LAHAINA (HawaiiNewsNow) - Six people have been confirmed killed in the raging wildfires that have decimated entire Maui communities and all but leveled historic Lahaina town, but authorities feared that number could rise as emergency responders slowly move into fire-ravaged areas.
Lahaina, The Last Resort really was as close as we get to paradise according to the Eagles.
You can leave it all behind And sail to Lahaina Just like the missionaries did So many years ago They even brought a neon sign "Jesus is coming" They brought the white man's burden down Brought the white man's reign
And you can see them there On Sunday morning And stand up and sing about What it's like up there They call it paradise I don't know why You call someplace paradise Kiss it goodbye
I did a search on how to flat tow my SUV. A long article came up, after getting through all of the repetitive yet totally empty dreck, it got down to business, It said to remove the back seats and install a goose neck hitch over the rear axel. I am pretty sure that it was written by AI. But I was impressed that once it figured that I needed to install one of those hitches, it also figured out that I would need to remove the back seats. It never mentioned anything about the rear gate, though, and it seems like with the design it had in mind, that was going to be an issue.
As always when I read that late great and very idiosyncratic historian John Lukacs, I profit.
In his book "Budapest 1900" he mentions Tivadar (Theodore) Puskas, associate of Thomas Edison and father of the telephone exchange. He even developed a telephone based news and music service, precursor to YKW.
This passage reminded me of some recent discussions of language and identity here--
" . . . in our time when it appears that while 'science,' with its symbols and at least some of its applications, has become more and more international, literature not only remains but becomes more and more deeply national--national, not nationalistic--because of its inevitable dependence on language, which is, after all, the greatest and deepest asset of a nation, of its knowledge and of its memories on which the entire quality of its understanding of its present depends.'
It Turns Out that there IS an insurrection going on in our Nation's Capitol.. According to the WaPoo https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/06/dc-homicides-violent-crime/ Council member Trayon White Sr. (D-Ward 8), whose district includes the place where three people were fatally shot and two others wounded Saturday night, said in a text message, “We need the National Guard in D.C.” By Tuesday the city’s official homicide total had reached 161. In a little more than seven months, the number of D.C. homicides now exceeds the 12-month totals for each of the three years ending in 2018. “I know those who live here know that we are clearly in a war zone,” he declared. “I’m going to say it again: We are clearly in a war zone.” As he repeated the phrase, the crowd joined in on those last four words and chanted along with him: “In! A! War! Zone!”
THIS is what happens, when you let Trump run around loose! Wait a minute.. This insurrection doesn't have ANYTHING to do with Trump.. It's surprising that the WaPoo even mentioned it
Oh look, the US removed the democratically elected president in Pakistan because he visited Moscow. It put a military government in charge, and that president has just been banned from politics for five years by the courts, for, you know, crossing the neocons.
It's the same playbook they used against Trump. Right down to lining the streets of DC with troops to discourage the citizens' right of assembly and expression. The neocons are out of control. If they can coup in Kiev, coup wherever, why not in Washington?
How easy is it to kill conservative Presidential candidates?
Surprisingly.
"Gunmen in Ecuador shot dead presidential candidate Fernando Villavicencio as he was leaving a rally on Wednesday night, with less than two weeks to go until a bitterly contested election."
Turns out, it's surprisingly easy to just murder your political opponents.
I have been reading Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Does anyone know a polítical and diplomatic history that covers the Soviets and Stalin in the build up to WW2 and the war itself? Say mid-20's to 1948? Must be a lots of internal documents post-1990....
i mentioned a while back; that i am NO LONGER proud to be an american. MANY people here, were all: "OH! HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH A HORRIBLE THING!!"
well my response was, and IS; WHY WOULD I BE proud of america in today's world? NOT why would i be proud of 1980's america, or 1870's america, or 1760's america.. BUT today's america. Can SOMEONE tell me SOMETHING that our country does that should make me proud?
Our lesbian, america hating soccer b*tches can't EVEN make it to the finals! I can't EVEN be proud of them!
