Said Pope Francis, quoted — translated — in "Pope Francis: Gender ideology is ‘one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations’ today" (Catholic News Agency).
I question whether this is the best translation, but I think the ideas are abstruse or maybe just inaccessible to those not steeped in Catholic doctrine. Colonization, the tension of differences, the human vocation... I can only try to guess what the Pope means.
He seems opposed to gender ideology and also to be propounding gender ideology. And I don't see people today diluting gender difference. There seems to be a heightening of gender difference. How could there be transgender people if there weren't different genders?
Perhaps the Pope means to exclude the concept of gender and rely solely on sex difference — male and female. You're one or the other, and beyond that, we're all individuals.
Yes, that may be what he is saying:
He said that [some naïve people] “do not distinguish what is respect for sexual diversity or diverse sexual preferences from what is already an anthropology of gender, which is extremely dangerous because it eliminates differences, and that erases humanity, the richness of humanity, both personal, cultural, and social, the diversities and the tensions between differences.”
The pope noted that he always distinguishes “between what pastoral care is for people who have a different sexual orientation and what gender ideology is.”
“They are two different things,” he added....
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Brain differences are the chief thing. Plumbing just adds a reason to be interested.
Some of the stuff out there is enough to Make the pope Catholic again.
Genderfication is a process of class-disordered ideologies.
Sex is male and female. Gender is sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation): masculine and feminine, respectively. Trans- refers to a state or process of divergence.
Francis's quote wanders about, bumping into bits of truth here and there. Papal rhetoric has an elliptical quality, always wishing to sound caring and wise, never willing to speak forthrightly and to confront the elephants in the room, like the very gay Vatican priesthood, and the absurd exclusion of married men and all women from the priesthood.
There's a difference between "who you are" and "who you spend all your time obsessing about being." I think the Pope looks at "who you are" as "who God made you to be," i.e. man or woman; and that he looks at "who you spend all your time obsessing about being" as exactly that: an artifice, a constructed identity that you impose (or have imposed on you), that distracts everyone from the real you.
Something like that. Maybe.
Men, women, and "our Posterity" are from Earth. Feminists are from Venus. Masculinists are from Mars. Social Progressives are from Uranus. #Genderfication #Colonization #WarOfTheWorlds
The pope is not Catholic. I could care less what this S. American Marxist has to say about issues that he himself has left the door wide open on.
He might perform mass, but it's obvious he secretly worships Antonio Gramsci, probably in some weirdly sexual and satanic subterranean crypt under the basilica.
It sure as shit isn't God.
Senators Machaela Cavanaugh and John Cavanaugh are brother and sister. Both of them went to Catholic grade schools and high schools in Omaha. I used to live on the same block as their parents. They have a pool in their backyard. Rich!
While raised and educated Catholic, they are two of the ringleaders who are filibustering every single legislative bill in Nebraska. Today and yesterday, Sen. M. Cavanaugh said the Let Them Grow Act, which would postpone sex changes to age 19, was "genocide." That's how stupid and crazy she is.
Sen. M. Cavanaugh has a trans son and "her journey" started at age 17.
I consider that Catholic education in Omaha has failed if these two liberals state senators are the product. The real fault, however, lies with today's Dem party.
I was a liberal at my Jesuit high school, but since I was taught how to think I switched parties decades ago.
I'm glad the Dems in Nebraska have chosen this trans stuff as one of the two hills they want to die on. Much preferred than the abortion hill alone.
Objecting to protecting kids and insisting that it is "genocide" shows how truly whacked out these Dems are. Even in MN, a large majority of all people are against allowing minors to change sexes.
It is now obvious to any clear-thinking person: Today's Dems are simply insane. And I don't say that lightly. Who in their right mind would be in favor of gender mutilation of children?
I can only imagine the hate and regret this child will have for his mother when she figures out that she should have waited a few years before having her breasts whacked off.
The effort by the the globalists is to eliminate the individual.
That means empowerment of a class of mediocre HR mandarins to run around and shake people.
Stopped clock is right twice a day...
Every enduring religion and ideology has a "be fruitful and multiply" instruction. The Shakers were celibate and died off, but left us with some nice furniture and a namesake style.
The left today shows what happens when those down-and-out in a political party (i.e., the Squad, zealous activists, alternative sexual identities) are expressly given the steering wheel. They are not now and never were the majority in the Party, but all in the Party are absolutely and blindly deferential. This will continue until push comes to shove, as all left-wing movements end when some want to stop changing and when they start eating each other. Blind unity lasts 10 years at most.
Beyond Francis, the Catholics are masters of nuance and political adjustments of religious rules. If he's firm about gender there will be many people who follow him.
It's dangerous, because the left is FORCING you to believe the so called "science". DNA doesn't lie.
