Althouse: Sunrise — 6:41, 6:42.

September 16, 2024

Sunrise — 6:41, 6:42.

82 comments:

Wa St Blogger said...: Better at the beginning of a thread than the end of an old one...

Interesting comment from the Alphabet brigade:

USSS Ron Rowe: “This was an off the record movement. It wasn’t a site that was on his scheduled… It wasn’t a part of his schedule. So, there was no posting up of it because he wasn’t supposed to have gone there in the first place.”

Sow HOW did Routh know to be there? It seems like a golden opportunity to place a man in an under-secured place at the right time. Who informed Routh earie enough to find a position that a) is concealed, b) in Trump's path. c) had an escape route d) able to get a stolen license plate (and car?) and e) be on site 12 hours in advance? Something does not add up. I mean, if Routh can be there 12 hours to scope the place, why couldn't USSS scan the place 12 hours in advance?

I want answers people!; 9/16/24, 6:24 PM
lonejustice said...: Due to extenuating circumstances, I had about 20 minutes to kill today before my physical therapist appointment. So I checked my usual pro-Trump blogs, many of which I support. What I found most disturbing is how many commentators on these blogs seriously believe that the last 2 assassination attempts on Trump were planned and orchestrated by the CIA, FBI, DOJ, DOD, Harris Campaign, etc. Look, let's be really honest here, if any of these groups, even the Deep State ones who oppose Trump, had any intention of killing Trump, he would have been killed a long, long time ago. Some of the people in these groups are professionally trained assassins. I'm glad they they are, because there are tyrants and demigods in this world who need to be assassinated. But what we are dealing with here are psychologically deranged wanna be assassins. They are dangerous psychopaths. They should be killed. But they are NOT part of some grand Deep State conspiracy to assassinate Trump. Supporters of Trump only hurt his campaign when they insist that this is part of some vast conspiracy.; 9/16/24, 7:07 PM
Kakistocracy said...: Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton
https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-second-amendment/index.html

I've noticed that this is a recurring rhetorical technique employed by Trump: say something that at first blush seems incendiary on its face, followed immediately by pulling his punch with a disingenuous "I don't know"--upon which the dog-whistle crowd goes nuts. Then, after the media picks it up, the campaign offers up an "alternative" explanation for the remarks that is the picture of innocence, but has little to nothing to do with what he implied or his audience actually heard.

We've come a long way from 2008 when John McCain corrected a woman in the crowd who called Barack Obama an "Arab" and told her Obama was a decent man and she shouldn't be afraid of him becoming President. We really have lowered the bar for what we expect from our Presidential candidates.; 9/16/24, 7:11 PM
Jaq said...: "I've noticed..."

LOL, more like, "the latest blast fax talking points from the DNC say..."; 9/16/24, 7:14 PM
Don B. said...: We might have known the truth if they'd administered sodium pentathol or waterboarded him, videotaped the interrogation, and put it on Youtube. But too late now, I guess.; 9/16/24, 7:15 PM
narciso said...: No he wasnt obama is an evil man; 9/16/24, 7:18 PM
Jaq said...: I was in a plane at Laguardia taxiing for take off waiting to cross the runway, and whose plane should it be that landed as we waited? That of Donald John Trump. It was great knowing that he was alive and well, but I don't see how he can keep dodging these bullets forever.

Joe Biden says that Trump is a threat to "democracy and everything that America stands for" He says this because Trump might change policies that Joe Biden supports. That's the real threat to democracy, using heated rhetoric to demonize political opposition, and using single party control of the courts in specific jurisdictions to go after your opponents. Oh yeah, and to make it impossible to know if an election has been fairly conducted by demonizing any attempts to verify votes beyond "recounting" all of the votes with no interest in which ones were cast legally.

