It doesn't appeal to me, this merging of the illegal immigration issue with the Hamas massacre and its aftermath, but perhaps you're enthused about Republicans leveraging their old issue on this new tragedy.
ADDED: Here's another version of Trump's statement, posted at Truth Social:October 19, 2023
"You cannot forget that the same people that attacked Israel are right now pouring at levels that nobody can believe into our beautiful U.S.A. through our totally open border."
Said Donald Trump, quoted in "For Republicans, All Roads Lead to the U.S.-Mexico Border/G.O.P. lawmakers and candidates regularly invoke record-high border crossings to address a range of issues, including crime and jobs" (NYT).
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Whether it appeals to you or not does not change the fact that foreign nationals from all kinds of countries with governments unfriendly to the US, or foreign nationals who are on lists the federal government has compiled of people it does not want in the US, are semi-consistently (at least) caught trying to cross the border under this administration. Which begs the question of how many are not being caught.
Im in favor of anything that will get the American elite to actually care about their own Godddamn Country. Yes, I know Mr. Power Elite, cheap labor means money in your pocket, but you can at least throw your own citizens a few crumbs. And then you can go back to playing "Risk" and worrying about "Who controls the Donbass".
Before I worry about someone "leveraging" this . . . It seems to me the more urgent question would be: "Is it true?"
If so - and there is some reason to think it is given recent stories on the number of bad actors captured at the border - then surely whether it helps or hurts a group politically is the last thing we should be concerned with.
"It doesn't appeal to me"
A data point the GOP should take into account.
But if in the real world many nefarious actors wish us ill, and we know next to nothing about the mass of invaders, why isn't it simple prudence to link terror and the invasion?
I could have voted "Yes", but I selected "Depends". What Trump was paraphrased as noting wasn't the Israel issue, but the issue of those behind attacking Israel. Trump is right that those behind the attacks are also attempting to smuggle terrorists across our undefended southern border. Here is CBS News both admitting that there is an increase in people entering our country across the border that are also being tracked on a terrorist watch list, while also pretending that being on the watch list doesn't mean Hamas (except that CBS doesn't really know): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-mexico-border-terrorists/
Should we really be relying on "don't really know"? Regardless of CBS trying to wash away the concern to protect Biden, the fact is the watch list would prevent these people from entering our country through normal immigration means. They wouldn't be allowed to fly into or within the US. But over 160 just walked across the border, because they could. And those are the ones that were caught, because not all of them are caught.
Shouldn't we be concerned with a major spike in this activity in the last two years? Shouldn't we believe the threat coming from Hamas and Iran that there should be worldwide "day of Jihad". After all, they called for a day of protest yesterday, and we had an assault on the US Capitol building and US embassies in the Middle East. Maybe we should take them seriously, because they don't care what our poll results are on whether to merge them or not.
Millions of illegal entrants are pouring in and have poured into our nation. 5-8 million now.
with midnight plane rides paid for by the Biden admin - transferring illegals to all reaches of the nation.
Yes - some are now being shipped out of border state to blue states. (Why not? - Blue states and cities are openly "sanctuary")
It is not accurate to say terrorists are pouring in. We do not know that. We DO know that the possibility of terrorists coming in with the other illegals is more than a possibility - it is a probability. of course they would!
But Trump takes an issue and turns in into his poorly phrased crapola - which is evermore a gift to the left.
perhaps you're enthused about Republicans leveraging their old issue on this new tragedy
I'm surprised our host didn't go with "exhilarated."
I voted No. The illegal immigration issue can stand on its own, even though I'm sure some of those crossing the border are indeed people who want to do the US or some of its citizens harm.
Again- Trump takes an issue worthy of debate and clowns it up. Ugh - the man is his own worst enemy. And he has no one around him to help him? Seems so.
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Trump said...
You cannot forget that the same people that attacked Israel are right now pouring at levels that nobody can believe into our beautiful U.S.A. through our totally open border.
Althouse said...
Should Republicans merge the immigration issue with the issue of Israel?
I don't read that as a merger of the US border with policy toward Isreal.
It's presenting a yardstick about the potential danger posed by the people being allowed to enter the country unfettered from across the globe.
The only direct link to US-Israeli policy is that group of the people so allowed in can then use terrorist tactics to punish the US for pro-Israel policies, as just one of many other groups being allowed to enter with other hostile loyalties.
