pm. 1st day of early voting in WI. Rally the troops. Get those ballots mailed. One reason Clinton nee Rodham lost WI is maybe because a lot of Dems didn't bother voting.
It could make news if Obama brings up Michelle’s schlong.
Government employees wouldn't have a problem, what with that "working" from home thing.
Why would they worry about security? Don't they know Inga and her daughter are keeping tabs on all the Trump Rethuglicans in the area?
There will be a small crowd, but by the time the Democrats finish counting Friday, it will be truly massive.
It will be a large crowd the size of a small crowd.
"You belong at that smaller rally down the street." Kamala.
You belong on that smaller bus coming down the street.
Informant in the precinct.
Pretty sure that it's security. Couple of weeks ago we received notice of a Trump rally - same deal, "we'll let you know where after you RSVP.
With regard to changing the location based on responses? No personal experience doing setup for such events but that doesn't seem right. Start with the idea that the campaign would sign contracts with two (or more) venues telling them "we'll let you know."
Secret Service has to prepare two (or more) site plans? They're gonna need (and setup) double (or triple) the number of metal detectors needed for the crowd.
Add the other vendors - depending on setup time, do we need multiple contracts or can we get by with a flexible vendor?
"Subject to capacity limitations?" Well sure; don't be angry if we have to close the doors before you get a seat (as happened to us at a Trump rally in Battle Creek four years ago).
Seems to me that many of the commenters here haven't actually gone to such rallies and looked around to see what it takes to prepare for one.
Anyway, that's what I think.
As long as they're having to waste time in Democrat strongholds, you can better believe THEY THINK they're losing.
They want your data because they're SELLING your data. They have no intention of inviting you to their local White Party.
Remember how Kamala was mimicking/copying Trump policy ideas. Kamala should Try telling stories from when Kamala was playing the field… knowwhatimean? knowwhatimean?
Walz radiates anti-gravitas? How repulsive!
Hey, Freder ... if you want to buy positioning data from information brokers, then please do so. We're not going to buy it for you. It's available any time you wish to purchase it.
We are tracking every one of you.
“It can't be allowed to be seen that Obama does not draw in the masses.”
Indeed, as it’s always been. Orchestrated, manipulated, carefully choreographed…. Can’t show he’s gay either. No word whatsoever on the “paddleboarder who drowned outside his Martha’s Vineyard mansion. No discussion ever about how much he controls the party, and President Joe, and the Kamala fraud canpaign…
Surely there's a phone booth downtown they can use!
Good guess.
Christopher - don't you think their efforts would be better served in Racine or Kenosha counties? Pink instead of darkest blue. Conversion vs preaching to the choir.
Everything about this election is fake, including the candidates, their positions, their "town halls" ... hell, they even built their fake President an exact duplicate set of the Oval Office.
But yeah, they're throwing a Diddy Party and you've been invited to the Freak Off.
Whenever Trump decides to hold a rally, his campaign just asks "What's the biggest auditorium in your town." Whenever the Democrats hold one, they can't do that because they'd be showing up in an empty building or stadium.
Democrats need to know HOW MANY people are going to come. Trump doesn't have that problem. EVERYBODY comes when Donald Trump is in town.
This is why they also NEED TO KNOW how many votes to steal. They can't just steal millions (that costs too much) so they need early vote counts and 3am updates.
This is how stupid you have to be to be a Harris supporter.
Rotwang’s Cabana Boy writes, “I always believe what someone says on the internet.”
Next time, skip the banal sarcasm and write something interesting.
I wonder how many buses will be emblazoned with SEIU as was the case during the occupation of the WI Capitol.
How it started: Massive rallies for Obama in 2008.
How it ended: Rallies by invitation only in 2020.
Read the fine print. It's interesting. Political rallies didn't used to be this restricted.
If Obama did control any of that would all of it be going as badly as it is? He put in his time and got his massive payout. Does he really want the headaches of running the country too?
Walz is coming fresh from The View, and L'il Barry is coming off a humiliating rejection from Black Men who collectively shat on Obama and his Real Men Simp for Harris scolding, and the androgynous duo is appearing in Madison, Wisconsin 2 weeks before "Election Day". If Democrat Party members didn't cheat, Trump would win every state and this would be the first presidential election in USA history resulting in an Electoral College shutout.
Especially the Dems in Nursing homes. Nursing home turnout in 2020 was near 100%.
Wait. What? No Kamala? I thought she was running for president.