Should i be proud of the american V-8? That we've stopped making? Maybe i should be proud of our B-52H's?? You know? That we stopped making SIXTY YEARS AGO??? Somebody, help me out... What IS there in our country that YOU are proud of? when did we quit making it?
Our oldest grandson was married on Saturday.. he and Jackie landed in Kauai this afternoon..Plans were 3 days there, then fly to Maui for a week. Looks like some plans will change. We took the grandkids ands their parents there for our 50th anniversary a few years ago, and he planned to surprise Jackie. Sadly, to looks to be a real surprise.
We loved Lahaina. A truly historic town. sad to hear it’s gone.
Lem the misspeller says: “Speculation: The White House cocaine was Kamala's“ Scott Adams keeps speculating that she’s drunk at some of her events. But maybe you’re closer to the truth. As for what I see - she always looks frightened.
Two biographies worth reading. King: A Life, by Jonathan Eig (2023). MLK rendered sympathetically, but without mythos.
Rising Star, by David Garrow (2022). Barack Obama in miniscule detail, sympathetic yet, once again, demythologizing.
These bios tell stories of young men handed by circumstances the aura of greatness, and the way the world works for such people. Once their auras have been pierced, they can't be recreated. None of us can transcend our inevitable flaws, so don't invest too much in heroic narratives.
Apparently we can have a rigged election that is also legal and final. They are not exclusive concepts.
There were a lot of anomalies in the execution and outcome of 2020. That they weren’t drilled into or audited appropriately will forever require us to say we simply don’t know if the amount of fraud, of which there was aplenty, changed the outcome. Shame on us. We deserve to have confidence in our elections.
Disclaimers about the election don’t change that reality.
"After over 200 years of abstaining from political prosecution in presidential elections, how did we suddenly come to normalize the practice? The answer is simple: Hatred for Trump. There is likely no other figure in American history (and certainly nobody else in living memory) who has been demonized to such an extent. When people are conditioned to believe someone is evil, a status well beyond bad, then ends-oriented justice becomes acceptable. It becomes acceptable to break with norms. If Hitler is among us, then we must do anything and everything to stop him."
"legal and final" and "rigged" are not contradictory when the legal system has been totally corrupted, the same as we corrupted it most recently in Pakistan. The same as Joe Biden bragged about corrupting it in Ukraine.
The know nothing liberals aren't very good at logic.
I can just picture Mutaman during the Spanish Inquisition triumphantly waving "confessions" that had been tortured out of its victims as "legal and binding."
Narr, I had a terrific evening in the company of a small audience with John Lukacs one night shortly after The Duel had been published; so, 1991, 1992. He read a little, talked a lot, particularly about his research for the book and all his work on those two characters (Churchill and Hitler). He taught nearby, so he was very at-home and relaxed. Also humane, witty, altogether charming, and full of fascinating information and insights. I had already read the book, greatly enjoyed it, but somehow I never got around to reading another of his. If you have a favorite, please mention it.
The Duel is an excellent account on a daily or almost daily basis of the 80 days between Hitler's invasion of Europe and the moment when he decides to drop his plan to invade England and take on Russia instead. Hitler vs. Churchill; really fine history and insights into both.
Narr, I may have just lost a comment I thought I was posting about Lukacs. Saw him speak one night in early '90s, after The Duel, a terrific book, was published. The book is terrific, and so was he. If you have a favorite Lukacs title or two, please share!
The Duel is superb history focused in detail on Churchill vs. Hitler. Recommend!
The actual funds for Hunter Biden payoff originated in a maze of offshore companies, including Belize. Not Burisma operating income in Ukraine. It had every indicator of money laundering. With actual origin unknown.
"Where's the money?" - A smirking Joe Biden.
But it was Ukraine's president who was corrupt and needed to be deposed by violent means, because, you know, the good guys were not going to win the next democratic election, after all.
BTW, Google Zelensky and "Pandora Papers," if you are interested in corrupt leaders of Ukraine, but if it weren't intertwined with Biden's corruption, Zelensky's corruption would be none of the business of the United States.
