Said Trump, on Truth Social, quoted in "Trump to stage Wisconsin rally days after calling Milwaukee a 'horrible city'/Ticket-only event follows unflattering remark about state’s biggest city that will host Republican national convention" (The Guardian).
He also said this on Fox 6 News, which shows that he said something about Milwaukee: "I think it was very clear what I meant. We’re very concerned with crime. I love Milwaukee. But as you know the crime numbers are terrible, and we have to be very careful. But, I was referring to, also, the election."
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Good for Trump to make the Democrat's endless misinformation campaigns an item for discussion. I hope he and his supporters keep it up.
What Trump says: Its horrible whats happening to Milwaulkee under Biden. crime up - terrible. Poverty up - terrible. Biden is the worst POTUS ever.
What the MSM says Trump said - Trump calls Milwaulkee a horrible city.
Same tactic and Democrats/MSM have been using since August 2015. Lies, lies, lies. But dumbos never learn.
Most likely correct.
Everyone knows Philadelphia is the worst city in the nation and among the worst on earth.
Milwaukee isn't Philadelphia or Detroit. That is about as good as one can say about Milwaukee.
Everyone knows that it’s Madison that’s the horrible city in Wisconsin.
I am sure Rich and Chuck are over watching MSNBC to get the talking points to regurgitate here for our amusement.
Assuming RCOCEAN is correct, I assume myself horrified. It's exactly like misconstruing a comment about how horrible it is for a woman to be raped, as if being raped makes a woman horrible.
WHERE IS THE QUOTE?
Two-word quotes raise red flags. In this case, there is no actual quote, just "reportedly said" to a group of Republicans, one of whom obviously doesn't like him, and was the (sole?) source of the rumored quote.
Unless I'm reading this wrong.
"Big Mike said...
Everyone knows that it’s Madison that’s the horrible city in Wisconsin."
Having lived for many years in Milwaukee and Madison, I'll take Milwaukee. By far.
whatever it was, he didn't mean it, unless he did, especially on tuesday
Maybe Strawman Trump said it. They often get the two confused.
This might cost Trump the German vote.
just whatever it was, don't take it seriously. or was it literally? i forget...
Yancey Ward, I don't need MSNBC for any talking points.
The very day (days ago, now) that the "Milwaukee" story broke, I compared it to the "Shithole countries" story. Where it was very reliably reported that Trump had said it, and then we saw the TrumpWorld reaction. Half the TrumpFans thought that it was great, and that Trump was damned right to call them shithole countries. And the other half of TrumpFans claimed that of course Trump didn't say it. There again, Trump didn't deny it at first. Only when the blowback started to look bad, did Trump say, "They are lying about me." At that point 100% of TrumpFans pivoted; the new position wasn't "He was right to say it," and it wasn't "He never said it." The new position was, "Who cares? Only the libs care about it."
Aren't there a dozen similar stories in the pathetic history of the Trump presidency?
'At that point 100% of TrumpFans pivoted; the new position wasn't "He was right to say it," and it wasn't "He never said it." The new position was, "Who cares? Only the libs care about it."'
My position is he was right to say it (if he did).
I've travelled a fair amount.
There are many shithole countries and we are on the way to join them...
At 11:47 Judge Michael Gabelman describes just how corrupt Wisconsin and in particular the 5 largest cities including Milwaukee are.
He also talks about how corrupt the newspaper in Wisconsin is. They are just openly lying at this point about pretty much everything.
There are 5 million people in Wisconsin. There are approximately 4 million people of voting age alive.
There are 7 million people on the voter roles and you cannot access the voter roles without paying 5 figures and even then they restrict access.
It is pretty obvious that Trump had hundred's of thousands more actual voters in Wisconsin that Biden.
Chuck said...
Yancey Ward, I don't need MSNBC for any talking points.
The very day (days ago, now) that the "Milwaukee" story broke, I compared it to the "Shithole countries" story. Where it was very reliably reported that Trump had said it, and then we saw the TrumpWorld reaction. Half the TrumpFans thought that it was great, and that Trump was damned right to call them shithole countries. And the other half of TrumpFans claimed that of course Trump didn't say it. There again, Trump didn't deny it at first. Only when the blowback started to look bad, did Trump say, "They are lying about me." At that point 100% of TrumpFans pivoted; the new position wasn't "He was right to say it," and it wasn't "He never said it." The new position was, "Who cares? Only the libs care about it."
Aren't there a dozen similar stories in the pathetic history of the Trump presidency?
That was a poor effort Chuck.
Do better.
I live in Chicago. I love Chicago, but Chicago has horrible government, has a huge crime problem, and is completely financially irresponsible. Chicago's last Republican mayor left office in 1931, and he had an unholy alliance with Al Capone. All the Democrats since are political hacks who figure out ways to get tribute from business and the people. And the recent occupants of City Hall are the worst.
Chicago is a horrible city. Can my love survive?