"Someone tracked where the phones came from" makes this an ironclad fact. I always believe what someone says on the internet."
You have spent years believing every transparent hoax the democraticals have launched.
A tofu dregs campaign.
And for Field Marshall Freder's benefit, the data scientist dude that geo-fences both Trump and kamala-la-la-la-la's rallies is Tony Seruga.
He can be found on X at Tony Seruga@TonySeruga.
Here's his breakdown from Trump's last rally:
"GPS—9,403 mobile devices at Williams Arena at Minges Coliseum, North Carolina for the Trump rally today.
7,111 are first time Trump rally attendees.
84% reside within 50 miles of this location.
For the record, the area code and billing address has absolutely zero to do with where our technology pins a devices likely residence.
That is based on where the device is most likely located between midnight and 5 am, on most days. There is a separate algorithm for graveyard workers/night owls. "
More FYI type info from Seruga regarding some commentary from above:
"FYI—it is illegal to unmask or append the identity of a particular device’s user without a warrant. However, there are thousands of businesses, most overseas that will do just that for pennies per record."
https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1848458414969540700?t=6ZTmDDjxYMpclo9IqM7JqA&s=19
Interesting analysis of attendees of obambi's Univ of Ariz appearance:
"GPS—5,891 mobile devices for Barack Obama’s speech at the University of Arizona Cole and Jeannie Davis Sports Center on Friday.
A U.S. Border Patrol Agent follower requested this GPS on Thursday and asked that we use our Sinaloa Cartel overlay.
Results?
411 mobile devices are likely associates of the cartel, while 147 are associated with trafficking NGOs, included No Más Muertes (No More Deaths).
Where were these attendees originally from?
608 devices were from Illinois, 515 were from Washington, DC, 127 were from New York, 1,108 were from Georgia, 84 were from Pennsylvania, 911 were from California.
65% of the remainder were from:
Phoenix, AZ
Tucson, AZ
Mesa, AZ
Chandler, AZ
Glendale, AZ
Scottsdale, AZ
Gilbert, AZ
Tempe, AZ
Peoria, AZ
Yuma, AZ"
https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1847743766033289644?t=USeCRFbUfbPWdRRbvuyF8w&s=19
Gadfly. Lets ask Meade. Or don't you consider him a reliable source?
"I am not a Democrat,"
Don't lie. It demeans us both.
Yup, voting in nursing homes today. Ten years ago my husband spent a month in a nursing home and I observed first hand all day what was going on. One day a group of residents were gathered around a table with women looking over their shoulders and talking to them. I asked what they were doing. Voting, was the answer. Yikes!!!!
I think the venue will be packed. I think half the people will be shipped in from Illinois where there are a lot of reliable Democrat voters and the Chicago/Cook County Democrat machine can organize the people.
is Obama still on track for billion in lifetime?
"It should be Mr. Obama and Mr. Trump."
Nope.
It has long been customary for former office holders to be referred to by their titles from that office.
I suspect that its the "Trump" part that makes AMDG insist differently.
A bit more:
"GPS—1,156 mobile devices at Kamala Harris rally Riverside Park in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I’m told they moved the venue at the last minute from the Van Andel Arena with a capacity 12,000 to this venue. The event was not open to the public, and only those who signed up in advance and received an invitation were able to attend.
946 have attended 3 or more Harris rallies.
Less than 300 were from within 50 miles and 80% of those were from:
Grand Rapids, MI
Wyoming, MI
Kalamazoo, MI
Lansing, MI
Muskegon, MI"
https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1847416207894598078?t=Icxi6QNi-Z3CCt5VrHXjnA&s=19
WISODEMS
1:10 PM Chicago, IL Chicago (Union Station), IllinoisMap
Amtrak Thruway $43.00 Bus 3h 40m
4:50 PM Madison, WI University of Wiscon
Drago
"It should be Mr. Obama and Mr. Trump."
Nope.
It has long been customary for former office holders to be referred to by their titles from that office.
I suspect that its the "Trump" part that makes AMDG insist differently.
10/22/24, 10:21 AM
I always thought this was odd, but former Presidents are actually referred to as President. The fact that media often refers to Trump as 'former' demonstrates the bias.
"I am not a Democrat"
LOL
Of course you aren't....(wink wink)
You just happen to be the Rosie O'Donnell of Althouse blog....to "conserve conservatism"!
It will, and now forever, be at McDonalds.