When I see ‘Pope’ I think of my inner Meade-brain. That is, I think of my brain that notices re ‘WaPo Op-Ed’: there is a ‘PoOp’ in there. Likewise the meat of this post makes me notice that Pope is like poop.
Anywho, I got nothing useful to add here. The Pope is dunking on trans folks and other such freaks (re traditional thinkin’) = the Pope is Catholic. Who is surprised?
BTW, I deserve to be deleted, this time. Unlike almost all of my other deleted comments.
IMHO.
Vive la difference!
Achilles said...
The effort by the the globalists is to eliminate the individual.
That means empowerment of a class of mediocre HR mandarins to run around and shake people.
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What the hell does this have to do with the post about the Pope? You are one sorry sick puppy.
the administrators propagate this chimera thinking, the Word is very clear, there is a Man and Woman, no other category,
I don't speak foreign languages. I wonder how good my English is because until recently I thought gender was used to describe words, and was picked up by RBG's secretary 5 decades ago as a euphemism for sex in her briefs. Do Spanish and Italian make the distinction that seems to have developed recently in English between gender and sex? What words does Francis use when he speaks in those languages? I had never heard him speak of ideological colonization, and it seems awkward phraseology, but I definitely see where he's coming from.
OT, but a pet peeve: "RideSpaceMountain said...
The pope is not Catholic. I could care less..."
If you could care LESS, then you care. You could have a lesser amount of care. I could NOT care less, means you don't care at all. As for the Pope, I'm old enough to remember when the phrase "is the Pope Catholic?" was considered rhetorical. Now, it's an open debate.
As has been said here before…Lighten up, Francis.
Well it sure isn’t Pope JPII quality theology on the topic of human sexuality, but we’ll take what we can get from this pope.
The social credit scoring system, if it ever comes into full dystopian effect, will depend on an unanimity of thought and speech as previewed via ChatGPT.
What happens if you are bold enough to deviate from accepted speech?
The tools of control are in place. See what happens to Chinese people who get out of line.
Cath a listen to "America this Week" Episode 28 (March 3) with Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn.
"Perhaps the Pope means to exclude the concept of gender and rely solely on sex difference — male and female."
"Gender" is a property of words. It is present in some languages, not in others. The term was culturally appropriated by some collection of educated freaks, probably sociologists, to refer to the cultural practices associated with sex. Having been thus abstracted, it could be discussed independently. But it is quite bizarre, that it has now twisted around to the point where humans are paying to have their sexual organs mutilated so as to better align with a "socially constructed" fiction. Realize, the thinking here is that ones relation to an idea that did not exist a century ago is more important than the basis of human reproduction. This is like deciding you were born to eat with your asshole and shit with your mouth.
I suppose there is probably some idiot at Harvard Medical School with a grant from NIH to figure out how to make that possible. Reverse peristaltic identity affirmation.
I guess I'd ask why a follower of Gramsci hasn't followed his buddies into zany leftism. Probably it has something to do with being Hispanic. This Pope was born and raised in Buenos Aires and was a bouncer before he was a Jesuit. If you get away from economic issues, then the South American Catholic re-emerges.
I couldn't figure out exactly what he was saying. I remember when the Church forbade the use of birth control pills because they interfered with the natural rhythm of women's cycles. The Church spelled out its objections in pretty clear language, Puberty blockers and various surgeries also seem to run contrary to Natural Law but the language here is far less forthright.
The fight against "disinformation, misinformation and malinformation" are attempts to get people to think act and speak a certain approved way.
The young used to instinctively revel against these types of notions. But today, it is the young spearheading the implementation of centralized control.
"Cinderella, she seems so easy
“It takes one to know one,” she smiles
And puts her hands in her back pockets
Bette Davis style"
If you must label a basic biological truth ideology, then yes, the pope is denouncing and endorsing gender ideology.
lonejustice popping in as The Ad Hoc Blog Monitor when LLR-democratical Chuck is indisposed.
I think all self-appointed blog monitors should be outfitted with spiffy armbands and high pitched whistles.
We should poll the Althouse commentariat as to the appropriate logos and color palette.
they should be mad at hippies
I agree with Ampersand about “elliptical quality” of the pope’s statement. But for me, the essential part is that whatever you want to call the modern discussion of sex and gender, that discussion blurs the " differences and the value of men and women. All humanity is the tension of differences. It is to grow through the tension of differences."
Dave Begley said..
Objecting to protecting kids and insisting that it is "genocide" shows how truly whacked out these Dems
I was listening to the latest Witch Trials (JK Rawling) podcast..
a girl (?) on there said, that because of JK's tweets... "Numerous trans people have died"
because of
because of JK's tweets. This is what passes for actual thought* on the left now.
actual thought* well, unlike Igna; i Don't Know their actual thoughts, but it WAS their actual words
" How could there be transgender people if there weren't different genders?"