Ahh …. “what I said and what I meant” .. hilarious!!
Wile just doesnt bring his best effort
So chisholm who failed to charge the waukesha killer but was laser focused on cyndi archer a walker xsmpsigh aide
It should be noted that LLR-democratical And Violent Homosexual Rage Rape Fantasist Chuck, just yesterday at Althouse, was peddling the lie that Dementia-Glitch boy did NOT freeze up on stage AND that obambi did NOT lead Dementia-Glitch boy off stage...and Chuck was using the worst doctored video you ever saw (many have seen it now) to advance his transparent lie...which he has yet to retract...being the lefty liar that he is.
In fact, LLR-democratical Chuck cursed out those pointing out that Dementia-Glitch boy had indeed frozen and was led pulled off stage by obambi...as the uncut video CLEARLY shows.
The entire world is laughing at LLR-democratical Chuck and the rest of the Dementia-Glitch boy's minions.
'Chicago is a horrible city. Can my love survive?'
I used to visit Chicago just about every year for the past 30 years or so.
It is a great town when it comes to nice people, sports, bars, incredible food, etc.
But it has one fucked-up government run top-to-bottom by race-grifting democrats.
Too bad.
Eric Weinstein, lifelong liberal democrat provides some much needed sanity on X (which New Soviet Democratical Rich is laughably claiming is the russki conduit into our 2024 election!...yes, the buffoon really did think that one might work!):
Eric Weinstein---
"One question I get a lot is "What explains your asymmetric focus on Democrats and the Left?"
The short answer, after some soul searching and introspection, is simply this: "The Gaslighting of Experts."
I see the Republican party fighting the experts they oppose. I don't see them trying to gaslight them much.
Let's say you are an economist who believes that higher taxes spent on infrastructure would be good for the nation. The right may fight you. They may call you a name like "Libtard" or "Commie". And that is absolutely awful behavior to me. Truly. But they aren't nearly as likely to coordinate behind the scenes in emails to be discovered later and all agree to pretend, seemingly independently, that as a former expert you have committed some unclear moral crime that means you can never be empaneled or invited onto a commission. They aren't immediately going to treat you like a mental patient, a con-artist, or threat to society. They are just going to be asses. That's the dopey game they love: "Happy Warriors" is what they call it.
And the subjects I focus on most tend to be the places where I think dissenting experts are being gaslit:
COVID ORIGINS
SOUTHERN BORDER
STRING THEORY
POTUS COGNITIVE STATE AND AGE
EPSTEIN'S INTELLIGENCE CONNECTION
COVID MANAGEMENT
QUESTIONING UKRAINE NATO STRATEGY
INFLATION/GROWTH MEASUREMENT
MONETARY AGGREGATES AND FED INTERVENTION
VP COMPETENCY
ASYMMETRIC TREATMENT OF CONTESTING ELECTIONS and VIOLENT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
VACCINE INJURY DISCUSSION
SEX AND GENDER REDEFINITION
ANDREW YANG / TULSI GABBARD / RON PAUL / ETC. PRIMARY MANIPULATION
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANY INTERFERENCE
DENIED LEGACY UAP PROGRAMS
HUNTER BIDEN LAPTOP STORY
DIRTY TRICKS CAMPAIGNS / DOMESTIC SPYING
NON-CONSENSUAL HUMAN TESTING (infectious agents, radioactivity)
BAILOUTS
MAXIMALIST STRUCTURAL BIGOTRY CLAIMS
LABOR MARKET FLOODING VIA IMMIGRATION
RELIGIOUS TERRORISM
Etc.
In all cases above, there is some absolutely *MASSIVE* long-term lying and obfuscation. Not small. Not excusable. I am talking about massive lies. Lies that last decades. Lies too large to choke a blue whale.
And they incinerate dissenting experts as pretend neer-do-wells for the crime of dissenting from consensus.
What is the point of becoming an expert Stanford or Harvard professor if you can be turned into a "Fringe Epidemiologist" like @DrJBhattacharya was overnight by some washington insiders like Colins and Fauci?
To an academic: it makes life pointless. Everything we are becomes pointless if that is allowed to stand.
So, this is what I have to say: I appear to be focused on gaslighting of dissenting experts more than politics.
It's not that I don't have political opinions. I do. It's that I haven't been able to focus on them for years. All we seem to do these days is deal with gaslighting on our top line issues above.
And the formula is quite simple. An expert can have:
A) Reach.
B) Reputation.
C) Independence.
but no more than 2 out of 3.
This is a terrible rule. And whoever attempts to enforce that rule, is who I fight. Unfortunately, that group has been my own historic political party as transformed over 30 years.
And, in my opinion, they deserve to continue to hemorrage credibility for that crime against their own until they end this tactic. It's a crime against everything I believe with all my soul. We need *DISSENTING* experts to right our listing ship on all of the above and more.
Check the above list. That's no small thing. It's about the destruction of a country that I dearly love and which the world needs desperately to come back at this moment.