I think that you are trying to close your eyes about what is going on, on our southern border. Trump has a much better track record about this sort of thing than does, say, your NYT. While plenty of women and children are crossing the border illegally, the bulk appear to be military aged males. Some, maybe much, of that may be men leaving home to search for opportunities abroad. This has traditionally been true for many Hispanics. But what about all the Middle Easterners entering our country illegally? Plus reports of military parts (e.g. mortar parts and AK autosears) being intercepted along that border. Should we be worried?
I understand why many of your regular sources don’t want anyone looking at the connections here - it would further question the FJB Administration’s wide open border policy. Maybe Trump is being played here. Always a possibility. But a lot of people are really worried right now about everything falling apart at the same time, with your Dems seemingly cheering it all on.
A big chunk of Hamas' funding comes from US donors. What happens to that funding when Hamas tries a terror attack here?
"You cannot forget that the same people that attacked Israel are right now pouring at levels that nobody can believe into our beautiful U.S.A. through our totally open border."
Just paragliding right over the wall,...
When Trump says "the same people", does he mean some of the actual individuals who were in Israel last week are crossing our borders this week?
Or does he mean, there are some dangerous people crossing our border into our country, which they hate, and they have very bad intentions? I interpret his statement as the latter.
The former seems unlikely this soon, but it's almost certain to happen eventually as Hamas perpetrators flee Gaza and Israeli revenge.
The latter is undeniably true. Trump is conflating the issues, but he's not wrong about the danger. Israel let their guard down.
I'm guessing what you object to is Trump seemingly tarring the immigrants crossing the US border with the same brush as the Hamas attackers. Maybe that's rooted in your own bigotry against us Deplorables. Let me speak for my fellow toothless morons. We don't think all the border crossers are Muslim terrorists. There's a straw man running around out here who does, but he never comes to our meetings.
The media is trying to "pre-bunk" this issue for the sake of party politics, but the danger is obvious to any thinking person. The attacks in Israel have put that danger in the spotlight, not the Republicans and not Trump.
Unfortunately for you, the known terrorists arrested at the border don't care if you don't like the conflation.
Doesn't appeal to you? Is it true or not true?
Distinguish for me the difference between Palestinian Terrorists crossing the Israel border and and Palestinian Terrorists crossing the US border. I'm pretty certain they feel it is all part of the same fight.
Should Republicans merge the immigration issue with the issue of Israel?
The U.S. Gov’t Hired A Pro-Hamas PLO Spokeswoman To Handle Asylum Claims
"F*** Israel, the government, and its military. Are you ready for your downfall?" Department of Homeland Security officer Nejwa Ali said.
It doesn't appeal to me either because it won't work. Prevention has never worked. America needs to actually be attacked by these people streaming over the border first.
Then it will work.
Sorry, but somebody needs to die before the average American wakes up. It's pointless trying to help them prevent that. Let it occur, THEN seize the moment. Or "pounce" as the media is so fond of writing.
In the meantime, some of the Wall Street billionaires are doing the right thing. They're building a database of the New Untouchables ... Jew-haters, the terror-adjacent ... Democrats ... so that they can be permanently blackballed by Jewish run corporations. That's progress.
One's enthusiasm about an issue should be in proportion to its truth value and its importance to one's life.
Of course the NYT treats the open border as just another issue, like the capital gains tax or off-shore drilling. But it's not. As borders help define a nation, so does facilitating open borders.
It's legitimately, statistically linked to the other issues cited.
There was a published report recently that 6-700 men on watch lists have been apprehended at the border. Who knows how many have slipped through.
Nevertheless, it is a mistake to draw attention away from Hamas atrocities in Israel. "Hamas News" will do that soon enough.
I find it sickening that Biden committed millions and billions OF OUR TAX DOLLARS to Hamas/Palestinians.
Just vile.
I don't get the "appeals to me" frame of mind. The indisputable facts are terrorists are, and have been, entering the U.S. from the open southern border. This is a power keg waiting to explode, and living with this circumstance since 2020 in South Central Texas and having experienced the absurdity of the open borders policy locally, perhaps you can forgive me for being more sensitive to this issue than someone living in the upper Midwest (I'm looking at you, Wisconsin) might.
