December 10, 2023

"We’ll turn toward abstraction. I predict that Donald Trump is going to win the election and, when people seek some sort of relief valve or means to move forward..."

"... I don’t think they’re going to do that by looking at a bunch of figurative paintings. We’ll need to stare into the blur and ask the biggest possible questions: 'Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?' And those are questions that abstraction, as a mode, posits … I also think we’ll encounter a radical new abstraction. Take Wade Guyton’s [recent] show at Matthew Marks Gallery in New York or Julie Mehretu’s at White Cube in London. These weren’t just shows of paintings on the wall: They moved into the space. [Going forward], the painting itself will surround you."

Says the painter Adam Pendleton, 39, answering the question "What will the cultural trends be?," part of a large collection of answered questions in "The T Predictor: What We’ll Be Obsessing Over in 2024/We asked 46 artists, filmmakers, chefs and other creative people to forecast next year’s cultural trends. (Spoiler: We’re all going to be wearing a lot of brown)" (T/ The NYT Style Magazine).

I like Pendleton's questions in relation to Trump: "Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?" I was just blogging an Atlantic article that examined the old saying "This is not who we are." If it is what we are doing, then you're in denial to say "This is not who we are." Apparently, it is who we are.

So, I'm with Pendleton. We've got to ask "Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?" Whether staring into an abstract painting — a "blur" or something sharply delineated — will yield any answers or even just "relief," who knows? Is it a "means to move forward"? We're told those Guyton and Mehretu paintings move into our space, and we find ourselves surrounded. And maybe that's how we'll feel, come January 2025.

58 comments:

Wince said...

We’ll need to stare into the blur and ask the biggest possible questions: 'Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?'

"What does it make you think of?"

RNB said...

"We're all going to be wearing a lot of brown"? So the elites are going to join the Sturmabteilung?

rehajm said...

All this stupid crisis navel gazing by stupid narcissists. This angst would exist with any Republican leading the Democrat. You assholes live in a nation where you don’t always get your way, even when your side cheats like Hell…

Bender said...

We've got to ask "Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?"

People have only been doing that for THE LAST FOUR THOUSAND YEARS. And especially the last 60 years.

And the thing is this....it ain't that hard to figure out.

It's just that some people don't like the answers. So they ask and ask and ask and ask and ask, meanwhile thinking that they can reinvent reality.

mikee said...

"Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?"

As I commented in the other post, Leftists and other Democrats need to ask themselves why THEY are hated by us, find those faults within themselves and within their ideology and policy, and through rigorous self-criticism correct themselves.

The Left has long history of failure, followed by attempting the exact same thing only trying harder. The Left needs to sit in a circle, navel-gaze awhile, and apply some Chinese Communist self-criticism to weed out the 50% to 90% of their policies that don't work.

Mao saw "conscientious practice" of self-criticism as a quality that distinguished the Chinese Communist Party from other parties. Mao championed self-criticism saying "dust will accumulate if a room is not cleaned regularly, our faces will get dirty if they are not washed regularly."

And he killed a whole lotta Chinese who didn't do as he suggested, so I think he really believed in self-criticism. Try it, Lefties, what do you have to lose other than your ideological bliinders?

Anagram Margana said...

Another application of Pogo's "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Michael said...

Humbug. You'll learn a lot more by (really) looking at the Mona Lisa, or even Nighthawks.

retail lawyer said...

What of the people who need a relief valve or means to move forward, currently, because the Vegetable Skank administration is shit holing everything in the USA?

robother said...

Wearing brown and staring at canvases of peach fuzz while muttering "what the hell are we doing?" I suppose that's marginally better than shaking your fist at a cloud.

Dave Begley said...

If Trump wins, we will see massive riots for weeks throughout the US.

Sebastian said...

"Who are we? What are we?"

Not Americans or America. No one gives a damn about Hamas taking American hostages or millions of foreigners invading across the southern border. We are not a people. This is not a country.

Harun said...

Trump is going to lose. All the media outlets will be against him. He doesn't have any money this time around, and Zuckerberg Chan may be around again.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

If we need Trump to direct us towards the important things … I’m not sure how this is not an endorsement of the up and coming dictator. Unless the artist is speaking in an unfamiliar speech code, I’m not quite following.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Don’t forget, “Who am I? Why am I here?”

tim in vermont said...

“Surrounded…”

We just learned something fascinating today, that Joe Biden will not give up his project of changing the demographics of the United States, even if it costs him Ukraine. Most likely this is the judgement of the administration that the war is already lost.

It’s always projection, and it won’t be the wages of affluent Democrats that get driven down, but working class blacks and whites. But the people facing the brunt of the economics of this policy matter not at all to Democrats. If they can reengineer the electorate, they will never again have to compromise on policy. If they are groping for abstractions, let me suggest an economics text.