Thanks for hearing me out."
Blogger Rich said...
Ahh …. “what I said and what I meant” .. hilarious!!
Actually it is.
Nobody thinks Democrats or this Regime are a part of the greater community anymore. Nobody thinks Joe Biden or the people that support him uphold any of the ideals that we believe define the United States.
We know exactly what he was saying. And he is letting us all say it out loud.
He was obviously referring to the corrupt amoral repulsive fascist democrats that are making the lives of average people in Milwaukee worse.
They are doing it all over the country. Everyone hates you now.
Have fun with that.
Worth repeating:
"Check the above list. That's no small thing. It's about the destruction of a country that I dearly love and which the world needs desperately to come back at this moment."--Eric Weinstein
EW describes well the destruction that our New Soviet Democraticals/LLR-democraticals (but I repeat myself) have already wrought and continue to worsen...whilst all the while claiming they represent the saviors of democracy (note: they never say "the republic", do they?)
Pat Paulsen for President, years ago. Gets off the plane at Miwaukee: Milwaukee is my favorite city. Cleveland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Austin, etc.
Eric Weinstein, lifelong liberal democrat provides some much needed sanity on X (which New Soviet Democratical Rich is laughably claiming is the russki conduit into our 2024 election!...yes, the buffoon really did think that one might work!):
Eric Weinstein---
"One question I get a lot is "What explains your asymmetric focus on Democrats and the Left?"
The short answer, after some soul searching and introspection, is simply this: "The Gaslighting of Experts."
I see the Republican party fighting the experts they oppose. I don't see them trying to gaslight them much.
Let's say you are an economist who believes that higher taxes spent on infrastructure would be good for the nation. The right may fight you. They may call you a name like "Libtard" or "Commie". And that is absolutely awful behavior to me. Truly. But they aren't nearly as likely to coordinate behind the scenes in emails to be discovered later and all agree to pretend, seemingly independently, that as a former expert you have committed some unclear moral crime that means you can never be empaneled or invited onto a commission. They aren't immediately going to treat you like a mental patient, a con-artist, or threat to society. They are just going to be asses. That's the dopey game they love: "Happy Warriors" is what they call it.
And the subjects I focus on most tend to be the places where I think dissenting experts are being gaslit:
COVID ORIGINS
SOUTHERN BORDER
STRING THEORY
POTUS COGNITIVE STATE AND AGE
EPSTEIN'S INTELLIGENCE CONNECTION
COVID MANAGEMENT
QUESTIONING UKRAINE NATO STRATEGY
INFLATION/GROWTH MEASUREMENT
MONETARY AGGREGATES AND FED INTERVENTION
VP COMPETENCY
ASYMMETRIC TREATMENT OF CONTESTING ELECTIONS and VIOLENT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
VACCINE INJURY DISCUSSION
SEX AND GENDER REDEFINITION
ANDREW YANG / TULSI GABBARD / RON PAUL / ETC. PRIMARY MANIPULATION
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANY INTERFERENCE
DENIED LEGACY UAP PROGRAMS
HUNTER BIDEN LAPTOP STORY
DIRTY TRICKS CAMPAIGNS / DOMESTIC SPYING
NON-CONSENSUAL HUMAN TESTING (infectious agents, radioactivity)
BAILOUTS
MAXIMALIST STRUCTURAL BIGOTRY CLAIMS
LABOR MARKET FLOODING VIA IMMIGRATION
RELIGIOUS TERRORISM
Etc.
In all cases above, there is some absolutely *MASSIVE* long-term lying and obfuscation. Not small. Not excusable. I am talking about massive lies. Lies that last decades. Lies too large to choke a blue whale.
And they incinerate dissenting experts as pretend neer-do-wells for the crime of dissenting from consensus.
What is the point of becoming an expert Stanford or Harvard professor if you can be turned into a "Fringe Epidemiologist" like @DrJBhattacharya was overnight by some washington insiders like Colins and Fauci?
To an academic: it makes life pointless. Everything we are becomes pointless if that is allowed to stand.
So, this is what I have to say: I appear to be focused on gaslighting of dissenting experts more than politics.
It's not that I don't have political opinions. I do. It's that I haven't been able to focus on them for years. All we seem to do these days is deal with gaslighting on our top line issues above.
And the formula is quite simple. An expert can have:
A) Reach.
B) Reputation.
C) Independence.
but no more than 2 out of 3.
This is a terrible rule. And whoever attempts to enforce that rule, is who I fight. Unfortunately, that group has been my own historic political party as transformed over 30 years.
And, in my opinion, they deserve to continue to hemorrage credibility for that crime against their own until they end this tactic. It's a crime against everything I believe with all my soul. We need *DISSENTING* experts to right our listing ship on all of the above and more.
Check the above list. That's no small thing. It's about the destruction of a country that I dearly love and which the world needs desperately to come back at this moment.