We need immigration reform, reasonable gun control, "respect for marriage act", student loan forgiveness, diversity (EI), carbon credits, affirmative discrimination, impeachment, indictments, redistributive change, and, of course, human rites a.k.a. wicked solution.
I think the two issues are related because they both directly tie into a third, larger issue: the idea that wealthy white countries are obliged to share what they have built with destitute people whose own countries are in a shambles. The left has been luring feeble minds for decades with various iterations of that imbecilic sentiment. Examples include open borders in the U.S., massive Third World immigration into Europe, carbon caps for the U.S. without any expectation of commensurate limits on China or India, and dignifying Palestinian ambitions to take over Israel. It's all based on the stupid notion that the U.S., Europe, and Israel are hogging up the world's wealth and the time has come to share it.
How many singlé makes of military age invade our country before people understand this is a very big problem. Look at what 22 did 22 years ago.
The open southern border is a ticking time bomb...
it will go off.
"It doesn't appeal to me, this merging of the illegal immigration issue with the Hamas massacre and its aftermath, but perhaps you're enthused about Republicans leveraging their old issue on this new tragedy."
Perhaps you'd prefer to not think about it and hope it never affects you personally? Maybe it won't, you never know.
"It doesn't appeal to me, this merging of the illegal immigration issue with the Hamas massacre and its aftermath"
This is actually two sides of the same issue. The problem with illegal immigration isn't just the sheer numbers of illegals just walking across our southern border, it's the fact that none of them are being really vetted. The whole point of having an immigration system is to know exactly who is entering the country, and limiting legal entrance to those foreigners who are likely to contribute to society.
If 4 million illegals from all over the world enter the U.S. in a year, and one in ten thousand of them is a sub-human head chopper then you've essentially allowed four-hundred 9-11 hijackers free reign in this country to plan and commit whatever atrocities their sick, twisted minds can come up with.
If that's not a legitimate issue for voters to think about then what is?
A smart GOP candidate would simply and calmly promise the following:
1) All of Biden's illegal entrants will be deported.
2) No American tax payer dollars to the welfare state-Hamas-run Palestinians /Gaza. NONE.
I don't care if it "appeals" to you. Have you ever set aside exculpatory "neutrality" for facts?
Facts are facts, ugly and prickly.
Look up the statistics of country origin and specific cases. It's hardly difficult. At the age of 22, working in the refugee services industry, I quickly realized that the vast majority of refugees, plus legal and illegal immigrants, pouring into this country were the very people exploiting their own countries -- warlords, drugpins, pimps, redundant Brahmin younger siblings -- or due to other criminal conduct, not wanted in their homelands. They're the ones who control both the refugee camps and ca-ching foreign college admissions, in the former take advantage of them, steal the aid money and decide which of their relatives are at the front of the line to get on the plane first to get here and start exploiting our social service net to start transferring their operations here -- on our dime. Or, in the latter, if wealthy and legal, use OPT status to circumvent usual immigration standards and take jobs from Americans because they're wealthy enough (they are) to spend 36 months taking unpaid jobs in tech and medicine and then they get full citizenship and displace the middle-class Americans being squeezed out of professional STEM jobs. You never faced these pressures, trust me. You had tenure by then. Jesus fucking wept, come on. It's not Masterpiece Theater. It's fucking reality.
You should know this. You are being willfully ignorant if you don't. Then again, you have plenty of company.
Which do you really want: pandering or cruel neutrality? You can only pick one.
Neutrality is not fact-free.
“Just paragliding right over the wall,...
Bad idea in Texas, it is duck season.
Terrorists are probably not pouring in.
Illegals are.
Are SOME terrorist cells sneaking in? Probably.
Another good reason American’s guns must be prohibited… the wild MAGA cult might shoot back at terrorists.
Oh, and shut up, Crack. This is yet another topic not about your Norwegian stweardess Thailand fuck experiences. If you had really wanted to stay in South LA, you would have made it a better place that couldn't be taken over by smarter gangs, rather than be a musical dilletantte and complainer.
n.n said...
reasonable gun control,
We have that unless you mean enforcing our reasonable gun control.
Trump is campaigning very hard for Biden's reelection.