This heated rhetoric is the same think that got Fico nearly assassinated in Slovakia, where, because he opposed the EU deep state, the press treats him the same as it does Trump here, even saying, after Fico was shot, that he had it coming, for you know, opposing the policies of the politicians who *lost* the election.; 9/16/24, 7:25 PM
Jaq said...: It's stochastic terrorism. They have the term because they invented it.; 9/16/24, 7:27 PM
Bob Boyd said...: The Ohio Rovers

They're eating green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty-back camels and some chimpanzees
They're eating cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
They even Bar-B-Qued a unicorn; 9/16/24, 7:32 PM
Jim at said...: What I found most disturbing is how many commentators on these blogs seriously believe that the last 2 assassination attempts on Trump were planned and orchestrated by the CIA, FBI, DOJ, DOD, Harris Campaign, etc.

That's what you find the most disturbing? That? Not the leftists who are blaming Trump for the actions of the shooter?; 9/16/24, 7:55 PM
Political Junkie said...: If DJT wins, and the Senate has 52 R's, when in office, should DJT go to the 3 oldest justices and "suggest" they retire to appoint very young conservatives?; 9/16/24, 8:07 PM
Political Junkie said...: Years ago I liked Lester Holt. As time has gone by, I have been very disappointed.; 9/16/24, 8:09 PM
Dixcus said...: The answer is that the US Secret Service is capable of securing any perimeter that it desires to be secured.

That does not include any space surrounding the man they are trying to get murdered.; 9/16/24, 8:13 PM
Dixcus said...: Remind me again how many bullets Hillary Clinton has dodged. And no, you cannot include any Bosnian snipers.; 9/16/24, 8:15 PM
Dixcus said...: That's an excellent list Trump could use to fill up Guantanamo Bay on Day One. Keep at it.; 9/16/24, 8:16 PM
Rocco said...: Bob Boyd said…
“They're eating green alligators…”

Gator is some good eating’. Anyone from Southern Louisiana or New Orleans should be able to give you a good recipe.; 9/16/24, 8:19 PM
tcrosse said...: JFK was asking for it.; 9/16/24, 8:22 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: I have a math question. How many attempts on Trump's life would it take before a vote for Trump could start to mean a vote against political violence?

I know right? The "instigator" of Jan6. The worst day in US history ;-)

If we survive, "Trump Era Ironies" is going to be a popular field of study someday.; 9/16/24, 8:35 PM
Quaestor said...: lonejustice writes, "Some of the people in these groups are professionally trained assassins. I'm glad they are, because there are tyrants and demigods in this world who need to be assassinated."

I disagree, not because tyrants and demigods (?) deserve protection, but because assassination rarely changes a political situation to the assassin's liking. In fact, I cannot cite an example of beneficial assassination. Marcus Junius Brutus and the March 44 conspirators murdered Caesar to preserve the Roman Republic, at least that's what he said according to Plutarch. And yet the result was the utter and permanent destruction of his treasured republic. John Wilkes Booth murdered Lincoln in the delusionary belief it would reverse the verdict on the battlefield. In reality, what he accomplished was to clear the path for ruthless and violent men itching to punish the South and appropriate its riches. Reginald FitzUrse and his three companions slew Thomas Becket allegedly to defend their lord's personal honor and to avenge his humiliation at being excommunicated. Their accomplishment: Henry II was compelled to publicly humiliate himself to avoid a papal interdict against his entire Angevine empire in the near term, and hell in the hereafter. The history of assassination goes on and on like this, rebounding on the assassins' causes far more often than advancing them. In WWII, the United States assassinated Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto by intercepting his plane and shooting it down -- a risky and expensive adventure that could have wasted the lives of many highly skilled and aggressive pilots. And to what end? Revenge. America got a heck of a lot of revenge by the time Hirohito finally quit. Did offing Yamamoto significantly increase it? What did assassinating Yamamoto really accomplish? Besides saving him from a war crimes trial, it left thousands of pages of history blank. And nothing else. By the time of his death, Yamamoto's sun had already set. By failing to recapture Guadalcanal, he lost much of the authority due to the C-in-C Combined Fleet but not the title. He was allowed to keep the rank and the public prestige, but the IJN general staff had had enough of his strategizing. They made sure the next Commander-in-Chief left grand strategy strictly to them.