Thanks for hearing me out."
He “loves Milwaukee”? He must think you cultists are complete dupes and can no longer discern lie from truth.
When Trump says something is "terrible", or something along those lines, a rupar ensues.
It's a little-known rule from The New School of Journalism.
Not like the solem rule of Lemnity, that everybody knows... and love.
We all know that Trump thinks about himself and others the same way that Mike Myers spoke about Scottish things.
If it ain't Trump, it's crap!
CJinPA said...
WHERE IS THE QUOTE?
Two-word quotes raise red flags. In this case, there is no actual quote, just "reportedly said" to a group of Republicans, one of whom obviously doesn't like him, and was the (sole?) source of the rumored quote.
Unless I'm reading this wrong.
You read it wrong. I'm not picking on you for your good faith question; I am grinding on this for the sake of clarity.
Jake Sherman reported the story first, and he used a full quote, in quotation marks: "Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city." Sherman is standing by his reporting; NBC has confirmed it from multiple sources.
Here's where a thoughtful Trump defender might start. Start with EXACTLY what Trump said. Did he say Milawaukee was horrible? Did he say Milwaukee crime was horrible? That Milwaukee election operations were horrible? That there was a park in Milwaukee that was horrible? And when you do get a clear, verbatim readout on what Trump actually now claims, compare that to the 6 or 8 different House Republican claims about what was said.
I really do love these stories more than I should. Not because I care too much about the substance (because I don't care about any substance with Trump) but rather because this is one of those stories that puts another Trump lie in the spotlight, and it divides TrumpWorld.
The crime numbers are horrible. Half the city is dilapidated and run down. Crime has spread to the once safe downtown area. We are much more in touch with Milwaukee's deterioration here in bordering Waukesha County, than the Ivory Tower elite in Madison and Dance County. They don't get Milwaukee crime on their local news. Plus, they don't care.
Trump didn't go far enough. Milwaukee is a heartbreaking shit hole.
23. Milwaukee is a horrible city
See my cafe post from yesterday
Chuck is still holding on the the belief that it must be true that Trump truly says bad things even though every time the full story is revealed, he didn't.
There is a pony under there somewhere, Chuck, keep digging.
Master Trump first gets Milwaukee's attention, with his initial inciteful commentary.
Then he takes the opportunity to speak directly to the folks there, making his case that he can solve their problems.
Media freaks out, tries to grab the framing back from Trump, fail miserably.
Wonderful.
That is an incomplete quote Chuck.
It would be like quoting Jill Biden, sorry, Dr. Jill Biden, who literally said: " Joe isn’t one of the most effective presidents of our lives"
And if Biden were a Republican, yes, that's how that quote would have been reported.
LLR-democratical And Violent Homosexual Rage Rape Fantasist Chuck: "Jake Sherman reported the story first, and he used a full quote, in quotation marks: "Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city." Sherman is standing by his reporting; NBC has confirmed it from multiple sources."
LOLxInfinity
Jake Sherman launched a fake quote.
EVERY participant in the room has publicly stated it DID NOT happen!
And Sherman is standing behind his reporting?!
No kidding! Lefty lying media hacks actually win Pulitzer Prizes for standing behind their false reporting!
LLR-democratical Chuck simply cant help himself! Someone should take Cbuckles by the arm and lead him off the Althouse stage the way obambi had to pull the freezed-up Dementia-Glitch boy off the stage!
Inga: "He “loves Milwaukee”? He must think you cultists are complete dupes and can no longer discern lie from truth."
Inga, like the rest of the whitebread lefty chick New Soviet Democraticals, is very very upset that those darn minorities are fleeing Inga's democratical plantations!
Inga is one of those white chick Karens that likes to lecture the folks of color while she White Savior's them!
Its hilarious watching in real time.
Chuck said...
Jake Sherman reported the story first, and he used a full quote, in quotation marks: "Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city." Sherman is standing by his reporting; NBC has confirmed it from multiple sources.
Ann's post had no direct info. Her Guardian link had no direct info. Your link goes to a Twitter post. The local NBC affiliate attributes it to...the same Twitter post.
I found a CNN article that quotes "a source." And says this:
Rep. Derrick Van Orden, a Wisconsin Republican who was in the room, made clear to CNN that Trump was “specifically referring to crime in Milwaukee” and not the city itself.
So, a rational reader can conclude he said something close to the rumor, close enough to be twisted by partisans. Which in this case includes the media.
This is actually kind of a big day for Inga. A violent criminal illegal alien killed a mother a 5.
This is the sort of fellow Inga will go to bat for and say he has that "spark of divinity".
Interestingly, do you know how many times Inga has said a victim of these vicious criminal illegal aliens had a "spark of divinity"?
Precisely zero.
Zero.
That is quite telling.
Same tactic and Democrats/MSM have been using since August 2015.
Way, way before that, my friend.
The Guardian of the Democratic ministry of misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, and handmade tales.