Joe Biden Is Corrupt said...

what will Hillary, Maddow and the various liars and crooks cook up next? Mob rules.

I say art images of leftwing hero mobsters. sell like hotcakes.

hombre said...

"Who are we?" We are people who believe John Podhoretz was right when he wrote:

"Trump is an unworthy vessel chosen by God to save us from the evil on the left."

That has never seemed clearer than now.

Sheridan said...

Twain said it best - "history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes". With all that is going on I often wonder what life under Tiberius Caesar must have been like. Dictatorship, arbitrary rule by the elite, subjugation of the proles and incursions into the homeland by barbarians. And look at us now.

The Crack Emcee said...

"We’re all going to be wearing a lot of brown" sounds too much like shit for comfort.

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

The memo has gone out: Trump has dictatorial tendencies. He'll execute his persecutors from Biden's regime. That NYAG will be the first to go, followed by the judge! He even admitted that: He'll be a dictator on Day One and resume drilling and border security. Quelle Heurrer! He'll actually faithfully carry out the duties of his office. Unacceptable! We can't have that!

Ann Althouse said...

""We’re all going to be wearing a lot of brown" sounds too much like shit for comfort."

The edgy designers revel in your discomfort.


From the article: "I won’t be surprised if a diarrhea tone becomes Pantone’s color of the year....” — Misha Kahn, 34, designer and sculptor"

jpg said...

No Republican can win in 2024. Assuming one did, there will be riots on a constant basis. Riots. Coming to your town. Soon.

West TX Intermediate Crude said...

Dave Begley said, at 1:05
"If Trump wins, we will see massive riots for weeks throughout the US."

Most def.

Also true:
Next summer, there will be massive riots throughout the US.
As a result, Trump will win.

The D Convention will be in Chicago.
There will be massive efforts to keep things orderly. Those of us of a certain age will remember that we saw that movie already, and how it ended. This time, the nominee will be Hubert Horatio Harris.

The riots will start in Chicago, but will extend to LA, Philly, every shithole city that is run by Democrats.

Clyde said...

I can say with 99.99% certainty that I won't be wearing any brown in 2024.

Krumhorn said...

The only blur we will be staring into will be mobs of Soros-financed Black Blocks wrecking utter havoc on our cities. It will be rape and pillage...since the lefties don't seem to worry too much these days about rape and pillage. Particularly, rape.

- Krumhorn

Rusty said...

Dave Begley said...
"If Trump wins, we will see massive riots for weeks throughout the US."
Okay, but maybe not weeks. Couple a days at most. Once the kids find out the grown ups aren't havin' it, they'll settle down.

Breezy said...

We’d still be the luckiest humans on the planet, that’s who.

Limited blogger said...

'Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?'

Sounds like lyrics from a Talking Heads song of the '70s

pacwest said...

Riots. Coming to your town. Soon.

Will they be the insurrectiony kind or the mostly peaceful kind?

Josephbleau said...

“From the article: "I won’t be surprised if a diarrhea tone becomes Pantone’s color of the year....” — Misha Kahn, 34, designer and sculptor"

We already had Brown #24, it was from Uranus, via the old Groove Tube movie from the dim past.

Rabel said...

We are people who believe John Podhoretz was right when he wrote:

"Trump is an unworthy vessel chosen by God to save us from the evil on the left."

Norman. Definitely not John.

narciso said...

isn't crap the decoration of record in blue cities

Joe Smith said...

And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself, “Well, how did I get here?”

Eva Marie said...

If the Democrats win there will be riots - instigated and encouraged by Dems. They thrive on disorder. Easier to divert money to themselves, their cronies, and their causes. Democrats please save your party.
Trump 2024

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narciso said...

well i don't see how that would be, the removal of said prosecutors

narciso said...

well i don't see how that would be, the removal of said prosecutors

madAsHell said...

"Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?"

Sounds like Joe Biden's dementia!!

BUMBLE BEE said...

The end game is still the declaration of Martial Law isn't it? Gonna be lit!

donald said...

There won’t be any riots in Gulf Shores. I can pretty much guarantee that.

Gusty Winds said...

Trump won the 2020 election but was taken out of office via absentee COVID voter fraud. That was the plan. Probably since before the spring of 2020.

It would make sense Trump can win the 2024 election. Biden didn't get 81 million legal votes.

But the vote must be real. Like 2016 election when Trump won, and the corrupt uniparty and deep state were completely surprised.

Time for Ron DeSantis to back the MAGA movement. Or 2028 will be out of his reach too...

Trump/DeSantis ticket. Isn't that really what America needs?