Lastly, assassination is a fundamentally evil operation and thereby more deftly mastered by evil men. The Good Guys are generally ill-prepared to win at that game.; 9/16/24, 8:37 PM
Drago said...: LLR-democratical lonejustice: "Due to extenuating circumstances, I had about 20 minutes to kill today before my physical therapist appointment. So I checked my usual pro-Trump blogs, many of which I support."

LOL!

Too funny!

Pull the other one tiger....; 9/16/24, 8:39 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Football is back, so we had some of the new guys at my men's AA meeting yesterday morning lamenting that for the first time in their adult lives, they don't a beer in their hand while watching the game.

So, I read this post which I thought would be just right, something they probably didn't want to hear.

Hint: "Maybe you, too, have an unreasonable fear that is leaching the color from your life."; 9/16/24, 8:46 PM
Eva Marie said...: This is how the Democrats rewarded John McCain for his civility.
From the Las Vegas Review Journal:
“The Republican nominee for president didn’t have the “temperament” to be commander in chief, charged Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, adding that he “can’t stand” the guy. Moveon.org called him “reckless” and “dangerous.” Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., warned that the GOP candidate was a modern day George Wallace and his rhetoric “is playing with fire.”; 9/16/24, 8:48 PM
Christopher B said...: Read this, and then answer the question "What would the Secret Service be doing differently if it *wasn't* setting up Trump to get shot?"

Even that scumbag Democrat Dick Blumenthal has said the evidence of Secret Service failure on July 13 would be shocking, astonishing, and appalling.; 9/16/24, 8:52 PM
Inga said...: Aug. 9, 2016
“WILMINGTON, N.C. — Donald J. Trump on Tuesday appeared to raise the possibility that gun rights supporters could take matters into their own hands if Hillary Clinton is elected president and appoints judges who favor stricter gun control measures.

Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

NYT; 9/16/24, 8:54 PM
Drago said...: Reposting from another thread to stem the inevitable lefty lies and hoaxes from all the Usual Suspects (LLR-democraticals Rich and lonejustice, Inga, Mutaman, gadfly, Dumb Lefty Mark, etc):

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R) announced on Monday that the 33 “bomb threats” against schools in Springfield, Ohio, “have all been hoaxes” and have originated from overseas. “None of these had any validity at all,” the governor said. Pressure is now mounting on the establishment press to apologize to former President Donald Trump and his running mate, Sen. JD Vance (R-OH).

“At least 33 separate bomb threats, each one of which has been responded to, and each one of whom has been found as a hoax,” DeWine said. “So, 33 threats, 33 hoaxes. I want to make that very, very clear. None of these had any validity at all.”; 9/16/24, 8:59 PM
Peachy said...: How many journalists was Ryan Routh in touch with?
would-be Trump murderer - in bed with lots of journalists.; 9/16/24, 9:09 PM
Kakistocracy said...: Vance today: “We cannot tell the American people that one candidate is a fascist.”

TRUMP 11 days ago: “Kamala Harris is the first major party nominee in American history who fundamentally rejects freedom and embraces Marxism, communism, and fascism.”; 9/16/24, 9:10 PM
Peachy said...: So you're OK with the collective left calling Trump a dictator and a Hitler. Got it, Bich.; 9/16/24, 9:10 PM
Iman said...: manger le chat… manje chat la… comer el gato, Richie!; 9/16/24, 9:18 PM
Iman said...: Rich eats the cat… manger le chat… manje chat la… comer el gato.; 9/16/24, 9:19 PM
Inga said...: “"I look at action, I don’t look at words," Trump said. "She is really a Marxist. Her father is a Marxist professor. … This country is not ready for a Marxist or a communist."

Trump made similar statements in other speeches. In La Crosse, Wisconsin, he said, "She is in fact a Marxist-slash-communist." In Michigan, he said Harris "is a Marxist, just like her father" and also called her a "fascist."

Ahead of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Trump posted a fake image showing a red-clad female leader resembling Harris addressing a red-flag waving crowd while a communist hammer and sickle flag hung overhead. Weeks later, Elon Musk, the X owner and entrepreneur who backs Trump, posted another fake image of Harris wearing red communist military garb.”