“Inga, like the rest of the whitebread lefty chick New Soviet Democraticals, is very very upset that those darn minorities are fleeing Inga's democratical plantations!
Inga is one of those white chick Karens that likes to lecture the folks of color while she White Savior's them!”
Oh Lordy, now Drago says all Trump followers are minorities and “folks of color”. Just like all the “folks of color” in the Black church Trump rented in Detroit that was filled with white slobbering Trump cultists.
Idiots, just like you.
What an article. Never a direct quote showing what he actually did say "recently" much less any context about what the topic of discussion was. Too bad journalism is dead and idiots like the ones running the Guardian killed it.
White Savior Karen Inga: "Oh Lordy, now Drago says all Trump followers are minorities and “folks of color”."
LOL
ANOTHER fakw quote!
Are fake quotes, like fake collusion and hoax dossiers simply in your DNA?
Hey, you better tell Harry Enten over at CNN election central that he is getting it all wrong!
Too funny.
Milwaukee is a Blue-Ribbon city and everyone knows it.
Pabst Blue-Ribbon.
If Trump actually said it in 2024, there will be video. No video, he didn't say it.
Drago, re Eric Weinstein, how does string theory make that list?
According to CNN:
"Trump has tripled his support among Black voters from 7% in 2020 to 21% today.
Among Black voters aged 50+, Biden has dropped 9 points.
Among Black voters under age 50, Biden nearly halved his support, dropping 43 points."
Harry Enten comments: ""I keep looking for signs that this is going to go back to normal and I don’t see it yet in the polling," Enten said. "If anything, right now we’re careening towards historic performance for a Republican presidential candidate, the likes of which we have not seen in six decades."
Poor, poor, uninformed White Savior Karen Inga who supports open borders for illegal alien murderers.
Can't help but notice that the usual LLR's and whatnot showed up to dump all over Trump, but no one has showed up to suggest in any way that Milwaukee is not a horrible city.
CJinPA said...
WHERE IS THE QUOTE?
Two-word quotes raise red flags. In this case, there is no actual quote, just "reportedly said" to a group of Republicans, one of whom obviously doesn't like him, and was the (sole?) source of the rumored quote.
Unless I'm reading this wrong.
You read it wrong. I'm not picking on you for your good faith question; I am grinding on this for the sake of clarity.
Jake Sherman reported the story first, and he used a full quote, in quotation marks: "Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city." Sherman is standing by his reporting; NBC has confirmed it from multiple sources.
Here's where a thoughtful Trump defender might start. Start with EXACTLY what Trump said. Did he say Milawaukee was horrible? Did he say Milwaukee crime was horrible? That Milwaukee election operations were horrible? That there was a park in Milwaukee that was horrible? And when you do get a clear, verbatim readout on what Trump actually now claims, compare that to the 6 or 8 different House Republican claims about what was said.
I really do love these stories more than I should. Not because I care too much about the substance (because I don't care about any substance with Trump) but rather because this is one of those stories that puts another Trump lie in the spotlight, and it divides TrumpWorld.
Interesting.
tommyesq: "Drago, re Eric Weinstein, how does string theory make that list?"
Both Weinstein brothers are physicists and have many thoughts on what they deem wasted decades spent by "physicists" at Universities and research centers on highly theoretical mathematics that will never be in a position to be tested nor advance our practical, useful understanding of physics in ways that help humanity.
This is actually a huge disagreement within the community.
All the heavy funding goes to the deeply theoretical math side of the house. Practical physics is happening on the materials science and compute side.
“There is a pony under there somewhere, Chuck, keep digging.”
Pony!?
You keep fuckin’ that chicken, Chuck.
According to the Wisconsin Independent
“Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city,” Trump told House Republicans in a meeting at the Capitol Hill Club, according to Punchbowl News’ Jake Sherman. Members of Wisconsin's congressional delegation (who were in the room) confirmed the comment to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and other news outlets. Milwaukee will host the Republican National Convention from July 15-18.
Trump first claimed he was talking about crime in the city.
“I think it was very clear what I meant. I said we’re very concerned with crime. I love Milwaukee. I have great friends in Milwaukee. But it’s, as you know, the crime numbers are terrible, and we have to be very careful,” Trump told Fox News.
Crime has actually dropped in Milwaukee this year, with homicides dropping 39%, robberies dropping 14%, and motor vehicle theft dropping 10%, the Milwaukee Police Department announced in April.
Trump later denied he had called Milwaukee horrible altogether, writing in a Truth Social post: “The Democrats are making up stories that I said Milwaukee is a ‘horrible city.’
Tomorrow he will have another story and some cultist friends among House Republicans will lie through their teeth for him again. But the billboard reminders are all over the city - one is outside the Baird Center, site of the GOP convention downtown for all the world to see.
Chuck said...
CJinPA said...
WHERE IS THE QUOTE?