@Bill Crawford, this book does what you were asking about and covers not only Russia, but also six others: Japan, Germany, Italy, France, England and the U.S. throughout the 1930s. All the developments that occurred during the Depression that author Piers Brendon judges to be part of the winding paths that led to World War II. The Dark Valley is not the most cheerful reading, and it has chilling similarities to many events today, although the book itself was published in 2000. Weaving through each country in turn, trying to keep a generally parallel timeline, the book does a great job depicting the events, attitudes and personalities that made up its subject decade. As a result, it is not the most cheerful reading but I found it educational and well done.
tim in vermont said... "I can just picture Mutaman during the Spanish Inquisition triumphantly waving "confessions" that had been tortured out of its victims as "legal and binding."" Every soviet show trial. Every inmate of the gulags was sent there legaly. As I have said before. All of our usual suspects will compasionately remind you to," watch your step", as they shove into the Stolypin cars.
Hard to say what my fave is among the Lukacs books--and there are some I haven't read yet (particularly his memoirs).
"The Duel" is good; "The Last European War" and "The War Hitler Won" helped me see past and around various myths about European politics. Anything he writes about WWII is worthwhile.
"Historical Consciousness" is pretty dense, but worth the slog IMO. (But I'm a historian and have a high threshold for historical philosophy. YMMV.)
Lukacs was a one-off, parked at the small Catholic girl's college and cranking out brilliant books on a variety of topics over many decades.
[Preface: I've suspected from the beginning of the lockdowns that HCQ and ivermectin were known to be effective in treating COVID-19. The utter hubris of the FDA lawyer in court is falling, and telling. They want this debacle to continue. Read on.]
Doctors are free to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a lawyer representing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said this week.
“FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID,” Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA, said during oral arguments on Aug. 8 in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit.
The government is defending the FDA’s repeated exhortations to people to not take ivermectin for COVID-19, including a post that said “Stop it.”
The case was brought by three doctors who allege the FDA unlawfully interfered with their practice of medicine with the statements. A federal judge dismissed the case in 2022, prompting an appeal.
“The fundamental issue in this case is straightforward. After the FDA approves the human drug for sale, does it then have the authority to interfere with how that drug is used within the doctor-patient relationship? The answer is no,” Jared Kelson, representing the doctors, told the appeals court.
The FDA on Aug. 21, 2021, wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.” The post, which linked to an FDA page that says people shouldn’t use ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19, went viral.
In other statements, the FDA said that ivermectin “isn’t authorized or approved to treat COVID-19” and “Q: Should I take ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19? A: No.”
Command or Not “FDA made these statements in response to multiple reports of consumers being hospitalized, after self medicating with ivermectin intended for horses, which is available for purchase over the counter without the need for prescription,” Ms. Honold said.
A version of the drug for animals is available, but ivermectin is approved by the FDA for human use against diseases caused by parasites.
Ms. Honold said that the FDA didn’t purport to require anyone to do anything or to prohibit anyone from doing anything.
“What about when it said, ‘No, stop it’?” Circuit Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod, on the panel that is hearing the appeal, asked. “Why isn’t that a command? If you were in English class, they would say that was a command.”
Ms. Honold described the statements as “merely quips.”
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LAHAINA (HawaiiNewsNow) - Six people have been confirmed killed in the raging wildfires that have decimated entire Maui communities and all but leveled historic Lahaina town, but authorities feared that number could rise as emergency responders slowly move into fire-ravaged areas.
Lahaina, The Last Resort really was as close as we get to paradise according to the Eagles.
You can leave it all behind
And sail to Lahaina
Just like the missionaries did
So many years ago
They even brought a neon sign
"Jesus is coming"
They brought the white man's burden down
Brought the white man's reign
And you can see them there
On Sunday morning
And stand up and sing about
What it's like up there
They call it paradise
I don't know why
You call someplace paradise
Kiss it goodbye
Picture 3---
And I think it's gonna be all right
Yeah, the worst is over now
The Morning Sun Is Rising Like A Red Rubber Ball
I did a search on how to flat tow my SUV. A long article came up, after getting through all of the repetitive yet totally empty dreck, it got down to business, It said to remove the back seats and install a goose neck hitch over the rear axel. I am pretty sure that it was written by AI. But I was impressed that once it figured that I needed to install one of those hitches, it also figured out that I would need to remove the back seats. It never mentioned anything about the rear gate, though, and it seems like with the design it had in mind, that was going to be an issue.