Politifact; 9/16/24, 9:20 PM
Mason G said...: Vance today: "We can disagree with each other and debate with one another but we cannot tell the American people that one candidate is a fascist and if he is elected it is going to be the end of American democracy."

From here:

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-latest-trump-shocked-after-assassination-attempt-backlash-from-supporters-over-disturbing-taylor-swift-post-13209921

For some reason, another poster chose to post just a portion of Mr. Vance's comment. I'm sure he meant well, pity he didn't bother to either mention the editing he did or the reason he did it.; 9/16/24, 9:21 PM
wildswan said...: I have nothing to say about the second attempt. Someone is using disturbed people who can't be traced back to Iran or the Palestinians or whoever it is. Someone's telling them where Trump will be and where there will be an unobstructed line of sight. Someone's getting them Go-Pros and backpacks that can hide a rifle. Someone can't be found by the Secret Service or the FBI. There's nothing to think about; no policy for a citizen to support. So I'm just angry, quietly. Really, really angry. As, perhaps, a Northerner might have felt on April 11, 1861.; 9/16/24, 9:22 PM
Original Mike said...: tim in vermont said..."Joe Biden says that Trump is a threat to "democracy and everything that America stands for" He says this because Trump might change policies that Joe Biden supports."

Exactly.; 9/16/24, 9:24 PM
Inga said...: WASHINGTON — Over the six weeks since Kamala Harris succeeded President Biden as the Democratic presidential nominee, Donald Trump has charged relentlessly that she’s a radical whose views are out of step with voters.
“She’s a Marxist. She’s a fascist,” the former president declared last week, weirdly combining labels that normally contradict each other.

Trump claimed, without a shred of evidence, that Vice President Harris, whom he has dubbed “Comrade Kamala,” “wants this country to go communist.”

LA Times

Vance is a hypocrite and so is Trump, they can hand it out but they can’t take it.; 9/16/24, 9:29 PM
Gerda Sprinchorn said...: I have to agree. A lot of trains on both sides have run off the tracks. It's pretty depressing.; 9/16/24, 9:31 PM
Original Mike said...: "She is really a Marxist. Her father is a Marxist professor. … This country is not ready for a Marxist or a communist."

Three sentences. Let's look at them.

"She is really a Marxist.. Debatable, but if you look at her economic proposals, you can make a good case for it.

"Her father is a Marxist professor. Demonstrably true.

"This country is not ready for a Marxist or a communist.". I believe this is also true. YMMV.; 9/16/24, 9:32 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Ouch!

Hint: MAGA red meat.; 9/16/24, 9:33 PM
Inga said...: “Vance today: "We can disagree with each other and debate with one another but we cannot tell the American people that one candidate is a fascist and if he is elected it is going to be the end of American democracy."”

He [Trump] appears to believe that labelling his opponent a communist is something like a magic formula for winning an American election. “All we have to do is define our opponent as being a communist or a socialist or somebody that’s going to destroy our country,” he advised his followers at a rally in August.”; 9/16/24, 9:43 PM
FullMoon said...: A bit of levity:
Inga...Allie Oop said...
It’s only the sycophants who are still defending Trump nowadays. The writing is on the wall, and it says “Oh hell yes, it was collusion after all!” Criminal conspiracy charges are coming.....

11/4/17, 11:20 AM; 9/16/24, 9:43 PM
Inga said...: New Yorker; 9/16/24, 9:44 PM
Inga said...: Criminal charges did come and he still has a few trials to go through yet.; 9/16/24, 9:47 PM
Original Mike said...: Thank you for that post, Eva.

Yes, every current GOP candidate is the new Hitler.; 9/16/24, 9:48 PM
Wince said...: She’s a Marxist. She’s a fascist,” the former president declared last week, weirdly combining labels that normally contradict each other.

My Venn diagram of “Communist” and “Fascist” reveals substantial regions of overlap between the two.

It’s revealing when someone wants to distinguish one from the other.; 9/16/24, 9:57 PM
Peachy said...: Will the Media Apologize to Trump and Vance After Bomb Threats in Springfield Turned Out to Be Hoaxes?

or what about the assassin lies?; 9/16/24, 10:02 PM
Jim at said...: Vance is a hypocrite and so is Trump, they can hand it out but they can’t take it.