Two-word quotes raise red flags. In this case, there is no actual quote, just "reportedly said" to a group of Republicans, one of whom obviously doesn't like him, and was the (sole?) source of the rumored quote.
Unless I'm reading this wrong.
You read it wrong. I'm not picking on you for your good faith question; I am grinding on this for the sake of clarity.
Jake Sherman reported the story first, and he used a full quote, in quotation marks: "Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city." Sherman is standing by his reporting; NBC has confirmed it from multiple sources.
I just want to thank Chuck for being so obviously dishonest.
A hack reporter said Trump said something.
There is no actual quote. Just what people said someone said.
All the people who believed Russian Collusion now believe this lie too.
Do not stop Chuck. Keep showing everyone just how pathetic, dishonest, and unlikable you people are.
This thread is worth 5 new Trump voters.
So the problem with tracking down that quote is that it was a closed meeting with house Republicans. Every media outlet put the word "horrible" in quotes, so someone must have said he used that word but we have no direct evidence of the context.
There is this story from CNBC a week ago
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/13/trump-calls-milwaukee-a-horrible-city-ahead-of-republican-convention.html
containing these nuggets:
1. "Several Republican lawmakers also denied he made the comments in the meeting, held at the Capitol Hill Club." {Translation the media got the quote wrong.]
2. Wisconsin Republican said: “I was in the room. President Trump did not say this,” Steil said. “There is no better place than Wisconsin in July.”
3. Other congressional Republicans sought to contextualize Trump’s comments, with Rep. Derrick Van Orden, of Wisconsin, saying the former president was specifically referring to the city’s crime rate. While others reportedly said Trump was speaking about election integrity. [Note, those are both in Trump's remarks today.]
Bottom line: the media like to repeat ad nauseam (like Rich and Chuck) stories Democrats tell them, even with no evidence, even after people actually in the meeting "dispute Trump said that."
Reaction: Fuck the media. Trump has a better record of truth telling than his media foes.
gadfly said...
According to the Wisconsin Independent
“Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city,” Trump told House Republicans in a meeting at the Capitol Hill Club, according to Punchbowl News’ Jake Sherman.
You highlighted the wrong part.
The part you need to highlight is the "according to Punchbowl News’ Jake Sherman."
Fun fact: if you pronounce the "L" in Milwaukee you're from someplace else.
"NBC has confirmed it from multiple sources."
Well, that settles it. What more do you need?
"Jacob Scott Sherman[1] (born December 16, 1985)[1] is an American journalist and writer. He is the co-founder of Punchbowl News, a daily newsletter service focusing on Congress. He is an NBC News and MSNBC political analyst. He previously worked for Politico, among other media outlets."
Yeah, I'm going to need a recording.
And truth be told, I don't really care. Why should I?
Blogger tcrosse said..."Fun fact: if you pronounce the "L" in Milwaukee you're from someplace else."
True
"NBC has confirmed it from multiple sources."
Mason G: "Well, that settles it. What more do you need?"
Kompromat!!!
Muhwaukee
I was going to vote for that Trump guy, but then he said Muhwaukee is a horrible city, so I'm going to vote for that Biden guy instead.
'Fun fact: if you pronounce the "L" in Milwaukee you're from someplace else.
Some places are good places to be from.
Crime has actually dropped in Milwaukee this year, with homicides dropping 39%, robberies dropping 14%, and motor vehicle theft dropping 10%, the Milwaukee Police Department announced in April.
Terrorists flying planes into buildings dropped 100% in 2002. It didn't make the policies that enabled 9/11 to be less bad.
In Rich and Chuck's "defense", it's possible Jake Sherman's lie and fake quote might have been originally packaged in a hoax dossier.
We know our New Soviet Democraticals looooooooooooooove ANY LIE as long as it is packaged in a hoax dossier. It's like catnip for them!
Actually, they looooooooooove ANY LIE. The hoax dossier format just makes it that much more enjoyable for them.
Crime has actually dropped in Milwaukee this year, with homicides dropping 39%, robberies dropping 14%, and motor vehicle theft dropping 10%, the Milwaukee Police Department announced in April.
What happens to the crime rate when people stop reporting crimes because they don't expect the police to do anything about it?
Asking for a friend.
Alleged lawyer Chuck, are you familiar with "he said, she said" legal cases based on nothing more than hearsay, and the difficulties they present?
Well, this is a "he said, he said" situation.
The claimed quote was delivered during a closed session with House Republicans. The "quote" is thus hearsay, straight up.
So, produce hard evidence other than what a hostile reporter or a newspaper CLAIMS Trump said, and you will have a point. Otherwise you're making an assertion "without evidence", as the lying MSM likes to say.
btw: I hear those assless chaps you wore in the Gay Pride parade were the hit of the event.
"Assless chaps" sounds like a sex reassignment surgery gone horribly wrong. Of course, that could be where they get brains to implant into leftists.
So, produce hard evidence other than what a hostile reporter or a newspaper CLAIMS Trump said, and you will have a point.