As always when I read that late great and very idiosyncratic historian John Lukacs, I profit.
In his book "Budapest 1900" he mentions Tivadar (Theodore) Puskas, associate of Thomas Edison and father of the telephone exchange. He even developed a telephone based news and music service, precursor to YKW.
This passage reminded me of some recent discussions of language and identity here--
" . . . in our time when it appears that while 'science,' with its symbols and at least some of its applications, has become more and more international, literature not only remains but becomes more and more deeply national--national, not nationalistic--because of its inevitable dependence on language, which is, after all, the greatest and deepest asset of a nation, of its knowledge and of its memories on which the entire quality of its understanding of its present depends.'
It Turns Out that there IS an insurrection going on in our Nation's Capitol..
According to the WaPoo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/06/dc-homicides-violent-crime/
Council member Trayon White Sr. (D-Ward 8), whose district includes the place where three people were fatally shot and two others wounded Saturday night, said in a text message, “We need the National Guard in D.C.”
By Tuesday the city’s official homicide total had reached 161. In a little more than seven months, the number of D.C. homicides now exceeds the 12-month totals for each of the three years ending in 2018.
“I know those who live here know that we are clearly in a war zone,” he declared. “I’m going to say it again: We are clearly in a war zone.”
As he repeated the phrase, the crowd joined in on those last four words and chanted along with him: “In! A! War! Zone!”
THIS is what happens, when you let Trump run around loose! Wait a minute..
This insurrection doesn't have ANYTHING to do with Trump.. It's surprising that the WaPoo even mentioned it
Oh look, the US removed the democratically elected president in Pakistan because he visited Moscow. It put a military government in charge, and that president has just been banned from politics for five years by the courts, for, you know, crossing the neocons.
https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/
It's the same playbook they used against Trump. Right down to lining the streets of DC with troops to discourage the citizens' right of assembly and expression. The neocons are out of control. If they can coup in Kiev, coup wherever, why not in Washington?
How easy is it to kill conservative Presidential candidates?
Surprisingly.
"Gunmen in Ecuador shot dead presidential candidate Fernando Villavicencio as he was leaving a rally on Wednesday night, with less than two weeks to go until a bitterly contested election."
Turns out, it's surprisingly easy to just murder your political opponents.
Donald Trump hit hardest.
How lovely!!!
Speculation: The White House cocaine was Kamala's
I have been reading Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Does anyone know a polítical and diplomatic history that covers the Soviets and Stalin in the build up to WW2 and the war itself? Say mid-20's to 1948? Must be a lots of internal documents post-1990....
There is that fireball in the sky!
Bobby Kennedy in Iowa on Sunday.
i mentioned a while back; that i am NO LONGER proud to be an american.
MANY people here, were all: "OH! HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH A HORRIBLE THING!!"
well my response was, and IS; WHY WOULD I BE proud of america in today's world?
NOT why would i be proud of 1980's america, or 1870's america, or 1760's america..
BUT today's america. Can SOMEONE tell me SOMETHING that our country does that should make me proud?
Our lesbian, america hating soccer b*tches can't EVEN make it to the finals!
I can't EVEN be proud of them!
Should i be proud of the american V-8? That we've stopped making?
Maybe i should be proud of our B-52H's?? You know? That we stopped making SIXTY YEARS AGO???
Somebody, help me out...
What IS there in our country that YOU are proud of? when did we quit making it?
Our oldest grandson was married on Saturday.. he and Jackie landed in Kauai this afternoon..Plans were 3 days there, then fly to Maui for a week. Looks like some plans will change. We took the grandkids ands their parents there for our 50th anniversary a few years ago, and he planned to surprise Jackie. Sadly, to looks to be a real surprise.
We loved Lahaina. A truly historic town. sad to hear it’s gone.
Lem the misspeller says: “Speculation: The White House cocaine was Kamala's“
Scott Adams keeps speculating that she’s drunk at some of her events. But maybe you’re closer to the truth.