I did not answer the poll question because it is describes the two issues in a way that distances (in both directions) the connection made by the former President. “Immigration” is not a paraphrase of “totally open border,” and “the same people that attacked Israel” (Iran-backed terrorists) is not fairly captured by “the issue of Israel.” The former President may or may not have access to accurate information about whether Iran-backed terrorists are “pouring” across our open border. But let’s not pretend the threat is unfair to point out or hard to see.
I stand w Isreal. Leftists, Mullahs, Hamas:
It is not accurate to say terrorists are pouring in. We do not know that.
MSN:
The figures show that in fiscal year 2023, CBP arrested a total of 154 non-citizens on the government’s terrorist screening watchlist.
Acid and water are not measured the same way concerning their danger. I consider 154 a pouring of acid.
Blogger I stand w Isreal. Leftists, Mullahs, Hamas-Palistinian terrorists can suck it said...
A smart GOP candidate would simply and calmly promise the following:
1) All of Biden's illegal entrants will be deported.
2) No American tax payer dollars to the welfare state-Hamas-run Palestinians /Gaza. NONE.
The problem with this theory, and it is a theory, was that California voted 60% in favor of stopping taxpayer funded benefits to illegals 20 years ago. It even got a majority in Hispanic neighborhoods. Then it was reversed by the courts and CA became a one party state.
Althouse:
It doesn't appeal to me,
Cruel neutrality at work.
"You cannot forget that the same people that attacked Israel are right now pouring at levels that nobody can believe into our beautiful U.S.A. through our totally open border."
Complete bullshit.
But then, Trump's pronouncements typically are complete bullshit, believed only by the hypnotized and stupid.
Like totally, man.
Olig..
I'm using the semantics of an adult. Trump sounds dumb and over-wrought.
Are some terror cells sneaking in? Yes. (Pouring? - illegals are pouring in... with some terrorists too) 154 is not a pour... next to 5-8 million illegals. I desire Trump to speak with accuracy.
Verbal nuance and accuracy play well to most people.
Hollywood inaccuracy? not so much.
Moot point, They've been here for a while. They recognized that Barry set out the welcome mat early on. They're not stupid. Valerie's probably got them on speed dial.
Leland said...
“Just paragliding right over the wall,...
"Bad idea in Texas, it is duck season."
They have a Sandhill Crane season!
Rober Cook
And you know this how? Seriously. How do you know this is bullshit? Defend your position.
Cook - not complete bullshit. Just poorly worded.
But then - you are willfully oblivious to the open border.
FAIR Analysis: 4.9 Million Illegal Aliens Have Crossed our Borders Since President Biden Took Office
FAIR Analysis: 4.9 Million Illegal Aliens Have Crossed our Borders Since President Biden Took Office,
BIDEN’S BORDER CRISIS IS THE WORST IN AMERICAN HISTORY, HIS POLICIES CONTINUE TO MAKE IT WORSE
Maybe if the border states started regularly busing a few thousand migrants directly to Madison you'd become more enthused, much like Eric Adams and Kathy Hochul have as regards NYC. Even if there are no potential terrorists among the several millions migrants who have already entered the country (a statistical impossibility in itself) no one knows the end effect on the US of this unprecedented, uncontrolled migration of unskilled, young adult single men from the third world. Perhaps we could get the perspective of Sweden, Belgium and France regarding how the uncontrolled Middle Eastern and North African influx of unskilled, young adult single men has worked out for them. This is not just a terrorism issue, it's also an assimilation issue and a gang problem as European countries have found out. Go to Malmo, Charleroi or the suburbs of Paris if you need to experience it for yourself, but leave the rest of us out of that particular experience. That's what Trump was implying, albeit in his normally inelegant way. Long after Gaza has cooled off and got back to whatever passes for normalcy in the Middle East, the US is still going to be dealing with the fallout from our current open borders.
Dilettantes who so casually risk the societies and cultures that were developed by their forebears over a few hundred years deserve the likely end result of this uncontrolled experiment in population exchange; however, they have no right to subject their fellow citizens to such an experiment or to the potential chaos such an exchange brings with it. That is why we have always had controlled immigration rather than facilitating a deluge of people with no history or appreciation of living in a free society. The US cannot continue as a "melting pot" if we add wholesale quantities of ingredients which cannot be quickly "melted," and that's the situation on the Southern border.
Over 150 people on terror watch list apprehended trying to cross the Mexico border in FY 2023. Another 350+ at the northern border. Number not apprehended obviously unknown. 4 Iranians on the list apprehended since the start of this month alone. Iran is behind Hamas and Hezbollah.