I think the above statement is logically true, by the contra positive, If there were different genders, there could be people who change, assuming possibility.
There was an SF short in the 50's of a time when boy/girl shifts wee easy and a lot of discussion was made of whether girls or boys got more out of sex. The girls did, on consensus, of course. But at that time no one knew about clits, they were a dark secret only known to Lotharios.
"There's a difference between "who you are" and "who you spend all your time obsessing about being."
The two should converge, but in the case of politicians, they don't.
Jupiter @ 5:47: “… Reverse peristaltic identity affirmation.”
Threadwinner.
The same conflation was undertaken by masculinists, first, feminists, second, of baby and the fetal technical term of art, in order to rationalize "burden" relief, the wicked solution, human rites performed for social progress and other causes. Today, the trans/homosexuals socially distance themselves in banner and rhetoric (still albinophobic) from their less politically congruent spectral mates. Mate is gender-neutral, an apt pronoun for both the masculine and feminine binary division, and the transgender spectrum. Check and mate.
It's basic anthropology.
The gender roles are the basis of family.
The family (and for non westerners, this means the extended family) is the basic unit of society. It is the social umbrella that allows people to survive in times of trouble.
Destroying these ties is seen by Africans and Asians as cultural imperialism, that destroys the local culture at a time when the government is not rich enough to supply a social safety net.
This is not just a Catholic idea: it is found in Islam, Confucian philosophy, and is strong in African cultures.
Listening to a celibate lecture on gender is like enduring a sloth pontificate about carburetors.
Catholicism is about as relevant to American life as Zoroastrianism is to the Zulus,
Will these weirdos ever leave us alone?
Family, extended family, clan, tribe--these were primary for tens of thousands of years, and only recently (or not at all) replaced by ideologies of faith and state--which in turn have spawned a riot of demented groupuscules contending for priority.
Countries and systems can only afford so much nonsense, and we're way overdrawn. Other people may well decide not to follow our lead.
lonejustice said...
Achilles said...
The effort by the the globalists is to eliminate the individual.
That means empowerment of a class of mediocre HR mandarins to run around and shake people.
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What the hell does this have to do with the post about the Pope? You are one sorry sick puppy.
At some point it just has to be pointed out.
You are really just not very smart.
Your inability to deal with the root problems is not interesting to me.
If there's anythings that's become evident over the last week is that Althouse is a university progressive.
"I question whether this is the best translation"
Oh really? How is your Spanish?
Will these weirdos ever leave us alone?
3/15/23, 7:49 PM
I would say the same about the woke left wing.
I think much of this transgender contagion among the young is being propelled by another mental illness contagion, Munchausen by Proxy. The mothers want to feel special. Therefore, transgender story hours, pride parades, groups to join, and attention. The kids are also into it for the power and attention because they've been drilled to believe that the only good thing to be is an oppressed minority.
It's easier than studying math.
Adolescence should be banal and rigorous. Enough stuff happening already.
I am umable to understand use of the word colonization in this context >> so I just ignore this man's words
Trust nothing that this commie says. I mean Poop Francis, but if you assumed I meant Althouse, well ... okay.
The commie usurper anti-pope is right less than Bill Maher
n.n. said...Sex is male and female. Gender is sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation)
Oh...so it's just semantics. Cool. I was worried they were cutting breasts and penises off kids and giving them puberty blockers.
But semantics schmantics. The other day we were arguing about McCarthy slow releasing Jan 6th "tapes" when it's really digital "footage".
Achilles said...That means empowerment of a class of mediocre HR mandarins to run around and shake people.
HR people are a pain in the ass. They all think they're mini lawyers. Not interested in helping people...they want to control them and stick their unqualified noses in everyone else department who has to answer for output.
One guy I worked with insisted his title be "Vice-President of Human Capitol".
From the interview:
"-¿Es verdad que le habían pedido escribir un documento sobre el tema del género?
-No, ninguno me pidió un documento. Sí aclaraciones. Yo siempre distingo lo que es la pastoral con las personas que tienen orientación sexual diversa de lo que es la ideología de género. Son dos cosas distintas. La ideología de género, en este momento, es de las colonizaciones ideológicas más peligrosas. Va más allá de lo sexual. ¿Por qué es peligrosa? Porque diluye las diferencias, y lo rico de los hombres y de las mujeres y de toda la humanidad es la tensión de las diferencias. Es crecer a través de la tensión de las diferencias. La cuestión del género va diluyendo las diferencias y haciendo un mundo igual, todo romo, todo igual. Y eso va contra la vocación humana."
I am watching the female strongholds, built by women fighting on behalf of all women for decades, being degraded by gender ideology.
Women's colleges, women's sports, and more.