"I always thought this was odd, but former Presidents are actually referred to as President. The fact that media often refers to Trump as 'former' demonstrates the bias."
Correct. It also demonstrates AMDG's rather sad bias.
I think about all the retired Admirals and Commodores that are still addressed that way by visitors and others.
Lets just say its a.....(wait for it) ......(wait for it) .....Race To The Bottom!
McClusky was signed out at the precinct to be at the address of that restaurant during the scheduled meeting time and a Corleone family asset in the precinct called it in.....back when Tessio wasn't yet a traitor.
If the location is not announced then how do Harris/Walz/Obama fans know where to go to cheer on their candidate?
Or, will the supporters be bused in once they count the number of hired actors who can attend and THEN the location will be announced?
"Secret Service has to prepare two (or more) site plans? "
Oh, no doubt the Secret Service has to prepare several plans......
Wisconsin is a turnout state. Dane County (Madison) and Milwaukee have to be massive blowouts for any Dem to have a shot. They have even lost the iron range which used to be reliably Democrat and Union.
Any McD will do. The overflow outside, along with an illegal sideshow, will excite the target group.
Always fresh.
Actually, Obama has a well-established preference for being serviced while seated. But he likes his white men better-looking than Tim Walz.
It's Obama- just follow the smell of the bullshit.
With Tampon Tim, Barry Obama, and the White Guys for Harris brigade, the rally will be the gayest thing you will see outside of a Wham! video.
It's a ticketed event at the Alliant Energy Center. Doors opened at 10 central. Quick, go video the buses from Chicago, folks.
Skeptical Voter said…
“Well the crowd will be bigger than a telephone booth and smaller than a high school gym.” Ha!
A large crowd bigger than a small crowd.
Remember - these are paid Dem employees, so this IS their full time job.
Sorry IR, I posed mine before I saw yours. I did not mean to pull a harris and plagerize!
Fried yellow fries for your fulfillment. Hold the ketchup. h/t potuhto
I find it amusing that I can't find a livestream right now. Pretty much every Trump rally has a livestream starting way, way before Trump even arrives on stage. Guess they have to get the crowd in place first.
These figures are really eye-opening, and provide further support for what I've believed for a long time - the true organic support for the Democrats is half to two-thirds of what it is for the Republicans, and the only reason they are even competitive at a national level is big-city ballot fraud.
As others have noted, today is when voting starts in WI. I saw that when I was at the Monroe St branch of the Library yesterday. So you could see these two, then go vote. Or vice versa, I guess.
I voted early in 2016, the only time I have done so, because I was going to be in Australia on election day.
If I were superstitious, I might do so again. But frankly I'm concerned that would give them time to disappear my vote.
Is there a Four Seasons Landscaping in Madison?
She was(n't) born a poor Black child.
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/10/22/kamala-harris-lied-to-get-into-law-school-n4933530
This is definitive...
https://www.frontpagemag.com/kamala-grew-up-around-terrorists/
Four Seasons Landscape
That’s just not true.
Drive around Dane County these days and you see more Trump signs than I have seen in any of his elections. I heard a stat that if Republicans a get 30% of the vote in Dane County that could be a game changer. Especially since Milwaukee seems less than enthusiastic about Kamala. She pulled a bunch of advertising there on the black & hip hop radio stations based there weeks ago. People tell me that means something! (I mean she did raise a BILLION $$-so you’d think she’d have a few thousands to keep advertising there)
Interesting: "This RSVP is required for the event, but does not guarantee admission." You'd think they'd like to get as many attendees as possible
Yup.i saw 3 buses at the Laborers Council building (off E Washington) today at lunch time!
Nar, I just checked there's got to be a dozen or more charter bus companies in Chicago alone.
Trump just tells his cult that the arena was filled to overflowing and latecomers stood in the rain, cold , snow, wind - whatever outside.
Watch the video of the crowds lining the street as his motorcade approaches the McDonalds on Sunday.
And then stfu.
Gravel, I don't think Harris is trying to persuade anybody any more. This election is all about keeping the Inga brigades in an absolute panic now.
Obama sorry he postponed that root canal for this.
When Eisenhower left the Presidency he was asked how he should be addressed, and he said "as General Eisenhower". That was fine then, but if it happened today social media would be swimming with conspiracy theories about a military coup.
If I were Trump I would ask to be referred to as "the Once and Future President".
I wouldn't go to an Obama speech unless he promised to walk on water -- and then only if it was really DEEP water.