"Complete bullshit," says Robert Cook. I'm surprised at his vituperative denial of the Biden administration's CBP and ICE announcements of these people being caught trying to illegally enter the country.
It irritates me, and more importantly it's destabilizing, that all the enforceable obligation is on one side. I can't think of a way to do it, but meaningful cultural assimilation ought to be a requirement of every immigrant (and illegal immigrants ought to be deported unless they have a legitimate asylum claim, meaning that their lives are in danger in their home country because of who and/or what they are, not just that they're poor).
I don't mean people have to give up their own culture. I do mean that when their cultural practices and beliefs run afoul of US law, US law wins.
Unfortunately, as I said, I don't know how to require this or enforce it. I don't know if legal immigrants are presently required to make any statement to this effect now, unlike newly minted citizens who, at least in theory, do have to swear fealty to the Constitution and the laws of the US.
Wisconsin keeps this shit up, I’ll support sanctions and limit their ability to sell their cheese.
Trump's stating a fact and yet it's the narrative that must be controlled, no? His appalling frankness? The difficulty of the subject matter?
This country has been on a holiday from history for a couple of decades. The chickens are coming home to roost and very soon none of us will be able to rest on a narrative....
2,000 actors/artists accuse Israel of war crimes.
Nowhere to be found two Saturdays ago.
When the totally predictable coordinated atrocities start happening, a totally predictable reaction will occur, and whatever vestiges of civil liberties and rule of law are left will vanish in night and fog.
Predictable, and preventable, but elitist idealism and corporate/university greed for cheap labor (per Tina Trent, and I've seen similar) have guaranteed that there will be blood here at the heart of the system/belly of the beast.
Um, really?
None are so blind as those who will not see.
I don't think Republicans should make a huge deal of it, but I do think it should be mentioned. News of our porous border has got around and people from India and sub-Saharan Africa are coming to enter there. That's only the people I have specifically read about, there are surely more from other countries.
What we very much need is a separation of border security from the immigration discussion. Weloming immigrants should not mean accepting millions of people sneaking over the border.
I stand w Isreal. Leftists, Mullahs, Hamas-Palistinian terrorists can suck it said...
154 is not a pour...
You and I have a different definition for "pour" as it applies to known terrorists.
I can live with that.
A big chunk of Hamas' funding comes from US donors. What happens to that funding when Hamas tries a terror attack here?
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safe houses and other field craft assistance?
Olig - We probably do agree that 154 known terrorists is terrible. probably a lot more unknown have crossed.
Pouring? I just wish Trump didn't sound like he jumped off the pages of a tabloid.
"Like never before" - just sounds dumb. and i'm very suspect of his lame promises. I still prefer him to Biden. of course. But when he steps on his dick - we get more Biden.
It is not accurate to say terrorists are pouring in. We do not know that.
Sure we do, given the obvious definition of pouring. The trickle of between one and ten individuals on the terror watch list being caught each year during 2016-2020 pales with the 505 so far this year. ON the terror watch list. Caught here. Both borders.
Better would be "unknown" amount.
Feel better?
Trump has a knack for starting these important conversations. It unfailingly draws attention to the problem and then after the majority agree it is happening we bicker over the details of just how it is happening. He's a little bit genius that way. "They tapped Trump tower" ended up being more right than wrong didn't it?
The "two" issues are not being merged! They always were intertwined---a key area of concern about the influx of unwanted, uninvited, unknown, and unvetted individuals across our southern border is and always has been the obvious problem of terrorists, criminals, and other hostile actors entering and remaining in the US.
btw- Trump saying "Totally Open Southern Border" is 100% accurate.
C'mon, Robert. What is the basis for your assertion?
OUCH
Republicans pounce?
State department just issued global alert for traveling americans. Very soon it may become clear that an even larger threat to Americans has been flooding in through the open Southern border.
If I were a terrorist organization that wanted to target the United States, I would very specifically infiltrate people by flying them to Mexico, Central, and South America and have the cross the southern border. Border Patrol itself releases the origin country for the ones it apprehends and/or processes before release into the US, with no data on those it does not capture. The numbers show that probably hundreds to thousands of military aged men from the Middle East cross the border every year of the Biden Administration, many of whom are literally allowed to pass by INS.