It is worse than that, it is what a hostile reporter claims someone who was there heard Trump say. Double hearsay. Also, don't forget that the way the mainstream media works is that this reporter will give the story to a reporter from a different outlet and then use that outlet as a "confirmatory source." The whole Russia-gate story turned out to be one big circle-jerk.
Sheesh gadfly. The Wisconsin Independent? It’s not even a real newspaper.
“Wisconsin Independent is a non-profit news site that features original reporting and commentary from progressive sources across the state. It is a project of the High Ground Institute, a tax-exempt 501 (c)3 organization, and it welcomes donations and feedback.”
I meant to say this earlier; kudos to Althouse on crafting this blog-post. Specifically, for the inclusion of Trump’s own after-the-fact remark where he quite apparently said something derogatory about Milwaukee, which Trump wanted to try to clean up in a particular way.
So many Trump defenders among Althouse’s commenters; surely one of you can state very specifically what it is that Trump actually said.
The crowd is deracinated.
"It is worse than that, it is what a hostile reporter claims someone who was there heard Trump say. Double hearsay."
Chuck's link did not address this. Is Jacob Sherman saying HE, Jacob Sherman, heard Trump say this?
One of my shirt-tail relatives was a guy named Frank Zeidler, who was the last Socialist mayor of Milwaukee. He was voted out in a particularly nasty election in 1960, then devoted himself to Good Works, and also running for President on the Socialist ticket. I had a chat with him at my grandmother's funeral in 1974, and he opined that Socialism was a particularly hard sell to a diverse electorate, which is what Milwaukee had by that time, but not so much when he was first elected. My parents' old neighborhood on the North Side is one I would advise nobody to visit.
LLR-democratical And Violent Homosexual Rage Rape Fantasist Chuck: "So many Trump defenders among Althouse’s commenters; surely one of you can state very specifically what it is that Trump actually said."
LOL
Oh, so NOW, after all your serial lies and BS have been debunked and shoved back down your lying lefty gin and tonic soaked gullet, NOW you want a little help to know what was actually said?!
Too funny.
A little late to try and "reset" the conversation in a "lets not quibble about who killed who" sort of way.
As with your pathetic denial via edited video defense of Dementia-Glitch boy being led off stage by obambi, its time to MoveOn.com laddie to whatever your next set of lies will be.
"So many Trump defenders among Althouse’s commenters; surely one of you can state very specifically what it is that Trump actually said."
I don't understand. You're saying you believe one of the commenters was actually there?
One of my comments disappeared, so forgive me for asking again. Is Jacob Sherman claiming he heard this himself?
Now another comment disappeared!
And a 3rd comment disappears. I don't think they've been unacceptable, but maybe I crossed some line.
OK, I'm going to be completely banal because I really want to know: Does anyone know if Jacob Sherman claims to have heard this himself?
Ahh …. “what I said and what I meant” .. hilarious!!
"We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”
Mm hmm. Hilarious indeed. Are you the goose or the gander?
"Does anyone know if Jacob Sherman claims to have heard this himself?"
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard Jacob say he heard about it himself. I guess it's pretty serious.
huck said...
So many Trump defenders among Althouse’s commenters; surely one of you can state very specifically what it is that Trump actually said.
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Cut the bullshit, "lawyer" Chuck: you know that the burden of proof is on YOU.
asshole
6/18/24, 3:26 PM
Original Mike: "OK, I'm going to be completely banal because I really want to know: Does anyone know if Jacob Sherman claims to have heard this himself?"
He admits he did not.
But Sherman knows precisely the quote the New Soviet Democraticals needed for their narrative....and that's all the New Soviet Democraticals have ever needed to create their fake quotes, lies and hoaxes....so that's what he delivered.
And he will be rewarded for this lie.
Mason G—best line from Ferris Bueller.
"He admits he did not."
Thanks, Drago.
And let me go out on a limb and guess that Sherman will not identify who did hear it. Cuz that would be revealing sources.
Who, in the year 2024, gets taken in by this nonsense?
I’m thoroughly satisfied with what I know to have been reported about what Trump said.
My reason for asking TrumpWorld what was said, is to see if there is yet (now five+ days later) a single coherent version of what Trump claims that he said. However many sources back any Trump story up, can be measured against Jake Sherman’s reporting (multiple sources), NBC News (multiple sources), and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel (multiple sources). A Trump story, backed up by the likes of Derrick Van Orden and Glenn Grothman, can also be measured against what they previously claimed about the meeting.
Chuck, hearsay, double hearsay, triple hearsay, quadruple hearsay.........
are still hearsay.
So just STFU.
"And let me go out on a limb and guess that Sherman will not identify who did hear it. Cuz that would be revealing sources."
Or maybe it would be revealing that he just made it up because he knew he'd never be expected to back up his claim with- you know- actual facts.
Chuck, has anyone stood up and said "I heard it"?