As for what I see - she always looks frightened.
Two biographies worth reading.
King: A Life, by Jonathan Eig (2023). MLK rendered sympathetically, but without mythos.
Rising Star, by David Garrow (2022). Barack Obama in miniscule detail, sympathetic yet, once again, demythologizing.
These bios tell stories of young men handed by circumstances the aura of greatness, and the way the world works for such people. Once their auras have been pierced, they can't be recreated. None of us can transcend our inevitable flaws, so don't invest too much in heroic narratives.
"Newsmax Host Reads Disclaimer Acknowledging 2020 Election Results ‘As Legal and Final’ After Trump Claims It Was Rigged"
TMR: What's It Mean To Be "Canceled" (In The Real World)?
Apparently we can have a rigged election that is also legal and final. They are not exclusive concepts.
There were a lot of anomalies in the execution and outcome of 2020. That they weren’t drilled into or audited appropriately will forever require us to say we simply don’t know if the amount of fraud, of which there was aplenty, changed the outcome. Shame on us. We deserve to have confidence in our elections.
Disclaimers about the election don’t change that reality.
NOT my President, just an old fool pretending to be him, who doesn't know where he is, or what he is doing...
"Is it the responsibility of the U.S. to protect migrants who might be fleeing extreme weather in their countries?"
Biden: "We're replacing every single lead pipe in America!" pic.twitter.com/LYEjmsTLJ0
— RNC Research
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/08/09/biden-descends-into-complete-incoherence-in-new-mexico-n790244
Twitter warrants: now we know Smith’s fishing expedition included bird hunting.
The case against Trump is weaker than weak.
"After over 200 years of abstaining from political prosecution in presidential elections, how did we suddenly come to normalize the practice? The answer is simple: Hatred for Trump. There is likely no other figure in American history (and certainly nobody else in living memory) who has been demonized to such an extent. When people are conditioned to believe someone is evil, a status well beyond bad, then ends-oriented justice becomes acceptable. It becomes acceptable to break with norms. If Hitler is among us, then we must do anything and everything to stop him."
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/08/political_prosecution_a_constitutional_crisis_in_the_making.html
"legal and final" and "rigged" are not contradictory when the legal system has been totally corrupted, the same as we corrupted it most recently in Pakistan. The same as Joe Biden bragged about corrupting it in Ukraine.
The know nothing liberals aren't very good at logic.
I can just picture Mutaman during the Spanish Inquisition triumphantly waving "confessions" that had been tortured out of its victims as "legal and binding."
“Speculation: The White House cocaine was Kamala's”
That explains the cackle, Lem.
Narr, I had a terrific evening in the company of a small audience with John Lukacs one night shortly after The Duel had been published; so, 1991, 1992. He read a little, talked a lot, particularly about his research for the book and all his work on those two characters (Churchill and Hitler). He taught nearby, so he was very at-home and relaxed. Also humane, witty, altogether charming, and full of fascinating information and insights. I had already read the book, greatly enjoyed it, but somehow I never got around to reading another of his. If you have a favorite, please mention it.
The Duel is an excellent account on a daily or almost daily basis of the 80 days between Hitler's invasion of Europe and the moment when he decides to drop his plan to invade England and take on Russia instead. Hitler vs. Churchill; really fine history and insights into both.
Narr, I may have just lost a comment I thought I was posting about Lukacs. Saw him speak one night in early '90s, after The Duel, a terrific book, was published. The book is terrific, and so was he. If you have a favorite Lukacs title or two, please share!
The Duel is superb history focused in detail on Churchill vs. Hitler. Recommend!
After the Russian pee tape thing, I’m ok with speculation that the cocaine was Kamala’s
The actual funds for Hunter Biden payoff originated in a maze of offshore companies, including Belize. Not Burisma operating income in Ukraine. It had every indicator of money laundering. With actual origin unknown.
"Where's the money?" - A smirking Joe Biden.
But it was Ukraine's president who was corrupt and needed to be deposed by violent means, because, you know, the good guys were not going to win the next democratic election, after all.