Not sure why they'd want to come here.
GAZA: Born Dead
But that is Ok, Althouse- it is only a small probability that a terrorist attack will occur in Madison- they would be far more likely to choose one in a big American city like L.A. or New York.
160 people on the terrorists watch list were detained at the southern border in the past year.
How many others on this list got through?
To ignore this makes one at best, a useful idiot.
"Like never before" - just sounds dumb.
Why? It is true. Do you have evidence we've had other periods where more than 500 known terrorists came over the borders unimpeded?
You kinda sound dumb today too.
From the post:
"It doesn't appeal to me, this merging of the illegal immigration issue with the Hamas massacre and its aftermath, but perhaps you're enthused about Republicans leveraging their old issue on this new tragedy."
Whether it appeals to you or not is immaterial. It's all of a piece, so it's already merged, because there are plenty of bad actors already here who can be leveraged to commit terroristic activities. It's ongoing even now, so it's a current issue, not an old one.
"If there's one thing white people can do, they can sure brainwash"
YouTube: I've never heard this strategery called inelegant before.
That's why I'm here; I learn something new every day.
Crack invokes Idi Amin while feigning oblivious to terrorist motives.
People can ignore reality, but they cannot ignore the consequences of reality. - Ayn Rand
"Not long after Hamas terrorists killed and kidnapped hundreds of Israelis this month, a wave of Republicans — on the presidential campaign trail, in state and congressional races and in the far-right corners of conservative media — reached for a familiar playbook: tying the issue to the nation’s southern border."
- NY Times
The two issues are unavoidably connected, but more significantly on the larger question of accepting, or not, refugees from Gaza than the smaller but still important one of illegal crossings at the Southern border.
As for the the "merging" of the issues as a calculated political ploy, I'm afraid that this time you did not resist the steering by the Times.
"but perhaps you're enthused about Republicans leveraging their old issue on this new tragedy."
Egads! That "old issue" is happening right now.
walter said...
"Crack invokes Idi Amin while feigning oblivious to terrorist motives."
Crack is invoking everyone I come across who speaks on the subject. Most are pretty sure Israel did something wrong.
"Perhaps you'd prefer to not think about it and hope it never affects you personally? Maybe it won't, you never know."
One night two hungry guys go into the kitchen to get something to eat, and find that a basket of figs is their only choice. The first fig they open up has worms in it. The second fig they open up has worms in it. The third fig they open up has worms in it. After opening up a dozen more and finding worms in all of them, one of the men turns off the kitchen light. The other man asks, "What did you do that for?"
The man replies, "I want to eat some figs."
Crack mocks any concern about the border as "Just paragliding right over the wall,..."
Terrorists used paragliders to overcome the rather considerable barriers to entry offered by Israel's fortifications at the Gaza/Israel border. Paragliders seem to have worked, much to the delight of the enormous "hate-Jews" element of the political left.
But the sad fact is that all they would need to cross the US border with Mexico, with malice aforethought, is a pair of flip-flops, or at most, boots. They can walk in, sometimes without challenge, and if challenged, worst case is they get deported.
We know that there are plenty of Islamists who hate the US even more than they hate the Israelis, whom they just slaughtered in the most barbaric and disgusting fashion. Israel is the little Satan, to them, and we are the Great Satan. Surely attacking the Great Satan, raping, burning alive, skewering babies, all that must be quite appealing to these crazies.
Is it ridiculous, indeed mockable, to consider (1) that hatred of the US, plus (2) that proven willingness to act with utter barbarity, plus (3) the wide-open state of our border, to warrant a security concern?
I don't think it's ridiculous at all, but apparently others do.
When your friends are facing an existential threat, it isn't helpful to the current, time-sensitive task at hand to distract everyone from the mission. When someone is drowning, you focus on the rescue, not on criticising the rescuers, praising enemies and conducting self serving side shows. In many ways, this is worse than the Hamas apologist college students and fringe lefty infotainment darlings.
I have a friend who came here from Senegal legally 30 years ago. He told me that a couple of guys from Senegal approached him here in Chicago and asked if he could help them make some connections with the West African community here. It turns out that they flew from Senegal to Venezuela and then came up to the US with a group of Venezuelans and walked across the border. They are seeking asylum--it isn't clear whether as Venezuelans or Senegalese. They speak English and French, but no Spanish.