Maybe you could point out where Trump's rhetoric has led to multiple attempts on Kamala's life.; 9/16/24, 10:14 PM
Jim at said...: He [Trump] appears to believe that labelling his opponent a communist is something like a magic formula for winning an American election.

Whereas your magic formula is shooting them.; 9/16/24, 10:20 PM
Eva Marie said...: Melania’s book, still on pre-order, remains in the top 25 in Amazon sales. Right it’s 23. Poor Bill Gates, whose book is also on pre order, is ranked 55,878. In fairness, his book doesn’t come out till next year.; 9/16/24, 10:22 PM
Eva Marie said...: Right now; 9/16/24, 10:24 PM
Original Mike said...: Fascists put their political opponents in jail.; 9/16/24, 10:43 PM
Maynard said...: How many of Inga's hoaxes have been debunked, just in the past few days?

The bigger question is whether she is just really stupid or just really nuts.

OK. I know. I should embrace the power of AND.; 9/16/24, 11:04 PM
Iman said...: Like chewing on a pencil eraser based on my experience in Orlando30 years ago.; 9/16/24, 11:20 PM
Iman said...: Weak sauce, Inga. You’re fast running out of lame excuses. Time for some reflection on your part. Change your evil, malicious ways before it’s too late.; 9/16/24, 11:27 PM
Iman said...: C’mon, Mike. That’s going way over her head.; 9/16/24, 11:29 PM
Iman said...: Bingo!; 9/16/24, 11:32 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: “The bigger question is whether she is just really stupid or just really nuts.”

The result of smelling bed pans for 40+ years.; 9/17/24, 12:46 AM
wendybar said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 9/17/24, 2:16 AM
wendybar said...: Progressives have been coming out and just stating it as their truth. Sure, "SOME" people will say she only misspoke, but her intention is clear.....and we ALL know it.

"This writer does think it fair to mention that based on the chyron on the video, this is an older statement, but it also bears noticing that while the Left keeps calling out Trump for his 'incitement,' they never point out their own."

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REP. PLASKETT: "[Trump] needs to be shot, stopped."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1835769006768460210; 9/17/24, 2:21 AM
wendybar said...: ʞɹıɯ𝕊
@FoundersGirl

This drinking game isn't even fun anymore.

Leading Report
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BREAKING: FBI admits Trump sh**ter Ryan Routh has been on their radar since 2019.
5:10 PM · Sep 16, 2024; 9/17/24, 2:26 AM
Ralph L said...: Locally, every third ad on TV is for sports gambling, so I hope these guys don't get hooked on something else that's damaging.; 9/17/24, 2:26 AM
wendybar said...: Only if they can't throw them in prison with their hate and lies.; 9/17/24, 2:49 AM
gadfly said...: The Irish Rovers got it right:

You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty-back camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
But you're never gonna see no unicorn.

No stupid threats should have ever been made against legal immigrants and no one has been arrested - but Routhe, who never fired a shot at Donald Trump was. Routhe was charged with possession of a weapon by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number, so he had a ghost gun, which is currently not a part of current firearms rules as a result of a federal court decision.; 9/17/24, 3:01 AM
wendybar said...: "The Trump Rapid Response team emailed out numerous times the Democrats and media used “incendiary rhetoric” against former President Donald Trump.

“Thankfully, the would-be assassin was stopped by the heroic action of law enforcement — but make no mistake, this psycho was egged on by the rhetoric and lies that have flowed from Kamala Harris, Democrats, and their Fake News allies for years,” wrote the team."

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/09/trump-team-lists-democrats-media-incendiary-rhetoric-used-before-assassination-attempt/; 9/17/24, 3:05 AM
wendybar said...: Eric Abbenante
@EricAbbenante

Flashback to Lincoln Project cofounder Rick Wilson in 2023:
"They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump."