If gender is fluid and self-identity is more important than biological reality, then there are no men and women by definition. Everyone is simply what they call themselves.
And therefore there are no more women's rights, institutions, or groups.
I won't say it's the worst ideology today, but it is terrifying in the speed at which it became mainstream.
Lem 3:58 bingo LOL
Just to make the insanity we’re up against crystal clear a Florida Democrat yesterday accused Republicans of “coming after our trans babies.” They can’t leave kids alone. The Democrats are all in with gender madness.
Perhaps someday the gender ideology colonizers will be forced to pay reparations. Gender cultural appropriationists will also be frowned upon.
From William Butler Yeats
Substitute Nature for you God if you must, and I think this is spot and descriptive of the current woke movement.
The Four Ages of Man
He with body waged a fight,
But body won; it walks upright.
Then he struggled with the heart;
Innocence and peace depart.
Then he struggled with the mind;
His proud heart he left behind.
Now his wars on God begin;
At stroke of midnight God shall win.
Source: https://www.unp.me/threads/at-stroke-of-midnight-god-shall-win.169350/
So you have a male body, physically male from conception, but you identify as a woman. You say, "I'm a woman, not a man. I just want to change my body to match what I truly am."
Okay, fine. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just trying to understand.
What part of you is female? What part of a trans woman is female (or vice versa)? That's what I wonder. What part of you is separate from the body, the male body, separate from the biological system, separate from the functioning and interaction of all those cells?
Is it the soul? Does gender ideology in effect argue that there is a human soul?
And I don't see people today diluting gender difference. There seems to be a heightening of gender difference. How could there be transgender people if there weren't different genders?
Perhaps the Pope means to exclude the concept of gender and rely solely on sex difference — male and female. You're one or the other, and beyond that, we're all individuals.
When I was growing up, I was taught that "real women" and "real men" could do anything. Which is to say you could be a "real woman" even if you didn't like wearing dresses, or makeup, or "acting feminine". You could be a "real man" even if you were soft and caring and compassionate.
But according to gender ideology, if your'e not perfectly stereotypically "feminine", then you're not a real "woman", you're "non-binary" or a "trans-man"
So in that sense gender ideology demands a "heightening of gender difference". I'm kind of surprised that a 60s feminist like you Prof Althouse would be in favor of an ideology that tells you there's only one correct way to be a "woman", and anyone who doesn't adhere to that one true way is "not a real woman"
But yes, Pope Francis is correct. What gender ideology is about is wiping out the actual sex differences. Because like all marxist thought, it's about denying reality, and forcing others to deny reality, for the sheer power kick the ruling thugs get from forcing others to bow down to them, no matter what it is they're bowing down about
It's interesting that the Pope expresses his opposition to trans ideology in terms of diversity and anti-colonialism, so that respect for the two genders becomes appreciation of the variety of creation, rather than a denial of it. The One, True, Universal Church wasn't big on diversity in past centuries. There may be something to be said for the Church's greater tolerance of variety, and for the linking of the traditional concept of gender to diversity. Transgenderism also looks like the latest and most outrageous idea that the West is pressuring the rest of the world to accept.
There was an SF short in the 50's of a time when boy/girl shifts were easy and a lot of discussion was made of whether girls or boys got more out of sex.
Science fiction has made a lot out of gender switching and gender multiplicity (Ursula K. LeGuin, The Left Hand of Darkness, etc.). Someone could get an interesting thesis out of the relationship between transgender SF and feminism (or somebody probably already has). Speculative fiction can be an underground channel for new ideologies that are developing or for ideologies that are out of favor at the time.
More and more often, the establishment (US, Canada, Europe) is ruling that christian values and beliefs are not acceptable in "today's society"--mainly prohibition against gay marriage and opposition to abortion. The US gov is failing to investigate the dozens of attacks on churches and pro-life pregnancy centers (can't solve because happened at night, I believe is the excuse). Giving up on your religious beliefs is NOT the solution--churches that adopt woke ideology lose members. Getting a backbone would be a better solution.
n.n. said...Sex is male and female. Gender is sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation)
So sex is reality, gender is stereotyping
And the Left demands that we go with the bigotry of stereotyping
Lem, favorite moment:
"You're crazy, bro."
😂
Science fiction has made a lot out of gender switching and gender multiplicity (Ursula K. LeGuin, The Left Hand of Darkness, etc.). Someone could get an interesting thesis out of the relationship between transgender SF and feminism (or somebody probably already has).
The thesis should also examine the futa (or futanari) genre in pornography.
But semantics schmantics. The other day we were arguing about McCarthy slow releasing Jan 6th "tapes" when it's really digital "footage".
Footage is just as outdated as tapes. It's digital files now.
I remember when biological sex was unchangeable, but an unwanted sexual orientation could be “treated”. Now it’s the other way around. Progress!
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