If they are coming as Venezuelans, I doubt they will appear at their asylum hearings.
I think Trump has lost his fastball.
We can vote again after a few thousand Americans are killed at the Hollywood Bowl or some Taylor Swift concert.
How hard can it be for Iran to smuggle in a hundred terrorists and some serious weaponry among a few million illegal aliens and Lord knows how much fentanyl?
Point of information. In government fiscal year 2022 (the 12 months ending in October 2022) CBP captured 98 individuals who were on the terrorist watch list. Note that these were people well enough known to be on the terrorist watch list (how many aren’t?) and they were caught (what is the ratio of border crossers caught to the total border crossers?).
CBS says not to worry because most Muslim terrorists come in from Canada. Thanks Justin!
What I notice is 79% agree with Trump.
As usual, the detractor agree, but want their bad news delivered in a more palatable morsel.
It liking the present you open, but take off points for the bow.
The important thing is, everybody understands exactly what he is saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSpGa7h0F7A
Idi Amin dada.
Lord, have mercy on us.
Be best …
I didn’t click to vote- there was no option given that I could agree w/.
It’s Trump. So, it’s rejected out of hand.
It appeals to me.
In a dangerous world, letting our border go undefended is a really, really stupid policy.
Aside from all of the other plain and obvious reasons why it is just a really stupid policy.
But it's apparently wrong to state the obvious. Because one might be perceived as being insufficiently compassionate or something.
Time to wake up!
millions of illegal entrants abusing our asylum rules. Millions.
The left are desperate to destroy our nation.
"Because one might be perceived as being insufficiently compassionate or something."
Exactly. You should be welcoming these "migrants", say all the sufficiently compassionate progressives. Who are currently attempting to stem the flow of said migrants into their sanctuary cities. Where "Hate Has No Home" and "All Are Welcome", if the window signs are to be believed.
When the next 9/11 occurs a substantial number of US citizens are not going to give a shit. Especially if it occurs in NYC or some other sanctuary city.
And I don't think their precious "migrants" will give one either.
Maybe if Greg Abbott sent a few busloads of recent arrivals to Madison, WI the issue of who is on those buses and why are they here might get your attention.
No one (including Trump) knows if what Trump said is true, but how can you not entertain the possibility that it is?
People cant handle the truth. Its all about the framing. How it looks. Thats what is important. Not the knife slitting your throat and your tongue being pulled through the gaping hole.
Modern day human sacrifice. But the good kind.
Although Rand never wrote or said the exact words attributed to her, their sources probably lie in the passages from her nonfiction writing.
Let's see how this post ages.
The level of "dumb" expressed here is astronomical. The raw fact is that there have been ongoing efforts by all the anti-American players to get their people onto US soil, and this "opening of the borders" was neither accidental or unintentional with regard to letting them in.
Same-same with running down the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. You dumbfucks elected a bought-and-paid-for legit Manchurian Candidate, and have been crowing about what a great president he is since day one. When the final results of what you've done become clear, I really hope you're all among the victims. Because, there will be plenty of those.
Only a fucking idiot could look at this situation and only worry about Donald Trump making a political point. The raw fact is, our security has been compromised and our government turned against us, while you fucking idiots applauded it all.
May you all receive the results personally, and in the worst possible way. I don't know when it's going to start, or how, but something very bad has been enabled by all this crap. Too many pieces like the run-down state of the SPR, the bloated spending leaving us unable to pay our bills, and all the rest of this crap that's been going on are not "coincidental". It won't be "bad luck" when this all eventuates, but y'all will claim it as such.
Just like the warnings you all were given about how the Clinton administration was destroying the counter-terrorism programs, the payoff will come. We sat there and watched all the prep work being done under Clinton, and it came through with flying colors on 9/11.
I honestly just don't care, any more. I've played Cassandra and gotten her reward too many damn times, and I really long for the clownshow to be over with, and for all you half-wits who applauded this crap to pay the price.
Which you will.
It doesn't appeal to me, this merging of the illegal immigration issue with the Hamas massacre and its aftermath
@Althouse, would it appeal more if terrorists picked Madison as a nice, soft target for rape and murder?
I agree with you takirks!
Lots of people in pain posting here.