The mainstream media has the audacity to say that Trump's rhetoric incites violence.; 9/17/24, 3:06 AM
wendybar said...: Comment at Legal Insurrection that I would believe more than ANY Propaganda media site.

4fun

|September 16, 2024 at 9:55 pm

BREAKING
doj is now indicting President Trump for refusing to get shot by their assassins.; 9/17/24, 3:22 AM
wendybar said...: The difference being, that the bomb threats were hoaxes. 33 of them. Progressives owe Trump and Vance an apology. AGAIN. For lying, for spewing hate and lies, and for inciting violence. THEY are the
Domestic Terrorists they have been talking about. All they need to do is look in the mirror.

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The media is now simultaneously arguing that cat memes are responsible for bomb threats in Springfield but the entire Democrat Party making it central to their campaign that Trump is an existential threat to the country has no correlation with people trying to kill him.
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Donald Trump Is a Threat to Democracy, and Saying So Is Not Incitement https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-is-a-threat-to-democracy-saying-so-is-not-incitement.html
2:08 PM · Sep 16, 2024; 9/17/24, 3:29 AM
wendybar said...: If you follow twitter at all, you would see how Mark Cuban is always getting reamed for being as ignorant as you can be and STILL be a billionaire. TDS broke his mind.

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June, 2016. Mark Cuban says that if Hillary chooses Elizabeth Warren for VP, he will most likely vote for Trump.

"Taking it that far left would be a huge mistake."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1832852363775717767

Now Cuban shills for Kamala, probably the most liberal and radical nominee in American history.; 9/17/24, 3:54 AM
gadfly said...: According to T-Mobile when contacted by federal agents after the fact, Routh spent almost twelve hours at the chainlink fence from 1.59 AM until 1.31 PM on September 15 but his phone was inactive on Sunday. The morning crew of illegals working at the Trump International golf course must have slept in, while he camped out.

Remember the Pakistani man with ties to Iran, Asif Merchant, who pitched someone in the US — (referred to only as Confidential Source) in July with an opportunity to earn $100,000 to assassinate a political figure in the US? Too soon to know, I suppose.; 9/17/24, 4:08 AM
gadfly said...: Trump ordered the assassination of an Iranian General on January 4, 2020, when a US drone strike on Baghdad airport killed Qasem Soleimani.

Majid Takht Ravanchi, Iran’s ambassador to the UN, said that the attack was “tantamount to opening a war.” There will be revenge, he said.; 9/17/24, 4:19 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: That's what you find the most disturbing? That? Not the leftists who are blaming Trump for the actions of the shooter?

I find the attempted assass***tions most disturbing.; 9/17/24, 4:41 AM
Dixcus said...: Who should be our President:

a) a candidate nobody voted for but who took the nomination?

b) the candidate they've tried to murder twice?; 9/17/24, 4:55 AM
Leland said...: Inga today is like reading Hitler explaining how she is different than Mussolini and how that’s a good thing.; 9/17/24, 7:39 AM
Rusty said...: Jesus, gadfly. Your whole life is a non-sequitur.; 9/17/24, 8:47 AM
Rusty said...: The simplest answer is usually the best answer. Look no further than the DNC. They are the ones whos power is directly threatened.; 9/17/24, 8:55 AM
Bill Crawford said...: Thanks for this enlightening reply, Quaestor!; 9/17/24, 8:58 AM
Rusty said...: One reason I'm hestitant to engage her is that she has never had a thought that hasn't been someone elses first.
Those are the people I want to come here and debate. If they are capable.; 9/17/24, 8:59 AM
Michael K said...: Good summary of Yamamoto's role at the time.; 9/17/24, 12:01 PM
Michael K said...: More mush from the dullard.; 9/17/24, 12:04 PM
Michael K said...: Other than the fact that her policies look communist, what is your argument? I know she is trying to hide them but the are leaking out.; 9/17/24, 12:12 PM
Michael K said...: "And" is a pretty good estimate.; 9/17/24, 12:16 PM
Rusty said...: He ain't wrong.; 9/17/24, 1:00 PM
Rusty said...: Where is Freder?; 9/18/24, 8:53 AM