Tim, you're right, Biden picking (or accepting) Kamala for VP turned out to be a bad decision for Joe. But is there any possible VP Biden could have picked who was a LESS credible Presidential candidate than Kamala? And Joe even went so far as to appoint her "Border Czar" so all Americans would see how incompetent she was. Do you remember when you were in high school that the star basket ball player would boast he could win the quarter with his left arm strapped down? And he could.
Joe couldn't.
Didn't know there was a film studio campus in Madison.
Need site with lots of room for tour-bus parking, for the 85% of hired audience on monthly retainer for reoccurring roles as "background joyful crowd". Madison residents not sought; local Democrat Party-member politicians allowed by invitation only. (Tammy Baldwin gone into hiding, won't be present.) Must present SAG-AFTRA union card and provide SSA for 1099 form.
I still wonder why they make the effort to campaign in Madison, which even Hillary didn't bother to do. Maybe it's San Francisco or Portland next? It can't be that they're trying to convince Althouse.
The Michigan forum was hosted by Maria Shriver, who told audience they were not allowed to ask their own questions, that only Harris-staffer prewritten questions could be asked by preselected audience members in the preselected and already vetted audience. Unbelievable. Have we EVER had a president who can't engage with people without being entirely dependent upon teleprompter with prewritten dialogue???
Worse, Harris brought her new best friend to Michigan Town Hall live-performance of prewritten script: Evil Warmonger Neocon Princess Liz Cheney. Seems Harris Campaign is entirely tone-deaf on its reliance on Cheney family endorsement as evidence of purported foreign affairs intelligence. It's like Dumb and Dumber reboot.
Would have thought Maria Shriver would have enough dignity and self-respect to not engage in this Dog 'n Pony show in Michigan.
Is the Presidential Election a popularity contest (like in High High School?). Personally, I wouldn't vote for either Trump or Harris for Prom King/Queen. Neither one is someone I would like to take home to Mama.
But having turned over so much of our lives (our jobs, our retirement funds, our personal safety, our healthcare, etc.) to the Government, can you trust one or the other of them to take reasonable care of your life -- or to leave you alone enough to take care of yourself?
"Exact address to be announced."
AA, &Meade, lock the doors and close the blinds
Consider it practice for Hallowe'en
Margolis's article doesn't actually say that the disadvantaged minority program at Hastings Law helped her get in or was more than just a separate pre-orientation, something my undergrad college started about then. But public schools are rarely explicit about racial preferences.
If they want a big crowd in Madison, free beer is the answer. Works every time, although Obama probably prefers the wine-and-cheese crowd.
flash mob?
roll-role call + paperwork + checks before set your ass down
Team MAGA has the same/similar advance ticketing to Trump's events .https://www.donaldjtrump.com/events
Trump pinatas and abortion coupons.
tcrosse
Four Seasons Landscape
10/22/24, 3:20 PM
He's gotten much better at lip synching.
Obama needs to hit Park St. and talk to the Bruthas. Get their head straight.
Can't discern any difference between the marxist or the America First guy nor their policies while in office nor the results of those policies.
"Anglican centrist"....ah yes. Its tracking now.
Frankly, given that, I am surprised you haven't declared for the marxist already.
Well, there's still 2 weeks to go to get that done....
Godfather pretends there's no actual evidence in play that directly answers his questions. Of course there is.
Which means this whole Golly Gee Whiz If I Only Had Some Relevant Answers schtick is a....fig leaf.
Original Mike: if they coukd make your early vote disappear, they could make your election day vote disappear. Falling for this nonsense is how to lose an election. Vote early. That way, if you get jammed up on election day, you've already voted.
And STOP listening to whoever is trying to discourage you from voting. That person is deluded or lying to you.
The liars in this thread are those of you calling me a liar for declaring that I am not a Democrat. I am not a Trump populist either. I have always registered and voted Republican for my entire long life until our convicted criminal ex-president came along. In 2016 I voted Libertarian and out of desperation to keep Trump from winning a second term, I cast my vote for Biden - the better of two evils.
As for Meade, he and I are are on opposite sides of the Trump fence - but he has obviously seen enough of my posts over the years to know that I am not lying.
Not once, since I've been here, have you ever taken any stance other than the currently popular progressive one. Your unreasoning hatred of Trump had put you over the edge. Trump is a moderate. He leads like a moderate. The country was prosperous and peaceful when he was president.
Oh. And appealing to authority won't help you. You rise and fall here on the merits of your argument.
What Tina said.
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