If you need situational awareness, go to Michael Yon's substack, you won't find that stuff at New Yorker Magazine. If you need something else, stick around.
You need situational awareness.
I'm assuming that nobody in pretty little college towns spent yesterday sweeping up broken Jalisco bottles and Taki chip bags that had been pelted at their now tilting-again mailbox and littered their road entrance, again, with broken glass, for no reason, again,, then had to deal with illegals with guns sneaking into the back woods to shoot deer illegally and with no license, as said home owning taxpayers tried to exercise their dogs on their own damn land -- beloved dogs who could easily have been shot.
Again.
I'm guessing people living in cunning little leftist college towns have never done a deep dive into their former employer's surplus cash made off foreign students from despotic families from despotic nations that garner their plush retirement coffers. Wasn't there a quite cutting short story by a famous and otherwise leftist short story writer about this in the 90's? Hint: the co-ed's throat gets slit; the Islamic student makes himself a pot of tea, and all his campus foreign student pals commiserate about the woes of dating mouthy but easy American female bitches. Based on a real story. Hate crime laws didn't apply because it was just killing a woman -- and an American.
I'm guessing nobody living in cute little suburban places where they have the luxury to agonize about bagging leaves understands the carnage perpetrated by the presence of millions of illegals who can't drive and have no insurance, and leave (as it were), for just one example, an 18-year old college girl strapped to a wheelchair for life screaming obscenities while trying to masturbate incessantly because some work van filled with illegals ploughed into her car, grated her frontal lobe like parmesan, and then melted from the scene -- the police left with no leads, and the family impoverished and of course utterly destroyed by the consequences?
Maybe people with foreign-mobbed-up pensions can afford the astronomical uninsured motorist insurance rates that result from endless incidents like this, but others can't.
I hate the phrase "critical thinking," but it's a fer piece better than the phrase "playing online flaneur with the destruction of other people's lives from an abstract and intellectually incurious distance."
Tina Trent tells us the story of American's future.
But don't worry - Joe and Hunter will be just fine. Same with Bill, Hillary, Chelsea etall..
I know that Robert is furiously checking all sources to support his position and he'll be along in a minute to debate his staement.
mxgreen said...
"No one (including Trump) knows if what Trump said is true, but how can you not entertain the possibility that it is?"
Again somebody making an assertion of fact without support.
The people who go into the desert to clean up, mostly volunteers, have found Korans. Islamic newspapers and books written in arabic. We know that people from the middle east have entered our country illegally. The question is; What is their intent?
Crack.
I know our history. Better than that guy you use as an exemplar. So. No. No ouch.
"And you know this how? Seriously. How do you know this is bullshit? Defend your position."
It's Trump's obligation to defend and verify his claim that he purports is "fact." That's how reality works.
Robert Cook said...
"And you know this how? Seriously. How do you know this is bullshit? Defend your position."
"It's Trump's obligation to defend and verify his claim that he purports is "fact." That's how reality works."
No. no. no. YOU asserted that the statement was "bullshit". It isn't up to Trump to defend your words. You defend your words. How do you know that no middle eastern men are crossing our southern boarder? THAT is how realty works.
"NEW: Internal CBP data provided & confirmed by CBP sources reveals thousands of “special interest aliens” from mostly Middle Eastern countries have been apprehended by Border Patrol while crossing into U.S. illegally over last 2 years.
Syria: 538
Yemen: 139
Iran: 659
Iraq: 123
Afghanistan: 6,386
Lebanon: 164
Egypt: 3,153
Pakistan: 1,613
Mauritania: 15,594
Uzbekistan: 13,624
Turkey: 30,830
Date range 10/1/2021 - 10/4/2023"
And these are just the people aprehended.
Compare and contrast with the number of dudes it took to pull off 9/11..... Doesn't take a large percentage of the below to be bad guys, does it?
Syria: 538
Yemen: 139
Iran: 659
Iraq: 123
Afghanistan: 6,386
Lebanon: 164
Egypt: 3,153
Pakistan: 1,613
Mauritania: 15,594
Uzbekistan: 13,624
Turkey: 30,830
Date range 10/1/2021 - 10/4/2023"
Robert? Balls in your court.
Howard said...
Lots of people in pain posting here.
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Seeing Joementia deliver on his debate promise to "surge" illegals is painful.
Good choice Howie!
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