The only "Republicans" that don't want that to happen are Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, and Utah Senator Pierre Delecto. Oh...and David French too. They are facing complete irrelevance.

Just like the recently resigned University of Pennsylvania president. It's gonna be a dirty fight. Brace yourselves for 2024.

Smilin' Jack said...

“We're told those Guyton and Mehretu paintings move into our space, and we find ourselves surrounded.”

Oh dear. What would Greenberg say? Is this the end of “flatness”?

Gusty Winds said...

The Supreme Court could have saved America from all this bullshit had they heard Texas vs. Pennsylvania. But they were cowards. And many Americans just pretended we could "move on"; even though they knew the election was fraudulent.

Trump has to win by a big margin. Has to overcome voter fraud, and our corrupt and cowardly courts. That's the reality.

I still don't trust Madison and Milwaukee, WI; Detroit, MI, Atlanta, GA, Philadelphia, PA, and Maricopa, AZ. Las Vegas and Minneapolis are corrupt too.

Like all liberals, Madison, WI only cares about it's own self-interests. They're fine. Madison doesn't really give a shit about the "democracy" they pretend to protect.

Quaestor said...

Althouse writes, "I like Pendleton's questions in relation to Trump: 'Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?'"

If you're lawyerly. If you measure and nuance and equivocate every word such that believe you can engage in consequence-free obfuscation, that you can have your cake and eat it too then you'll discover the answer relies on more than just what the meaning of is is.

Tonto's reply to the Lone Ranger's dilemma suggests itself here. Who are we? We are members of a constitutional republic governed by the consent of the governed. Simply put, self-selected elites eventually lose the trust of the governed, and when that happens... well, let's just say Jefferson's option is always available. For your own sake, pray that option won't be required. If you shit yourself come next November, count yourself amongst the blessed, unlike that fine Ayrshire lady in the new French bonnet.

O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!

Gusty Winds said...

I hope if Trump wins in 2024, he rides a bike naked in front of the WI State Capitol while licking and ice cream cone.

chuck said...

I'm sure the creatives can find employment making signs and puppets for the demonstrations. There seems to be a fair amount of funding available for such things.

Howard said...

Some folks seem to be hoping for Manson's Helter Skelter if Trump is elected.

Assistant Village Idiot said...

D'où venons-nous ? Que sommes-nous ? Où allons-nous ?
Where Do We Come From? What Are We? Where Are We Going?
That is Paul Gauguin over a century ago, so Pendleton either gets credit for preserving large and important questions in an art world which respects no traditions, or blame for not knowing his history and being derivative.

SDaly said...

Can't they all just huddle around an abysse?

Drago said...

"Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?"

Who are we? American citizens

What are we? Employers

What the hell are we doing? Evaluating political candidates to determine which one will best represent our interests.

Iman said...

‘From the article: "I won’t be surprised if a diarrhea tone becomes Pantone’s color of the year....” — Misha Kahn, 34, designer and sculptor" ‘

I don’t know… it’ll be up against “Babyshit Green”, and that’s a tough call.

MikeD said...

DJT said he'd only be a dictator for his first day in office. New Argentinian President, "hold my beer"! "REMARKABLE! In his first act, newly sworn President of Argentina, Javier Milei, signs an executive order reducing the Argentine government from 21 Departments to 9. A major reduction of bureaucracy and overhead. Impressive." More leaders like this!

Mr. Forward said...

Going to be wearing a lot of red caps.

Rusty said...

Helter Skelter, Howard, was about a race war. Republicans are more inclusive than you so that won't happen.
Your little friends in the black block, antifa, blm etc. will have their little tantrum and break things and torch cars in reliably safe areas of blue cities knowing full well if they wander a few blocks off the path they'll get their asses handed to them.

Hassayamper said...

ART IS SHIT.

ART IS SHIT.

ART IS SHIT.

What worthless gabble and puffery about an essentially worthless activity.

You want eternal truth and meaning and beauty? Euler's identity or the tensor formulation of Maxwell's equations provides more of each than all the art ever produced by the hand of man.

SteveWe said...

Hassayamper, you forgot to say IMHO.

Kai Akker said...

--- So, I'm with Pendleton. We've got to ask "Who are we? What are we? What the hell are we doing?" Whether staring into an abstract painting — a "blur" or something sharply delineated — will yield any answers or even just "relief," who knows?

Except that means going back 126 years, doesn't it?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/cf/a2/dacfa21753158262e26c21aa7b706d69.jpg

Those were Gaugin's questions in the 19th century. There is something a little Luddite about his comment.

Bunkypotatohead said...

To be a nation presumes a common culture, history, and language. Whatever we are, it is not that.