BTW, Google Zelensky and "Pandora Papers," if you are interested in corrupt leaders of Ukraine, but if it weren't intertwined with Biden's corruption, Zelensky's corruption would be none of the business of the United States.
@Bill Crawford, this book does what you were asking about and covers not only Russia, but also six others: Japan, Germany, Italy, France, England and the U.S. throughout the 1930s. All the developments that occurred during the Depression that author Piers Brendon judges to be part of the winding paths that led to World War II. The Dark Valley is not the most cheerful reading, and it has chilling similarities to many events today, although the book itself was published in 2000. Weaving through each country in turn, trying to keep a generally parallel timeline, the book does a great job depicting the events, attitudes and personalities that made up its subject decade. As a result, it is not the most cheerful reading but I found it educational and well done.
Thank you, Kai Akker! Just ordered the Kindle version.
Since the NYT is looking for dog headlines
I think this is newsworthy...
Golden Retriever Caught Sleeping With Kitten
Golden Retriever Assaults Baby
Golden Retriever Plays With His Lunch
What IS there in our country that YOU are proud of?
Tesla and SpaceX.
tim in vermont said...
"I can just picture Mutaman during the Spanish Inquisition triumphantly waving "confessions" that had been tortured out of its victims as "legal and binding.""
Every soviet show trial. Every inmate of the gulags was sent there legaly. As I have said before. All of our usual suspects will compasionately remind you to," watch your step", as they shove into the Stolypin cars.
what is the deal with WI brewery subterfuge
Bill Crawford--read ASAP Sean McMeekin's "Stalin's War." Also good, Snyder's "Bloodlands."
Sebag-Montefiore's Stalin book too.
Plenty of good and recent scholarship out there.
Hard to say what my fave is among the Lukacs books--and there are some I haven't read yet (particularly his memoirs).
"The Duel" is good; "The Last European War" and "The War Hitler Won" helped me see past and around various myths about European politics. Anything he writes about WWII is worthwhile.
"Historical Consciousness" is pretty dense, but worth the slog IMO. (But I'm a historian and have a high threshold for historical philosophy. YMMV.)
Lukacs was a one-off, parked at the small Catholic girl's college and cranking out brilliant books on a variety of topics over many decades.
Happy reading!
Doctors Can Prescribe Ivermectin for COVID-19: FDA Lawyer
[Preface: I've suspected from the beginning of the lockdowns that HCQ and ivermectin were known to be effective in treating COVID-19. The utter hubris of the FDA lawyer in court is falling, and telling. They want this debacle to continue. Read on.]
Doctors are free to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID-19, a lawyer representing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said this week.
“FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID,” Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA, said during oral arguments on Aug. 8 in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit.
The government is defending the FDA’s repeated exhortations to people to not take ivermectin for COVID-19, including a post that said “Stop it.”
The case was brought by three doctors who allege the FDA unlawfully interfered with their practice of medicine with the statements. A federal judge dismissed the case in 2022, prompting an appeal.
“The fundamental issue in this case is straightforward. After the FDA approves the human drug for sale, does it then have the authority to interfere with how that drug is used within the doctor-patient relationship? The answer is no,” Jared Kelson, representing the doctors, told the appeals court.
The FDA on Aug. 21, 2021, wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.” The post, which linked to an FDA page that says people shouldn’t use ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19, went viral.
In other statements, the FDA said that ivermectin “isn’t authorized or approved to treat COVID-19” and “Q: Should I take ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19? A: No.”
Command or Not
“FDA made these statements in response to multiple reports of consumers being hospitalized, after self medicating with ivermectin intended for horses, which is available for purchase over the counter without the need for prescription,” Ms. Honold said.
A version of the drug for animals is available, but ivermectin is approved by the FDA for human use against diseases caused by parasites.
Ms. Honold said that the FDA didn’t purport to require anyone to do anything or to prohibit anyone from doing anything.
“What about when it said, ‘No, stop it’?” Circuit Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod, on the panel that is hearing the appeal, asked. “Why isn’t that a command? If you were in English class, they would say that was a command.”
Ms. Honold described the statements as “merely quips.”
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