LLR-democratical And Violent Homosexual Rage Rape Fantasist Chuck: "I’m thoroughly satisfied with what I know to have been reported about what Trump said."
LOL
Perfect.
Absolutely perfect.
Biden froze up again while speaking today of his new amnesty plan.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/06/18/biden-announces-his-new-amnesty-plan-and-completely-malfunctions-in-the-process-n2175645
That is the strangest expression on his face that I've ever seen. It's as if his brain just froze completely and he lost all his memory, and his facial expression shows it. Biden is now getting progressively worse from one day to the next. At this rate, he will not make it to November. He may not even make it until the nominating convention in August. Heck, he may not make it until the debate next week. I can't believe Jill Biden is allowing much less encouraging this abuse of her husband.
Wanna have some fun with Chuckles?
Have him name the sources from this comment "However many sources back any Trump story up, can be measured against Jake Sherman’s reporting (multiple sources), NBC News (multiple sources), and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel (multiple sources)."
So many sources! So very very very "many" "sources"! How many exactly? What are their names? What are their exact "quotes" from which Sherman derived his "Steele Dossier"-like Trump-"quote"?
Why not just claim you have eleventy-jillion sources?!
Remember, this is the very LLR-democratical Chuck that denies the video footage of obambi grabbing Dementia-Glitch boy's arm!
Such a fantastic thread for all LLR-democratical Chuck observers! It satisfies EVERYTHING we have come to know about Chuck over the last 9+ years!
Nowadays, everybody's got a phone. Certainly reporters do. I'd say the fact there is no recording is pretty good evidence it didn't happen as reported.
As a rural Wisconsinite, I'm in full agreement with Trump's alleged assessment.
We watch Milwaukee tv morning news, which we call the "Who got shot overnight" report.
Chuck: "I’m thoroughly satisfied with what I know to have been reported about what Trump said."
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Chuck: "Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies"
Chuck chugs the kool-aid and admits he loves the sugar high it gives him. What type of person admits they enjoys being lied to day after day? Who admits they believe a lie, refuses to look at the truth, and then defends doing so while practically asking for more lies? It baffles my mind!
“What type of person admits they enjoys being lied to day after day? Who admits they believe a lie, refuses to look at the truth, and then defends doing so while practically asking for more lies?”
Trump cultists?
What lie, Inga? What truth? You don't know what happened.
The sources who confirmed the comment all got it from the same source. We've seen this before multiple times in regards to allegations against Trump. One reporter will make up a quote, there will be no video evidence to support it, but all media sites will say they have "confirmed" it. Confirming means they read or listened to Sherman's accusations. There is only once source.
Inga, you know it's Pride Month. You shouldn't walk into a Trumptard Circle Jerk and not expect some flying jizz on the ceiling, on the curtains, on the walls.
Milwaukee is horrible.
The crime is horrible.
The corruption is horrible.
The murder rate is horrible.
The traffic is horrible.
Have you ever been to Aurora Hospital? Froedert?! The Healthcare is horrible!
The hotels are run down and horrible.
The food is overpriced and horrible.
Milwaukee is horrible.
“Trump cultists?”
You’re a lying, dog-faced pony humper, Igna!
Inga said...
“What type of person admits they enjoys being lied to day after day? Who admits they believe a lie, refuses to look at the truth, and then defends doing so while practically asking for more lies?”
Trump cultists?
Inga still believes in Russian collusion and still believes the laptop was Russian disinformation.
That is how stupid she is.
There are many shithole countries and we are on the way to join them...
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is it still shithole if shit is shat into diapers ? and officially demonstrated how to!
Trump- short sided, lazy speaker - who steps on his dick.
Biden - an actual criminal.
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves: "Trump- short sided, lazy speaker - who steps on his dick."
LOL
What does "short sided" mean there, supposedly non-lazy writer?
Amazing how often morons think they are so much smarter than accomplished individuals.
Here's a different perspective from Boulder Idiot's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-pk-aVvVNs
Don't bother watching it Boulder Idiot. It's way, way, WAY beyond you.
Inga said...
“What type of person admits they enjoys being lied to day after day? Who admits they believe a lie, refuses to look at the truth, and then defends doing so while practically asking for more lies?”
Trump cultists?
6/18/24, 5:35 PM
Says the Russian Collusion Hoax true believer!!!
Lilly, a dog said...
Inga, you know it's Pride Month. You shouldn't walk into a Trumptard Circle Jerk and not expect some flying jizz on the ceiling, on the curtains, on the walls.
6/18/24, 7:22 PM
don't worry Lilly, she is a Progressive. She is used to it. She has been use to it since she was a young little girl. Ask Ashley Biden.
Iman said...
“Trump cultists?”
"You’re a lying, dog-faced pony humper, Igna!"
Don't give her any ideas. The large breed dogs in the neighborhood are already jittery.
Hey! How about Port Washington!? What a town!
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